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Misaki Town Bakery => Ciel's Tech Support => : -Sakurazaki- June 21, 2008, 01:26:05 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Just want to know.
As I'm not willing enough nor have the money to just go out and get myself a good pc and/or videocard, I want to check if my pc is up to the standards.
I know the game works fine, but my video card sucks...
Also, if I were to buy a new video card, would you suggest AGP or PCI? It says that my pc has an AGP installed, but I only see pCI slots when I open the thing up... and I don't see any brown slots for AGP... Help me out?
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Just for reference -
(http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cooldrives/sata-pci-express-pci-card.jpg)
In practice, PCI video cards do not perform as well as their AGP counterparts. Not to mention that both are outdated and you should be going for PCI Express. If your motherboard does not have PCI Express slots, it's time to get out of the dark ages.
As far as requirements go, you need a video card with 64mB of VRAM.
I highly doubt that you're behind enough that you'd fail to meet the Pentium 3 500mhZ processor requirement. Same goes for the 256mB memory requirement.
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Yeah you're right.
My Pentium 3 is okay with 1300MHz and 256 RAM... but my video card goes only up to 32 MB... crap
and, I don't see any PCI Express slots just PCI. Plus, I don't see myself having a good pc in the future, being only in 10th grade with no say in getting what I want... Sucks for me xD
So I'll just have to buy those on sale $30 256/512 MB PCI ones... or wait a few years...
What does your pc have? just so I can see what I SHOULD be having. Most likely in the future something better will be in the market.
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The "official" requirements are:
OS: Microsoft Windows 2000, XP, Vista
CPU: Pentium III 500MHz or higher
RAM: 256MB or higher
Disk space: 150MB
VRAM: 64MB/Direct3D
DirectX9.0c with DirectSound
Just to make it clear. You can play MBAC with every supermarket PC.
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10th grade with a pentium 3?
i suggest getting a job.
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My PC is a frankenstein of a machine with parts I've collected/bought over the years, I have no idea what the motherboard/processor is!
My HD is 12 years old and holds 120gB...
Disk space: 1.50gB
Fixed.
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and, I don't see any PCI Express slots just PCI. Plus, I don't see myself having a good pc in the future, being only in 10th grade with no say in getting what I want... Sucks for me xD
Ive been building my own PC's since i was a freshman in HS.
Go Go its a good time to start working!
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10th grade with a pentium 3?
i suggest getting a job.
or using 2-3 years of Christmas+Birthday money. if you don't mind not getting a new screen keyboard or mouse you can get a pretty amazing computer for $800, and a decent one at $400.
By the way if you are thinking about buying a compy, never buy an alien ware or a voodoo they are wastes of money, you can buy the cases they look cool. And no I don't want to hear about their gaming laptop. I belive my fav laptop on the market right now is the Asus M51 (check this one out, my friend even bought it on sale lucky bastard), and Lenova accually has some decent tablets, wouldn't trust anything else though, those are all about $1000
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10th grade with a pentium 3?
i suggest getting a job.
9th going 10th in August. Call me a psuedo-10th... and yes I plan for a job. Sorry, didn't clarify that.
Ive been building my own PC's since i was a freshman in HS.
Go Go its a good time to start working!
I'm/I -also/was trying to build my PC... well just started mid-April and haven't done much. I was just able to get a 40gB HD and a 64MB video card. I also have an external/portable HD thats over 150gB. (All I didn't buy, but uh... took from other computers in the house). Either way, my PC is still utter crap :(. I'll just start all over when I get money.
(Any job suggestions for my age? All can only think of at the moment is holding signs for newly built housing, lawn work, etc.; or is this the wrong place for this? lol.)
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start up an internet business.
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Craigslist some parts.
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My PC is a frankenstein of a machine with parts I've collected/bought over the years, I have no idea what the motherboard/processor is!
My HD is 12 years old and holds 120gB...
http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php
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Craigslist some parts.
hmmm interesting idea but Im not sure if I would trust second hand computer parts because its so easy to break them if your not careful, + tigerdirect sales, dell and IBM back lots and , neoseeker are cheap already.
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10th grade with a pentium 3?
i suggest getting a job.
9th going 10th in August. Call me a psuedo-10th... and yes I plan for a job. Sorry, didn't clarify that.
Ive been building my own PC's since i was a freshman in HS.
Go Go its a good time to start working!
I'm/I -also/was trying to build my PC... well just started mid-April and haven't done much. I was just able to get a 40gB HD and a 64MB video card. I also have an external/portable HD thats over 150gB. (All I didn't buy, but uh... took from other computers in the house). Either way, my PC is still utter crap :(. I'll just start all over when I get money.
