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Title: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on July 25, 2007, 01:40:30 PM
New Adapter Stuff:
Seems Pelican was dethroned.

REAL PS2/PS3 Converter
http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/converters/real-ps2ps3-converter/real-ps2ps3-converter-review/

Summary
Features:

    * PS3 Analog Support
    * Power Management
    * Power On/Off Controller
    * Power On/Off PS3 Console
    * Memory Card Management
    * Quit the game when playing
    * Assign controller to different port
    * Convert all the PS2 controllers to be used on PS3/PC/Mac
    * Easy and convenient to use, simply hot-plug the PC USB socket and install the driver, then it works perfectly
    * Real vibration feedback function
    * Both digital & analog modes are available
    * Support all the vibration types
    * Compatible with Windows Vista, Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and the newest versions of Windows XP together with Direct X 7.0a or above

"Both converters ranged on average between the low 1s with 1.25 frames being the low and 1.375 frames being the high. Now all these numbers may be a bit overwhelming and may sound confusing to you. Just know that through this testing it shows that the REAL converter is as consistent as the Pelican ones when it comes to inputs.

Ultimately, I have to pass the converter crown for fighting games to the REAL PS2/PS3 converter as it does everything the Pelican one does and more. Length wise they are about the same, and they also both have LED indicator lights as well as the much needed PS/Home button. One advantage the REAL converter has is that it supports vibration feature wheras the Pelican does not."

http://www.amazon.com/Adaptor-Joypad-Controller-Compatible-Playstation/dp/B000YGH3RS/ref=nosim/sdtekken-20
http://mycarryingcase.com/PS3-PS2-USB-Adaptor-Cable-for/M/B000YGH3RS.htm

USB Rate Tweaker Stuff:
http://www.pureoverclock.com/download.php?det=8 (http://www.pureoverclock.com/download.php?det=8)
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
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Quote from: poonage@SRK
Overclocking the USB does increase CPU cycles (so your CPU will work a bit harder) but yes, it's 100% safe.
Quote from: Darkshine@SRK
Okay, so, I tried the first prograt that was listed that alters the USB speed, and it completely fucked up my computer. The USB ports no longer recognized anything that was connected to them, and I had to use system restore and select a restore point over a month old to get functionality back. So, I'm just warning y'all.
Quote from: Fallback@SRK
You have to make sure your USB keyboad and or mouse device can work at that speed. Most higher end devices can. Here are two articles with links to programs that can tell you what speed your mouse and keyboard can run at. It works fine for me at 1ms.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000832.html

http://www.truecarnage.com/how-to-ch...ider-it-r1.htm
As for this rate tweaker, I personally don't notice any difference, but it's probably there. Maybe the change will be more pronounced on a more laggy converter setup.

Old Stuff:

Arly Update: You can pick up the Pelican PS2/USB(PS3) Adapter through Amazon.com for 11.99. Click Here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KIPE12?ie=UTF8&tag=melbre-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000KIPE12)
(Please note that this is an Affiliate link and Melty Bread receives $0.48 for every one that you guys buy.)  
:slowpoke:

Important Note: According to the reviews, this one from the Amazon link is not the same as the one gamestop was selling earlier so I can not vouch for this working. In fact, the reviews seem to state the opposite in fact. Furthermore, the picture provided is obviously not the same adapter. Proceed with caution >_>

The proper model # for the Pelican adapter is PL-6338 as stated in one of the comments.

12/5/07 Update: The old site with usbtwkr seems to be dead so you can find the file here (mirror 1) (http://frozenheat.net/usbtwkr.rar) or here (mirror 2) (http://fhaw.info/usbtwkr.rar).
Gamestop appears to no longer have the pelican ps2-usb adapter available on their website, but I'm fairly certain that they still have them in stock in my local stores - YMMV.

I was doing some reading on the forums and came across a few posts stating that the HRAP2 performs rather poorly when connected to a PC.

After running some tests, I verified this to be true. After some advice about not using radioshack adapters, I was directed to the Pelican PS2 > PS3 adapter which apparently also works for PCs.

My conclusion is that it runs just like the PS2 version I was playing no more than half an hour ago and my execution seems to be on the same level with no signs of input lag whatsoever.

So, if anyone's in need of a fairly cheap PS2 > USB adapter for the now-released PC version of MBAC ver.B2, then give this adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KIPE12?ie=UTF8&tag=melbre-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000KIPE12) a try.

tl;dr: Hori Real Arcade Pro 2 (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-77-3-49-en-15-real%2Barcade%2Bpro-70-10up.html) works perfectly with this PS2 > USB adapter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KIPE12?ie=UTF8&tag=melbre-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000KIPE12).

Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Devereaux on July 25, 2007, 04:05:24 PM
...Now if only I could get my hands on a cheap HRAP2 stick...
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: motoh on July 26, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
Uh... what issues exactly have people had with the HRAP2 through radioshack converters?  I haven't had any problems whatsoever.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: F9|Chibi on July 26, 2007, 02:37:51 PM
Can you try other sticks out with that?

Zaelar / myself might buy some of those for the MB tournament at Evo.

:P
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: motoh on July 26, 2007, 03:22:04 PM
If I can lay hands on em, I'll try em.  I'm using the classic converter, with the blue top.  I also have the more modern 'tinybox' one.  Neither seems to have a problem in the least.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: magz on July 26, 2007, 04:15:50 PM
Picture (http://images.fhaw.info/IMG_0752.jpg)

The Radioshack adapter on the left has input lag with the HRAP2 when testing on ReACT.

The Pelican adapter on the right has no input lag as far as I can tell.

Sorry, I don't have another stick to test it on.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: AkiraTheMastodon on July 26, 2007, 05:46:13 PM
What about regular HRAP's? like, the first one.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: motoh on July 26, 2007, 06:04:44 PM
Hmmmmmm.  That's the newer one I have.  I also have a blue one.  I'll check it out a bit more thoroughly.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Comic-Z on July 28, 2007, 02:25:18 PM
After noticing my Custom Stick lagged with the old Blue Top Radio Shack Converter i bought the Pelican PS2 > PS3 adapter, and well it works perfectly no lag :3
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Sledeau on July 28, 2007, 09:00:20 PM
Yeah, I used to use the blue top one. I had a hard time noticing lag but I noticed a bit with doing some things with my hrap2, like shielding successfully and air dashing right before I hit the ground. I did a side by side of the blue top radioshack usb adapter and the pelican adapter by just jumping with hisui and trying to air dash before I hit the ground, and I found it much easier with the pelican adapter.

Pelican adapter kicks ass.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on July 28, 2007, 10:27:55 PM
No, I'm not employed by gamestop or pelican. I'm just glad I got this all sorted out before the PC version was released without resorting to getting a completely new stick.
I gotta get myself one of these and I'm gonna assume that you got it from Gamestop.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: motoh on July 29, 2007, 09:12:35 AM
Well, I'm getting a pelican because MBACPC is ungodly strict, so I may never have noticed, but I now suspect lag.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on July 29, 2007, 11:45:10 AM
Actually, I think even the Pelican has a slight amount of lag(we're talking maybe 2 frames at most here), but it's no worse than using any other converter on the PS2. It's actually more difficult to get used to the PC speed (compared to PS2) than it is to compensate for converter lag- you could even argue that the lag doesn't exist, and whose perception is solely due to timing differences. I need to play a bit more first to be sure, though.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Hd - phnz - !!! on July 29, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
Way better than my can't-do-fireballs radio shack piece of shit.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: kenmastersX on July 30, 2007, 12:49:01 AM
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on July 30, 2007, 01:31:12 AM
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
Nice post. I actually use this on my mouse, didn't realize it could work for converters. Wish I could do something about my 16ms LCD.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: magz on July 30, 2007, 05:55:46 AM
This is for you guys who want to eliminate converter lag.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4053071&postcount=627
Wow, that's awesome. Is there any risk of harming the converter/stick/usb devices in general with this?
Quote from: poonage@SRK
Overclocking the USB does increase CPU cycles (so your CPU will work a bit harder) but yes, it's 100% safe.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on July 30, 2007, 06:48:09 AM
Oh snap! Thanks, I'll post this on front page and stuff.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on July 30, 2007, 07:39:21 AM
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on July 30, 2007, 07:46:59 AM
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.

That's odd. The first utility linked in the SRK thread didn't ask me to restart at all =\
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mizuki on July 30, 2007, 02:41:44 PM
That's weird, I don't feel a bit of lag and I can PTF on CvS2 for my DC emu...
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Keith on July 30, 2007, 08:13:37 PM
Courtesy of SonGohanX on IRC:

http://www.esreality.com/download.php?file_id=36397

Realtime USB tweaker. BEWARE: It will make all your USB devices freeze for a while, then go nuts as Windows detects them all at once :psyduck: However, it worked thereafter without any reboot necessary. Also note that my CPU usage shoots up to 65% if my mouse is actively moving at maximum input. If you're playing Melty on your computer, make sure your mouse doesn't get moved around, or disconnect it entirely, if it's giving you slowdown issues.

