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Misaki Town Bakery => Kohaku's Video Room => : Rokunaya September 13, 2011, 10:12:48 AM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Hey guys! I'm trying to get a weekly streaming match analysis session going on weekly in preparation not only for the dawn of 1.05, but for all the newer players everywhere and people in my scene trying to learn. I was going to do this roughly 3 months ago, but hey, you know.. :nyoro:
Anyways with that being said, as this will be detailed match analysis, it will be mostly intended for beginners, however i feel both veterans and pros alike can benefit from this, so don't shy away from my weekly project at all if you feel that's the case. This all being said, time to get to the actual schedule/plans.
The plan at the moment is to do a streaming session every sunday possible around roughly 3-5pm EST.
This is of course, subject to change due to people's needs and my school, but I feel this is the best day at the moment. If you feel otherwise, feel free to post why and when would be better for you.
For each session I will be taking a series of matches I consider to be either high level or have alot of information people can learn from, and will be taking requests on character videos of any specific characters or matchups or any other basic questions, so feel free to request. The idea currently is to start off simple and then branch off as/if this becomes more successful, so please tune in !
Stream Location:
http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya
Current Schedule/Episodes
Episode 1 : http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya/b/295415484
http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya/b/295418192
Episode 2: http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya/b/295972775
Episode 3: http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya/b/297103245
Episode 4: http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya/b/298768710
The matches I've currently scheduled are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=famVX1L2ko8#t=9m50s
The matches/concepts requested currently are:
C-Aoko
C-Wara vs C-Nero
H-Miyako
F-Ryougi[?]
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Nice way to roll out the red carpet before the dawn of a new age so the speak. With that said, Get 'em Roku!
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Looking forward to this.
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Get em Roku!
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Uh... thanks guys?
Make requests and get back to me in the poll about what day is best for you guys damn it :nyoro:
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I saw that them there fancy You universal os' in that there funny looking phonograph. :V
BTW: Request Kyou F-Warc. I can give you some links or you can take your pick from the MB youtube channel.
Good luck on the 1st run. I'll support by watching. :teach:
-TexasTim-
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Unfortunately, Sunday at that time is one of the times I'm not available. Good luck though.
As for vids to look at I'd like to see some C-Aoko. Do you only accept youtube?
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I saw that them there fancy You universal os' in that there funny looking phonograph. :V
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/000/475/has_anynoe.jpg?1247387782)
By the way anyone is free to give me any vids from nico or youtube, though i'll say i'll honestly prefer youtube because it's faster to load and overall easier to work with.
As for requests, I was planning on taking any sort of requests, such as abstract questions like pressure and the sort, but i'll start off simple and just commentate what I consider to be good/high level match videos. Anyone's free to link me anything, but if i think the level of gameplay is mediocre i'll probably just find another vid of the player myself to try and analyze in detail.
That said, keep it coming guys, I'll update this later today and I appreciate the support quite a bit.
Edit: Tim can you send me some vids of Kyou? They're kinda hard to find good sets with him for my quick searches; either he gets bodied, or just makes some super shitty/troll decision and loses for it.
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Can't really find anything good lately, recent clearlamp danisen vids were pretty bad (mashy janson roa, boring chisui, etc), and bad gameacho set with bad players except one kaimaato part.
Those miraclein casuals were pretty good though, you should do a few of them instead of just part 5.
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I assume these will all be recorded and uploaded as well, to be viewed by melty historians years later. Also for people like me who can't be bothered to clear their schedules.
edit: Additionally Sunday afternoons is football.
edit II: +HEAT for gettin the ball rolling roku
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Tim can you send me some vids of Kyou? They're kinda hard to find good sets with him for my quick searches; either he gets bodied, or just makes some super shitty/troll decision and loses for it.
http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/29/LpHJP6Y9iHw (http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/29/LpHJP6Y9iHw) @ Start & 11:31
http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/32/FZY5GlL5bX (http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/32/FZY5GlL5bX)I @ 18:09 & 22:27
http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/37/16mstxMJjag (http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/37/16mstxMJjag) @ 50:21
http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/47/sJctT6Az1LQ (http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/47/sJctT6Az1LQ) @ 16:07
http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/46/_BoSk5hC8_E (http://www.youtube.com/meltybread#p/u/46/_BoSk5hC8_E) @ 8:21 & 13:36
I think Kyou plays a pretty solid F-Warc with just enough troll to keep people on their toes.
Fun to watch, just listen to the commentator during some of these. :laffo:
These are some of his better matches, all CC1.05.
