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: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce November 11, 2010, 05:31:20 PM
Yeah, so too much TCG discussion going on in the weeaboo thread.  I figured I'd make a thread just for anything card game related.

I'll start it off with Rumbling Spell Orchestra (http://www.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Rumbling_Spell_Orchestra), the Touhou TCG I've been ranting about lately.  It's relatively new and pretty simple overall, but I've been having a lot of fun with it.  There is a kind of universal TCG netplay client (http://www.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Rumbling_Spell_Orchestra:_Netplay) used to play and the card text been fully translated.  Brand new 3.6 English update (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QNR6XNGY) (as of 11/11/10) can be applied to add in alternate card art and various errata fixes with card descriptions and such.  Anyone looking for games, PM me here or message me on AIM/MSN (profile).

So LivingShadow, I asked about that Ran card "Tactician's Nine Tails" right?  Well, one of the guys was unsure, saying it probably means you can look at their hand during Replenish/Preparation phases (though it's completely pointless to not see their hand during Battle phase when you see it before and after that phase, so I'd just end up playing always revealed), but the other guy said:
: Kojiro
I'm very sure its only useable the moment it is equipped. It woulda said "As long as this card is equipped you can..." instead. Or it woulda used the word "While" instead of "When".
Which made me  :V :V :V  
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: Kronic November 11, 2010, 05:36:39 PM
Sadly, I've never found a card game I've been able to get into, they've just not managed to hold my attention all that well.

RSO seems intriguing though, and it would be the first time I'd tried one where I actually had some clue as to the background fluff. I do believe I shall have to try this out. :)
Thanks for the find.
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: LoliSauce November 11, 2010, 05:45:10 PM
LivingShadow, apparently that fucking huge English download with all the scans is completely unrelated to netplaying.   :psyduck:  All you need are the RSO Lackey and the 3.6 update.  lol, I feel dumb.

Sadly, I've never found a card game I've been able to get into, they've just not managed to hold my attention all that well.

RSO seems intriguing though, and it would be the first time I'd tried one where I actually had some clue as to the background fluff. I do believe I shall have to try this out. :)
Thanks for the find.
Yeah, I tend to lose interest in this kind of thing quickly too, but it's whatever.  I'm a Touhoufag so I have a little more motivation to play this one in particular.  Let me know if you wanna play and I'll run you through some games.  *thumbs up*
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: Kronic November 11, 2010, 05:47:15 PM
Sure, not tonight though, as it's just slipping towards 0300.
I'll have a gander through the cards and such tomorrow and see what I can manage by the evening. My lurkery is immense, so I can guarantee I'll be around at some point. :)
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: MasterT November 11, 2010, 06:57:34 PM
WoW had a really fun TCG but since any card game not called magic or yugioh dies instantly it uh... died.

Now they just put out overpriced packs that are funded entirely by retards who buy them just for loot cards.
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: LivingShadow November 11, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
So LivingShadow, I asked about that Ran card "Tactician's Nine Tails" right?  Well, one of the guys was unsure, saying it probably means you can look at their hand during Replenish/Preparation phases (though it's completely pointless to not see their hand during Battle phase when you see it before and after that phase, so I'd just end up playing always revealed), but the other guy said:
: Kojiro
I'm very sure its only useable the moment it is equipped. It woulda said "As long as this card is equipped you can..." instead. Or it woulda used the word "While" instead of "When".
Which made me  :V :V :V  

But then why is it labeled Replenish/Preparation? Wouldn't it be just Preparation in that case? It's also listed as a passive ability.

I'm fine with playing with that ruling from now on though. That was more or less a fun deck anyway. Probably going to use Kaguya/Yuyuko more.


As for other TCGs I play:
Yu-Gi-Oh: Not much as of late, but I still carry my Volcanic deck around should I get the urge to beat someone down. I haven't bought a pack in years.
MtG:FNM for the most part, usually black and/or blue decks.
UFS:Mostly dead, I still know a couple people who play.
And now apparently RSO  :mystery:

And required response to the thread title:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuTjCRdYXw
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: LoliSauce November 11, 2010, 11:59:14 PM
So LivingShadow, I asked about that Ran card "Tactician's Nine Tails" right?  Well, one of the guys was unsure, saying it probably means you can look at their hand during Replenish/Preparation phases (though it's completely pointless to not see their hand during Battle phase when you see it before and after that phase, so I'd just end up playing always revealed), but the other guy said:
: Kojiro
I'm very sure its only useable the moment it is equipped. It woulda said "As long as this card is equipped you can..." instead. Or it woulda used the word "While" instead of "When".
Which made me  :V :V :V  

But then why is it labeled Replenish/Preparation? Wouldn't it be just Preparation in that case? It's also listed as a passive ability.