Hahah, I'd be SOL with this. Over 9000 of the devices on this laptop involve USB, and I think the trackpad would still pick up even slight bits of motion.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on July 30, 2007, 08:25:31 PM
Actually, I just tested this on my laptop. My trackpad does not trigger USB input at all and polls at 80-120Hz it seems.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: scottind on July 31, 2007, 06:03:46 AM
a bit of warning for overvoltaging your usb ports

if you have hard drives or flash drives in those ports, you might fuck them up. so i suggest you try this on a motherboard youre not willing to cry over if it fries. I'm hearing the safety threshold is 500hz. any higher and youre risking damage to your connected devices.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on July 31, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
EXTREEEEME COMPUUUTIIIINGGG
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: fullmetalross on July 31, 2007, 07:27:49 PM
just as a side note, I have the red octane, ps2 -> usb, gamecube, xbox adapter and that doesn't lag at all with my hrap2 with no usb tweaking.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: SGX on August 01, 2007, 05:20:07 AM
I use the Magicbox 3-in-1 (PS2/DC/Saturn) and it works perfectly with my HRAP.

I also picked up a Xbox/GC/PS2 adapter from walmart for $10, and it seems to work well also.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mir on August 01, 2007, 11:40:28 AM
I was thinking of getting a HRAP but all that lag talk leaves me a bit reluctant. Is it worth spending 100-odd bucks for one if I already have a hori fighting stick 2? And if I do, will I need a new adapter (currently using EMS dual shooter)?
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: F9|Chibi on August 01, 2007, 11:47:50 AM
I can't find these fuckin converters anyway.

Where should I order them online?

>_>
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: motoh on August 01, 2007, 01:30:22 PM
The pelicans are linked in the original post, just use the 'find a store' link to locate a Gamestop that has one in stock.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: SGX on August 02, 2007, 06:40:35 AM
EMS dual shooter lags regardless. You should get a new adapter. You'll notice the difference.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2 > USB Adapter = Godsend
Post by: Light on August 02, 2007, 07:13:58 AM
Picture (http://images.fhaw.info/IMG_0752.jpg)

The Radioshack adapter on the left has input lag with the HRAP2 when testing on ReACT.

The Pelican adapter on the right has no input lag as far as I can tell.

Sorry, I don't have another stick to test it on.

I think that Radioshack converter has lag with certain sticks from what I've read from other posts. I've got the sort of old Radioshack with the blue shield on top of a black box, and I never noticed any lag when playing my T5 hori.

I guess it's Bring-Your-Own-Converter if you don't want to lag. *shrug*
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: motoh on August 02, 2007, 02:19:25 PM
I have definitely confirmed lag on the radioshacks.  They're marvelous for anything that isn't so precise you need frame-level accuracy, but nogood for melty.

~M
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mir on August 02, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
EMS dual shooter lags regardless. You should get a new adapter. You'll notice the difference.

I got the one mentioned in the original post...and I can't say I'm seeing much difference between the EMS, the old PSjoy and it. The pelican however is very compact and doesn't require drivers/joy2key so I'll probably end up using it. Good stuff.

Edit: Speaking of HRAP, are the HRAP3's just plug and play in pc? I mean hell, if those work properly why not just get one of the new ones and not bother with converters and such crap.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: kenmastersX on August 02, 2007, 08:59:03 PM
Edit: Speaking of HRAP, are the HRAP3's just plug and play in pc? I mean hell, if those work properly why not just get one of the new ones and not bother with converters and such crap.

Yeah, HRAP3s are plug and play.  It counts on how serious you want to buy them though, since outside of PC they're only useful for PS3 at the moment, but as PC sticks they're excellent.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mir on August 02, 2007, 09:27:37 PM
Bleh, I don't even have a playstation (boycotting Sony). I only got a converter because when I was buying my HFS2 there were...no HRAP available.

So I guess I'll be getting a HRAP3. Joy...200$ for the one with the good parts =/
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on August 02, 2007, 09:31:12 PM
Bleh, I don't even have a playstation (boycotting Sony). I only got a converter because when I was buying my HFS2 there were...no HRAP available.

So I guess I'll be getting a HRAP3. Joy...200$ for the one with the good parts =/
Just get an HRAP3 non-Special and order and install the buttons yourself. You'll save money that way.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on August 02, 2007, 09:47:49 PM
PlayAsia has the Virtua Stick High Grade for 80 USD and it's all Sanwa.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mir on August 02, 2007, 09:50:10 PM
Just get an HRAP3 non-Special and order and install the buttons yourself. You'll save money that way.