(Any job suggestions for my age? All can only think of at the moment is holding signs for newly built housing, lawn work, etc.; or is this the wrong place for this? lol.)
your like 16? not sure hwo it works in whatever state your in but you should be abel to work part time with a working permit from school. I dont know if things have changed since i was in school but thats what i had to do ... just look for something simple. my first job was at a clothes store ... BOOORRRRINGGG. good luck. If you cant find a job just save money your parents give you lol thats what i used to do... thats how i got my first computer. I bought a junker store brand and fixed it up and sold it for profit lol and then i built my first real custom system.
Oh another idea for a job is you could do stuff ... like i do computer repairs and other work with electronics for people for a good bit ... i charge 50/hour for my computer work the toehr stuff depends on the task. i dont make a whole lot of money but its somethign the helps on the side whenever i do get someoen who needs help.
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if there is a Frys Electronics around your area, i highly recommend getting the Celeron 430 combo. The barebones cpu/mb combos sometimes go for $45 and its a VERY VERY good deal as a starter system. If you do, don't bother with your videocard, use the one onboard the MB, it should be more than sufficient.
as for jobs, dont really know what skills you have. but when i was your age, i worked in the school library. my first custom system was a 486DX4 running @ 133mhz
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your like 16? not sure hwo it works in whatever state your in but you should be abel to work part time with a working permit from school. I dont know if things have changed since i was in school but thats what i had to do ... just look for something simple. my first job was at a clothes store ... BOOORRRRINGGG. good luck. If you cant find a job just save money your parents give you lol thats what i used to do... thats how i got my first computer. I bought a junker store brand and fixed it up and sold it for profit lol and then i built my first real custom system.
Oh another idea for a job is you could do stuff ... like i do computer repairs and other work with electronics for people for a good bit ... i charge 50/hour for my computer work the toehr stuff depends on the task. i dont make a whole lot of money but its somethign the helps on the side whenever i do get someoen who needs help.
Uh turned 15 in February. Thats why I mentioned jobs that were somewhere in my age group, although anyone can do 'em.
It seems that I just have to save money, though. I'm good at academics and my parents want me to stick to that instead of a job. Maybe I can get payed for doing homework for others o_O, lol. :mystery:
Whats a custom system anyway? o_O I'm oblivious.
@scottind: it seems that there isn't one close to my area, but they do offer shipping on the website. I can see why you recommend it o_O. It'll just b on hold for a moment. I have the money though xD
http://shop1.frys.com/product/5340398?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG <---- is that it?
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the frys website is not so good, might as well order from newegg.com or mwave.com if youre doing online
but yeah if you do have a small amount of money, i recommend getting the following parts new-
power supply- 380w Antec or Thermaltake $40
memory- 512mb DDR2 $10
celeron 430- $40
any 775-socket Motherboard (that doesnt use SiS or S3 video chipset)- ymmv
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the frys website is not so good, might as well order from newegg.com or mwave.com if youre doing online
but yeah if you do have a small amount of money, i recommend getting the following parts new-
power supply- 380w Antec or Thermaltake $40
memory- 512mb DDR2 $10
celeron 430- $40
any 775-socket Motherboard (that doesnt use SiS or S3 video chipset)- ymmv
Listen to this man he knows what he is talking about, even thought it pains me to see the word celeron they are cheap and get the job done.
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well. These generation's celerons are VERY VERY good, they use the core2 architecture, run very cool, and is very overclockable. Honestly it's untapped power for those who know what they are.
benchmarked against the last-generation Pentium4 prescotts, these celerons beat it out in sheer performance.
you just gotta know how to use the hareware, and streamline everything else. Last year's Evo, the official Melty Box that ran all the top8 matches was a Sempron 2800 w/ 512ram.
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The new celerons use the core2 architecture, cool, must of missed out on that yeah I knew the celerons were overclockable as all get out, I still remember my friends running at over 5Ghz, lol, maybe not the best of Ideas to overclock it that much. I knew the semperons were pretty decent but I haven't heard anything about the celerons I guess I have to take a look at them again. Never liked the pentium 4 series mainly cause the G5's did a much better job on performance even though they got super hot. The core2 series is when I finally switched over to intel myself from AMDs and IBMs.
By the way get a nvidea graphics card preferably 7600 or better, possible a radeon as well im not sure if they are still good now but they were still hot a few years ago. stay away from integrated graphics they suck *trust me.