I'm fine with playing with that ruling from now on though. That was more or less a fun deck anyway. Probably going to use Kaguya/Yuyuko more.
I'd guess that Replenish and Preparation had to be listed because you can use events or abilities to potentially put it into play during Replenish phase, and in that case you would miss out on the ability?  You did that with Kaguya's scene support numerous times.
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: LivingShadow November 12, 2010, 04:26:18 AM
Makes sense.
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: LoliSauce November 12, 2010, 05:06:16 PM
Holy fuck, my friend just raped my ass with a 4 Meirin super buff deck.  He had a really good start, but it was really scary.  There's this spellcard that allows him to essentially equip as many spell supports (even of the same name) to it as he wants, and for each one it gains Foc/Unfoc Movement +1 stacked on.  He killed me in two attacks.  It was pretty gross, the sheer amount of shit that she has to amass spell supports quickly.  Funny thing is, since I was playing my 4 Remi with mad evasion events, I managed to last over 20 turns before he hit me once.  lol.  Still lost though, I only got 5 spell draws that whole match.  D;
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: Press November 12, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
Anyone mind teaching me this? I've got the client + built random deck, but I'm not sure on how the rules work for this game
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: LoliSauce November 13, 2010, 02:33:59 AM
Anyone mind teaching me this? I've got the client + built random deck, but I'm not sure on how the rules work for this game
Added you on msn, you should be able to tell it's me by the mail.  Next time you see me on, IM me and we'll play.  You'll be able to get the hang of it within a game or two, easy.  

This extends to anyone.  You wanna play, gimme a shout if I'm online and I'll probably be free to play.
AIM- "Tim oniisan"
MSN- "lolisauce@hotmail.com"


Also, you guys talking about silly MtG stuff in the weeaboo thread (like that TM set), just port convo over.  MasterT, regale me with your tales of card game poverty.  lol
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: Kronic November 13, 2010, 05:42:06 AM
Thanks for the offer, LoliSauce; be free much of Monday? Got training at weekends, which is rather a bind.
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: Alfonse November 13, 2010, 06:09:55 AM
WoW had a really fun TCG but since any card game not called magic or yugioh dies instantly it uh... died.

Now they just put out overpriced packs that are funded entirely by retards who buy them just for loot cards.

Bushiroad would like to have a word with you.
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: abitofBaileys November 13, 2010, 06:28:19 AM
So. Anyone got any TM cards for Lycèe? Because I have some and still want to build my personal TM favourite character deck. This does not include Shinji or that idiot Keita.

Interested mainly in Lancer, Assassin, more Kohakus & Hisuis.
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: Exciel November 13, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
Touhou TCG looks fun. I won't know what I'm really doing but I'll install and give it a shot. :toot:
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: Press November 13, 2010, 11:38:36 AM
Anyone mind teaching me this? I've got the client + built random deck, but I'm not sure on how the rules work for this game
Added you on msn, you should be able to tell it's me by the mail.  Next time you see me on, IM me and we'll play.  You'll be able to get the hang of it within a game or two, easy. 

This extends to anyone.  You wanna play, gimme a shout if I'm online and I'll probably be free to play.
AIM- "Tim oniisan"
MSN- "lolisauce@hotmail.com"


Also, you guys talking about silly MtG stuff in the weeaboo thread (like that TM set), just port convo over.  MasterT, regale me with your tales of card game poverty.  lol

Sounds good

Only real problem is that it's a bit hard to play when the you can't actually read what the card does from the picture lol
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: LoliSauce November 13, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
Thanks for the offer, LoliSauce; be free much of Monday? Got training at weekends, which is rather a bind.
Right now, I'm pretty much free all the time.  lol.  No job leaves me with more free time than I'd prefer.


Sounds good

Only real problem is that it's a bit hard to play when the you can't actually read what the card does from the picture lol
Inside Lackey, click the checkbox that says Text in the upper left (just under the card picture).  Now whenever you hover over a card it shows all of the information for it over the picture.  It's essential for playing.


Touhou TCG looks fun. I won't know what I'm really doing but I'll install and give it a shot. :toot:
Fuck yeah, more the merrier.  Maybe I should ask bell if I can get a TCG channel on irc for easier matchmaking, lol.
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: Kronic November 13, 2010, 03:09:46 PM
Right now, I'm pretty much free all the time.  lol.  No job leaves me with more free time than I'd prefer.

Know that feeling. Uni is barely maintaining my time as it is. :(

Fuck yeah, more the merrier.  Maybe I should ask bell if I can get a TCG channel on irc for easier matchmaking, lol.

Still need to get around to IRC. Last time I got hooked into one it became a sort of time:amusement converter.
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: LivingShadow November 13, 2010, 03:31:34 PM
I've never dropped by the normal IRC. I probably should at some point.
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: MasterT November 13, 2010, 03:46:55 PM
I don't really care much about touhou but if I have time it'd be nice to have a TCG I can play online and don't have to waste money on cards.

MasterT, regale me with your tales of card game poverty.  lol

When I'm bored enough to write an entire essay I'll try to explain how the cardcaptor tcg works. In vaguely related news a grown man came into the card shop my friend works at looking for his "staff" and almost started crying when he couldn't find it.
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: Exciel November 13, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
What I read

I don't really care much about touhou but if I have time it'd be nice to have a TCG I can play online and don't have to waste money on cards.

What I heard

tsun tsun, dere dere...! ////
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: LoliSauce November 13, 2010, 06:49:51 PM
When I'm bored enough to write an entire essay I'll try to explain how the cardcaptor tcg works. In vaguely related news a grown man came into the card shop my friend works at looking for his "staff" and almost started crying when he couldn't find it.
looooool, so much sadness.  I'll look forward to the ccs essay.

What I read

I don't really care much about touhou but if I have time it'd be nice to have a TCG I can play online and don't have to waste money on cards.

What I heard

tsun tsun, dere dere...! ////
Lol, so much +heat for this comment.


