The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~

[Sphyra]

Basically it's like they watched Mr.P and Aware playing and decided Hisui shouldn't be doing all the crazy stuff they were doing and stripped it all away, which wouldn't really matter to you if you didn't have much interest in exploring that avenue of more unorthodox setups and mixups, but to me toward the end that was really what was keeping me interested with Hisui.

Now you all get to play basic Jin style.

[F9|Chibi]

Yeah, I agree. I really loved watching Aware's stuff too before MBAA came out.

Hell, I still find myself trying to airdash out of airthrow in hopes for a mixup at this point.

j.6B is a nasty meaty though, really deceiving~

Ah well~

[F9|Chibi]

Also I'm pretty sure 'stuff-fu' in Half Moon comes out faster then Full or Crescent.

[Sphyra]

As in faster than MBAC Hisui or C/F stuff fu is slower than it was in MBAC?

[Xie]

So, just to clarify, if you do like 5[c] midscreen

1) on block, you can't do 623c for a blockstring reset?
2) on hit, you can't do 623c to perform a combo?
3) on hit, can you do 236c into a combo?

[puKKa]

So, just to clarify, if you do like 5[c] midscreen

1) on block, you can't do 623c for a blockstring reset?
2) on hit, you can't do 623c to perform a combo?
3) on hit, can you do 236c into a combo?

O_O

[Sphyra]

Just theorizing from what I know, Chibi can probably answer better, but 623C after a 5[C] should still allow you to pressure or combo, except that instead of giving you that bouncing back and forth between you and the dust game, you'd have to use the short period of hitstun that the dust traps your opponent with to run at them and continue your offensive forward.

[puKKa]

Just theorizing from what I know, Chibi can probably answer better, but 623C after a 5[C] should still allow you to pressure or combo, except that instead of giving you that bouncing back and forth between you and the dust game, you'd have to use the short period of hitstun that the dust traps your opponent with to run at them and continue your offensive forward.

so, it's harder? but what about 236C? :/

[Sphyra]

Not harder just less rewarding. Still worth it though.

I don't see how 236C could be superior to 623C.

[puKKa]

Not harder just less rewarding. Still worth it though.

I don't see how 236C could be superior to 623C.

At further range you can connect 5[C] to 236C combo where 623C would only put them on blockstun behind a cloud.
Also, I'm not saying it's superiour, just an option

[F9|Chibi]

As in faster than MBAC Hisui or C/F stuff fu is slower than it was in MBAC?

As in faster then C/F stuff-fu. I think it might be faster then MBAC too. Can't really find out for sure though.

So, just to clarify, if you do like 5[c] midscreen

1) on block, you can't do 623c for a blockstring reset?

I wouldn't even call it a reset now. Basically if you 5C into 623C the dust will immediately knock them right back into you after one hit and push you farther away, making it impossible to continue for a 'smooth' transition to another blockstring by means of 'reseting' the entire situation / adjusting the momentum to your favor. Now they actually have ample time to jump out of the whole deal, but you can still keep them kind of locked down, just nowhere near as good (ie guaranteed safe heat activation good).

2) on hit, you can't do 623c to perform a combo?

No, dust loop is no longer viable.

3) on hit, can you do 236c into a combo?

Yes, that can still be done.

[CT_Warrior]

From this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsMm_PjplQw

It seems like her arc drive comes out slower, I used to be able to catch people while they were jumping, the arc drive barely makes it in this one.
Her throw seems to have a lot less frame advantage, not sure if anyone mentioned that already.

[Kelong]

FM Hisui is my second love (main is C-Mech, just can't get enough of Hisui!)

Why?

She's fun, challenging to play with, has a cute sister and is not broken!

F--k all your stupid/broken H-Aoko blockstring/combos, 5k H-Satsuki bnb, 6k H-Akiha bnb(without using any gauge, give 200% meter, and still puts her into advantage since she's standing and you're on the ground), whichever broken SHIT Half-Moon mode is. 

[abitofBaileys]

In my opinion, Actress Again lacks HELL of balancing. Let's hope there appears an updated version for PC after the release that improves other character's gameplay etc. It's so sad to hear that Hisui goes under.

[F9|Chibi]

It's not that the game is imbalanced, it's that most everyone in the cast now can do 5k for their bread and butters.

It just doesn't make any sense because there should be one of two ways to 'balance' a game.

You either take the stuff away that was 'too good', and leave the rest of the cast alone, which is balancing downward.

or

You give everyone else stuff that's too good so that they're all in the same boat, aka balancing upward.

