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Offline Ultima66

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MBAA Guard Bar
« on: May 17, 2009, 03:06:55 AM »
Crescent and Full have 4500 guard bar. Half moon has 7000. I am definitely sure about Half, might be off by 100 for Crescent/Full (I counted 4700 damage after a small break where we accidentally let the guard bar go back up a bit, so 4500 should be right).

At least this was tested on Full/Half. As far as I can tell, Crescent looks exactly like Full in terms of Guard Bar length, and I didn't test how weakening guard bar worked or how much EX Guard healed.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 10:59:40 AM »
Excellent work Ultima.  Wtf at H having assloads more guard bar though.  With that and their bullshit guard bunker...it's gonna be hard to ever see a guard break on any H players.  =\ 

Keep us updated if you manage to test out weakening and EX Guarding!
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 04:16:38 PM »
Quote from: LoliSauce on May 17, 2009, 10:59:40 AM
Excellent work Ultima.  Wtf at H having assloads more guard bar though.  With that and their bullshit guard bunker...it's gonna be hard to ever see a guard break on any H players.  =\ 

Keep us updated if you manage to test out weakening and EX Guarding!
Too bad it doesn't matter when Full Maids do airtight blockstrings that are a guaranteed guard break since Half can't EX Guard. EX Flametongue and 150% Blood Ring also destroy guard bar, and so do a lot of F Arc specials, but F Arc isn't as easy to EX Guard. F Wara also has a free meaty 2C 22A 236C that's airtight and does over 3000 if you don't EX Guard the fireball.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 04:58:15 PM »
I have a question, what is Ex-guard? Is it the same as instant blocking in GG?
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2009, 12:40:51 AM »
Oh shit, I forgot H can't EX Guard!  Nevermind my previous statement.

And yeah, EX Guard is basically a perfectly timed guard.  Its only purpose is to refill the guard bar, but it refills it quite a large amount.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2009, 01:13:59 AM »
How long do you get stunned for after a guard break?  I just remember it as being long enough to reset from your blockstring to another combo.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2009, 03:10:00 AM »
Quote from: Yotsuyoru on May 18, 2009, 01:13:59 AM
How long do you get stunned for after a guard break?  I just remember it as being long enough to reset from your blockstring to another combo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PSyjxgp40&feature=related 3:49

This long apparently. Perhaps this only applies to H-Moon.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2009, 05:09:37 AM »
there will ever be strategies to guard break the opponent?

i also noticed something strange (H-Moon) that it might be not true: when you shield, but your shield doesn't collide with an hit, the guard bar becomes of another color, and weaker too
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 07:53:06 AM »
there already is Van, Fmaids and Fwarc are testament to that.

Whiff Shields and Whiff Dodges both reduce the level of your guard bar.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2009, 08:31:35 AM »
Is it only whiff shields?  At one point I saw C form shield successfully and it still went down.  Maybe because they only got a normal shield instead of an EX shield, but I don't really remember if they got norm or ex vers.  I didn't realize that evading lowers it as well.

Also it seems that guard break lasts about a full second.
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 09:22:43 AM »
Anyone know if the color of you guard bar has any effect on the stun time?
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Re: MBAA Guard Bar
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 11:46:43 AM »
Quote from: Van_Artic on May 18, 2009, 05:09:37 AM
there will ever be strategies to guard break the opponent?
F Wara fireballs are meant to guard break, F Maids have mostly airtight constant blockstring that needs to be bunkered or you have to take a hit to get out.

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i also noticed something strange (H-Moon) that it might be not true: when you shield, but your shield doesn't collide with an hit, the guard bar becomes of another color, and weaker too
Dodging weakens guard bar color, and shielding. EX Shielding does not. Half Moon/Full Moon can never EX Shield so when they shield it will always weaken their guard bar.

Quote from: Irysa on May 18, 2009, 07:53:06 AM
there already is Van, Fmaids and Fwarc are testament to that.

Whiff Shields and Whiff Dodges both reduce the level of your guard bar.
Doesn't need to be whiff. All Dodges and normal Shields reduce guard bar. If you actually land a shield it might reduce less guard bar than if you whiff it though.

Quote from: LoliSauce on May 18, 2009, 08:31:35 AM
Is it only whiff shields?  At one point I saw C form shield successfully and it still went down.  Maybe because they only got a normal shield instead of an EX shield, but I don't really remember if they got norm or ex vers.  I didn't realize that evading lowers it as well.

Also it seems that guard break lasts about a full second.
That would be normal. C/F Guard bar also weakens much slower than H. Two airdodges in Half and it already starts turning red. I think if Half does one dodge and one shield it instantly turns bright red. You can airdodge all day with Crescent and your guard bar will just go gray/blue.

Quote from: Zaelar on May 18, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
Anyone know if the color of you guard bar has any effect on the stun time?
I don't think so. Guard Break might also not be a set time and could be like Stun in most games where rotation the stick reduces the time.
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