And don't trip on the IRC shit yet.  I'm only going to ask for that if this becomes popular enough to need a place where we can just go to get matches easy.  Also, holy shit Patchouli is more awesome than I initially realized.  Godlike defensive measures + slow building but seriously scary offensive.
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: LoliSauce November 14, 2010, 05:17:09 AM
Man, good shit on all the games yesterday Press.  That was a lot of fun, and I got to dick around with a lot of new decks I had been curious about.  Seriously though, I dunno how many of them I'm really gonna keep, so just make that Patch deck like you want to already.  lol.  I'm just experimenting with as many characters as I can, cuz it's fun to see what shit they can do.

Btw, would it be okay if I used that vent server for playing with other people who would like to voice chat?
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: LivingShadow November 14, 2010, 08:10:32 AM
I've been messing with a Youmu deck. We'll need to get some more testing matches in later.

Edit: Go fish on tanks.
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: Press November 14, 2010, 11:23:48 AM
Man, good shit on all the games yesterday Press.  That was a lot of fun, and I got to dick around with a lot of new decks I had been curious about.  Seriously though, I dunno how many of them I'm really gonna keep, so just make that Patch deck like you want to already.  lol.  I'm just experimenting with as many characters as I can, cuz it's fun to see what shit they can do.

Btw, would it be okay if I used that vent server for playing with other people who would like to voice chat?

Lol yea good games indeed. Still working on that secret tech xD

Feel free to use that vent server, I haven't seen the owner of that vent come on since like... august lol

EDIT: Someone play me, I must test new build
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: LoliSauce November 14, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
Damn, Youmu is beast.  Darcius is running a train on everyone with it right now.  Her strong defensive and high burst damage is pretty devastating.

Press:  I only managed to beat Darcius' Youmu deck with my 4 Remi.  I beat it twice over, and the second game was pretty even between us.  We both got a little spell screwed early game and but then got basically all our best shit out end game.  I barely pulled out the win both times.  It was pretty thrilling.  But holy fuck that he just dominated so many others (what like 4 different decks he beat down?).  It's super beast.
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: Kronic November 15, 2010, 01:25:47 AM
Well, got lectures till around 1500 today, and free from then onwards. Presuming I can assemble a deck, I should be free to learn to play tonight. I was never the best, so I thoroughly expect to get thrashed. :3

Gives me the opportunity to spot weaknesses and adapt however.
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: LoliSauce November 15, 2010, 04:15:58 AM
Well, got lectures till around 1500 today, and free from then onwards. Presuming I can assemble a deck, I should be free to learn to play tonight. I was never the best, so I thoroughly expect to get thrashed. :3

Gives me the opportunity to spot weaknesses and adapt however.
Ah, hopefully someone else can get games with you Kronic.  I think I'll be out for most of the week doing this small job for some extra food and gas money.  I'll probably only be around late-late nighttime here in GMT-8 time zone, so I don't think I'll actually catch you for games.  =\

Try to get in contact with Press or LivingShadow though.  They can walk you through the game and get you up to speed.
(Sorry Darcius, you're a damn good player, but you're too troll for me to recommend as a teacher, lol)
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: Kronic November 15, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
Ah, hopefully someone else can get games with you Kronic.  I think I'll be out for most of the week doing this small job for some extra food and gas money.  I'll probably only be around late-late nighttime here in GMT-8 time zone, so I don't think I'll actually catch you for games.  =\

No worries Loli, though I'll likely be around till 0200-0400 anyway, I don't sleep much.

Just got free, so I'm going to see what I can do with assembling a deck. :)

Darcius: I warn you I suck, but provided I can get an angle on a deck I like I'd be more than happy to learn. :3
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: Press November 15, 2010, 05:53:02 PM
Yea I'm usually free after around 8pm pacific on weekdays, so you can just hit me up if you want.
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: LoliSauce November 17, 2010, 12:28:26 AM
GAMES HAVE BEEN GETTING INTENSE! 

If you had any passing interest and haven't looked into it yet, get in on dis shit. 

I think over the rest of this week I'll probably run 3 Alice, 2 Youmu/2 Yuyu, and 3 Suika to see how well they actually play.  Alice I played that one time with you Press, but otherwise I haven't really had a chance to set it up vs multiple decks.  Also, I think your Sakuya mill is your most dangerous/awesome deck.  So much prevention and denial.  It can get pretty ridiculous.

I ended up beefing up Remi/Suika with +hit stuff too, so I can potentially get around evasion boosters now.  It's just SP management that I have somewhat of a problem with in that deck.  Not sure if I can really get around that or not, with the way I play it, but we'll see.  I may end up scrapping the remi scene (never get to play it with 6sp cost, when I'm aggroing so early) which would in turn require that I probably get rid of critical heart.  Losing that penetration kind of fucks me up against protection decks though, so I'm kind of split. 

Also, I KNEW WHAT HE DID (he's been doing shit like that for a little while now *shrug*).  I didn't know that you both knew though.  Akagi comment flew right over my head.
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: Press November 17, 2010, 08:37:33 AM
Actually, my Saku deck only SEEMS more dangerous because of it's sheer spell stopping abilities, but my double remi deck is still stronger. It always seems like I scrape wins with my double remi, but that's how it's supposed to be played, out damaging the other guy the entire game.

Also, I KNEW WHAT HE DID (he's been doing shit like that for a little while now *shrug*).  I didn't know that you both knew though.  Akagi comment flew right over my head.

