Hello I am probly the only good tohno player right now ask questions lol.

[AlmightyNam]

the next step is doing 2aa,2c, 5bb,5a (whiff), jc, dj abc,  airthrow

Out of curiousity, did you think up that combo by yourself? Like, I never saw a japanese vid where someone uses this combo, nor the combo in the corner when you ex slide jump wait a bit, then j.c, dj bc airthrow.

And if you did make up those combos on your own (actually, even if you didn't), I think you're the only one I will allow to use it. If I see anyone else use it, I will demand they add "Combo trademarked by Nas".

[Magikarp9]

Those combos are most definitely pioneered by the Japanese.

[Devereaux]

Just wondering, does anyone besides me use 236b into 214c 5a (whiff) SJ bcbc airthrow?

[AlmightyNam]

Yeah I do it all the time, regardless if they're blocking or not (Okay, not all the time, but every once in a while I sometimes catch the people who think 236b is a high hit). Also, you can go into 623+C if your opponent unfortunately jumped.

What I'm wondering is if you can do 236a into 214c. I tried doing it a couple times unsuccessfully, but I also have terrible execution, so it could just be that.

[Devereaux]

What I'm wondering is if you can do 236a into 214c. I tried doing it a couple times unsuccessfully, but I also have terrible execution, so it could just be that.

Yea it's possible.

[Nas]

yea it's possible... but timing as strict as hell


and nam... you gotta watch some shiki vids... all those combos  you seen me do...i learn from them (except for the 214C delay jc into jbc dj bc... i 've never seen em in vids.. but then again... i never seen 214C used that much...

[AlmightyNam]

Yeah, I actually did watch some vids after I said that and realized that everyone does it, but I also realized that no one really sticks to one air combo for shiki. It probably is because they get more random hits than actual setups and they just have to make due with what they got. I've seen all combinations of a b c and jump cancel while in the air.

Though, why is that combo so special? I've only seen it do like maybe 100-200 more damage than the standard jbc djbc, and the room for error is ridiculously higher.

[Devereaux]

Though, why is that combo so special? I've only seen it do like maybe 100-200 more damage than the standard jbc djbc, and the room for error is ridiculously higher.

I seriously like to think it's cause it makes you look pro... Other than that, if you can manage pull it off consistently you get better dmg w/o sacrificing the airthrow and more dmg is always good.

[Nas]

it does tons more damage than the normal 2aa, 2c, 5c, jbc, bc throw combo... actually i think does 500-1k more... im sure of it... where as 5a whiff combos.... 5bb does prorate as badly as 5c

[Dragonthorn]

I saw some guy in yukinose's site do 2aa, 2c, 5c, jb, jc, jb, jc, throw. Though the input after the 5c is somewhat tricky, you get more range as opposed to 2c, 5b.

Oh and any tips for the whiff combo? I don't get the jc in time before the opp recovers.

[AlmightyNam]

I saw some guy in yukinose's site do 2aa, 2c, 5c, jb, jc, jb, jc, throw. Though the input after the 5c is somewhat tricky, you get more range as opposed to 2c, 5b.

I... don't understand how thats different from the standard bnb.

Oh and any tips for the whiff combo? I don't get the jc in time before the opp recovers.

Practice. Like, seriously, thats it. The whiff is actually easy to pull off, even though in the beginning you're just like, "I DON'T GET IT!!! THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! ERRRGH!" At least, thats what I was like when I was trying to learn it, but after like, really a couple days, of just randomly trying to do it in matches with my friend, it just came out.

[Devereaux]

Oh and any tips for the whiff combo? I don't get the jc in time before the opp recovers.

Try delaying the 5bb till right before they hit the ground. Also be sure you only hit jc once, if you have a tendency to mash it a few times it won't hit.

[Zaido]

reason being jC is chargable, so if you mash it comes out slower

[Dragonthorn]

It's been awhile, lol. Thanks for all the tips guys. I can pull off the whiff combo now, somewhat. I can land jC, djA, djB, but for some reason djC fails to connect. It's like the opponent is too high up in the air for the extendo leg to hit, so I just end up doing 2A, 2B, 5C, 2C, 5BB, 5A(whiff), jC, djA, djB, throw.

So any help getting the jC to connect?

[Nas]

you have to cancel JC ASAP... well at least that's how i do it... when you cancel ASAP you dj higher so thus landing the JC into throw.... it's just lots practice and timing constraints... like as soon it connects dj ASAP into dj abc

[Dragonthorn]

Thanks for the quick response. It took me some hours just to get the timing for the whiff combo for the jC to land. And even now I only have like a 60% success rate with it. But yeah, you have to speed up your reflexes cuz a fraction of a second can make the difference.

I managed to land the full combo ONCE. And yeah it seems that you have to cancel the 5BB right away and jC almost instantaneously to hit. Love the combo though... much much better than his standard BnB.

Another combo I'm trying to pull in the corner is jump-in C, land, 2A, 5B, 5C, 236 A, 214 C, 5A (whiff), jB, jC, dJAA, djB (throw).

Anyway thanks for all the help!

[Zaido]

why not just do jB jC -> djB djC which probalb does more dmg?

[Dragonthorn]

^Haven't tested out the damage differences. I just assumed that djA, djB, djC did more damage since that's what I usually see in match vids. But if the jA prorates then maybe it is better off that way. But even still, I can't still manage to hit with the djC even if I start out with djB. Thanks though.

[Zaido]

^Haven't tested out the damage differences. I just assumed that djA, djB, djC did more damage since that's what I usually see in match vids. But if the jA prorates then maybe it is better off that way. But even still, I can't still manage to hit with the djC even if I start out with djB. Thanks though.

well you put djAA jB throw thus making djB djC better

if your gona do djA djB djC its better to sdjA sdjB sdjC

[Dragonthorn]

Sorry for being a noob but sdj = super jump?

[Zaido]

super double jump

[Nas]

why not just do jB jC -> djB djC which probalb does more dmg?

it's a bad habit from me... i watch T.I do that shit and it was pretty much how i did it... if djb djc does more damage then all means do that but i always thought they added that a for little bit more damage...

but i will test some shit for damage shit... there are other variations to do this as well (zar pointed this out) that could do tons

[Dragonthorn]

I didn't know you could super jump from a jump. I'll try that out. Though I imagine the input from that you'd have to buffer it during jC?

I find myself connecting with (from jC) djB, djC, throw. Thanks for the tips!

[Zaido]

why not just do jB jC -> djB djC which probalb does more dmg?

it's a bad habit from me... i watch T.I do that shit and it was pretty much how i did it... if djb djc does more damage then all means do that but i always thought they added that a for little bit more damage...

but i will test some shit for damage shit... there are other variations to do this as well (zar pointed this out) that could do tons

well jBC -> sdjABC does more dmg overall, just jBC-> djBC is easier and since Dragon said his combo was djAA->djB throw, i  just thought telling him jBC->djBC which is easier then just saying do jBC->sdjABC as a step closer to doing a more advance shiki combo.. from the combo he posted..

didnt want to overwhelm people with what is sdj!? and stuff yet.. though they probalby either know it already, i prefer giving info bit by bit so its easier to swollow for newer people.

[Nas]

ah cool maybe im a little noobish as well...didn't know you could sj from a double jump either..

and im glad your connecting it easier my man good stuff..

if my post was little more over the top lemme know... im used to taking everything into whole so im used to that shit..