If you don't like the level of play, weather Kyou's or the opponent's, feel free to deny my request. I just like watching F-Warc, and Kyou is the best one I've seen.
So if you feel like doing an F-Warc Ep., these are prolly the best source on the MB youtube.
-TexasTim-
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Video list updated.
Some of the scheduled vids are probably going to have to make the next session though :nyoro:
Edit:
I personally feel that Bunny F-warc in the casuals 3rd set plays really solid and doesn't really make the decisions he'll lose for against better players, check him out, i'll probably put him on stream
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You seem to be really hyped for this! Get 'em, Roku!
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I personally feel that Bunny F-warc in the casuals 3rd set plays really solid and doesn't really make the decisions he'll lose for against better players, check him out, i'll probably put him on stream
I agree, that F-Warc did good things. But the match-ups are real bad for her in that casuals set.
I'll save the discussion for your stream though, or at least till after it's done. She such great fun to play.
-TexasTim-
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Good luck on the stream Roku, I'll give it a watch. Heres a new avatar for your services.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/GreatGurrenBrigade/GetemRokucapcrop.jpg?t=1316104530)
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Good luck on the stream Roku, I'll give it a watch. Heres a new avatar for your services.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/GreatGurrenBrigade/GetemRokucapcrop.jpg?t=1316104530)
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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...well ok fine
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Good luck on the stream Roku, I'll give it a watch. Heres a new avatar for your services.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z88/GreatGurrenBrigade/GetemRokucapcrop.jpg?t=1316104530)
Godlike.
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lmao /thread
kamina wins ownership of mbread as his reward.
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rofl
back on topic: hope this goes well, i'll try to watch but not sure if i'll be around!
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This shit needs to be a movement & I mean the "Gem 'Em Roku" phrase.
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Hopefully I'll be around to see this live on Sunday, but if not, definitely looking forward to the Youtube version.
Also, I'm glad I was able to witness Roku getting 'em.
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Going live!
http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya
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The only thing that stood out to me,is that at the beginning you pointed out the general flow of the matchup(F-Arc vs C-Nero),but then you stopped doing that.
I don't know if thats you being more familiar with F-Arc matchups,but I still think you couldve just taken each of the characters apart and explaining their strengths and and weaknesses.
You dont have to go into detail on how the characters interact with each other,just explain what they do and why its good for them to do it,instead of going 'oh,this char can do that!' in the middle of the match.
These are my 2 yens.
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Use Microsoft Sam to narrate :laffo: :laffo: :laffo: :laffo:
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Sorry I missed part of your stream :-[. I was on the road and did not get back until you started doing danisen (I think it's spelled this way?) matches.
I watched the archive though, thanks for showing some F-Warc. Just to answer some things about F-Warc: :blah:
-236A is plus, only way for her to reset block strings without spending meter.
-When Kyou does otg into 421A teleport (Kyou Dance), it's to mix-up forward and (I think) neutral techs. Back techs are free neutral reset. I think he just auto pilots it, cuz its better in the corner.
-63214C cross-up or not is a gimmik block string mix-up. You have to be at extreme close range, or get hit for it to cross-up.
-236B is not plus (I think. Might be totally off base here.), but if she uses a good block string, it will leave you enough space to be safe. In general, F-Warc string/pressure ends after that special unless she EX-Cancels it. This is the way to make 623C plus on block :V. It's true that you can't disrespect it on block, but you can jump out and reset to neutral.
-TexasTim-
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What fiendmaw said.
I personally think it would be best if you had something specific you wanted to talk about when analising a certain match, handpicking it or somewhat following a script (which seems you did at first but then switched to random dan'isen). If the way you intend to conduct the "show" is for both newcomers and experienced alike, the more info you give prior to the match and just pinpoint during it (instead of noticing, pausing and going back) the better you can make it flow, without choosing one side over the other. Bottom line, maybe it would help if every session had a theme, although it depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it.
Also... why is the video window smaller than the stream window? :psyduck:
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Roku, please commentate on what's happening in the match and not just deciding every decision that leads to someone getting hit was a shitty one when you're talking about matches between players like Ten and Okaji-yo.
For Example:
F-Akiha, the character with the highest defense rating in the game, makes a tech from Hisui's air throw while in max. Her back tech is punished but the player was willing to accept this having the potential to spark or IH afterwards to gain back her health. He knew she could definitely survive this hit in the worst case scenario, and had the meter, life, and defense to back it up.
Not:
He got hit again, shitty decision. This [top Japanese player] Akiha is pretty mediocre.
If you want to do that please just commentate on American matches.