LOL!
I thought you'd catch him, but I guess either you just didn't care or didn't notice.
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: LoliSauce November 17, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
Also, I KNEW WHAT HE DID (he's been doing shit like that for a little while now *shrug*).  I didn't know that you both knew though.  Akagi comment flew right over my head.

LOL!
I thought you'd catch him, but I guess either you just didn't care or didn't notice.
I realized because of the sudden appearance of 2-3 things that he needed badly (double AV decrease AND rokanken in one draw?  I think not).  I didn't really care because I figured I already had the match won.  Turns out I was right.  :V
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: Alfonse November 19, 2010, 09:23:59 PM
Do you even draw cards or mill cards from your deck in this game? The gameplay section mentioned nothing about drawing a card during the preparation phase, only playing with whatever you have in your initial hand of 6.
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: Press November 19, 2010, 11:53:43 PM
Do you even draw cards or mill cards from your deck in this game? The gameplay section mentioned nothing about drawing a card during the preparation phase, only playing with whatever you have in your initial hand of 6.

Yea, you draw a card at the start of every replenish (start of turn basically) and there are plenty of milling in this game. I personally run a mill deck and it works fine.
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: LoliSauce November 20, 2010, 04:52:15 AM
The first player does not draw a card on the first turn, but in every other case, one card is drawn at the beginning of the Replenish phase along with SP gains and any "start of phase/turn" special abilities. 

You getting interested Alfonse?
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: Alfonse November 20, 2010, 07:34:10 AM
The first player does not draw a card on the first turn, but in every other case, one card is drawn at the beginning of the Replenish phase along with SP gains and any "start of phase/turn" special abilities. 

You getting interested Alfonse?

A little bit, since I'm getting a little bored of Weiss Schwarz (http://www.ws-tcg.com) at the moment. I'm overwhelmed by the shitloads of cards available for me to choose from, though. Recommend me something based off Marisa.
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: LoliSauce November 20, 2010, 04:37:12 PM
Marisa is very much a fast starting, high aggro type of deck.  You might as well just go 4 Mari, choose around 18 or so spellcards to put in, and just throw in whatever else sounds good.  Once you've got a setup something like that, you should be okay to just start playing and see how you want to change stuff up after that game.
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: Sakota November 21, 2010, 03:47:41 AM
The first player does not draw a card on the first turn, but in every other case, one card is drawn at the beginning of the Replenish phase along with SP gains and any "start of phase/turn" special abilities. 

You getting interested Alfonse?

A little bit, since I'm getting a little bored of Weiss Schwarz (http://www.ws-tcg.com) at the moment. I'm overwhelmed by the shitloads of cards available for me to choose from, though. Recommend me something based off Marisa.

But WS just got Melty Blood cards...  :V
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: UNREAL BLACK THING November 21, 2010, 05:45:41 PM
Gawd this is gonna take forever for me to get into.
And.
No Cirno sets? WTF son?
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: LivingShadow November 21, 2010, 07:18:59 PM
Of course they didn't add Cirno, she'd break the game.
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: UNREAL BLACK THING November 22, 2010, 09:30:28 AM
Of course they didn't add Cirno, she'd break the game.

:D
Nah. Any card game could add a character with a high risk/high reward concept.
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: ToastCrust November 22, 2010, 07:08:03 PM
So I'm cobbling together Nitori 4

EDIT: Okay, I'm done a prototype now. I downloaded all the rules into my head during the day today too.

Who wants to do some games? I frequent the AIM and MSN linked on my profile. I can totally join a Hamachi or IRC or whatever too. Will be pretty free during most of Tuesday--I'm a PST.
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: LoliSauce November 23, 2010, 03:24:09 AM
Apparently, due to some problems with the Lackey program, it's gone through some crucial updates.  Updating the program is supposedly very simple as downloading the latest update (http://www.lackeyccg.com/), copying the exe file and replacing the current one with it.  I had a bit of a problem with it, but I'm going to double check myself for mistakes since the other mbread players updated without problem. 

Without the latest update, you will not be able to play online. 

Anyway, with that said I'll be adding you ToastCrust.  No need for any Hamachi or IRC shenanigans yet as the group's still small.  So far we've been able to set up matches pretty easily through just IMs.
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: LivingShadow November 23, 2010, 05:22:04 AM
I had no problems updating. I just had to update my sets because mine were off for some reason. :mystery:

Anyway, I've been trying to improve that 2 Ooku/2 Flandre deck. Apparently, if I can get Second Sun out I'm golden.
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: ToastCrust November 23, 2010, 09:33:01 AM
Cool, I'm up to date.
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: UNREAL BLACK THING November 23, 2010, 04:46:07 PM
I'll study up on the rules and get over Lackey's intimidating interface by Thursday. Deck'll be ready by Friday  :V
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: LivingShadow November 23, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
The interface isn't that bad, just click and drag.
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: UNREAL BLACK THING November 23, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
The interface isn't that bad, just click and drag.

Im sure its pretty simple, it just looks...
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: ToastCrust November 23, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
With some work, I think Nitori could be a half decent control deck....

So, reading the FAQ (http://www.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Rumbling_Spell_Orchestra:_FAQ#About_Supports), Scene cards are counted as being on both sides of the field and one of both players.

Does that mean Disassemble (http://www.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Rumbling_Spell_Orchestra:_Event_Cards#解体_(Disassemble)) would work on Scene supports?

