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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2009, 03:23:40 PM »
Numakie, find out for me if there's any changes to her 4B (hell just tell me what happens when you use it).

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Ya speaking of her watering can ehh...
Apparently you can hold down B to make the watering can go.. for like a whole 1.5 seconds!! :prinny:

When i tested it randomly, it seems it reduces meter for .5 second ticks if you hold it: One when you trip em with the water, and the other when they're lying helplessly on the floor and getting soaked with more of her scrumptious water.  I believe each tick removes 30%, like her MBAC incarnation.  Assuming that the max ticks is 3 and if the opponent feels like getting soaked, i would imagine 90% at most. 

Unfortunately I don't know the exact amount of ticks or the exact length of time you can hold it.  I'ma do more tests now...

(Edit:  Tests done.  Crossed off incorrect areas to avoid confusion. See the following post from me.)
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 12:03:26 PM by Numakie »
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2009, 10:15:54 PM »
I'll have to go back and test it on our PRE VER.A cab to see how much it takes so I can compare.

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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2009, 11:07:36 PM »
I went back to do further testing with FM Hisui's 4B.  I did these tests against another FM Hisui... :mystery: This is on Ver. A btw.

*Her 4b Water Can can be held for up to 2 seconds.
  -Up to 5 ticks of meter draining can be done within the 2 seconds, assuming that the opponent feels like getting soaked for that long.
  -Each tick removes 15% of meter and takes away a small amount of the opponents life, regardless of if they're blocking or not.
  -The watercan can be chained after a standing/crouching B  
  -You can't kill with the watercan alone.

*Only the 1st tick can trip the opponent and only if they're standing.
  -Tripping with the water can does not grant the opponent any meter.
  -Holding B after tripping with the can will grant up to 2 ticks before they get up.  This means up to 3 ticks can be obtained with this method.
  -An opponent tripped with the watercan can be OTG'd.

*It is possible to do 1 tick of watercan after a standing throw (hold back after her throw for about 1/2 a seconds and then use the water can.)

I also played around further and found out that her special moves, excluding her stuff-fu and (i think) her chair, can be empty canceled into her EX's and her Last Arc.  This also includes her multi-satchel in the ground and air, though the only move you can cancel into in the air is her EX multi-satchel.

Hope you guys found this interesting.
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2009, 03:10:07 AM »
I just found out that Cresent Moon Hisui's multi-sachel 236-b follow up launcher can be followed up with an air combo....

You don't know how excited this makes me feel....... :fap:
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2009, 08:11:02 PM »
Not sure if you guys have already seen this, but this Hisui player does an interesting air loop at 6:45 and again around 7:30... Looks like you can cancel j.bb knockdown into j.236a for a relaunch? http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6868759
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2009, 12:11:12 AM »
Not sure if you guys have already seen this, but this Hisui player does an interesting air loop at 6:45 and again around 7:30... Looks like you can cancel j.bb knockdown into j.236a for a relaunch? http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6868759

!!!!

I'm gonna practice that.....
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2009, 12:55:37 AM »
Take this as you will. Mr. Protoprae is playing Full Moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsVy2tgQU-o

EDIT: He's definitely taking advantage of the one thing F really has over other styles, which is 623 series as strong antiair and a dp that will actually work on wakeup that Hisui has never had.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2009, 01:00:11 AM by Ultima66 »

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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2009, 11:56:41 PM »
oooo. Ladder @ corner = extended combo.....

sweetness  :fap:
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2009, 07:31:42 PM »
Here's a recent vid of Jin laying the smackdown -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFzXNN_nmYc&feature=channel_page

I wish I could point out something worthwhile, but it's all stuff we've seen done at this point.

Just solid play I guess.
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2009, 03:16:56 AM »
best C-Hisui i'd seen in AA until now

too bad he doesn't do that combo where there's the loop cancel j.BB with j.236A/B
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2009, 10:27:50 PM »
Finally get to see that 6AA combo in action (towards the end of the video, 7:00+).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlSJJyx9i0&feature=channel_page

What is exactly, 2A/5A, 6A, 6A, ??
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2009, 11:50:53 AM »
It looks like 5A2C techpunish works on Akiha now.
She has a cooler OTG string, and a j[C] combo.

I'm a bit surprised. He uses j236B. I thought I was the only one!
The dustloop changes aren't exactly as bad of a nerf as I thought. At least it works better in the corner. I think ex bento has its uses as well, though it is a bit of a disappointment.

Same old Hisui. But half-moon and full-moon are pretty different.

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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2009, 11:35:01 AM »
Yay for the a-cho blog providing player names

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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2009, 10:41:46 PM »
Thanks Psy, extremely helpful.

Who wants to help me figure out the notation for the H-Hisui bnb involving 6AA after 2C?

It's the first combo I'd like to get down pat next week.

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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2009, 11:46:04 AM »
Looks like 2B 5C (5A) 6AA 2C (5A) 6AA dash 5A j.ABC j.BC
It's also possible to skip the dash 5A and go straight into air combo too, feels easier too since I couldn't get the dash 5A myself.

Also for those who care C-Hisui corner j.236 loop you can see Mr.P doing is 2C 6C j.C airdash j.BB236B land j.AACBB236B land 236AA 22C
It's important to delay the 2nd hit of j.BB.

I guess I'm signed up for another Hisui subscription
« Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 07:39:02 AM by Sphyra »
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2009, 09:08:06 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, the Half Moon combo I was looking for is: 5C one hit (5B and even 6C work), 5A (whiff) 6AA, 2C, 6AA j.b, j.c, j.b, j.c airthrow. After the first 6AA it's a link to the 2C and then next set of 6AA I believe.
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2009, 11:36:03 AM »
Well I think his (5A) means whiff.
You can use any starter as long as the second 6A hits (6AA).

Sphyra's extended variation does more damage, but it's harder to execute.

My tips while practicing the combo:
1) Don't mash A too fast. Learn the right speed. It should be AA (very slight pause) A.
The main part you have to link is the second 6A, so you hit the first two 6As a bit faster than you should to buffer it, and you hit the third 6A a bit later to avoid buffering it too early.
2) It's easier for me at least if you try to avoid buffering the 6AAA too early.
3) For 2C (6A)AA, if you connect 2C too early, you can't 6AAA.
4)Connect 6A earlier than you think. You can pretty much spam it after 2C if you want.
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Re: The Tragedy That is MBAA Hisui~
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2009, 11:41:57 AM »
I just freaking realized that stools are dizzy fish. Gotta pick up hisui now :P.

By the way, Are Melty Blood and Melty Bread different games?