Thank you. :nyoro:
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-63214C cross-up or not is a gimmik block string mix-up. You have to be at extreme close range, or get hit for it to cross-up.
How is that a gimmick? That just means you use it at close range only so it's ambiguous.
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How is that a gimmick? That just means you use it at close range only so it's ambiguous.
I just mean that if she sets it up that way, it will always look like it should cross you up, but it will never actually cross-up. It is a visual trick. It just looks like it should be ambiguous, but if she sets it up with certain moves, 63214C will always behave the same way. Once someone knows what to look for, they can tell when it will and wont cross-up. That's what I meant. I do think it's good, just depends on the opponent.
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Roku, please commentate on what's happening in the match and not just deciding every decision that leads to someone getting hit was a shitty one when you're talking about matches between players like Ten and Okaji-yo.
For Example:
F-Akiha, the character with the highest defense rating in the game, makes a tech from Hisui's air throw while in max. Her back tech is punished but the player was willing to accept this having the potential to spark or IH afterwards to gain back her health. He knew she could definitely survive this hit in the worst case scenario, and had the meter, life, and defense to back it up.
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He got hit again, shitty decision. This [top Japanese player] Akiha is pretty mediocre.
If you want to do that please just commentate on American matches.
Thank you. :nyoro:
I'm not putting my weight behind everything Roku said, but if you can actually watch those matches and say that every decision that the akiha player made had a "top level" amount of thought behind it you are fucking stupid. Not every decision that leads to a hit is a bad one, but that akiha definitely was making bad decisions.
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Roku, please commentate on what's happening in the match and not just deciding every decision that leads to someone getting hit was a shitty one when you're talking about matches between players like Ten and Okaji-yo.
For Example:
F-Akiha, the character with the highest defense rating in the game, makes a tech from Hisui's air throw while in max. Her back tech is punished but the player was willing to accept this having the potential to spark or IH afterwards to gain back her health. He knew she could definitely survive this hit in the worst case scenario, and had the meter, life, and defense to back it up.
Not:
He got hit again, shitty decision. This [top Japanese player] Akiha is pretty mediocre.
If you want to do that please just commentate on American matches.
Thank you. :nyoro:
I'm not putting my weight behind everything Roku said, but if you can actually watch those matches and say that every decision that the akiha player made had a "top level" amount of thought behind it you are fucking stupid. Not every decision that leads to a hit is a bad one, but that akiha definitely was making bad decisions.
I'm not saying it was top level thought, I'm just saying that he was looking at his meter and health bar and made a decision. A decision that was not necessarily a shitty one. Sp00ky didn't get where he is today by talking shit about player's choices while streaming. So I asked if maybe someone wanted to COMMENTATE and not just spout out bullshit and give new players the wrong ideas.
"He made this decision because of this and this, and you can also consider this and this in this matchup." Not "Look he got hit that was dumb." Let the viewer decide what they would of done in that situation. You can do good commentary without talking shit about the players, even if they're bad (which they definitely aren't in this case). Less shit talk, more commentating. If you really want it to be something useful to the community, that is.
I thought this thread was about DETAILED ANALYSIS LIVE STREAMING SESSIONS. Meaning, even if they're not thinking on the highest possible level, you have to be while streaming.
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How is that a gimmick? That just means you use it at close range only so it's ambiguous.
I just mean that if she sets it up that way, it will always look like it should cross you up, but it will never actually cross-up. It is a visual trick. It just looks like it should be ambiguous, but if she sets it up with certain moves, 63214C will always behave the same way. Once someone knows what to look for, they can tell when it will and wont cross-up. That's what I meant. I do think it's good, just depends on the opponent.
Oh no.. not this shit again.
If the fact that it wasn't top level didn't matter, why did you even mention it? It obviously meant something. It seemed like to me that you were insinuating that his commentary was ridiculous because it was about a mythical top level Japanese player. I heard they can all play seven instruments and use a language with like five million kanjis.
I don't see how anything Sp00ky did is relevant to what Roku was trying to do with this video.
There was stuff that wasn't perfect and needs to be worked on as far as the commentary goes but it was definitely a decent start.
Is it possible for you to say things that don't come across as snide bullshit?
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How is that a gimmick? That just means you use it at close range only so it's ambiguous.
I just mean that if she sets it up that way, it will always look like it should cross you up, but it will never actually cross-up. It is a visual trick. It just looks like it should be ambiguous, but if she sets it up with certain moves, 63214C will always behave the same way. Once someone knows what to look for, they can tell when it will and wont cross-up. That's what I meant. I do think it's good, just depends on the opponent.
