MBAA: Actress Again Kouma Discussion

[s4itox]

Why didn't you guys ever tell me Kouma's 22 series reflect projectiles?

See this post earlier in the thread?

[Apocalypse]

Well, I went through the majority of the cast to see what 22A/C can and can't reflect.  As far as I can tell, 22B and j.22A/B/C don't have the reflective property, but I didn't really test it out, so please correct me if it does.  Here's what I have so far (have not tested on the Necos, Akiha's, and anything with Kohaku or Hisui, team or solo).  Also, unless specifically mentioned, both 22A and 22C will work.

C-Warc: 214A/B/C, j.214A/B/C and 63214C
H-Warc: 214A/B/C, and j.214A/B/C       Does not work on 236A/B/C
F-Warc: 214A/B/C, and j.214A/B/C      Sidenote: 22A will counterhit in your favor if done in reaction to 63214C (the dash claw ex)

C-Aoko: Nothing
H-Aoko: 214A/B/C    Note: C version will Circuit Break Aoko if it hits her after it is reflected.
F-Aoko: 236A/B/C    Note: I've only been able to reflect 3 of the hits of the C version with 22A, which will get you about 1k.  22C will reflect the entire thing for 1.5k.

C-Ciel: 214[A]/B/C, j.214A/B/C   Note: Reflected 214[A] keeps the "stick and explode" property.  I've only been able to reflect the first two parts of 214B with 22A.  22C is weird because the first 214B knife will go straight through Kouma, and the last two will be reflected.  22A will reflect the first 3 knives of 214C, with you taking and giving about 500 damage.  22C against Ciel will reflect 4 knives, doing 600, with you taking about 100 damage.  Against j.214C, it will only reflect the first two or so knives, you'll eat the rest of it.
H-Ciel: 214[A]/B/C, j.214A/B/C, 236[A]
F-Ciel: 214A/B/C, j.214A/B/C    Note: 22A can reflect the knife of j.214C, but not the shadow that comes out.  If you reflect the knife, the shadow will still come out and damage and freeze Ciel in place.

C-Sion: Nothing
H-Sion: Nothing
F-Sion: Nothing

C-Wara: 2[C], 63214C   Note: 22A will reflect one ring, 22C will reflect both.  If the Warc shadow is right on top of you, then both rings will hit you and not be reflected.
H-Wara: 63214C   Note: Same as above.
F-Wara: 236A/B/C, j.236A/B/C

C-Roa: Nothing
H-Roa: Nothing
F-Roa: Nothing

C-Mech: Nothing   Note: wut
H-Mech: 236A/B/C   Note: 236B(golden fist) can only be reflected by 22C.
F-Mech: 236C, 214[A]/{B}/C   Note: Doing 22A/C against 214[A]/{B} is a bad idea.

C-Len: Nothing
H-Len: Nothing
F-Len: 236A/B/C

H-Satsuki: 22A/B/C

C/H/F-Ryougi: As far as I can tell, nothing.  I have not been able to reflect the thrown knife, but that could just be timing issues on my part, as it is fairly fast.

C-WLen: Nothing
H-WLen: Nothing
F-WLen: 236A/B/C, j.236A/B/C

C-Chaos: 236A/B
H-Chaos: 236A/B
F-Chaos: 236A/B   Note: Using 22A/C on the 236B bird will cause it to turn around and head towards Chaos.  If the bird is fairly close to you when you do the 22A/C, it will just dart towards Chaos instead of hovering to him.

[Ceehill]

Recently got my copy of MBAA, and I've been practicing the F-Kouma BnB for the past few days.  I've got it down to about 50% consistency (not great by any means, but I couldn't even hit it once when I started practicing) and would like to help if I can.

2AA {5B} 2B 2C 236B 236B 236[C] 2A 6B j.[C] dj.[C] AT/land 623A

For the majority of the cast (Sions, Akihas, Maids, etc.), 4r5 nailed it when he said to delay the first rekka after 2C a bit.  The second one has to be done as quickly as possible, since the later it's performed the higher the opponent will float, causing 236[C] to whiff.  I also found it helpful to delay the last rekka very, very slightly, just to ensure that they fall into it correctly.

For smaller characters (Lens, Miyako) this combo is a lot easier.  It hardly felt like I was delaying the first rekka at all, but rather just flowing into it naturally.  I still delay the 236[C] very slightly though.  Not sure why these characters are easier than the rest.  (Against the Necos you can basically just mash out the combo as fast as you can and you will never drop it.  Not that you'll probably ever need to know that, but it does further support the observation that there is actually considerably more leeway for this combo on smaller characters for whatever reason.)

For bigger characters (Nero, Wara), the combo almost feels backwards; I had considerably greater success in doing the first rekka immediately after 2C, then delaying the second one as long as possible.  I'm guessing the bigger hitboxes make it a bit more awkward to cause them to "land" on 236[C], and doing it this way (no delay between 2C 236B, considerable delay between the first two rekkas) allows them to float as high as possible in preparation for the final rekka.

The combo nets a nice 500 or so extra damage over the 2C 6C variant, and pushes your opponent a bit closer to the corner.  Whether or not the added difficulty is worth the reward is inevitably up to you.  Hope this helps.

(Also, for your own sake, once you finally do nail the 236[C] 2A part of the combo, don't be a baddie like me and let your excitement cause you to mess up something really routine afterward, like doing 2A 6C into empty jump because you started charging your j.[C] too early.  It's painful, trust me on this one.   )

Edit: Although it may sound obvious, I should also add that you'll have to delay your first rekka less the further you're pushed out from your opponent by that point in the combo, and vice versa, i.e. 5B 2C would require a longer delay than if you confirmed your combo off a bunch of 2As. Definitely not a simple combo by any means (unless you're Kaimaato lol   ).

[Level 0]

I know this thread isn't all that active, but no one's mentioned this and I think it's pretty important.

If you hold down during F-Kouma's charge 5C, it is EXACTLY the same as holding down during 214a/b.

Also, though more interesting than anything - in the rekka combo, you can heat cancel the 236C and pretty much do whatever you want.  It's probably not a good idea, since any damage you get is generally worse than the rekka proper, and you'll trade away F-Kouma's best thing ever (his AAD) but it's a small price to pay if it wins you the round.

[Guillotine-Fist]

What version of Kouma is considered the strongest?

[Tempered]

Full.