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REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« on: July 25, 2007, 01:40:30 PM »
New Adapter Stuff:
Seems Pelican was dethroned.

REAL PS2/PS3 Converter
http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/converters/real-ps2ps3-converter/real-ps2ps3-converter-review/

Summary
Features:

    * PS3 Analog Support
    * Power Management
    * Power On/Off Controller
    * Power On/Off PS3 Console
    * Memory Card Management
    * Quit the game when playing
    * Assign controller to different port
    * Convert all the PS2 controllers to be used on PS3/PC/Mac
    * Easy and convenient to use, simply hot-plug the PC USB socket and install the driver, then it works perfectly
    * Real vibration feedback function
    * Both digital & analog modes are available
    * Support all the vibration types
    * Compatible with Windows Vista, Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and the newest versions of Windows XP together with Direct X 7.0a or above

"Both converters ranged on average between the low 1s with 1.25 frames being the low and 1.375 frames being the high. Now all these numbers may be a bit overwhelming and may sound confusing to you. Just know that through this testing it shows that the REAL converter is as consistent as the Pelican ones when it comes to inputs.

Ultimately, I have to pass the converter crown for fighting games to the REAL PS2/PS3 converter as it does everything the Pelican one does and more. Length wise they are about the same, and they also both have LED indicator lights as well as the much needed PS/Home button. One advantage the REAL converter has is that it supports vibration feature wheras the Pelican does not."

http://www.amazon.com/Adaptor-Joypad-Controller-Compatible-Playstation/dp/B000YGH3RS/ref=nosim/sdtekken-20
http://mycarryingcase.com/PS3-PS2-USB-Adaptor-Cable-for/M/B000YGH3RS.htm

USB Rate Tweaker Stuff:
http://www.pureoverclock.com/download.php?det=8
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
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Overclocking the USB does increase CPU cycles (so your CPU will work a bit harder) but yes, it's 100% safe.
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Okay, so, I tried the first prograt that was listed that alters the USB speed, and it completely fucked up my computer. The USB ports no longer recognized anything that was connected to them, and I had to use system restore and select a restore point over a month old to get functionality back. So, I'm just warning y'all.
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You have to make sure your USB keyboad and or mouse device can work at that speed. Most higher end devices can. Here are two articles with links to programs that can tell you what speed your mouse and keyboard can run at. It works fine for me at 1ms.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000832.html

http://www.truecarnage.com/how-to-ch...ider-it-r1.htm
As for this rate tweaker, I personally don't notice any difference, but it's probably there. Maybe the change will be more pronounced on a more laggy converter setup.

Old Stuff:

Arly Update: You can pick up the Pelican PS2/USB(PS3) Adapter through Amazon.com for 11.99. Click Here
(Please note that this is an Affiliate link and Melty Bread receives $0.48 for every one that you guys buy.)  
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Important Note: According to the reviews, this one from the Amazon link is not the same as the one gamestop was selling earlier so I can not vouch for this working. In fact, the reviews seem to state the opposite in fact. Furthermore, the picture provided is obviously not the same adapter. Proceed with caution >_>

The proper model # for the Pelican adapter is PL-6338 as stated in one of the comments.

12/5/07 Update: The old site with usbtwkr seems to be dead so you can find the file here (mirror 1) or here (mirror 2).
Gamestop appears to no longer have the pelican ps2-usb adapter available on their website, but I'm fairly certain that they still have them in stock in my local stores - YMMV.

I was doing some reading on the forums and came across a few posts stating that the HRAP2 performs rather poorly when connected to a PC.

After running some tests, I verified this to be true. After some advice about not using radioshack adapters, I was directed to the Pelican PS2 > PS3 adapter which apparently also works for PCs.

My conclusion is that it runs just like the PS2 version I was playing no more than half an hour ago and my execution seems to be on the same level with no signs of input lag whatsoever.

So, if anyone's in need of a fairly cheap PS2 > USB adapter for the now-released PC version of MBAC ver.B2, then give this adapter a try.

tl;dr: Hori Real Arcade Pro 2 works perfectly with this PS2 > USB adapter.

« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 08:54:17 PM by Arlieth Tralare »
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2007, 04:05:24 PM »
...Now if only I could get my hands on a cheap HRAP2 stick...

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2007, 01:56:00 PM »
Uh... what issues exactly have people had with the HRAP2 through radioshack converters?  I haven't had any problems whatsoever.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2007, 02:37:51 PM »
Can you try other sticks out with that?

Zaelar / myself might buy some of those for the MB tournament at Evo.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2007, 03:22:04 PM »
If I can lay hands on em, I'll try em.  I'm using the classic converter, with the blue top.  I also have the more modern 'tinybox' one.  Neither seems to have a problem in the least.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 04:15:50 PM »
Picture

The Radioshack adapter on the left has input lag with the HRAP2 when testing on ReACT.

The Pelican adapter on the right has no input lag as far as I can tell.

Sorry, I don't have another stick to test it on.
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2007, 05:46:13 PM »
What about regular HRAP's? like, the first one.
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2007, 06:04:44 PM »
Hmmmmmm.  That's the newer one I have.  I also have a blue one.  I'll check it out a bit more thoroughly.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2007, 02:25:18 PM »
After noticing my Custom Stick lagged with the old Blue Top Radio Shack Converter i bought the Pelican PS2 > PS3 adapter, and well it works perfectly no lag :3

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007, 09:00:20 PM »
Yeah, I used to use the blue top one. I had a hard time noticing lag but I noticed a bit with doing some things with my hrap2, like shielding successfully and air dashing right before I hit the ground. I did a side by side of the blue top radioshack usb adapter and the pelican adapter by just jumping with hisui and trying to air dash before I hit the ground, and I found it much easier with the pelican adapter.

Pelican adapter kicks ass.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 10:27:55 PM »
No, I'm not employed by gamestop or pelican. I'm just glad I got this all sorted out before the PC version was released without resorting to getting a completely new stick.
I gotta get myself one of these and I'm gonna assume that you got it from Gamestop.
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2007, 09:12:35 AM »
Well, I'm getting a pelican because MBACPC is ungodly strict, so I may never have noticed, but I now suspect lag.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2007, 11:45:10 AM »
Actually, I think even the Pelican has a slight amount of lag(we're talking maybe 2 frames at most here), but it's no worse than using any other converter on the PS2. It's actually more difficult to get used to the PC speed (compared to PS2) than it is to compensate for converter lag- you could even argue that the lag doesn't exist, and whose perception is solely due to timing differences. I need to play a bit more first to be sure, though.
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 02:20:22 PM »
Way better than my can't-do-fireballs radio shack piece of shit.

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2007, 12:49:01 AM »
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627

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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2007, 01:31:12 AM »
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
Nice post. I actually use this on my mouse, didn't realize it could work for converters. Wish I could do something about my 16ms LCD.
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2007, 05:55:46 AM »
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
Wow, that's awesome. Is there any risk of harming the converter/stick/usb devices in general with this?
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Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2007, 06:48:09 AM »
Oh snap! Thanks, I'll post this on front page and stuff.
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2007, 07:39:21 AM »
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2007, 07:46:59 AM »
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.

That's odd. The first utility linked in the SRK thread didn't ask me to restart at all =\
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2007, 02:41:44 PM »
That's weird, I don't feel a bit of lag and I can PTF on CvS2 for my DC emu...
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2007, 08:13:37 PM »
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.

Hahah, I'd be SOL with this. Over 9000 of the devices on this laptop involve USB, and I think the trackpad would still pick up even slight bits of motion.
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2007, 08:25:31 PM »
Actually, I just tested this on my laptop. My trackpad does not trigger USB input at all and polls at 80-120Hz it seems.
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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2007, 06:03:46 AM »
a bit of warning for overvoltaging your usb ports

if you have hard drives or flash drives in those ports, you might fuck them up. so i suggest you try this on a motherboard youre not willing to cry over if it fries. I'm hearing the safety threshold is 500hz. any higher and youre risking damage to your connected devices.

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Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2007, 03:55:20 PM »
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