Money are going to get spent regardless. This gives me a reason to actually go to work for the 2 weeks I have left of summer...so it's probably a good thing since I'll be up a few hundred bucks afterwards. The feeling I have royally nutted myself doesn't come from the price of the stick itself, but rather from the shipping.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Hd - phnz - !!! on August 04, 2007, 04:46:39 PM
It seems that the programs listed are for Windows XP use. Any Vista versions?
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: scottind on August 09, 2007, 12:45:01 PM
i'm not thoroughly convinced that USB overclocking will make that much of a difference for devices like gamepads with the Pelican.

As far as damage to your other connected devices, i haven't found a single reported incident, though devices DO seem to stop working high polling speed for Hard Drives is a resource hog, and detremental to its speed. There is also the importance of what kind of USB controller chip you have, and if it will play nice with your connected devices. There is also a document that mentions that each USB device comes with it's own Polling Interval value, that was primarily introduced when USB spec upgraded to 1.1.

Anyway, if you can read it, it's here:

http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm

it could be, that the Pelican was originally designed for Guitar Hero, that it was manufactured with a high default polling speed, we won't know unless we get a readout. Though for you other people with other ps2-usb converters WITH lag, maybe this tweak can help you.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on August 13, 2007, 02:31:12 PM
The pelican adapter forces analog to be on.  This might be a problem for some people.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: F9|Chibi on August 13, 2007, 03:04:20 PM
Yeah, I was playing with Zaelar yesterday and Hisui kept jittering in place.

I ended up looking at the controller while I played for a bit and saw that the analog is forecefully left on, leaving my thumbs to sometimes accidentally brush up against the analog sticks, thus Hisui jittering in place.

That's obviously very bad, so it's a heads up to all you pad players out there to watch out for it. I'll bring two regular radio shack converters just in case people want them (such as myself).

:)
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on August 13, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
That's odd... I play pad as well and maybe it's the way I hold it but I've never run into that problem.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on August 13, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
I don't have a problem with it either.  I only said it in case some people have a problem with it.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Level 0 on August 14, 2007, 02:25:45 AM
I personally use the Super Joy Box 5 Pro (from playasia) and had never realized this lag even existed.  I just tried the USB Tweaker (first link in the shoryuken post), and my god.  What a difference it makes.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Choco on August 14, 2007, 02:29:10 AM
Yeah, I was playing with Zaelar yesterday and Hisui kept jittering in place.

I ended up looking at the controller while I played for a bit and saw that the analog is forecefully left on, leaving my thumbs to sometimes accidentally brush up against the analog sticks, thus Hisui jittering in place.

That's obviously very bad, so it's a heads up to all you pad players out there to watch out for it. I'll bring two regular radio shack converters just in case people want them (such as myself).

:)

Wait... I thought you were all stick now?  :slowpoke:
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: F9|Chibi on August 14, 2007, 07:48:39 AM
Yeah, I was playing with Zaelar yesterday and Hisui kept jittering in place.

I ended up looking at the controller while I played for a bit and saw that the analog is forecefully left on, leaving my thumbs to sometimes accidentally brush up against the analog sticks, thus Hisui jittering in place.

That's obviously very bad, so it's a heads up to all you pad players out there to watch out for it. I'll bring two regular radio shack converters just in case people want them (such as myself).

:)

Wait... I thought you were all stick now?  :slowpoke:

I go back and forth really D:

I was playing Zaelar on PC but we didn't have pelican converters, so I feel back into using a pad, and now I'm used to it so I guess until after Evo I'll stick with it.

 :emo:
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on August 14, 2007, 08:05:02 AM
Sticks belong in Hisui's ass.  See chibi's av for details*.

*av at time of this post. av is likely to change several times within the next hour.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: sirphes on August 14, 2007, 08:30:59 AM
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-49-en-15-ems-70-1b5.html

This is the converter I've had for some time. about $20 shipped, two controllers per adapter, no lag whatsoever. I bought them for all my friends, and the only issue we've had is accidentally putting the switch to "game" rather than "PC".
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: 4r5 on August 14, 2007, 10:45:48 AM
I've had that converter for a long time. Works fine with PS2 pads and T5 stick. Lags with some PSX pads (not sure which ones) and HRAPs.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on August 15, 2007, 04:11:48 AM
My computer w/ crt monitor works well without the tweaker, with it I 'feel' a very slight improvement.

My new laptop w/ lag display, has some lag on its own, while with the tweaker is it very much playable.  There is probably still a slight delay though, I'm just not noticing it.

