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[MBAACC] Len Discussion
« on: October 20, 2011, 04:34:25 PM »
Discuss Len here, and keep track of changes here!

Just saw Clen do BE4b, and it otg relaunches. Thought you guys might want to know.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15914720 10:00m
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 06:13:58 PM by ロースピード »
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 05:21:27 PM »
That's pretty interesting. Hopefully 4b is like that in all moons.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 06:05:52 PM »
Discuss Len here, and keep track of changes here!

Just saw Clen do 4, and it otg relaunches.

I wish walking back OTG relaunched for cooler characters  :laffo: :laffo: :laffo: :laffo:

@Greg - They added BE4B only to C-Len in vanilla CC so unless they decided to add it to H and F in 1.07...
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 06:14:38 PM »
Hahaha damn {b} brackets. changed it

But yeah, seems interesting that it otg relaunches now. Would it even be useful though?
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 06:15:53 PM »
Hahaha damn {b} brackets. changed it

But yeah, seems interesting that it otg relaunches now. Would it even be useful though?

No one wants to tech her airthrow in the corner so...
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 06:18:56 PM »
Discuss Len here, and keep track of changes here!

Just saw Clen do 4, and it otg relaunches.

I wish walking back OTG relaunched for cooler characters  :laffo: :laffo: :laffo: :laffo:

@Greg - They added BE4B only to C-Len in vanilla CC so unless they decided to add it to H and F in 1.07...

Aww... that's unfortunate.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 01:24:52 PM »
OH YEAH
guess which combo is back

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15981657
@11:04

So yeah, reduced black cat recovery, at last.   :toot:
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 09:44:46 PM »
No F-Len discussion yet? As far as I can see, F-Len got nothing but buffs with 1.05/1.07 Current Code. Now that Melty Blood fights take place on a trampoline, it's much easier to combo off of horizontal reflectors. (Reflectors combos do delicious amount of damage. :D)

Also, with the new OTG-heavy game physics, there's a lot more opportunity to get good opportunities to set up reflectors.

I am noticing these from gameplay vids, so I don't know what exactly changed. Anyone could help with that?
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 11:59:28 AM »
Finally some C-len video footage already.  :toot:
I hope there will be even more,now that 1.07 is out.
Because there was almost zero before and it was rather saddening...
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 02:10:03 PM »
THANKS EHRIK! C-LEN POWER!

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 03:44:55 AM »
http://youtu.be/uKzoWPZq_q8?t=29m57s
more C-Ren footage. Seems like she can do triple rondo now.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 06:39:59 AM »
http://youtu.be/uKzoWPZq_q8?t=29m57s
more C-Ren footage. Seems like she can do triple rondo now.

That end with 4 EX ice. :laffo:
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 09:29:38 PM »
http://youtu.be/uKzoWPZq_q8?t=29m57s
more C-Ren footage. Seems like she can do triple rondo now.

It's not triple rondo. You just do 623ab (canceling the kick) and input 623a again as soon as the cancel animation start, canceling the animation itself and beginning a new rondo. If you perform it well enough it's almost invisible... still unsafe and quite useless, but oh well.

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 09:42:38 PM »
Does anyone here know the url for the JP Len wiki?  I lost most of my JP wiki bookmarks due to a HDD crash (forgot to backup my bookmarks).

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2011, 04:44:13 AM »
Does anyone here know the url for the JP Len wiki?  I lost most of my JP wiki bookmarks due to a HDD crash (forgot to backup my bookmarks).

Is there such a thing?I am intrigued.

First impression on c-len:

semi-controllable j2C is useful to some extent.
Makes her air dominance a bit better but if somebody shield it and throw,the punish is simply too much.

j236{B} is quite useful.
BE4B is good and useful.otg relaunch.perfect for corner scenarios.
No more 2 black cats.loses ground dominance for nothing.
Orbs are only for dmg/meter increase as it will hit only after a successful hit.The summon frames are quite long too.
EX ice is shieldable.tI dont know if its a recent change,but i dont like that at all.  :gonk:
Still no proper blockstring.Still no proper reversal.