Oh no.. not this shit again.
If the fact that it wasn't top level didn't matter, why did you even mention it? It obviously meant something. It seemed like to me that you were insinuating that his commentary was ridiculous because it was about a mythical top level Japanese player. I heard they can all play seven instruments and use a language with like five million kanjis.
I don't see how anything Sp00ky did is relevant to what Roku was trying to do with this video.
There was stuff that wasn't perfect and needs to be worked on as far as the commentary goes but it was definitely a decent start.
Is it possible for you to say things that don't come across as snide bullshit?
Have my children.
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Komidol, this argument you are making would be a more valid one if you didn't end your first post with "If you want to do that just commentate American matches :nyoro: :nyoro: :nyoro: :nyoro:"
Analysis in general has plenty of judgements about player decisions. Roku is giving his opinion about what decisions are bad, and perhaps he should go into more detail about WHY they are bad and such but there is nothing wrong with what he is doing.
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Don't be biased. That is all.
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Roku, one of the newer members that plays C-Wara where I live asked me about the C-Wara vs Nero (Any moon) match-up.
I'm not sure what to tell him, but I can put in a request for that.
I don't have any match footage right now, but I'll try and search some out.
-TexasTim-
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Roku, one of the newer members that plays C-Wara where I live asked me about the C-Wara vs Nero (Any moon) match-up.
I'm not sure what to tell him, but I can put in a request for that.
I don't have any match footage right now, but I'll try and search some out.
-TexasTim-
I'm not too detailed about this matchup in particular, but i have a pretty good idea how both characters work. I'll ask around and fish for videos and get back to you on this.
If I had to make an early judgement I'd say its probably 6-4 Cnero though... I'll wait and see til I can figure out the details and such
Edit: After talking to Tonberry he confirmed that this matchup is an absolute nightmare for C-Wara, and I can see why. Probably one of his worst matchups in the game.
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Ah.. I forgot to write this...
I think that maybe you should play the match straight through the first time around with just some light commentary and then go back through a match and break down key decisions.
All the pausing was a bit distracting. For me at least.
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Ah.. I forgot to write this...
I think that maybe you should play the match straight through the first time around with just some light commentary and then go back through a match and break down key decisions.
All the pausing was a bit distracting. For me at least.
That's a pretty good idea. I'll try doing this next time.
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I think it would be helpful if you went into more detail on how characters' moves work, e.g. for Chaos, you could explain what his deer does, what the A and B versions look like, what his EX crows do, why he would use it, etc.
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I think it would be helpful if you went into more detail on how characters' moves work, e.g. for Chaos, you could explain what his deer does, what the A and B versions look like, what his EX crows do, why he would use it, etc.
Fair enough, I did do my stream assuming you knew a decent bit of what's going on, I can pause and go into closer detail next time, no problem.
That said, I have an idea I want to pitch, and I want honest opinions. For the first matches I commentated between F-Arc/C-Nero, I feel this would be of great use, but I'm not sure if it'll be too silly to actually do, so here I am asking.
How would you guys feel if I used markers sometimes in this sort of fashion?
(http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/madden2.gif)
:nyoro:
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Rokumaddenya 2011!
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I'd say use whatever tool you want if it helps achieve your goal.
Hard to say if it will be too silly before I see it. Just use your own judgment on what is 'silly'.
I can see how it could be useful. Just try it out and see if the lines actually do what you want without being too much of a distraction.
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Missed the live, but caught the archive. My perspective is from a beginner view as well.
1. Plan out the matches you want to discuss beforehand, ask people what they want to see during the week and find matches on those subjects. If you do take match request while live that is fine too, but keep a few matches that are already planned out. Try to watch the matches beforehand and write down the time's of moments that you want to go back to so you're not skipping around so much.
2. Let the matches play out first then go back to moments you felt were noteworthy and explain why this was good or this was bad in detail (not too much detail). Like Greg said the pausing was distracting.
3. I like the salt because it adds a comedy element to the show, but explain why some things are salt inducing rather than saying "This character is stupid", "This character does what he/she wants", "This character should be banned". If you don't do that it just sounds like you're hating (nothing new though) and being biased, this makes new players think that the character is just cheap and they shouldn't play them or the reverse effect.
4. Like mostly everything that is new, you have to assume the players watching are mostly new (you did say this was to help RK as well) and don't know much about what is going on. For the most part you did good on that, but sometimes you lost me because you were too brief and just said "That was a shitty decision", I as new player don't know why that was a shitty decision.
5. Madden play by play, do that shit. It will solve the above problem.
All in all I liked it and thought it was informative.
