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Atlas Academy => Melty Blood: Actress Again => Akiha Vermillion => : Funky-kun August 12, 2010, 04:11:19 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Changes:
Crescent:
JC - Ground Untechable, No cancels from air hit
AD - Untechable time increased
AAD - Untechable time increased
Full Moon:
JB - Duration decreased
AD - Untechable time increased
AAD - Untechable time increased
Half Moon:
J236B - Start up faster
5A6A - Prorate stronger (Universal half moon nerf)
So Crescent is finally an relevant option now. Half moon is still the same. I doubt the decreased duration of jB will hurt Full moon's game either. I consider all 3 moons playable, with quite different play styles.
Videos:
Crescent, player: Asuka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne5Hs4fPMIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laT-Pvp2-yA
Half, player: Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB78Ustjmn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2DmGCpdB4k
Half/Crescent, player: Lucifer (Korean I believe, very interesting/strange playstyle)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727251
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727425
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727629 (note savage mixup @ 1:30 and 6:10)
Full, player: Yuu
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11719112 (@ 6:25, @12:00)
Crescent, player: Jinbei
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJmdiU2rWU#t=2m40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHm4ANu5Ko#t=3m30s
Crescent, player: ?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11588755 (first and last 2 matches)
Full, player: Satoken
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11635064 (@ 4:15, @ 10:10)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11636977 (@ 4:00)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11641457 (@ 8:00, @15:30)
Half/Full, player: Hato
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11757640
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11758577
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11758965
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11759689
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I actually want to try Crescent with her now. :prinny:
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Oh man, the Korean player is really rocking Crescent's mixups, it reminds me of Sato in the MBAC days. Crescent's ribbons are a reason to choose her against characters with better zoning, as Lucifer did.
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Oh man, the Korean player is really rocking Crescent's mixups, it reminds me of Sato in the MBAC days. Crescent's ribbons are a reason to choose her against characters with better zoning, as Lucifer did.
I haven't gotten around to those yet but I need to. Whenever I see a nicovideo link I have a 4 step process.
1. Sigh heavily.
2. Cringe at the thought of taking any sort of measure to go about loading the video.
3. Wish it was on youtube.
4. Watch it anyway.
I'm in phase 2 atm, I'll get there sooner or later.
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J.B getting nerfed :(
C being a real character :D
I heard pit was slightly buffed too, don't quote me on it though.
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things i want to know:
-j.B nerf is only for FM-vakiha right? i'd be really sad if CM & HM j.B were nerfed D:
also glad to know that 5a6aa dmg nerf is across the board and not just vakiha
-there was talk before about 623b and 6C getting proration (i.e. combo dmg nerf) as well. is that true? and also HM ground 236 series didn't get buffed? o.O
edit after watching above vids:
-it seems that the increased proration from 5a6aa is really significant, HM-vakiha's fullscreen momiji loop starting from 2a can't even break 4k now :(
-vakiha's distance from opponent after airthrow has been increased (and possibly slightly decreased recovery as well). its possible to do BE214B after airthrow now without getting punished by dps (see http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727425 0:41).
-also http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727425 -> seems like lack of anti-a armor is bad, at 7:11 FM-shiki apparently managed to get a double counterhit with 5a against HM-vakiha's j.c
-HM-vakiha's j.236b seems to keep her aerial momentum ala CM-vakiha's j.236a. basically they just replaced the flame-tongue with a flame-orb :D
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6C damage nerf was Arcade > Original balance.
I thought C had something shitty with B momiji (in arcade and original) but I don't know offhand.
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yay for MBAC-VAkiha being playable again.
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-j.B nerf is only for FM-vakiha right? i'd be really sad if CM & HM j.B were nerfed D:
Yeah, I beleive it's just F. H & C's jB is hardly nerf worthy.
6C damage nerf was Arcade > Original balance.
I thought C had something shitty with B momiji (in arcade and original) but I don't know offhand.
According to framedisplay, in MBAA the B Momiji is the same for H and C. There also is no difference in 6C's between moons and versions. The difference is in B Momiji for H & C (nerf) :
arcade MBAA
hit 1: 400 dmg (100 red) 100 proration
hit 2: 400 dmg (100 red) 100 proration
hit 3: 600 dmg (300 red) 100 proration
hit 4: 600 dmg (380 red) 100 proration
console MBAA
hit 1: 400 dmg (100 red) 100 proration
hit 2: 400 dmg (200 red) 100 proration
hit 3: 500 dmg (400 red) 100 proration
hit 4: 500 dmg (400 red) 70 proration
Dreals less damage, more red life damage and ends with 70 proration.
