Author Topic: West Toast #1 (Read 13588 times)

Arlieth Tralare · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:26:32 PM »

Santos: Looks like a good portion of West Toast made it to the FTP but it appears to be cut off before finals. Was this intentional?

Also, sound appears to be slightly offsync in the Arly vs Bell match. What's your computer specs, and have you defragged your HD? That usually helps with the little micro-breaks during encoding.

Zantua · « **Reply #26 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:31:00 PM »

i remember talkin with bsan and he said his compy was several years old.

also a few days ago when he was on comp 23 here at IF he said his specs are close to that

hdphnz · « **Reply #27 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »

Computer 23 isn't too old.

Zantua · « **Reply #28 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:43:19 PM »

i know that but thats what he told me.

juniorSantos · « **Reply #29 on:** March 28, 2007, 04:13:19 PM »

no it shouldnt have cut off. i started the upload then went to work, so im not sure what happened. gah this is getting frustrating, it takes like 4 hours for each step and its not working out..

the audio sync goes off for a bit towards the end, but is fine during the finals. that problem was from video capturing from camcorder to computer. encoding should be fine. hows the quality of the video other than that?

but yeah my computer is a few years old. only has 512 memory $:-\$
i get home at 9. so ill try to fix it then

linalys · « **Reply #30 on:** March 28, 2007, 04:34:52 PM »

Video quality is good, no complaints about that.

UselessTool · « **Reply #31 on:** March 28, 2007, 06:22:34 PM »

Has this been updated? I see 404 when i click on the link

juniorSantos · « **Reply #32 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:27:38 PM »

not yet. i uploaded the new version today, but it got cut off at the end..

i have to re upload it when i get home from work tonight

Arlieth Tralare · « **Reply #33 on:** March 29, 2007, 04:31:53 AM »

http://www.meltybread.com/juniorsantos/Interface_03-15-07_west-toast-1-finals.avi

Hmm. Looks good, the encode went well.

However, the size is a whopping 588mb. Keep this up and I'm going to have to upgrade my hosting

so I suggest the following:

size: 320x240
bitrate: 600kbps video, 64kbps mono audio. It looks like you had 192kbps stereo, so you were using 3x-6x more bandwidth than necessary for audio.

640x480 = 307,200 pixels
320x240 = 76,800 pixels (1/4th the size)

Using a ~~divx bitrate calculator~~brute force mathematics, you can achieve 511kbps encoding rate and get a 350mb file to cover the entire west toast tournament, making your file 41% smaller than its current state. 511kbps looks really bad at 640x480, but is smooth as butter at 320x240. Try it out and see how it works.

Calculations:
File Size: 588mb = 588*1024^2=616562688 bytes
File Length: 83.7 minutes * 60 = 5022 seconds
616562688/5022 = 122722 bytes per second, or 120 kilobytes per second
However, kbps stands for kiloBITS, and 8 bits = 1 byte. so, 122722*8 = 981776 bits per second, or 958kbps.
Subtract 192kbps for your stereo music, and that leaves us with 766kbps for the video.

64kbps sound, and 500kbps video (at 320x240, which is 1/4th the size) = 564kbps total bandwidth, or 58% of its original size.
Divide 564kbps by 8 for 70.5 kilobytes per second. 70.5 * 5022 seconds = 345mb.

If we want to be really aggressive, we can cut it down to 200 kbps for video for a 164mb file, or 264kbps for a 200mb file.

We've learned in the past that Marvel vs Capcom 2 videos usually have to be around 600kbps to capture the action because there's so much crap flying on the screen, but 3rd Strike videos can handle much lower bandwidth. I'm not sure about Melty Blood, yet, so some experimenting may be in order. I also know encoding these takes forever and a half, but if you take care of all the tedious experimenting and learning now, it saves you a lot of time in the long run.

Also, how much RAM do you have in your system? We could get you an upgrade for that, and that might help with the audio/video sync issues.