This is using the first download in the link to srk with it set to 500.

http://home.arcor.de/_aero/projects/usbtwkr/old/usbtwkr_20060625.zip
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: KomagPHL on August 24, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
do parallel port converters have any lag? i'm using this really old psx -> parallel port converter and i was wondering if there's any lag in there. i'm using a hori fighting stick 2 and i sometimes switch to pad. i don't feel any real difference. what about HRAP's? anyone done any testing with those using a parallel port converter?

i also have a radioshack converter, but since those have been proven to have lag even with USB Overclock i'm going to refrain from using them. right now i'm going to keep using this parallel port converter, if memory serves me right those converters have very minimal/no lag but i'm just not too sure.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on August 27, 2007, 12:04:15 AM
overclocking usb ports makes such a fat difference and gamestop seems to suck at stocking, i got mine from fry's thanks to a tip from alt
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Soniti on September 08, 2007, 08:50:12 PM
I got this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125667968&ssPageName=STRK:MERFB:IID) a while back, and haven't noticed any lag with it. Cost me $7 including shipping ^_^. I'll try the USB rate tweaker eventually and see if i notice a difference though.

If you don't wanna go to the ebay page, it looks like this:
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a8/61/321b_1_b.JPG)
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Animeruko on September 09, 2007, 08:02:01 PM
what about using USB sticks? do they lagg aswell since its a USB device?  I use my DOA4 stick for b2 and dont really notice any lagg normaly but im not sure.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on September 12, 2007, 04:37:50 PM
If it was designed for usb then it shouldn't, but there always is a chance.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Kayin on September 13, 2007, 12:35:17 PM
what about using USB sticks? do they lagg aswell since its a USB device?  I use my DOA4 stick for b2 and dont really notice any lagg normaly but im not sure.

Windows' default USB speed causes an 8ms delay, which is less than 1 frame. Probably why you're not noticing it.

Anything lower than half a frame (there are approx. 16.6 ms in a frame in MBAC) should be 100% playable.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Zaelar on September 15, 2007, 06:05:44 AM
Windows' default USB speed causes an 8ms delay, which is less than 1 frame. Probably why you're not noticing it.

Anything lower than half a frame (there are approx. 16.6 ms in a frame in MBAC) should be 100% playable.

It's not an 8 ms delay, it is an up to 8 ms delay.  Assuming MB polls for inputs once a frame(60fps/16.667ms), this is a one frame delay about 1/4 of the time, slightly less.  USB tweaker to 500 and it goes to 1/16 of the time.  For some reason this feels like a big difference when using a laptop's display.

This is assuming there is no lag somewhere between you pressing something and the usb port on the computer(IE a converter lagging).  There is also display lag which this doesn't take into consideration and won't change no matter what controller you use.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: LynxWinters on September 28, 2007, 08:19:37 AM
I got this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125667968&ssPageName=STRK:MERFB:IID) a while back, and haven't noticed any lag with it. Cost me $7 including shipping ^_^. I'll try the USB rate tweaker eventually and see if i notice a difference though.

If you don't wanna go to the ebay page, it looks like this:
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a8/61/321b_1_b.JPG)

As an added note to anyone looking to get one of these, make sure you do NOT get the 4-player version. For some reason it seems like the four-player version cycles between reading each port, even if there's nothing plugged in, so what ends up happening is you get dropped inputs like crazy. It works great for everything that's not a fighting game, such as emulators, but it is god-awful for any fighting game.

Maybe the USB rate tweaker would help a little, but I'd rather just get something like the Pelican or EMS2. So far the EMS2 is the best one I've used, and I've never even considered using a rate tweaker with it. It's something to look into.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on December 05, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Just so everyone knows, I updated the first post in the thread with an Amazon affiliate link for the Pelican adapter. It's cheaper than the GameStop price, and GameStop seems to have stopped stocking them since Guitar Hero 3 came out on PS3.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on December 06, 2007, 12:05:05 AM
Just so everyone knows, I updated the first post in the thread with an Amazon affiliate link for the Pelican adapter. It's cheaper than the GameStop price, and GameStop seems to have stopped stocking them since Guitar Hero 3 came out on PS3.

According to the reviews, this one from the Amazon link is not the same as the one gamestop was selling earlier so I can not vouch for this working. In fact, the reviews seem to state the opposite in fact. Furthermore, the picture provided is obviously not the same adapter. Proceed with caution >_>