EDIT: WTF, there's something wrong with the videos of the Korean player. When I play them there's this silly music and some text + voice, but no video. For all parts. Other videos work fine. :mystery:
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i was on nico just an hour ago, the music and text is probably an announcement that its on maintenance now :P
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Nope, it seems the video has been removed. :'(
I've updated the first post with some more videos. The player names are a guess from playstyle/color/commentator speech. If there are any errors, please correct me.
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Crescent, player: ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJmdiU2rWU#t=2m40s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHm4ANu5Ko#t=3m30s
This player is Jinbei. Never heard of the guy before though.
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wow, those are some godly blockstrings :fap:
i haven't seen anybody use midair pit activation though, is it really not useful at all?
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11753403
In the above video, the player lands this on Hisui:
jc counter 2a5c4c5a6aa 2c623b 4c623b 4c2c623b 4097 damage
Doing the exact same combo in MBAA I get 4880. It seems the 5a6aa nerf really hurts the damage output. :emo:
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More videos from Tougeki qualifiers featuring Hato (H/F):
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11757640
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11758577
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11758965
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11759689
First video confirms Half's fullscreen Momiji loop damage is 4k even from jc 2a starter. Later Hato manages 4.6k in the corner including 5a6aa with a jc 5c link.
I'll be rooting for Hato/Leo at Tougeki, hope they make it! :toot:
EDIT: They made it! Also Kou is back to Vakiha!
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for some reason, i can't view all the vids in their entirety (i got cut off at 2:41 in the first vid), but from what funky posted, i feel depressed :'(
nevertheless, in the last vid at 3:23
japanese: A✰HO✰
me: roflmao
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for some reason, i can't view all the vids in their entirety (i got cut off at 2:41 in the first vid), but from what funky posted, i feel depressed :'(
nevertheless, in the last vid at 3:23
japanese: A✰HO✰
me: roflmao
Try restarting your computer and then trying again I was having problems w/ Nico yesterday and now everything is fine.
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I'm not very familiar with F-VAkiha, but this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWTlLsJLw2k#t=8m35s) looks like a nice cobmo I haven't seen before. It seems the smaller stage makes it possible.
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yeah the screen has been scaled down a lot in MBAA. it's a little bigger than how it was in MBAC now. a good change imo. it's reminiscent of the full screen momiji loop on ciel in MBAC
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In the Fuusui vs Ashie set, Ashie uses C-VAkiha. Includes some mid loop pit setups.
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623c 22c 2a2c623b has been around since MBAC.
Something more interesting you can do is if you 623c from midscreen and it doesn't bring them completely in the corner, for a moment you end up in front of them (closer to the corner). If you cancel into 22c and set it up like this, you can also catch them with 2a2c and go into sideswap combo to keep them in the corner. However, since the pit is set up the other way around, when it ignites it pushes them towards you. Good luck to your opponent guessing how to block then. >:D Also not entirely new, but cool nonetheless.
Btw, about the videos of Lucifer that got deleted from Nico a while back: I found some of them in CL's youtube channel (nick here is Ruciper xD). (http://www.youtube.com/user/CLmovie#p/u/4/HmeMwYKmGzI) There are 3 of them from the tournament and some previous ones against CL. Sadly, none of them feature him playing as C. Damn, he did some crazy mixups! If someone finds them, share please!
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Half/Crescent, player: Lucifer (Korean I believe, very interesting/strange playstyle)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727251
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727425
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11727629 (note savage mixup @ 1:30 and 6:10)
i found alternate ups of these vids (the ones in Funky's post above mine are actually of mbaa ver.A), you can google "mbaacc 루시퍼" or:
http://www.mgoon.com/view.htm?id=4051164
http://www.mgoon.com/view.htm?id=4051138
http://www.mgoon.com/view.htm?id=4051141
unfortunately part 1 isn't there, but there's part 2-4; part 4 doesn't feature Lucifer, but since its there might as well include it anyway
Lucifer's good, about the only criticism i have is that he needs to stop doing 5a6aa loops, dosen't he know that the increased proration on it actually reduces his total combo damage? :mystery:
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Awesome! I've been looking for these for a while! +Heat
5a6aa looping is indeed excessive, simpler variations are more efficient damage wise, but grant less meter. Showoff. :bleh: Crescent 623c 22c mixup the gdlkness! :fap:
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12891451
ul'er claims this is doable in cc. cheers.
