MBAA Reverse Beats

[COD3player]

I've noticed that reverse beats carry a lot of the same properties as they did in MBAA, but now they seem to have added new conditions on top of those. In MBAC, a reverse beat was as simple as chaining into a move that uses a weaker button strength. In MBAA, this is not always the case. Consider the following cases:

Case #1: Crescent Ciel/Akiha - 4C > 2C.

Back in MBAC, the game did not label this as a reverse beat, and it's pretty obvious why. 4C chained into 2C does not involve canceling into an attack of a weaker button strength (A or B). But in MBAA, the game recognizes this as a reverse beat even if you chain into another C attack. I'm not exactly sure why, but this also applies to B and A command normals as well (ie. chaining into another attack of the same button strength from a command normal).

Case #2: Half Ciel - 6AAA > 4[ B ]

This is a reverse beat for reasons I can't really explain. In the above string, the progression goes from A to B, so it shouldn't be a reverse beat right? So I don't understand. 4[ B ] is also a command normal. If you do any Half character's 6AAA into any B normal, the game will show a reverse beat. This does not happen if you do 6AAA into a C attack though. Why?

I'm not exactly sure how to further explain the new "rules" regarding reverse beats but it's been bugging me for some time.

[ShinShom]

in the 6AAA situation, I figured out that each one of the As, represents one strengh.... like

6A(weak)A(medium)A(Strong)

like... try to do, 6AA, 5B. U will not get reverse beat

and the directions buttons r weird yeah XD...4C to 5C is reverse Beat.... 5C, 6C isnt.. I would be good to make a chain of logic of it... who has more variety of normals?

[Ultima66]

There's 4 levels of normals in the game. When you go from a higher level to a lower level it's a reverse beat.

Level 1: 5A, 2A
Level 2: 5B, 2B, second hit of 5A 6A for half moon
Level 3: 5C, 2C, third hit of 5A 6AA for half moon, 3B, 4B, 6B
Level 4: 6C, 4C, 3C

[Tempered]

yes but if you go from 5c to a 4b. youll get a reverse beat.

[Ultima66]

yes but if you go from 5c to a 4b. youll get a reverse beat.

Yeah you're right. Apparently it counts both button and level. If you go from C to B or B to A it's always reverse beat, and if you go down a level it's a reverse beat also.

[Zaelar]

Or maybe they're just on different levels.

[LoliSauce]

Yeah, I would say there's 5 levels.

Level 1: 5A, 2A
Level 2: 5B, 2B, 5A6A (2nd hit)
Level 3: 3B, 4B, 6B
Level 4: 5C, 2C, 5A6AA (3rd hit)
Level 5: 6C, 4C, 3C

[Benny1]

And of course, don't forget your exceptions to that.

C-V.Sion 4B is on the same level as 5B/2B.

[Zaelar]

Every move in the game has it's own reverse beat rank, or whatever you want to call it, and it isn't tied to the button strength or command.

That's just a guess.

[Tempered]

The moral of the story is to learn your character.

[Pfhor]

ANOTHER NOTE.

J.C/J.B land 2A is a reverse beat for C and H IF you cancel the landing recovery (another change from MBAC is that every move has it's own specific landing recovery, and C and H can cancel this recovery) from the jumpin attack with 2A. If you link the 2A after the landing recovery has ended a reverse beat will not occur.

[judge_rl]

Comboing & Canceling (vs linking) landing recovery into a weaker attack off of a j.normal makes perfect sense for the Reverse Beat to occur. On the other hand, the stuff posted back in Sep is  

"Learn your character" ftw

edit: Benefits of Reverse Beat...

-damage scaling of course
-meter gain?