But since i am a scrub my opinion hardly matters.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2011, 02:17:50 PM »
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Does anyone here know the url for the JP Len wiki?
http://wikiwiki.jp/mb_len/ this one?
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2012, 01:20:36 AM »
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Does anyone here know the url for the JP Len wiki?
http://wikiwiki.jp/mb_len/ this one?

That's it, but there doesn't appear to be any new 1.07 stuff, like OTGs into reflectors or anything.  Oh well.

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2012, 02:27:23 AM »
Hey guys hope we can all develop len together.

Personally I really len for her normals and interesting command set, It seems she capable of controlling most of match momentum, (similar to strider in MvC2).

In my last section i was getting bombed by my relatives C-Kouma. I was using c-len but my approach was pretty bad. The only sit i felt comfortable was enduring kouma atack strings and gound footsie. Sadly I did'nt know how to manage every thing else. Barly use cats, was to conservative with meter, and did not know how to capitalize on air counters.
Though I just learned about OTG so I'llll be developing on those situations, But what are your views on combos with len. Due to her damage modifier I simply like to focus on meter building since she can get 2/3k effortlessly  and 4k and beyond is situational( do go for big damage if opponent has huge life lead or combo will KO).

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2012, 09:10:12 AM »
Judging by my limited experience, you should have air dominance against Kouma, and you should try to capitalize on it. When you are at a safe distance, set up a black cat to try and cover the ground. Tin cat is stronger against other chars, like Nero and Wara.

As for combos, here are some off the top of my head:

2a5c(4 hits)2b4c jbc jbc AT (basic BnB)
2a5c(5)623b 5c(5) jbc jbc AT (corner combo)
2a5c(4-5)4b 236c BE236a 5c (4-5) jbc jbc AT (100 meter combo for damage, should be getting 4.5k and above)
2a5c(4-5)4b high 236c 214b (black cat) 5a5c(1-2) jbc jbc AT (throw them on the cat for knockdown)

Also you can end a midscreen 236c combo with 2b for knockdown, and try dodge mixups or telport mixups (teleport behind them, fake jump 2b, etc.).

After you end a combo in the corner with airthrow, you can easily punish all 3 options. When you get your opponent to respect you, start throwing tin cats on them. You can throw them between the hits or go for a fuzzy:

deep jc -> 2b4c aircombo / jc j2c land 5a5c combo

j236c is good for range punish, but C-Kouma doesn't have many things to punish except for heat activation. I don't think the orb special has any good uses. Overall H plays pretty much the same with the added bonus of 5a6aa for better blockstrings, her 5b is better (hits low) and has h-moon bunker, which is one of the few ways Len can get out of pressure.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2012, 06:15:42 PM »
@Funky-kun

Thanks for the heads up.
Your combos look like good place to start. Though I must say I like orbs as they can potentially extend certain combos. What are lens options against the techs I've seen how player are afraid to tech.

I see how H-len play and its decent but Half moon is not for me. C-Len has tools I prefer.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2012, 11:44:48 PM »
236c catches all tech options and leaves you safe (even OTGs some characters). I don't think she has a catch-all no meter option, but I might be wrong. Neutral punish is beaten by dash in normal (5b/5c), back punish is pretty much the same, but with delay. If your opponent techs away from the corner 5c can easily catch  them.

I like C's loli hammer better than her orbs. :P Now it even OTG relaunches.  :D
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2012, 12:12:15 AM »
236c catches all tech options and leaves you safe (even OTGs some characters). I don't think she has a catch-all no meter option, but I might be wrong. Neutral punish is beaten by dash in normal (5b/5c), back punish is pretty much the same, but with delay. If your opponent techs away from the corner 5c can easily catch  them.

I like C's loli hammer better than her orbs. :P Now it even OTG relaunches.  :D
I never knew that techs had vulnerable frames. I have hard time wrapping my head around the mixup, and pressure game. Don't even get me started on hit confirm.
 

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2012, 10:53:26 AM »
I just do double ice combos. So much fun. I only play Len for the flashy 236 combos. And being a cat. 3 is Len's best ability.
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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2012, 12:09:00 PM »
http://youtu.be/kHRcL3yj3Uc?hd=1

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Re: [MBAACC] Len Discussion
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2012, 03:16:01 PM »
Can someone post a list of changes from console to CC on this new thread? (All Three Moons preferrably)
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