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Fap fap fap fap fap fap
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New midscreen crescent combo here (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13100819). At least it's news to me.
2a5c4c5bb tk236a jab jbc
Damage is still pretty weak, but carries them further into the corner. Not enough for corner-to-corner in AA, but I believe it would do fullscreen in AACC. If you play around with the pre-ribbon placing of VAkiha and the tigerknee direction, you can end up crossing them up, and doing the sideswap 2.0.
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wonder if you can add an airdash attack in the aerial portion of the combo to sneak in some more distance. e.g. jab>airdash>jb>dj bc (sdj if necessary)
:mystery:
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You can do tk9 jab airdash jb j8 jc. No delay on the tigerknee gives a crossup, slight delay continues the combo in the same dirrection. It carries them a bit more but seems weird on some hitboxes. For example it crosses up Nero at the last jC in the opposite direction (yay double crossup combos). It's doable on Len with appropriate spacings. It really depends whether the non-aridash combo will be enough to put them all the way in corner in CC.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyzkVF5FZE4&feature=player_detailpage#t=41s
Crescent:
JC - Ground Untechable, No cancels from "air hit"
does anyone mind a bit more detail on this matter? does it just solely mean 'if you hit someone with it in the air WHILE their are Airborne you CANNOT cancel a special or super?'
i get the obvious of why that Above would be the case, otherwise you cud just a Pit setup of any random combo from JC. but until now i just thought it was No cancel at all, since it's an air move.
so if you hit someone with JC and tha hit gives the properties of the Air to Ground Untechable your unable to cancel any move correct? meaning like in the the 'link' above if you land a hit/block of JC ya still can Perform a Special/super.
???
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afaik it's special cancelable on block and i don't see why it wouldn't be special cancelable on hit and it may also only have this property in CC
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afaik it's special cancelable on block and i don't see why it wouldn't be special cancelable on hit and it may also only have this property in CC
i give up on these forums... don't bother to answer my questions directly and no further proof of what is mentioned.
doesn't mean i'm quiting the game though (hell no!)
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He answered your question to the best of his abilities, in case you forgot that pretty much no one has played CC in America.
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He answered your question to the best of his abilities, in case you forgot that pretty much no one has played CC in America.
really?
ahh okay i get ya now, but that doesn't mean no one has studied it does it?
i understand why there's not much at all CC thread action here as well now. A lot more MBAA for sure
thx for reply
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It's very hard to get info on little stipulations like that without access to the game. It could or couldn't work as far as anyone knows, just assume that it's special cancelable on block only for now.
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as of ver 1.05
C-V.Akiha
can combo off of airthrow into momiji (airthrow groundbounce 2A 2C momiji)
can OTG relaunch with EX momiji off of j.C (requires proximity) or B momiji (fullscreen corner-to-corner! dash 623C OK! )
pit duration seems significantly longer (the normal pit lasted for like 20 ingame seconds but the round ended so actual length is uncertain)
overall higher returns and better options for knockdowns/setups everywhere
references
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14553844
www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14553932
EDIT: upped to youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxOWDunmptA
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I've been watching a lot of F-VAkiha lately. Although there are no documented changes of damage nerfs (at least I think so) her damage seems to be consistently lower than in PS2. A 236C combo with jC starter not breaking 5k on Hisui is different from what I'm used to in MBAA. I've read people mentioning universal damage nerfs in MBAACC, maybe it has something to do with the engine itself, or maybe it is just overall lowering of damage values. :mystery:
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I guess it was only talked about in IRC but for 1.05, F-V.Akiha has been significantly nerfed, iirc Kilvear photographed the notes and I translated them. They hinted that they may only be temporary... wait for 1.07 vids imo
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OK, thanks for the info. I hope they don't bring her PS2 damage back though, compared to the new average combo damage it would be ridiculous.