Are there any other cards good for removing supports, that either has 1 character requirement or none?
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: LivingShadow November 23, 2010, 06:39:15 PM
Disassemble only works on your cards. Yes, it works on scenes but you have to be the one who played it.
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: LoliSauce November 23, 2010, 07:44:36 PM
A scene card in play (there can only be one in play total at any time) technically count as both players' card, but it is also not on either player's play field.  For example, Patchouli's character ability that prevents any enemy events or specials from targetting her does not prevent an opponent's scene card from targetting her, as it affect both players as if it was their own.  The fact that Disassemble says "one of your supports" rather than something more specific like "one support that meets your character requirements" or "one support on your field" makes it difficult to say which in particular it means. 

Depending on its full meaning, I think there's only three ways in which this could be used:
1. Any spell, leader, or scene support that you have played (meaning it has your character requirements).  This would cover things in play on both your field, your opponent's field, and outside the spiritual border (scenes).
2. Any support that is on your field, whether it was played by you or your opponent.  This would cover any spell or leader supports equipped to your field.
3. Any support that affects your as your own.  This would cover any spell or leader supports equipped to your field and the current scene in play.

I imagine that it is meant to represent the first example, since nitori has a lot of supports and a lot of ways to get supports going.
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: ToastCrust November 23, 2010, 11:30:42 PM
But aren't there non-character requirement supports you can include in your deck? I imagine part of the vague wording is so you can disassemble those too.

Trying to discern the tiny Japanese text, it goes something like "Jibun no something ni somethingsomething sareteiru SUPPORT1 something", so it's no doubt about 1 support in some sort of state somewhere that belongs to yourself.
Lackey's translation words it as "a support on your side".

But yeah, it made me curious, because in my game with Darcius the Disassembles were basically useless. There was never really a time when I'd actually want to break my own supports, nor did it ever feel like I could spare 4SP + support's SP req. to cycle two cards.

Still, maybe it's just because I'm inexperienced. For sure disassemble would just wreck decks dependent on say, obstructing you by placing supports on your leader/spells, etc, but how common is that?

So I dunno, I've been wracking my head to try and figure out what it is exactly that I should do to have it be useful.
Or are a character's own events generally not actually universally useful for her own designed win conditions?
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce November 24, 2010, 12:33:41 AM
Okay, if it's "A support on your side" then that means any support on your field of play.  Offhand I know of two characters that highly revolve around obstructing through negative spell supports (Komachi and Reisen), and a number of others that have a negative spell/leader support in their set.  There's probably more than just those, as well.  This card could eat those neg supports to draw.  It could also be used in tandem with Repair to discard your support to draw and then replay it.  Utilizing things like this, Nitori can cycle through her own deck very quickly (allowing you to get cards that you need faster).  These sorts of decks do that have a weakness to Sakuya's milling though, so be wary of Press's Sakuya deck.  lol



Oh, and btw I found out the weird deal with updating Lackey and losing your appearance, preferences, and active plugin.  Just follow these three simple steps, before or after swapping out the updated "LackeyCCG.exe" file:
1. Delete everything inside the "secure" folder in Lackey's directory.
2. Copy your "playerprofile.txt" from the root Lackey folder into the "secure" folder.
3. Download the attached "Preferences.txt" file and move it inside your "secure" folder.

Now, all of the previous settings should load up as they were.  For some reason the new Lackey updates only read the profile and preferences from the secure folder, rather than the root directory (as it did before).
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Dintrao November 24, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
+Heat for turning me on to the game, Loli. Been playing it today with a friend, and while some things are confusing it's a ton of fun :P
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: UNREAL BLACK THING November 24, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
lol I was going over the characters today, im trying to go for a troll/anti deck (even tho I shouldnt be cause I have no clue how the meta works here, if there even is one). It seems they did a good job of keeping the game balanced.

Im going through the characters, looking for someone with a high EV score.

*scrolls down*
Keine Kamishirasawa (EX)
...
...
...
Evasion Value: 4

Me: Oooo :)

*scrolls down more*
Special 1: At the beginning of the game, this character cannot be the Leader.

Me: ....fuck...


EDIT: OOOOOOH I get it now, I can use the normal Keine as a starter....SWEEET. LOL
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: ToastCrust November 24, 2010, 07:07:20 PM
Yeah. You set Keine in, wait for the condition to be fulfilled, then go Ex-Keine. Beat face, etc.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Kronic November 24, 2010, 07:17:36 PM
I officially suck due to procrastination. Don't suppose any of you kind people would be willing to throw me an add on MSN with the address in me profile and slap me around (i.e. remind me to play and show me the ropes) in...16 hours or so?

Would be much appreciated. If not, I'll do my damnedest to remember or get bleedin' started by the end of the day, but I know how bad my attention span is. >.>

Yours forgetfully, &c.

: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: UNREAL BLACK THING November 24, 2010, 07:19:29 PM
Yeah. You set Keine in, wait for the condition to be fulfilled, then go Ex-Keine. Beat face, etc.

Hell yea. Im actually having a hard time choosing my build.
Keine is nasty, Suika is a troll, Alice is a power whore (slowed by the doll requirement)...
 :prinny:
And then theres the Prismrivers, which Im really interested in even though I cant see them being all too effective.

I officially suck due to procrastination. Don't suppose any of you kind people would be willing to throw me an add on MSN with the address in me profile and slap me around (i.e. remind me to play and show me the ropes) in...16 hours or so?

Would be much appreciated. If not, I'll do my damnedest to remember or get bleedin' started by the end of the day, but I know how bad my attention span is. >.>

Yours forgetfully, &c.