The problem is that everyone got balanced upward, except for Hisui who got balanced downward. Every character got something new to work with, some new normal, slight alteration to their mbac gameplay mechanic iterations, whatever. Kohaku is a god damn monster now. Hisui got jack shit. They took away things from her that were good, but they weren't  'too good' to begin with, or even dumb, and they gave her nothing to compensate for it.

Whatever. At this point it's just sitting it out and dealing with the frustration or jumping ship to another character. The vids up now show her in half moon (what I've been rocking from the start) because it's arguably her best groove.

- Superior space control to Full Moon and Crescent. Everything she has in Full Moon is a joke. Regular chair (22A) still has the same random properties it did in mbac, so you can not rely on it completely. Sometime it will clash, sometimes it won't (why they didn't 'fix' this I don't know). Office chair is lol. Maybe there's some tricks to it, but considering that it can actually be used against you, well why bother? And EX-Throne is the same as chair, and it only absorbs two hits. Not worth it. Stuff-fu in Full Moon is also slower then it was in mbac. And then in crescent, stuff-fu is still slower then mbac, EX-bento is hardly a threat, and regular bentos are the same old shit everyone's seen 5 years and running.

Half moon wins because:

- Stuff-fu is faster then F/C grooves, and you will always get pot books and metal tray. The only area you lose out on is that you lose single pot, but considering that single pot is slower now, half moon is the better choice.

- Footstools are beast. While they're much smaller then chair / throne, they will ALWAYS clash, and that makes all the difference in the world. You can NOT poke with a footstool infront of you because that Hisui player is going to make you hurt for it. And the best part is that you can have four of them on screen at once. That's crazy.

- And of course, with having pot books, and footstools everywhere, you can still put bentos out to be the annoying disturbance they've always been.

Noone even does the j.bb tech punishes anymore from what I can tell, and I don't know if they nerfed her 4B yet either (I hope not, but they probably did).

All in all, is she still viable? Yeah, of course. She can still win and be scary. You can just get it done alot quicker and easier with everyone else in the game.

;p

[Numakie]

I tried Half moon Hisui once... I felt so dirty... It will be Full Moon All the way for me. 

[F9|Chibi]

I tried Half moon Hisui once... I felt so dirty... It will be Full Moon All the way for me. 

Have fun losing / not being threatening in the slightest?

If you find anything remotely interesting / noteworthy, let us I know I guess.

 

[CT_Warrior]

I do not see why people are not using jBB tech punish!
WHY?!

This can make or break Hisui for me.
I mean, if she can't control which direction she lands after airthrow anymore, and jBB is bad for whatever reason, then.. :/

Bah.. it's still in the game, even if no one else uses it, I will!

[F9|Chibi]

Yeah, that's been something that I can't understand either.

At first I thought it was regulated to just people who were new to the game or what have you, but even the likes of Jin isn't bothering with it.

From the sparse amount of times I've seen it implemented I don't think it doesn't work, but there has to be something we're missing here, I just can't figure out what.

They could be giving her another run over like they did with her mb:ac form evolving (who started out the same, then went to doing 2b 2b for tech punishing, and then eventually lead to 5a2c).

Who knows?

 

[Benny1]

I've seen lots of people using j.BB type stuff, with her new bnb.  I haven't really seen any succesful punishing, but I've seen something like
Launcher j.[C] j.B land j.B dj.CBB punish setup.

[Numakie]

I think i forever tainted my MBAC hisui for learning FM....

Some standard FM BnB's and experimental combo's I'm playing with.

2A, 2B, 2C, 3C, 3C, j, jA, jB, j, jB, jC, throw.
..., 2C, "Multi Sachel" (236B), "Sachel Launcher" (236B), j, jA, jB, j, jB, jC, Throw
..., 2C, 3C, 3C, "Frying Pan/broom upper" (623B(A)), j, jC, j, jB, jC, throw.
..., 2C, "Multi Sachel" (236B), "Sachel Launcher" (236B), j, Charged jC, "Air Sachel" j236A OR j236C (B is too slow i think)

I'm also having fun with her Air dust (j.6B), though im sad that it's only a 1 delayed hit that can be interrupted.

It is a tramagy but I'm having lots of fun learning her.  xD

[CT_Warrior]

I propose this for the new aircombo side select:

jBC ad dj jAC/BC airthrow


It should be a lot easier in MBAA because most aircombos got a lot easier.

EDIT:
And btw, halfmoon doesn't have jBB, does it?

[F9|Chibi]

No, it does not.

[Numakie]

i found out that the multi sachel for FM Hisui can be use as a decently reliable tech punish. Just catch them in a multisacchel and launch them with the b follow up.

[F9|Chibi]

Numakie, find out for me if there's any changes to her 4B (hell just tell me what happens when you use it).