The proper model # for the Pelican adapter is PL-6338 as stated in one of the comments.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on December 06, 2007, 02:25:08 AM
The hell? Hmm. Lemme check that out.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Kayin on December 06, 2007, 02:41:33 AM
If that's true this should be made known, I'd hate to see people get shafted.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Sledeau on December 17, 2007, 08:00:13 AM
Shit, that sucks. I hope people can still get ahold of the other model in some way. Its rare to find a high quality PS2 to USB adapter.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Kryojenix on December 19, 2007, 03:51:10 PM
just to clarify, this IS the PS2 to PS3 adapter, correct?  It works for the PC?
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on December 19, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
just to clarify, this IS the PS2 to PS3 adapter, correct?  It works for the PC?
yes
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: nabechewan on December 21, 2007, 08:27:05 PM
The link in the edited post only reveals a message from Amazon that the product isn't in stock anymore. If someone could suggest a PS2-USB adaptor that I could purchase and that keeps lag to a minimum then I'd appreciate it greatly. Looking around doesn't seem to be revealing a whole lot.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on December 21, 2007, 08:58:15 PM
I'm not sure if Pelican converters are better than your average converter. Really, the main selling point is that it works with HORI sticks because HORI PCBs are notorious for being picky with converters.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: nabechewan on December 24, 2007, 10:09:57 AM
I see. Well, I'm just looking for any halfway decent ps2 usb converter but just finding any is becoming somewhat difficult at this point.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on January 09, 2008, 07:14:16 PM
why can i not find it anymore i currently have one and lost one so now i need another one and cannot find it anywhere  =0(... i checked every where online... i know i might have to do some searching at local gamestop stores bleh!!!
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: ennvi on January 12, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
All the links on the op post are soldout....anyone know anywhere else I can get a good converter?
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on January 12, 2008, 08:13:02 PM
i found a couple at a local game stop or even try an fye.. i guess it would be best to call aroudn make sure they got it thsi way you dont make a wasted trip
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on February 24, 2008, 07:40:20 AM
anyone having problems where theirs jsut stops working out of nowhere
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Tsubasa☆ on February 24, 2008, 09:40:40 AM
anyone having problems where theirs jsut stops working out of nowhere

Mine did about two weeks ago.  I know a couple of others who have had the same problem too.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on February 24, 2008, 11:41:48 AM
Long story short: this adapter seems to have a short lifespan and although it worked great with HORIs, reviews seem to indicate that this adapter sucked for its original purpose: Guitar Hero. And thus, it was discontinued several weeks ago.

I suggest finding a new adapter for the plethora of HORI users we seem to have at Melty Bread... (I'm gonna try the one from USER'S SIDE because they're JP)
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on February 24, 2008, 04:12:28 PM
yeah seems liek everyone will have to eventually find a new adapter due to pelicans being shitty and not working!!! but what other ps2 to usb adapter at gamer's side? i desperatly need to find a new one before my old one jsut stops workin ( old meanin i got it a month ago hahah)  i use a hori namco modded sanwa stick
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Screwtape on March 01, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
So does anyone know a good, alternative USB adapter? I'm thinking of getting a HORI at some point, but it wouldn't be nearly as useful when I can't use it on my computer.

Has anyone here used other adapters such as this one? - http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-77-4-49-en-15-usb-70-qc2.html

Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Sledeau on March 01, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Anyone know what Korean or Japanese players use for their converters?

Or, can go find out?
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Twinniss on March 03, 2008, 09:12:10 PM
srk ppl are looking at this converter

http://cgi.ebay.com/PS2-Controller-to-PS3-PC-USB-System-Link-Adapter-Cable_W0QQitemZ300128090152QQihZ020QQcategoryZ147177QQcmdZViewItem

some report almost zero lag. as for ps3 compatibility one guy said that it lags only on menu screens but gameplay its almost lagless
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on March 04, 2008, 06:42:41 PM
allright thanks!! i just bought one and ill definatly let you guys know how it is!!!
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mizuki on March 04, 2008, 09:05:35 PM
Anyone know what Korean or Japanese players use for their converters?

Or, can go find out?

They play on arcade.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Sledeau on March 04, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
Anyone know what Korean or Japanese players use for their converters?

Or, can go find out?

They play on arcade.

Obviously, they don't need to use practice mode at all!

On a second note, Japanese combo videos also never use practice mode!
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: mizuki on March 05, 2008, 12:14:25 AM
Anyone know what Korean or Japanese players use for their converters?

Or, can go find out?

They play on arcade.

Obviously, they don't need to use practice mode at all!

On a second note, Japanese combo videos also never use practice mode!

Japanese usually use the arcade for training. For japanese combo videos they probably use a usb pad or something, or a ps3/xb360 stick.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Dipstick on March 05, 2008, 12:33:33 AM
Japanese players don't need training mode; they're born with perfect execution DURRRRRRRR.

Actually, I would figure they would use Elecom adapters, as that was the brand I found floating around mainly when it was first an issue (when the PS3 first came out, before Pelican released their adapter).

For what it's worth, nearly every single IaMP player uses a USB Saturn pad.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Raoh Punches Faces on March 05, 2008, 07:08:05 PM
where can i find the elecom adapter? i check a couple places and japan amazon had it but said they dont ship it out to my region..
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on March 13, 2008, 07:26:38 PM
Long story short: this adapter seems to have a short lifespan and although it worked great with HORIs, reviews seem to indicate that this adapter sucked for its original purpose: Guitar Hero. And thus, it was discontinued several weeks ago.

