Touhou Hisotensoku

[Gen_Tobias]

seeing as it is a fighting game I'm surprised no one has made a thread yet especially when there is a touhou 12 thread.
anyways touhou hisoutensoku is a projectile based fighter but when players get more skilled they just dash through your projectiles and melee you to death with projectiles linked into the combo because melee attacks do much more damage than projectiles. still overall it is a fun game and thought I would start a thread.

[Alfonse]

You're wrong. We are aware of Scarlet Weather Rhapsody's expansion. But some people condemn SWR and prefer Immaterial and Missing Power for one reason or another, and discussion on either game is fairly scarce at least around here.

[Cecilia]

I really don't see how SWR is better than IaMP.

Sure, there's the built-in netplay and more characters and prettier graphics but IaMP is just... more fun. Most people don't think the same though so I don't really get to practice it much. Baw.

[mizuki]

This is a quality game. Quality as in the sense as Naruto anime animation.

[Alfonse]

I really don't see how SWR is better than IaMP.

Sure, there's the built-in netplay and more characters and prettier graphics but IaMP is just... more fun. Most people don't think the same though so I don't really get to practice it much. Baw.

I'm curious; how does SWR's new gameplay mechanics make the game less fun?

[LoliSauce]

Gen_Tobias, please do not direct link images from other sites.  You are raping their bandwidth.  Show some respect if you want to use their images.  Save them and upload them yourself to an image hosting site.

Because I'm feeling good tonight, I took the time to do this for you.  I expect you will not make the same mistake next time.   

[Cecilia]

I'm curious; how does SWR's new gameplay mechanics make the game less fun?

I can't really explain it well, especially since I haven't played either game for ages. From what I remember, SWR was a lot more complicated and slow-paced. I could not figure out the card deck system for the life of me. IaMP didn't have a lot in terms of single player, but every battle I had in it online was pretty exciting. Never really got that hyped when I tried SWR.

[Curbeh]

It is not the netplay.
SWR is fundamentally borked mechanic wise in terms of it being a fighting game, it is fine when thought of other wise in fact.

[LoliSauce]

Also, I forgot to mention, but I believe this video covers a lot of the important reasons why IaMP is generally preferred to serious fighting gamers over SWR.  I remember hearing a very accurate comparison of IaMP is to SWR as Melee is to Brawl.  Please keep that in mind as you watch the video and maybe you will understand the truth in these words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LNRcX6y9VE

[Alfonse]

Also, I forgot to mention, but I believe this video covers a lot of the important reasons why IaMP is generally preferred to serious fighting gamers over SWR.  I remember hearing a very accurate comparison of IaMP is to SWR as Melee is to Brawl.  Please keep that in mind as you watch the video and maybe you will understand the truth in these words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LNRcX6y9VE

How is looking at an idling Iku for about eight minutes going to help people understand why SWR is inferior?

[mauve]

this game is complete garbage and there is absolutely nothing anyone can say that will convince me otherwise

every fighting game fan should look at the mechanics in this game and say "what the fuck is this stupid shit?" i don't even mean the decks and weather which are irredeemably dumb, i mean the border escapes and the fact that they nerfed literally everything related to movement and cancels just to make flight work, which is not even an interesting enough mechanic in its own right to warrant it

the irony here is i'm the hacker working on the english translation for it

i guess it's a good single player game


did you know that th7.5, iamp, has ggpo-like netplay now, though? it's actually a good game too

[Gen_Tobias]

well did not expect the thread to go like this but since everyone already knows what it is and doesn't like it I think I'll remove the images due also to that thing that one person said earlier.

 looks like I need to play IaMP then Ill get back with my opinion on which is better

also I am rather new to Melty Bread so cut me some slack here

Edit: well one thing I learned from the get go IaMP is much less intuitive without some kind of faq.

[MasterT]

mother fucking super armor weather

I don't really care for any of the games in the series but IaMP is just better designed as a fighting game. SWR and its expansion seem like more of a for shits and giggles fighter like Brawl, that or to just get your Touhou fap on.

Except I'm not a Touhou fan so I just don't really play it regardless.

[mauve]

mother fucking super armor weather

I don't really care for any of the games in the series but IaMP is just better designed as a fighting game. SWR and its expansion seem like more of a for shits and giggles fighter like Brawl, that or to just get your Touhou fap on.

Except I'm not a Touhou fan so I just don't really play it regardless.

Tasofro themselves said they wanted to make a "game", not a "competition", with SWR. That is, less serious, more casual. Very much like the transition to Brawl. And also seems to attract the same kinds of players.

This translates to "Does it annoy scrubs? nerf it!" "Does it give an advantage to people with a working brain? nerf it!" (1.10 came out today and seems to basically continue this theme, from all I'm hearing.)

Regarding super armor weather, that's in there to give you an actual incentive to manipulate weather, since you don't really care about most of the weathers. If you are low on health compared to your opponent you will lose the round if it comes up, period.(There is no way to avoid damage in Typhoon short of being extremely lucky, as you have to come back to the ground sooner or later.) So there is that, except I feel it's nothing more than a distraction from the meat and potatoes of fighting games and adds nothing to the overall game flow. Just the game going "here's some random-ass prediction to make things more fun and interesting! DEAL WITH IT. Does it fuck you over in this situation? I don't care, it's fun!"

[MasterT]

Tasofro themselves said they wanted to make a "game", not a "competition", with SWR. That is, less serious, more casual. Very much like the transition to Brawl. And also seems to attract the same kinds of players.