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i'd really just try to sit it out infact dont buy anyhitng untill late Q4 2008 to early 2009 because intel is releasing thier new chips and it would be a total waste to make an investment on current generation stuff. thier new processor is boasting 30% performance increas per watt compared to core 2. i strongly recomend siting on what you got now till then.
save your money up and early next year you can build a really nice system with the latest processor technology and whatever the current videocard stuff is.
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i dont think we're talking about the LATEST technology, but just what's practical. Running melty, internet, word processing, basic stuff for a 15-yo. we're talking bang-for-your-buck (with very little buck), not performance-per-watt. if you can find "new chips" for $~40, then id say sure why not.
It's already a socket775, thats enough futureproofing already.
By the way get a nvidea graphics card preferably 7600 or better, possible a radeon as well im not sure if they are still good now but they were still hot a few years ago. stay away from integrated graphics they suck *trust me.
i'm assuming a lot here, but he probably does not have the money for a 7600, and if hes digging through P3 era stuff, then the videocard he currently has doesn't surpass what integrated video offers (gf7100,intel945+), i mean most of the people who play melty at the tournaments play on laptops. And that's all integrated video right there.
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It's already a socket775, thats enough futureproofing already.
No it not, Intel is changing sockets Q4 08.
The most cost effective thing to do would be to buy a better PCI video card especialy if you just want to play MB and dont do much else(and dont have the money to buy something good).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131082
nothing amazing but cheap and a great upgrade from a card that wont play MB.
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i dont think we're talking about the LATEST technology, but just what's practical. Running melty, internet, word processing, basic stuff for a 15-yo. we're talking bang-for-your-buck (with very little buck), not performance-per-watt. if you can find "new chips" for $~40, then id say sure why not.
It's already a socket775, thats enough futureproofing already.
By the way get a nvidea graphics card preferably 7600 or better, possible a radeon as well im not sure if they are still good now but they were still hot a few years ago. stay away from integrated graphics they suck *trust me.
i'm assuming a lot here, but he probably does not have the money for a 7600, and if hes digging through P3 era stuff, then the videocard he currently has doesn't surpass what integrated video offers (gf7100,intel945+), i mean most of the people who play melty at the tournaments play on laptops. And that's all integrated video right there.
Ohh I know I have an integrated video card as well, I just have so many random problems with windows apps because of it, they arn't that expensive $50 + $5 shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500031
I know its being sold by NVidea but it is there basic design.
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i think you and I are thinking on very different scales here.
When 4Q 2008 comes, and new Intel sockets arrive, no one but hardcore enthusiasts are going to buy them. BECAUSE 1) It's probably not gonna hit mainstream usage for another year, or more because of Core2's success. 2) No one will buy DDR3 memory because DDR2 is still good, and dirt cheap.
in the meantime- LGA775 already has so many multi-core options available. But that's already thinking out of anyone's price range.
And what will happen to LGA775 in 08 and 09? It'll still be here, because no one here, especially the OP, is planning on playing Crysis at 60FPS.
btw
radeonHD 2xxx series are utter shit. DO NOT buy them. Go for the 34xx series, cheaper, faster, cooler. you can't argue Cost Effective when youre recommending a cheap video card, and unreleased Intel socket.
like i said- INTEGRATED VIDEO = $0 = Cost Effective
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Intergrated video is nothing incomparison to a dedicated chip no matter how cheap it is. btw that was one of the cheapest readeons i saw so No, 3000 series is not cheaper than the 2000 series and Yes, 2000 Series is garbage but so is the 3000 series now. but were looking at what is cheap for someone who doesnt have money, so thats a good investment or you recomend buying a new board and processor and ram which will cost more than that.
Q2 09 isnt a whole year away from Q4 08. Smart people looking to upgrade their PC's will buy into it because it would be the best/wisest investment of money, mainstream chips should also be in Q4 08 or Q1 09, there is a process shrink from 45 to 32nm but much like the C2D shrink it wont be logical to upgrade from a Nehalem based chip to another Nehalem chip. And really I dont really support buying outdated junk. Its allways best to buy into the newest tech especially when you are building a new system for whatever reason. BUT people who need to upgrade and cannot wait or do not want to pay to invest into the the newest tech will have no other choice but to buy older cheaper stuff but in the end they will be upgrading again later on and spending even more money than if they had just sat on it. Allways remember buying outdated computer Hardware is throwing your money away.