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So when I did this I was completely unbiased and explained most things in depth?
Cool. 8-)
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Roku, one of the newer members that plays C-Wara where I live asked me about the C-Wara vs Nero (Any moon) match-up.
I'm not sure what to tell him, but I can put in a request for that.
I don't have any match footage right now, but I'll try and search some out.
-TexasTim-
If the Nero doesn't know what he's doing the following advice is useful
- 2b AA
- Akiha summon AA/mid range poke
- Tornados/Nanaya summon to keep him off the ground
- Dash 2c
If the Nero knows what he's doing the following advice is useful
- Pick a different character
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Thanks for the responses, I'll find some footage soon. Just swamped with school work right now. Give me a couple of days.
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I watched the first archive, and thought it was fairly informative. I'm a really new player, so there's still a lot I don't know, but I'm not sure by how much you want to cater it towards my audience. Personally, I'd appreciate, when you say somebody's going for a certain reset, what the options are for both players on both sides. It might take a while, but I imagine you'd only need to do it once or twice per match/matchup (as the resets are often used multiples times).
Also, I'd like to request any sort of V-Akiha play to be commentated. I would offer footage, but my opinion is probably not that valid when it comes to what is really high level play or what an interesting matchup is.
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http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/pro-gaming Zaelar, I nominate you to be a pro-gaming star.
Also the only thing this missed was that the game has to be competitive/good enough to actually be played so we don't get tragedies a'la MvC3.
Makes a lot of good points. I remember watching an old Day9 stream about what made commentary good, and a lot of came down to explaining why things were important and exciting in Starcraft. FG's can learn from this. We should look forward to taking these sorts of things into consideration when promoting events and uploading matches in the future.
But Roku, this is along the lines of what I was talking about. If you really want to be serious about this, that is. Don't freestyle, come up with points and other features before hand.
For the first few videos, if you want to use the madden-like style that's fine, but look for styles to build on your own from the start.
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Hey guys, keep the feedback coming and more requests. Video links and the sort would be appreciated since I'm looking pretty busy today and a good part of tomorrow, and won't really be able to spend much time organizing until Saturday/Sunday itself.
Still thinking about doing the 'madden-ya' thing, I'll get back to you all on that.
P.S.: Thanks for the advice Komidol but I'll keep doing what I feel is right.
Edit:
Looking at the poll again, Saturday/Sunday are looking really even here.
Should I take the poll again and see what everyone else thinks, or keep doing these sunday? Most days of the weekend are out so if I remake the poll it'd be Saturday/Sunday.
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This session will be postponed 30m-45m or so. And will be far shorter.
I'm sorry guys but I was pretty busy this week with Eight on the Break and school stuff. I'll look for more matches and the sort next week. :nyoro:
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Going Live!
www.twitch.tv/Rokunaya
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Did you do a Warakia analysis yet?
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I can make him a key element in the next streaming session, just recommend some vids and request him, I'll get ehrik/Tonberry to link me some good vids as well.
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Just wanted to say I enjoyed watching this (just went over the saved stream). Keep up the good work!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO0Z0QPhXng&t=2m10s Good example of Highspeed neutral, even though he loses in the end they're still good matches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwxsyu-Xbrs&t=2m20s Good example of what Cmech match is like. Little better in CC 1.00 cause her dmg was reduced but still kind of tough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ISlf4T518 Kind of shows why fighting len is kind of ass for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qPizSYBgxQ&t=5m43s Taka wara, used to play wara like nanaya but hes gotten a lot better since then. I still think Highspeed's neutral is the best, but Taka has better pressure/oki IMO. (tends to mash more though). Taka also tends to be more aggressive, but find the style that suits you best qpunch.
I'll try to find more later. Probably more Taka, since his recent videos from now to 6 months ago are pretty good.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3EgJGZaQBM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB8B161875AECC814
High Speed (C-Wara) vs Yuu (C-Sion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9NXIJa-pdU&feature=related
Takashi (C-Wara) vs. Zakuro (H-VSion)
This is all I could find.
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
I don't know any specific gdlk player names for Hmiyako, but she's been played a lot recently so it shouldn't be too hard to find some footage--- However for Fryougi, there's only one I'll ever review, ever. Leo's.
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
I don't know any specific gdlk player names for Hmiyako, but she's been played a lot recently so it shouldn't be too hard to find some footage--- However for Fryougi, there's only one I'll ever review, ever. Leo's.
Let's have it. I'd like to know why people only approve of his F-Ryougi.