Zantua · « **Reply #34 on:** March 29, 2007, 07:56:31 AM »

Quote from: juniorSantos on March 28, 2007, 04:13:19 PM

no it shouldnt have cut off. i started the upload then went to work, so im not sure what happened. gah this is getting frustrating, it takes like 4 hours for each step and its not working out..

the audio sync goes off for a bit towards the end, but is fine during the finals. that problem was from video capturing from camcorder to computer. encoding should be fine. hows the quality of the video other than that?

but yeah my computer is a few years old. only has 512 memory $:-\$
i get home at 9. so ill try to fix it then

from this post i'm pretty sure he has 512

IamtehSEX · « **Reply #35 on:** March 29, 2007, 08:14:56 AM »

512!?!?!?! were in the 2 gb age my friend. time to upgrade you brainmatter cuz one day it may matter

juniorSantos · « **Reply #36 on:** March 29, 2007, 10:46:13 AM »

hey man dont make fun of my 4 year old Dell PC. We got this for Christmas

thanks Tom ill try all that out tonight

IamtehSEX · « **Reply #37 on:** March 29, 2007, 11:48:55 AM »

haha....use your bros laptop

UselessTool · « **Reply #38 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:11:34 PM »

Tom you should edit the first post in this thread with the new link to the vid. Or just make a new thread for the vid's sake.

Arlieth Tralare · « **Reply #39 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:45:57 PM »

I'm gonna wait till santos uploads the new video first, he needs to do some more work on it because the lower quality resolution makes the fonts unreadable. Once that's finished, i'll put a new link up. But in the meantime, i should edit that first post anyhow. I'll do that now, thanks.

linalys · « **Reply #40 on:** March 30, 2007, 03:46:28 PM »

No one cares but I ripped my own matches to watch and study and put them up on youtube for the hell of it.

vs Hdphnz 1st Round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyceBY6jSMY

vs UselessTool Winner's Quarterfinal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmWLnXNMB0

vs Bellreisa Loser's Semi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KHhNoqWK4

vs UselessTool Loser's final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_bFv0B4Tc

Edit: I put up vs arly and vs zantua too. Just dig around in the west toast playlist and you should find them.

UselessTool · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2007, 01:10:06 PM »

thx lil. now i dont have to sit through a 4 hour dl for now...

Light · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2007, 05:33:04 PM »

Thanks for ripping some of the matches, because I haven't seen them all (VLC player closes after around 30 minutes of playing). Did JuniorSantos fix that already?

juniorSantos · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2007, 11:09:17 PM »

im getting around to it. ive just had work these past few days..

im trying to get it down now so for west toast 2, it'll be up quicker

edit: i forgot, theres a link up there that is updated. its just a really big file..
we're working on getting it smaller while trying to maintain the quality

zantua · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2007, 11:13:52 PM »

we need those west toast 1 videos cuz you will be workin on west toast 2 in 4-5 days.

Psylocke · « **Reply #45 on:** April 01, 2007, 01:53:33 AM »

Just posting to say, great job Santos on the vid. Quality was awesome, the added text(like player names and the tournament round) were really helpful, and that intro was just beautiful, totally in sync with the music. Keep up the good work

juniorSantos · « **Reply #46 on:** April 02, 2007, 12:41:10 AM »

thanks man i really appreciate it. im still working on getting a smaller download for you guys. ill also put vids on google video to stream..

west toast 2 is coming up

hdphnz · « **Reply #47 on:** April 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PM »

Quote from: IPwnWitTohno on March 29, 2007, 08:14:56 AM

512!?!?!?! were in the 2 gb age my friend. time to upgrade you brainmatter cuz one day it may matter

lawl at deltron

juniorSantos · « **Reply #48 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:03:39 PM »

deltron 3030? woo i didnt even notice

IamtehSEX · « **Reply #49 on:** April 02, 2007, 09:11:37 PM »

tsk tsk bryan... mason 1 bryan 0

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