Sure man, I have to learn too so we'll have plenty of time to own each other.
Once I get teh hang of it, ill find u.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow November 24, 2010, 07:28:11 PM
Kaguya is troll by definition. SP control is a huge pain early game. As it is she isn't doing bad teamed with Yuyuko, but she lacks lethal intent (aka, loses steam late game). Maybe I should switch to Kaguya/Marisa for maximum trolling.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: UNREAL BLACK THING November 24, 2010, 07:36:13 PM
Kaguya is troll by definition. SP control is a huge pain early game. As it is she isn't doing bad teamed with Yuyuko, but she lacks lethal intent (aka, loses steam late game). Maybe I should switch to Kaguya/Marisa for maximum trolling.

Kaguya huh?
Maybe I'll go with her. Suika/Kaguya...
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Press November 24, 2010, 07:38:20 PM
I'm usually free to play, just not lately as I've been a little busier studying. Regardless hit me up, I may be able to play
MSN: da_choco_master@hotmail.com
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow November 24, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
I don't know anything about Suika because I'm too lazy to look at her cards.

On an unrelated note, I'm trying to finish up that Magic set that Lolisauce started. I have Mana costs on all the cards with effects, I fixed the wording for a few of them, and ORT is now a 20/20 Trample, First Strike, Indestructable for 15 mana. Now all I really need to do is find pictures for about 3/4 of the cards.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: ToastCrust November 24, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
I officially suck due to procrastination. Don't suppose any of you kind people would be willing to throw me an add on MSN with the address in me profile and slap me around (i.e. remind me to play and show me the ropes) in...16 hours or so?

Would be much appreciated. If not, I'll do my damnedest to remember or get bleedin' started by the end of the day, but I know how bad my attention span is. >.>

Yours forgetfully, &c.


I should be free at 12pm PST tomorrow. Right up to 4pm, even. I could probably try to walk you through a bit, though I dunno how good of a player I am, really.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: .ShotS November 25, 2010, 12:29:33 AM
Boredom has finally set in(and I didn't see this thread lol). I'll play if someone is willing to put up with someone that doesn't know how to play it yet.

ORT is now a 20/20 Trample, First Strike, Indestructable for 15 mana.
Cause FUCK Emrakul.
Although this is actually slightly more balanced then Emrakul.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse November 25, 2010, 03:12:23 AM
The first player does not draw a card on the first turn, but in every other case, one card is drawn at the beginning of the Replenish phase along with SP gains and any "start of phase/turn" special abilities. 

You getting interested Alfonse?

A little bit, since I'm getting a little bored of Weiss Schwarz (http://www.ws-tcg.com) at the moment. I'm overwhelmed by the shitloads of cards available for me to choose from, though. Recommend me something based off Marisa.

But WS just got Melty Blood cards...  :V

Nah, my main series are Idolm@ster and Angel Beats!.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce November 25, 2010, 03:45:09 AM
Dintrao, Alfonse, and Dakidukno: Add me on dem IM services cuz yours aren't listed.  Or if you're lazy PM me your info and I'll add you guys.


On an unrelated note, I'm trying to finish up that Magic set that Lolisauce started. I have Mana costs on all the cards with effects, I fixed the wording for a few of them, and ORT is now a 20/20 Trample, First Strike, Indestructable for 15 mana. Now all I really need to do is find pictures for about 3/4 of the cards.
Delicious overpowered ORT.  I don't even remember how I had a lot of the shit set up in there.  Did you end up scrapping that shitty and hastily made Combo keyword?  Actually, I don't even remember if I did incorporate it properly or if I just kept getting hung up on how I wanted to make it in the first place.  I just remember a lot of the cool characters were pretty silly, like wLen, Altrouge, Satsujinki, Brunstud, Roa, etc.  You should send it back when you get everything but the pictures set up.  Also you should probably axe some of the dumb spells/instants that are totally unnecessary and put in more cool and appropriate stuff.  I ended up getting mad lazy and uninspired near the end of its creation.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Dintrao November 25, 2010, 05:52:38 AM
Huh, guess I forgot to put it in my profile. Updating that and sent you an invite  :V
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow November 25, 2010, 07:28:02 AM
On an unrelated note, I'm trying to finish up that Magic set that Lolisauce started. I have Mana costs on all the cards with effects, I fixed the wording for a few of them, and ORT is now a 20/20 Trample, First Strike, Indestructable for 15 mana. Now all I really need to do is find pictures for about 3/4 of the cards.
Delicious overpowered ORT.  I don't even remember how I had a lot of the shit set up in there.  Did you end up scrapping that shitty and hastily made Combo keyword?  Actually, I don't even remember if I did incorporate it properly or if I just kept getting hung up on how I wanted to make it in the first place.  I just remember a lot of the cool characters were pretty silly, like wLen, Altrouge, Satsujinki, Brunstud, Roa, etc.  You should send it back when you get everything but the pictures set up.  Also you should probably axe some of the dumb spells/instants that are totally unnecessary and put in more cool and appropriate stuff.  I ended up getting mad lazy and uninspired near the end of its creation.

Combo was never used IIRC and I left most of the pointless cards in (reanimate is going to stay in the finished set). I changed Wara a bit to make Tatari a mono-black deck and I'm also debating making certain cards legendary.

I have to ask, what in the world were you thinking giving all the land-walks to the Chaos deck. That's the first thing I fixed.