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
I don't know any specific gdlk player names for Hmiyako, but she's been played a lot recently so it shouldn't be too hard to find some footage--- However for Fryougi, there's only one I'll ever review, ever. Leo's.
Let's have it. I'd like to know why people only approve of his F-Ryougi.
"Don't let looks deceive you, I've already live for several hundred years, it's time I rest awhile."
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
I don't know any specific gdlk player names for Hmiyako, but she's been played a lot recently so it shouldn't be too hard to find some footage--- However for Fryougi, there's only one I'll ever review, ever. Leo's.
Let's have it. I'd like to know why people only approve of his F-Ryougi.
Actually plays the game.
...Simplest way for me to put it, really... he doesn't roll his head all over the arcade stick and actually plays the game.
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Requesting vids cause I want to.
H-Miyako please.
And maybe F-Ryougi, maaaaaaybeeee.
I don't know any specific gdlk player names for Hmiyako, but she's been played a lot recently so it shouldn't be too hard to find some footage--- However for Fryougi, there's only one I'll ever review, ever. Leo's.
Let's have it. I'd like to know why people only approve of his F-Ryougi.
Actually plays the game.
...Simplest way for me to put it, really... he doesn't roll his head all over the arcade stick and actually plays the game.
I'm not going to be pleased if I go look up vids and see the same shit everyone else does but it's okay because it's Leo.
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Dude I said Okaji, a jp top player was making shitty decisions. I could give less of a fuck how supposedly good someone behind the character is, the only way to do it is to judge the actual gameplay and decisions directly.
In that regard, Leo blocks, demonstrates space control, relies very little on gimmicks, doesn't mash like an asshole and hope his retarded normals win, knows many of his own options and his opponents and plays accordingly instead of just flying across the screen like a madman. Even some JP top players rated only Leo's Fryougi as top tier because he is supposedly the only Fryougi that actually plays her that way, and in my honest opinion, that's the way she's meant to be played, but the problem is that it's just easy to cross your fingers and play dumb with her with her numerous gimmicks and dumb normals.
Here's a match example I would do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=famVX1L2ko8#t=9m50s
Leo and You both realize their lame styles and how they can't simply run at each other, and play accordingly and respectfully for the most part. Any other Fryougi i've tried to honestly watch hasn't demonstrated or even hinted such behavior.
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What I think would be nice in future streams is a small section of your time dedicated to answering questions from people in the chat. Instead of having them interrupt you (like I did in the recent one) and having other people complaining about it. 30 minutes would be good enough at the end perhaps.
What the hell is OS???
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The meaning of 'OS' depends on what the context is. Not sure which 'OS' you are referring to. Is it something Roku said in a stream? In reference to his computer or MB? Ect...
However, I think your mean 'OS' in reference to MB. OS is an acronym used in MB to refer to option select.
Basic concept is that a player, P1, can enter one input on the controller and get a variable output action in the game which depends on the opponent's, P2's, actions.
This allows P1 to cover multiple options in a given situation.
Ex: P1 thinks that P2 will throw him, so P1 inputs 1A+D. This with throw tech if a throw was attempted by P2 or it will low shield if throw was not attempted by P2.
-TexasTim-
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I agree with Rokunaya. I only approve of Leo's F-Ryougi only.
As for H-Miyako, she's actually getting played now?
Holy shit.
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Rokunaya:
I know that you like highly technical, cautious matches that demonstrate great character and matchup knowledge. However, you should be aware that there are multiple playstyles that are effective at both top and lower levels of play. The cautious, technical approach is only one of these, and only works alone when one player is clearly dominant to the other in terms of matchup or skill. Few American players will reach a level where they can rely on this type of play, and it requires the longest learning time.
Granted, its better that new players begin by playing conservatively/defensively and trying to learn these skills (in regards to both learning the game and probability of victory). However, I think you should also try doing an explanation of a match including a direct, yomi intensive player who is confrontational and forces guessing situations. It's another playstyle and a skillset that is equally important to development as a fighting gamer. Try explaining how such a playstyle affects the match and works. I'd suggest a match with Luckystar, Kaimaato, or such players (i don't know jp players). America wise, that'd be jiyuna, usually zaelar, sometimes me, and sometimes zar. Also, it'd be a good idea to point out the yomi element in spacing that isn't that obvious to most people. I only saw your first video to be honest, but it's my opinion from this that you explain things in too much of a "someone did this, so this is the counter" fashion. From my perspective, the impressive point is "he knew the other guy'd do that, so he did the counter". Knowing matchup and optimal options is in my opinion only a value modifier for the yomi situation that eventually decides the game.
