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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2011, 03:11:30 PM »
Well, if you have the meter to spark that is. It comes out as 5c if you don't.

5E = heat. 
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2011, 04:58:41 PM »
melty blood's most gdlk os:
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2011, 09:32:36 PM »
You can mash any mashable reversal option for this.  Heat probably has the highest chance of being safe if it's not specifically baited.  You can also mash heat while holding 1 which means it can be safely done in blockstrings too, whereas going for a backdash or character reversal leaves you with time spent not holding downback.

The simple way to think about when to use this is do it when you think your opponent isn't going to bait it.  Always go for it if there's a situation where it can't be baited.  Look for the hits in a combo that are more likely to be dropped, such as tightly timed links, delayed hits, or hit-confirms.  If you punish your opponent for dropping a hard combo then they may consider doing an easier, less damaging combo which gives you more effective health.


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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2011, 03:22:04 AM »
So basically this isn't a successful OS 'cos it only covers the event in which the opponent can be avoided in that gap of bad timing during a combo and not if the opponent is expecting it. Still, isn't it an okay meterless option if you don't have 100% for C-Moon, and for any other Moon that can't manual Heat for that matter?
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2011, 07:02:16 AM »
Basically, yes.

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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 05:58:07 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx3256pAVv0
At around 2:30 you can see Kusanagi doing a run up shield into a throw. I tried things out and figured you can cancel a shield's first frame into a throw. The notation is 6d~ad, you generally want to p-link this to get it to work.

The actual first frame of the shield does come out so you can parry for 1 frame and then throw. But if there is nothing to parry on that 1 frame it goes into the throw anyway. So basicly, if you parry something you get a throw, if nothing hits the 1 frame parry you still get a throw, this can be used for say parrying a meaty into a throw or dash up throw and if they poke you with something the 1f parry might parry it anyways. Of course if the move is not meaty or hit the 1f you'll probably get blown the fuck up.

Also discovered is that you can 3d 6ad which instead crouch parries for 1 frame and then throws parry or or no parry.

Were still experimenting what you can cancel the 1f shield into.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 06:15:39 AM by Adviceowl »

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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2012, 06:17:35 AM »
O.k to actually further elaborate on what is going on there.

6d~ad - the very first frame of shield cancels into throw NO MATTER WHAT as long as the throw input comes out on the next frame. This is presumably because of input leniancy in button combinations, and 5a works the same way, 6a~ad cancels will cancel the startup of 5a into a throw. You could also do this with 4d~ad

So basically you're kara canceling shield into throw.
This is what lets H-Moon and F-Moon do shields into throws.

You can test this yourself and visually see that the first frame of a shield will come out before your throw.

You can also do this off low shield with either 1 2 or 3 into 6 or 4 ad but this is slightly harder to do a low shield into the throw.

What this actually means in application - on wakeup doing this os you can actually reversal this and it will shield then throw against meaties, and if they are not attacking you, you will just throw them.

This loses to mistimed meaties or just being out of range of the throw, or just wrong shielding.

Note that this particular "feature" seems to include other macros such as dashing or dodging, but for practical application it doesn't seem as usable.

EDIT: I got blown up by adviceowl's edit. :V

Other stuff: Kara throws are actually legit. Im seraching for somem oves that get good benefit from it though. So far Fryougi 5c seems the best and increases her throw range significantly.
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2012, 06:07:36 PM »
Expanding on this, can someone test if 214D~4ABC does what I think it does?
Since :
*4D~4AB is possible and results in 1f shield -> backdash
*214ABC after shielding does 214C if you can't heat
*214ABC without shielding backdashes

I think that 214D~4ABC does a 1f shield -> backdash os with the exception that you're going into your 214 C on a successful shield. I can't confirm that at the moment since I haven't got my stick here and I can't do the input on keyboard.

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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2012, 09:33:27 PM »
Wouldn't that just bunker?

EDIT: Yeah, 214D~AD fails to throw, so I'm assuming it's the same for 214D~ABC.


This fails.


This works.

So probably the bunker can't be canceled like the shield.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 10:06:21 PM by Sacchin 22A »
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2012, 01:16:53 AM »
Ok. I wasn't sure about the bunker being not cancellable, thanks.

How about 21D~4ABC?

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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2012, 05:02:58 AM »
These ideas are kinda nice but I really can't see that OS being useful at all
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MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2012, 07:30:06 AM »
I want to test it, but going from 1D to 4ABC in one frame is hard and my execution is terrible. Timing the shield is hard enough. I don't think anyone can do this reliably.

EDIT: By the way, I just realized I didn't need to test the 214D~ABC thing, 'cause if that worked, baracancels would work.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2012, 08:17:10 AM by Sacchin 22A »
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Re: MBAA Universal Option Selects
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2012, 12:26:59 AM »
EDIT: By the way, I just realized I didn't need to test the 214D~ABC thing, 'cause if that worked, baracancels would work.

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