Once I finish with this I'm going to use them to challenge a friend of mine. He found some F/SN cards and is planning on building something.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: ToastCrust November 25, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
Adding all the new people.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: UNREAL BLACK THING November 25, 2010, 02:16:16 PM
Boredom has finally set in(and I didn't see this thread lol). I'll play if someone is willing to put up with someone that doesn't know how to play it yet.

Thats just about...everybody here...

Does everybody here use MSN? Damn >.>
I have so many IM clients...Xfire, Skype, IRC....
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Dintrao November 25, 2010, 02:34:10 PM
Boredom has finally set in(and I didn't see this thread lol). I'll play if someone is willing to put up with someone that doesn't know how to play it yet.

Thats just about...everybody here...

Does everybody here use MSN? Damn >.>
I have so many IM clients...Xfire, Skype, IRC....


Never tried Skype and the IRC always crashes on me, thats why I'm never on it. Though yea, MSN is the most convenient for me personally (not that anyone would want to add me or anything lol)

Oh, and I used Xfire for a long time until people started spamming me, no more.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow November 25, 2010, 03:21:25 PM
I only have AIM.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alchemist of Atlas November 25, 2010, 04:50:33 PM
Pretty much, the only card game that has caught my attention has been Yu-Gi-Oh TCG.

When going to the center, I always carry my Alien Deck (no love for Aliens. D: ).

And when playing with foreign people, well, I just use YVD. I'm kinda an active member of the YGO community.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse November 26, 2010, 06:02:21 AM
LackeyCCG has another update again (11/24), grab it while its hot.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow November 26, 2010, 06:16:23 AM
Here's the current (incomplete) set:

http://www.mediafire.com/?6sp9422vi625id6

Any art suggestions are welcome.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse December 03, 2010, 05:16:49 PM
I have a Suika/Prismriver support that allows me to activate a spell for free at the end of my prep phase. Do Scene supports affect both players, or only the player playing it? If so, can my opponent use the effect to activate a spell for free? And when I use that effect with Suika as leader, do I have to pay the extra cost?
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce December 03, 2010, 06:56:13 PM
I have a Suika/Prismriver support that allows me to activate a spell for free at the end of my prep phase. Do Scene supports affect both players, or only the player playing it? If so, can my opponent use the effect to activate a spell for free? And when I use that effect with Suika as leader, do I have to pay the extra cost?
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Scene cards are in the border between each player's field, and as such, they treat both players as the owner.  You will get to activate two cards during your Prep, then they will get to activate two cards during their Prep.  I bet that it says [Preparation/attack] though, which means you can ONLY activate the extra spell during your Prep phase.  Since you are activating a spell with Suika, regardless of the original activation cost, you will always have to pay the extra cost of 2 deck cards.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: abitofBaileys December 04, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Speaking of card games, I just bought this:

(http://sharkrobot.com/images/large/yugioh_greenhair_hoodie_LRG.jpg)

CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO ARRIVE X_X
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: UNREAL BLACK THING December 04, 2010, 05:50:32 PM
Speaking of card games, I just bought this:

(http://sharkrobot.com/images/large/yugioh_greenhair_hoodie_LRG.jpg)

CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO ARRIVE X_X

D:
I am jellyous. I wish they had the "Screw the rules, I have money." hoodie, id go for that in a heartbeat.
But then Id be lying everytime I put it on.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: ShinMasaki December 04, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/725968/absurdres-alice_margatroid-angry-cards-closed_eyes

because it seems incredibly fitting for this conversation
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: abitofBaileys December 05, 2010, 02:59:03 AM
NIHONGO SHABERU DESU KA HAI?
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow December 05, 2010, 03:15:10 PM
I just reminded myself of Weiß Survive. 2.5 min episodes FTW.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: abitofBaileys December 05, 2010, 03:43:12 PM
I just reminded myself of Weiß Survive. 5 min episodes FTW.
I heard someone say Hetalia Axis Power.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse December 09, 2010, 06:20:14 AM
Aya Godspeed build failed badly against a full-strength Yukari, Chen and Ran build. One of her 3 SP 3 HV spell can be buffed to 6 AV, 3 IV and 7 HV just by having Chen (+1), Ran (+1), and a Shikigami support (+2). My burnt my hand trying to keep up with the burn and I'm pretty much dead when my hand's empty. My best spells are concentrate, and having Unfocused Movement on that spell is not fun.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: UNREAL BLACK THING December 09, 2010, 09:10:23 AM
Who mills? By this I mean, what leaders allow u to mill?
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow December 09, 2010, 09:13:12 AM
Sakuya mostly.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse December 09, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
Who mills? By this I mean, what leaders allow u to mill?

Suika. You mill your deck every time you want to activate a spell. The number of cards you mill is determined by the level requirement of the spell you wish to activate.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce December 09, 2010, 04:15:35 PM
Sakuya is the only character that allows you to mill the other player to death.  Characters like Suika and Rin allow you to mill yourself for various positive effects.

Al, try fooling around with other decks then.  Aya is pretty good, in that you can hit the enemy and they can't hit you.  This allows you to deal damage, get bonus damage for not being hit, and then they have to reactivate their beefy spell again later (giving you an SP lead since your spell stays out).  However, she has to be able to outlast the opponent (her damage isn't very high), and against some decks it'd be difficult to do that.  Kind of a trade off. 