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Sorry I didn't post here that I'm cancelling this week's show guys due to exams. I said it in IRC like 5 times but I forgot to post it.
I'll make the next show good and well planned to try and make up for this, so watch the next one. :gonk:
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Hey guys, my exams just finished yesterday so I won't have much time to prepare, but I DO plan to do a session again this weekend.
Since what we have are mostly Warakia videos, It looks like he'll be the main topic of the stream. I'm a big fan of Wara and have fairly good knowledge about him, so this will probably go well.
If time and preparation allows, I will also be covering the previous Dansien vids I did with Highspeed/Kou. I felt I did these no justice since they were really good sets and I didn't go into them without prior planning.
Stay tuned
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Triple Post [sadlife]
I have family coming over today but I can make one hour aside for the stream no problem.
Since it'll be shorter than previous episodes i'll try to make it more detailed and planned, and if i have the stuff I want going we might see some "Maddenya"
I am going to push it back to later today though, and make it 7-8pm EST or so instead.
Thanks for the patience guys I should have free time again now that exams and the like are done, sorry about these last two weeks
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Sorry for the lateness guys, but better late than never!
Going live!
http://www.twitch.tv/rokunaya
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I would recommend downloading the videos that you want to analyze and then use a player on your computer rather than youtube, so you don't have to deal with all of the hassles of streaming and waiting for the video to load or whatever.
I use Ant Video Downloader since it lets you download from NICO as well.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloader-player/
and good job as always
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+1 on the download vids.
I loved the options analysis and madden lines. I have no particular requests, if you do high level matches its always interesting. ;D
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Jeez Roku, you really need to work on your Alt+2 execution.
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Jeez Roku, you really need to work on your Alt+2 execution.
;A;
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I wanna request some Nanaya vs Nero matches.I dont have specific moon preferences,or videos :psyduck:
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I want to request C-Ciel vs Akiha (any moon is fine). If I come across any good matches I'll post them.
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Sorry guys I won't be able to do it today. I'll make it up either tomorrow or later in the day, whatever feels best for you guys.
I still want to do it, so let me know which 'makeup' day will be best for all of you.
Sorry and thanks guys.
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Later today if possible, if not there's always the recorded livestream whenever you do it.
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Later today works for me if you haven't yet. I was afraid i missed the live event because I was away this afternoon. Please and thank you!
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I'm going to do it either tonight or tomorrow night guys, I'll get back to you all.
On a more important note, I've figured out sunday might not be the best day for me to do it, at least sunday afternoons. Maybe the evenings...? Since I do stuff on the weekends too, doing this every sunday afternoon is proving to be kinda difficult, so with that said... Time to have a repoll!
Now that I have a bigger fanbase [I think?] this question should be posed again: On which day should these be held, guys?
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Since it's been hard on you to keep a schedule, maybe the best time is your time. Just post it here (1 day in advance perhaps) when you are going to stream and those who can will follow. You seem to get as much feedback from the archive as from the live chat anyway, so...
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Thank yooooooooooooooooooooou for theeeeeeeeeeese!
The only thing I'd suggest is that you just relax and have a good time with them! Thank you for the time and effort!
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Hey guys I've realized the weekend is a bad day for me to do these, so I should do it on a day from mon-fri.
Essentially if I do these on the weekend it means I either shouldn't do anything the whole weekend or stop whatever I want to do early and such or cut plans with family, which if of course, ass. However my weekdays are pretty much always free with the exception of thursdays, so... Let's re-vote based on these new conditions.
Once again thanks for watching if you guys do, and I'll get back to doing these weekly very soon.
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If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I recommend playing entire video round/match first then going over specifics
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If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I recommend playing entire video round/match first then going over specifics
I'm on board with the round idea, but it feels very awkward in the middle of very long rounds. I've been trying to compromise by commentating something, then going back roughly 5 seconds and letting it play out again so what happened was more clear and gives time to see it again, but i'll keep experimenting around
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Actuallly guys... Thursday nights are terrible for me.
..Yeah.
Fridays should be pretty damn good for the most part, it's just that i'll have to move the streams on friday to another date whenever i host my friday tournaments.
I'll just remove the thursday option. And reset votes [again]. My bad guys.
Oh, if I finish my schoolwork in time I should be able to have a makeup stream session tonight. The topic will be Archetype earth; It won't really be too detailed of an analysis since she's still a very new character, but it'll be good to just discuss her a bit. I'll leave the stream open for 30minutes afterwards for questions and discussion on Archetype.