I suggest finding a new adapter for the plethora of HORI users we seem to have at Melty Bread... (I'm gonna try the one from USER'S SIDE because they're JP)
So I got a nifty Elecom converter @User's Side.  Seems to work fine with my HRAP2.  I can do my Arc 4B relaunch combos.

Oh, and if we're doing Queen's Blade, I call Airi. :3
If you live in NorCal, you can pick up Elecoms @USER'S SIDE, an electronics store next to Mitsuwa, a Japanese supermarket. Directions can be found here: http://www.users-side.co.jp/USA_WEB/mapsj.htm

The first post could use some srs maintenance
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: asuka on March 14, 2008, 02:49:26 AM
Just want to ask whether HRAP 3 is plug and play and can it be recognize by window? If not then is there a converter that can be use with it?
I am quite interested to get one HRAP 3 but i am not sure whether it will work.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on March 14, 2008, 02:54:02 AM
Just want to ask whether HRAP 3 is plug and play and can it be recognize by window? If not then is there a converter that can be use with it?
I am quite interested to get one HRAP 3 but i am not sure whether it will work.
The HRAP3 is plug and play with Windows XP.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on March 14, 2008, 04:15:01 AM
I heard from Jason Wilson that Pelican was forced to stop manufacturing the converters because of a lawsuit from Sony. They're working on something else but those in the know are aware that a component in the Pelican that Sony had copyrighted was responsible for the zero-lag response in the converters. Hopefully an alternative can be found.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: magz on March 14, 2008, 04:33:32 AM
I heard from Jason Wilson that Pelican was forced to stop manufacturing the converters because of a lawsuit from Sony. They're working on something else but those in the know are aware that a component in the Pelican that Sony had copyrighted was responsible for the zero-lag response in the converters. Hopefully an alternative can be found.
Just pray that the next one still costs $15.... but if it's official sony, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Sp00ky on June 15, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
Not sure why this got unstickied but I'll put it back up there.
Title: Re: Pelican PS2-USB Adapter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Nightvoomer on June 16, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
Seems Pelican was dethroned.

REAL PS2/PS3 Converter
http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/converters/real-ps2ps3-converter/real-ps2ps3-converter-review/

Summary
Features:

    * PS3 Analog Support
    * Power Management
    * Power On/Off Controller
    * Power On/Off PS3 Console
    * Memory Card Management
    * Quit the game when playing
    * Assign controller to different port
    * Convert all the PS2 controllers to be used on PS3/PC/Mac
    * Easy and convenient to use, simply hot-plug the PC USB socket and install the driver, then it works perfectly
    * Real vibration feedback function
    * Both digital & analog modes are available
    * Support all the vibration types
    * Compatible with Windows Vista, Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and the newest versions of Windows XP together with Direct X 7.0a or above

"Both converters ranged on average between the low 1s with 1.25 frames being the low and 1.375 frames being the high. Now all these numbers may be a bit overwhelming and may sound confusing to you. Just know that through this testing it shows that the REAL converter is as consistent as the Pelican ones when it comes to inputs.

Ultimately, I have to pass the converter crown for fighting games to the REAL PS2/PS3 converter as it does everything the Pelican one does and more. Length wise they are about the same, and they also both have LED indicator lights as well as the much needed PS/Home button. One advantage the REAL converter has is that it supports vibration feature wheras the Pelican does not."

http://www.amazon.com/Adaptor-Joypad-Controller-Compatible-Playstation/dp/B000YGH3RS/ref=nosim/sdtekken-20
http://mycarryingcase.com/PS3-PS2-USB-Adaptor-Cable-for/M/B000YGH3RS.htm
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on June 18, 2008, 02:52:34 AM
Wow. Like, good shit.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: scottind on July 12, 2008, 01:05:09 AM
Out of Stock

fuck me
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Twinniss on July 12, 2008, 08:09:47 AM
they restock

FAST


seriously, just check everyday, and when you see they restocked, go ahead and grab one
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on July 12, 2008, 08:10:52 AM
yeah i mean they come from china after all
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: noradseven on July 12, 2008, 09:31:16 AM
Out of Stock

fuck me

sorry I bought the last one lol  ;)   , it works great took like 1week to ship though.