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wow, i specifically did not want to talk about Nehalem because it has nothing to do with what this kid wants.
i dont know who you build computers for, but i NEVER tell my clients to buy into "the newest tech" because its A WASTE OF MONEY. Early Adopters, like people who bought the iPhone for $599 are the ones that threw their money away. People who bought SATA drives in 04 threw their money away.
Just because Intel is bringing out a new socket doesnt make stuff on 775 "outdated junk".
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I don't know about crysis at full graphics but for $1000 bucks thats including a 20inch screen power supply and the other necessities you can play the game at the setting just below that and it runs real smooth like. I agree don't waste money on top of the line cause 1 year later it will be at least 1/2 the price if not lower its better just to buy $1000 compy like every 3-5 years than a $3000 every 4-7. Whats wrong about the Geforce 7600 GS?
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If you sit around and wait for the "latest hardware" you're never going to BUY new hardware, because something new will be just around the corner, so the general rule is that unless new shit is coming out within a 2-3 weeks, just buy the best for your budget. (Real way to buy a new comp, set a budget, and get the best parts for the budget, and tweak the parts for less money or more performance.)
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wow, i specifically did not want to talk about Nehalem because it has nothing to do with what this kid wants.
i dont know who you build computers for, but i NEVER tell my clients to buy into "the newest tech" because its A WASTE OF MONEY. Early Adopters, like people who bought the iPhone for $599 are the ones that threw their money away. People who bought SATA drives in 04 threw their money away.
Just because Intel is bringing out a new socket doesnt make stuff on 775 "outdated junk".
That IS why i decided to recomend a videcard instead. No money and needs an upgrade, Vid card will help. P3 is a capable processor for simple tasks theres no reason to upgrade. HELL my dedicated MB system is a P2 and runs win XP.
775 IS outdated Junk. I shouldnt have to debate with you the reasons for waiting to upgrade to Nehalem.
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775 IS outdated Junk. I shouldnt have to debate with you the reasons for waiting to upgrade to Nehalem.
really? i think i just did. why dont you read my previous posts?
you're arguing performance. i'm arguing cost-effective.
ask me again in a year; maybe i'll change my mind then.
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With the money you save buying the new stuff later, you can afford to buy 775 and then some.
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Nehalem will not only be highend but its not. I bet by Q3 09 Intel will have the market oversaturated with variants too much like the C2D market is now. Im pretty sure by 2010 intel will be pushing their 32nm verions of nehalem and the prices will be even better. In the end its still more logical to wait for the new architecture which has been my point.
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I think you might want to learn what the kid wants to do with his computer before argueing about whats best for him. buying a 300$ computer seems better if hes gonna fap to porn on it and play melty blood until he can afford something thatll run crysis 2.
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I think you might want to learn what the kid wants to do with his computer before argueing about whats best for him. buying a 300$ computer seems better if hes gonna fap to porn on it and play melty blood until he can afford something thatll run crysis 2.
I don't even want to think what the specs are going to be for a compy to be able to run Crysis 2.
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I think you might want to learn what the kid wants to do with his computer before argueing about whats best for him. buying a 300$ computer seems better if hes gonna fap to porn on it and play melty blood until he can afford something thatll run crysis 2.
If thats all he wants to do theres no real reason for him to buy more than a videocard. Admittenly i have gone off topic :-\
Crysis 2 lol . . . :'(
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by 2010, i'm pretty sure no one will be playing MBAC anymore. what a great way to end the topic of discussion.
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by 2010, i'm pretty sure no one will be playing MBAC anymore. what a great way to end the topic of discussion.
Duh cause MBAA will be out, proably with hardly and graphical change from MBAC too. Personally I buy at 3 different levels
lv1(Im poor as hell)$300-$500: your only options are outdated parts and using your old monitor but this is all cool as long as you just want to play 2D games older shooters, and some TBS and some RPGs, surf the web and use email and stuff. Second option is to get some wacky tiny linux laptop that uses a solid state harddrive these are 100% amazing for non-gamers. <--- I had one of these it was pretty cool
lv2(what I ussally get) $900-$1200: can play anything on the market today, yes even Crysis, at high graphics too. You can even get a pretty amazing laptop for that price as well check my previous post, the one with linky.
lv3(I like to burn money or I am a graphics designer): $2000-$3000, can play anything out on the market next year, if it can't its cause you got a really nice tablet PC cause you are a graphics designer or something and thats cool.
anything more than that and its for your job or you are rich and way way way too spoiled or your an idiot.