This translates to "Does it annoy scrubs? nerf it!" "Does it give an advantage to people with a working brain? nerf it!" (1.10 came out today and seems to basically continue this theme, from all I'm hearing.)

Well I guess they pretty much succeeded considering how much all the IaMP players shit on it. When I think about it, the only people I know who play SWR are just touhou fans rather than fighting game fans.

Gen: Mizuumi wiki has info on both SWR and IaMP so you might as well start there regardless of which one you decide to play.

Also this topic reminded me I had this image.

[Gen_Tobias]

Im a fighting game fan and started playing TH 12.3 because I was looking for fighting games. after that I thought I would look at other touhou games because I kind of like shmups. but as it stands Ive been a fan of fighting games first.

the thing is I can't argue against IaMP over SWR or Melee over Brawl because I have only played the games that are said to be crappier in those arguments. the only similar argument which I can think of that I would identify with is Street Fighter 3: third strike vs Street Fighter 4. but I get the odd feeling someone will say SF III: a new generation was funner and then I won't be able to argue.

well that and the only fighting game I've run into that I think is a complete piece of garbage would be Million Knights Vermillion. Also Street Fighter 4 was disappointing.

lastly I'm able to find a faq for IaMP easily its just the game is near imposible to figure out completely without one. How am I supposed to know you have to push 22 D to be able to bomb and activate a mode that lets you use supers and you have to hit someone while bullets are on the screen to refill your bombs. its just not intuitive to a fighting game is all I'm saying and there is no in game tutorial for these things and even fiddling around in practice mode I didn't figure that out until I read about it. though it is safe to assume if you found the game online it should be just as easy to find an faq which it is.

[Alfonse]

There's the instruction manual. Oh wait, lemme guess, your copy of IaMP isn't..

Do you mean this tutorial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NyiGU5EOg

[Tempered]

I have a hard time making out your posts. Take your time to make sure you use proper grammar and punctuation, you're post wont disappear if you don't type it withing a certain time limit. Just want to point a few things out though.

1) This is a site for Melty Blood. Getting an adverse reaction to another fighting game shouldn't be surprising, especially one as "intuitive" as SWRS. Also most fighting game communities are going to be harsh on you whether you're new or not.

2) Just because IamP is trying a different system at fighting games to try and stay true to the feel of the shooting games doesnt make it unintuitive. It even has all the standard motions of fighting games.

3) Everything would be explained to you if you bought it and could read Japanese. But you downloaded it like most of us, so you didn't get a manual, and i'm just going to assume even if you did have one you wouldn't be able to read it. So you really cant complain if your not willing to take a bit of time to work and experiment. A FAQ isn't required to play this game. It just a bonus to help newer people learn the game faster.

[mauve]

There's also the really hilarious point that he's implying nothing is as unintuitive in SWR.

Because border escapes are completely obvious am I right?

[Gen_Tobias]

meh no biggie really. I just regret making this thread. It seemed to work on dustloop so I thought I would try it here (I'm rather new to forums in general).

I also have no idea what a border escape is so it looks like I'll have even more to look it up. anyways I think I admitted earlier that I had no way to argue which game was better so I would appreciate if that is left alone(I'd almost rather this be an empty thread).

I guess its my fault for trying to tell people about a game I'm rather new (a few months off and on) to.

I will also ask you guys not to hold a grudge against me (I'm really not sure how this whole forum arguing thing goes).

[grandlordzero]

SWR = Random as shit. Fun for casuals and people who don't give a fuck about learning a touhou fighter and just want to dick around with a buddy. Get drunk, laugh @ weather/spellcards/borderescape/whatever, mash butons, then circlejerk to loli's. Rinse, repeat.

IaMP = The actual fighter.

That sums it up. Why has this thread lasted this long?

As for figuring out how to play, L2internet.

/thread

On a not entirely unrelated note, PROTIP: If you don't want to get nerd-raged at on a forum, don't post stupid shit.  

[LoliSauce]

meh no biggie really. I just regret making this thread. It seemed to work on dustloop so I thought I would try it here (I'm rather new to forums in general).

I also have no idea what a border escape is so it looks like I'll have even more to look it up. anyways I think I admitted earlier that I had no way to argue which game was better so I would appreciate if that is left alone(I'd almost rather this be an empty thread).

I guess its my fault for trying to tell people about a game I'm rather new (a few months off and on) to.

I will also ask you guys not to hold a grudge against me (I'm really not sure how this whole forum arguing thing goes).

Don't trip man, it's not like everyone hates you or something.  It's all fun and games.

[ShinMasaki]

IaMP needs more Aya.

[Alfonse]

SWR = Random as shit. Fun for casuals and people who don't give a fuck about learning a touhou fighter and just want to dick around with a buddy. Get drunk, laugh @ weather/spellcards/borderescape/whatever, mash butons, then circlejerk to loli's. Rinse, repeat.

IaMP = The actual fighter.

That sums it up. Why has this thread lasted this long?

As for figuring out how to play, L2internet.

/thread

On a not entirely unrelated note, PROTIP: If you don't want to get nerd-raged at on a forum, don't post stupid shit.  

That's the thing, if he's truly new, he'll only know what is considered 'stupid shit' around here the hard way.

[[svx]]

I play 12.3 sometimes and think it's actually pretty fun if you don't play it too much.