I put it on my fighting stick wii, after I sautered on the PS1 H controller board on top of my wii one its awesome.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: scottind on July 31, 2008, 12:11:39 PM
still out of stock, its been weeks already :(
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Twinniss on July 31, 2008, 05:45:12 PM
due to olympics happening soon, supposly they stopped manufacturing them until olympics are over probably

dunno what the olympics have to do with manufacturing stuff. But it's China and the government can do whatever the fuck they want to
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: tolore on August 12, 2008, 03:01:17 PM
Hey I'm just getting in to melty blood and I'd like to use a PS2 controller(the xbox 360 dpad is the worst thing ever). I was wondering a couple things. I read the thread and I hear lots of complaints about the radio shack one with different kinds of sticks, but does it have lag with just a normal ps2 controller? If it does is the super joy box 3 a fine alternative, or should i wait for the converter in the first post to get back in stock?
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Twinniss on August 12, 2008, 08:53:11 PM
Real converters don't work well for analog controllers, in other words dual shock 2

if your looking forward to only playing on Pc then grab a Super Joy Box 3 Pro
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-49-en-15-super%2Bjoybox%2B3-70-qc2.html

if your gonna want it to also convert to PS3 then your gonna have to grab a psx pad(you can find em on ebay for like $5) and wait for the Real converters to be back in stock

right now SRK is testing another converter for lag, if it turns out to be good then theres probably gonna be a post about it here
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: tolore on August 12, 2008, 11:37:10 PM
Cool, i don't care about the ps3 conversion(and if i'm gonna drop hundreds of dollars on a ps2 the 20ish dollars on the converter won't be too pad). thanks a ton for the info.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on October 05, 2008, 12:56:21 AM
are these ever in stock

otherwise i owe tsubasa $15
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Nightvoomer on October 05, 2008, 01:20:14 AM
If you want a good converter, you can PM laugh on SRK.  The Inpins are as good as the Real or the Pelican.  Ive done business with him and so have lots of others, he is pretty reliable.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on October 06, 2008, 05:47:05 PM
If you want a good converter, you can PM laugh on SRK.  The Inpins are as good as the Real or the Pelican.  Ive done business with him and so have lots of others, he is pretty reliable.
Seems like the Inpin is the new good converter.

http://sdtekken.com/tech-area/converters/inpin-play-converter/inpin-play-converter-review/
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Belegorm on September 18, 2009, 03:20:34 PM
While I don't claim to be able to analyse it frame-by-frame, nor have much experience with the ps2 controller plugged into an actual ps2, my super dual box pro always seemed to get the job done with my dualshock 2.  After I lost that, my "usb super converter" that I got seems to work just as well (even though I don't even know who made this thing).

I'm trying to switch to using the arcade stick.  Mayflash's stick sucks, but that's why I'm planning on modding it.  At least, since it is both usb AND ps2, I don't have to deal with converters when using it on the pc or ps2.  With a converter, I used it just fine to play CvS2 on my Dreamcast (though I'm probably worse with a stick at that game than I am at MBAA).
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: dakanya on September 18, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
HORI sticks are notorious for not being compatible with a lot of generic adapters and thus, lag is born. So if you use a HORI stick, you should be getting the best adapter available if you plan to plug in your HRAP2 to a PC/PS3
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Belegorm on September 18, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
Guess my friend with a Hori is lucky he has a 360 stick instead of a PS3 stick, thus rendering a converter unnecessary :)
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Mieko on November 26, 2009, 08:57:04 AM
Well, its not like all but i have this one and i always say is awesome, very cheap and for 2 pads, like 2 years with him and its working perfectly ^^

http://www.lynxmotion.com/images/jpg/usbps2.jpg

Real converters don't work well for analog controllers, in other words dual shock 2

if your looking forward to only playing on Pc then grab a Super Joy Box 3 Pro
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-49-en-15-super%2Bjoybox%2B3-70-qc2.html

I saw that one in some shop around the city, its a good one i have to say, the only bad thing is its just for 1 pad =/
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Llian on December 09, 2009, 11:31:57 PM
I'm just wondering.. why does the ps3 controller not work in MBcaster?
Edit
I got it fixed while messing in config_caster. I had to set the input device to 0.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Arlieth Tralare on October 29, 2010, 03:39:42 PM
I just noticed this thread has like, almost 20,000 views. wtf? :psyduck:
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Lorn on November 29, 2010, 05:06:28 AM
Thank God for this.
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: Sotes on January 18, 2011, 10:44:51 PM
Is there any way to get one of these anymore, every time I look it's out of stock
Title: Re: REAL PS2/PS3 Converter + USB Rate Tweaker = Godsend
Post by: djenkov on April 20, 2011, 03:35:38 AM
Is there any way to get one of these anymore, every time I look it's out of stock

http://www.etokki.com/iNPiN%20PS2%20to%20PS3%20Converter
I bought mine from ebay a year ago,but this place should be fine too.