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There will be a show this afternoon around 3pm est, seeing as how i don't want to get in the way of the donjon show this weekend. Topic will be mainly on Archetype Earth
:3
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Going live!
www.twitch.tv/rokunaya
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Watched the first and last round of the H-VSion vs. C-Warc set, the drawn lines really help when you explain the reasoning behind each movement. Also, considering I'm not familiar with either character, but I will be facing more of them in the near future, I really liked how you explained why they use certain moves in certain situations. I actually saw this set a few days ago, but it definitely makes more sense after watching this. I'll have to get to watching the rest of the episode later this week.
I have to check back if you've done an analysis on C-Ciel in a previous episode, but if you haven't, consider that my request.
Also, I chuckled at "Oh, now he's just trolling."
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Just had a chance to watch your last archive. Good choice on the Fujinami vs MaSa set. (;D H-VSion)
Things I noticed:
@ 15:03 in your archive, I'm pretty sure the dodge attempts by Fujinami are for C-Warc 6C or big ring. These two players play all the time, so the dodges are prolly a result of that fact. I personally think it's better to dodge 5B resets, 5{b} and BE5B. But you still have to make a read, cuz re-dashing will just rape that.
@ 18:12 and 42:47, I'm glad you went over the bad spacing of j236C. It's something I see H-VSion players do a lot. Some of those you can get a free tech out, b/c the VSion player does not know what they are doing and just auto inputs 5C. Fujinami got rightfully blown up for his really bad walk back 5C. It's better in this situation to walk back and instead of auto piloting 5C, react to a tech with 5B5C2C Summon/5B5C2C3CjABC AT back into the corner, and do nothing or try for j2B2C Summon otg relaunch (if that still works in 1.07) if they don't tech.
@32:07, with auto spark in the air, an air throw is possible, but difficult there. A better option is to ground throw back into the corner instead of what MaSa did (5{B} I think). I find that when I'm in that situation, it's far too dangerous to use throw tech OS (no one I play but pfhor goes for ground throw), and therefore ground throws work more often if your opponent is thinking on his toes.
Oh and the dive kick shenanigans. I don't think it's trolling so much. If you think your opponent is scared enough to respect it a few times, then you can go for it. The repeated dive kicks make people want to do something because they know there are gaps if you keep doing it. So when an H-VSion player does it, they are going to do it a few times and try and bait a mash or jump reaction from the opponent which can be stuffed easily.
That's all I have. Good work.
-TexasTim-
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@ 15:03 in your archive, I'm pretty sure the dodge attempts by Fujinami are for C-Warc 6C or big ring. These two players play all the time, so the dodges are prolly a result of that fact. I personally think it's better to dodge 5B resets, 5{b} and BE5B. But you still have to make a read, cuz re-dashing will just rape that.
@32:07, with auto spark in the air, an air throw is possible, but difficult there.
Oh and the dive kick shenanigans. I don't think it's trolling so much. If you think your opponent is scared enough to respect it a few times, then you can go for it. The repeated dive kicks make people want to do something because they know there are gaps if you keep doing it. So when an H-VSion player does it, they are going to do it a few times and try and bait a mash or jump reaction from the opponent which can be stuffed easily.
Thing is the big ring beats hvsion dodge for sure and it probably loses to 6[C] too though i'm not too sure on that.
As for the airthrow, I know it was possible but midmatch that shit's hard :/ [at that angle and timing anyway for warc]
Also I'd say he wasn't trolling if he didn't even bother confirming an obvious ch confirm before. since he didn't bother [it's pretty damn free imo] i just considered it trolling lol
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Also I'd say he wasn't trolling if he didn't even bother confirming an obvious ch confirm before. since he didn't bother [it's pretty damn free imo] i just considered it trolling lol
Yeah I guess it really doesn't matter if he was trolling or not.
I don't know. Sometimes I get it into my head that I'm going to do x amount of dive kicks right now, regardless of what happens. Then go for y.
I miss counter hit confirm opportunities doing this sometimes if I'm just not expecting a hit at all of a particular dive kick.
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Hey guys if you haven't voted in the poll do so later, i still can't really decide on which day to do it with this number of votes.
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Hey guys, now that I'm done with my finals this will be back in session, except far more organized and planned out. Expect a redux coming soon next week, and everyone look forward to it!
Feeling good that my finals are done!
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Hey guys, now that I'm done with my finals this will be back in session, except far more organized and planned out. Expect a redux coming soon next week, and everyone look forward to it!
Feeling good that my finals are done!
Are we going to have a special holiday episode? Or is this going to be a lame recap of last season? :laffo:
Real talk: Happy to see it back. I was wondering why you stopped.