You could try instead playing Flan or Remi, who have much higher damage output and both still have a number of ways to easily evade spells.  Flan especially would RAPE a yakumo clan deck, as one of her cards allows you to simultaneously burn the opponent for a lot and force them to sac a support on their field.  It's very advantageous against anyone who relies on supports heavily (Alice, Prismrivers, Yakumo clan, etc).
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: MagnusXL December 09, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
I'm able to sign in for the first time in months and the first thing I see is Loli heralding a Touhou cardgame I've never heard of.

...sign me up.

I was big in MTG for the longest time (and still kind of am), but it'd be nice to play a different TCG for a change of pace.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse December 09, 2010, 06:25:47 PM
I'm able to sign in for the first time in months and the first thing I see is Loli heralding a Touhou cardgame I've never heard of.

...sign me up.

I was big in MTG for the longest time (and still kind of am), but it'd be nice to play a different TCG for a change of pace.

Welcome to the club.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow December 09, 2010, 11:04:47 PM
I'm still rather into MTG myself. I currently have 2-3 standard decks built. (Suicide black, some weird mono-blue proliferate deck, and white/blue stall/troll)
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: .ShotS December 09, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
I'm still rather into MTG myself. I currently have 2-3 standard decks built. (Suicide black, some weird mono-blue proliferate deck, and white/blue stall/troll)
I used to play standard but now it's either you have 4 jts or 4 green titans or you can't play competitively. Then once they rotate they are worth nothing. That's why I play legacy and edh now. :toot:

Also props for running suicide black. My legacy deck is a pseudo suicide black deck.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LivingShadow December 10, 2010, 05:52:39 AM
I'm still rather into MTG myself. I currently have 2-3 standard decks built. (Suicide black, some weird mono-blue proliferate deck, and white/blue stall/troll)
I used to play standard but now it's either you have 4 jts or 4 green titans or you can't play competitively. Then once they rotate they are worth nothing. That's why I play legacy and edh now. :toot:

Also props for running suicide black. My legacy deck is a pseudo suicide black deck.

Believe it or not, you don't have to run the expensive cards to stand a chance. The proliferate deck was relatively cheap (about 75% commons) and so far it's been doing rather reliably against everything except white/blue/black control (which it's just decent against, Jace is a pain). Don't be intimidated by them, they may be strong but they can be taken out.

The Suicide black deck is rather fun. Cheap creatures + sac engines + Demon of Death's Gate (which I have pulled out turn 2) Although, my favorite card in the deck is Flesh Allergy, if only black had a way to copy spells. It's also around 50% kill-spells (some of the creatures double as kill-spells).
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: ToastCrust December 10, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
lol Jace

I hear he's worth his weight in gold.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce January 07, 2011, 05:40:39 AM
Posting here to publicly remind myself of the Eng translation site for San Guo Sha (三国杀). (http://sanguoshaenglish.blogspot.com/2010/07/game-rules-part-1-game-set-up.html)

Al, I dunno if I'll actually start playing because the online client is completely in Chinese (which means I'll have to have myself and all my friends constantly with the reference blog up) but my interest is still piqued.  Maybe I can print off translated versions of the cards for a local event.  The potential for getting 10 people together for this is really getting me pumped, you know?  So much delicious mindgames!

Any of you other guys heard of this game?
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse January 07, 2011, 06:00:35 AM
I'm doubtful this game is even remotely known outside of Asia. It shares a slightly stained reputation for having a similar concept with Bang! (another similar card game), but since the setting is in the Three Kingdoms era, it gives way more room for imagination and new ideas as opposed to Bang!'s wild west setting.

The web version (http://web.sanguosha.com/) is fun no doubt, but the real fun is when you're playing it in real life. Online doesn't even come close. Reading moves, acting, mind games, deception, betrayal and alliances, it can only be experienced when playing it with real people.

EDIT: Like RSO, this game has a real, physical version other than it's online version, if you haven't already noticed. I own one myself, and I can tell you, this is the first time any card game has got me so piqued and hyped.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce January 09, 2011, 03:16:08 PM
Yeah, it seems like the game is only worth playing when you own a hard copy, which presents me with some difficulties.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: Alfonse January 10, 2011, 03:10:58 AM
Yeah, it seems like the game is only worth playing when you own a hard copy, which presents me with some difficulties.

http://sanguoshablogshop.blogspot.com/

Said guy owns a blogshop, so you can buy it off him if you wish.
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: UNREAL BLACK THING January 10, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
San Guo Sha looks interesting, but itll be difficult to get into as long as its not in my native tongue.
: Re: CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES
: LoliSauce January 10, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
Yeah, it seems like the game is only worth playing when you own a hard copy, which presents me with some difficulties.

http://sanguoshablogshop.blogspot.com/

Said guy owns a blogshop, so you can buy it off him if you wish.
50USD for the whole set including all legit expansions and "beta English translation cards" sounds not too bad.   I think I'll contact the guy in question about those translated cards and find out more info, but it probably wouldn't be too hard to get 10 different people interested enough to put in $5 each for it.  Thanks for pointing this out to me.

Edit:
Derp, it's 65 USD.  Well, that's probably a little more difficult, but I might be able to pull it off.  Depends on how the english translation of everything is implemented in the hard-copy purchase.

Edit2:
After discussing some specifics of the English set with Ricky, I'm definitely interested in purchasing it.  Now to begin the local hype-building and fund raising!