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I'd be past LV3 lol but it was overtime and it was mostly on Harddrives, Gotta have safe storage for my music and anime and nothing beats a good RAID 6 setup. X_X a good RAID controler costs more than a "lv2" system X_X
Workstation Graphics cards cost more than lv3 systems but i guess a pc designed for that would fall under "for job" even if you do it for a hobby.
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I'd be past LV3 lol but it was overtime and it was mostly on Harddrives, Gotta have safe storage for my music and anime and nothing beats a good RAID 6 setup. X_X a good RAID controler costs more than a "lv2" system X_X
Workstation Graphics cards cost more than lv3 systems but i guess a pc designed for that would fall under "for job" even if you do it for a hobby.
You mean you didn't follow the shit-ton DvD strat with them labeled disk 1,2,3,4... then crypic abrivations on them, and on your computer have a giant text file that has a description of whats on every disk.
Im starting to this only have like 1TB so far, small in comparision to my one friends 14TB of anime wtf, I didn't know there were over 60 animes that started with the letter A.
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I think you might want to learn what the kid wants to do with his computer before argueing about whats best for him. buying a 300$ computer seems better if hes gonna fap to porn on it and play melty blood until he can afford something thatll run crysis 2.
Not much of a porn person, but whatever xD. :fap:
Basically I just want something better than what I have now. My PC is fine, but if MBAA is coming out, dammit, lol.
All I do on this pc is do school assignments, surf the web, chat, make art, and play games. That's pretty much it... I think. I have a few games... Melty, uh... halo 1 xD, stepmania, etc.. As you can see, I'm not much of a serious PC gamer, but I'm fine. I don't need something that will let me play Crysis (although that would be satisfying). I'm saying this because I'm putting into consideration that I don't have as much money as maybe... most/all of you on this thread.
(Let's see... I'm looking at dxdiag and System Properties, and it says my Processor is Intel(R) Celeron (TM) CPU 1300MHz, 256 RAM... 1.29GHz :-[
and my video card is pathetic. RADEON 7000. >:( ) DAMN :(
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Sakurazaki-
what city do you live in?
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I'd be past LV3 lol but it was overtime and it was mostly on Harddrives, Gotta have safe storage for my music and anime and nothing beats a good RAID 6 setup. X_X a good RAID controler costs more than a "lv2" system X_X
Workstation Graphics cards cost more than lv3 systems but i guess a pc designed for that would fall under "for job" even if you do it for a hobby.
You mean you didn't follow the shit-ton DvD strat with them labeled disk 1,2,3,4... then crypic abrivations on them, and on your computer have a giant text file that has a description of whats on every disk.
Im starting to this only have like 1TB so far, small in comparision to my one friends 14TB of anime wtf, I didn't know there were over 60 animes that started with the letter A.
Nahhhh lol i like to be organized. Anime is burned and labled by Series name and on HDD they are split up between 4 completed anime folders and one incomplete anime folder. There are LOADS of anime series out there lol you should check out ANN sometimes, thats actualy what i do when im looking for something new. i definately have to reorganize it ive updated some series with HD verions and and also bought some DVD's for some so those fansubs gotta be tossed and replaced with my own rips.
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Sakurazaki-
what city do you live in?
that seemed random...
what for?
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too late riverside ^_^
you do seem near where the rest of us in socal melty are
you should hit up AI
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ROFL, dammit. :D
AI?
Who the whatta?
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http://www.yelp.com/biz/arcade-infinity-rowland-heights
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...Okay, explain to me again how this thread went from discussing Melty's minimum requirements to computer power levels?
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...Okay, explain to me again how this thread went from discussing Melty's minimum requirements to computer power levels?
It's over nine thousa--- *shot*
I think the topic creator wanted to know what are the optimum specs a gaming computer could have with minimal expenditure.
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Free.
Go to your local library and hijack one of the computers.
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Free.
Go to your local library and hijack one of the computers.
get two 4Gb flash drives of fun 2 should be about $12-20 each if they are on sale
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i think the topic creator thinks i'm a rapist
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i think the topic creator thinks i'm a rapist
Just tell him you will give him this coupon
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i think the topic creator thinks i'm a rapist
Maybeh u are o_O.
Well you certainly scared me <_<
One free internet? Sign me up, plz.
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get a cheap video card that meets mb requirements
as rayza said
save up money and determine how much you want to save up. as the months and years go by, you should have at least enough to build a computer that's considered decent by that time but godlike in the past
hopefully your budget will be able to get you a pc good enough to play
DIABLO III, FUCK YEAH!!!
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The next upcoming epic game. :fap:
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Starcraft II is next. :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: