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Corner 623c Ender
« on: July 07, 2008, 12:21:26 PM »
I've been watching some videos of Nanaya players and aside from the higher damage BnB they also go into launcher > 623c > air combo.

Now I might be missing something important, but is there a point to this? It seems like it nets less damage and uses up meter compared to if you did a regular BnB. The timing of the 2a 5b relaunch is also much more unforgiving than the 2c 5b launch for the higher damage BnB.

Thanks guys. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 02:17:18 PM »
No, comboing off 623C does more damage than his standard BnB. However you have the option of letting them drop and get a better oki game. It generally depends on the opponent and their character.

And let's face it, what else is Nanaya going to use his meter for?
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 02:53:01 PM »
EX 236C? >_>



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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 04:26:04 PM »
No, comboing off 623C does more damage than his standard BnB. However you have the option of letting them drop and get a better oki game. It generally depends on the opponent and their character.

And let's face it, what else is Nanaya going to use his meter for?

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 09:05:28 PM »
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 11:04:53 AM »
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion

It's enough extra damage that's worth using meter for.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 03:02:22 PM »
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion

It's enough extra damage that's worth using meter for.

Ah yea... I just tried for myself as well and got the same results. Looks like I'll still be in practice mode for awhile.

Also I was just curious: is there a reason to air dash before air throwing for Nanaya? It doesn't seem like it has any advantage but I could be mistaken again.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 10:40:29 PM »
Is 400 more damage really worth 100% meter?

Think about this critically -- the answer isn't a definitive yes.
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 01:09:57 AM »
No tech OTG ender is pretty nice, if you can get them to stop teching.  If not, I hope you're tech punishing. 
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 11:18:01 PM »
Is 400 more damage really worth 100% meter?

Think about this critically -- the answer isn't a definitive yes.

For Nanaya, yes.

If you were playing a character like Ciel with tons of awesome EX moves the answer might be more difficult but for Nanaya it's almost always a yes.
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 03:00:30 AM »
And let's face it, what else is Nanaya going to use his meter for?
Getting heat activations baited, what else? :psyduck:
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 01:44:26 PM »
Also I was just curious: is there a reason to air dash before air throwing for Nanaya? It doesn't seem like it has any advantage but I could be mistaken again.
only just noticed this. You do it in the corner, VS some chars it allows you to do 2B 5C okizeme which you can hitconfirm into 214B for knockdown.
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 04:22:42 PM »
When i play nanaya I keep using meter though o_O...
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 05:13:45 AM »
When i play nanaya I keep using meter though o_O...
Using meter for what? Arc drives never hit against players, and besides that he has 2 EX moves total. Unless you spam 236C or something, which you should never use at all, 623C is the only EX that Nanaya can actually use.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2008, 12:18:29 AM »
623B236C Safe DP
623B41236C  :psyduck:

In mid screen I dont like to BnB due to loss of momentum so I 2abc5c 623C =/

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2008, 07:31:07 AM »
Also I was just curious: is there a reason to air dash before air throwing for Nanaya? It doesn't seem like it has any advantage but I could be mistaken again.
only just noticed this. You do it in the corner, VS some chars it allows you to do 2B 5C okizeme which you can hitconfirm into 214B for knockdown.

How does that work? It doesn't seem like Nanaya lands any faster or closer to the corner whether I air dash or not.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2008, 05:21:16 AM »
Also I was just curious: is there a reason to air dash before air throwing for Nanaya? It doesn't seem like it has any advantage but I could be mistaken again.
only just noticed this. You do it in the corner, VS some chars it allows you to do 2B 5C okizeme which you can hitconfirm into 214B for knockdown.

How does that work? It doesn't seem like Nanaya lands any faster or closer to the corner whether I air dash or not.

Test it for yourself. Airthrow them in the corner and try to do 2B 5C 214B. Then try doing it after an airdash airthrow. It doesn't work VS some chars with fucky hitboxes though.
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2008, 08:01:19 PM »
Also I was just curious: is there a reason to air dash before air throwing for Nanaya? It doesn't seem like it has any advantage but I could be mistaken again.
only just noticed this. You do it in the corner, VS some chars it allows you to do 2B 5C okizeme which you can hitconfirm into 214B for knockdown.

How does that work? It doesn't seem like Nanaya lands any faster or closer to the corner whether I air dash or not.

Test it for yourself. Airthrow them in the corner and try to do 2B 5C 214B. Then try doing it after an airdash airthrow. It doesn't work VS some chars with fucky hitboxes though.

Wow I have no idea why, but that actually does work on all the characters I've tested so far (Sion, Arc, Ciel, Warc and VAkiha). When I air throw without the air dash the 5C comes up short every time. Good stuff; never would have found out something like this randomly.

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 10:41:22 PM »
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion

It's enough extra damage that's worth using meter for.

well the thing about this is this adding 400 more damage wouldnt really be much good unless of course extending the damage into the persons death thats the only practical reason i see for this

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2008, 11:05:22 PM »
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion

It's enough extra damage that's worth using meter for.

well the thing about this is this adding 400 more damage wouldnt really be much good unless of course extending the damage into the persons death thats the only practical reason i see for this
Do you even play Nanaya? What the hell does Nanaya need that meter for?

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2008, 11:26:07 PM »
combo -> 623B 41236C
for the lulz

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2008, 11:39:45 PM »
combo -> 623B 41236C
for the lulz

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On a side note
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion
For the first combo, I got 5240 damage (12 hits) on Sion, critical hits turned off.

For the second combo I got 5900 damage (19 hits) on Sion, critical hits turned off. So that's 660 damage difference. :3

Although I don't really get how I got such a different number for the second combo. The first one I figure you probably got a critical hit somewhere so your damage is slightly higher. But the second one...? My damage is set to 3. That's standard, right?


For another comparison,

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5215 damage (12 hits) on Shiki Tohno, critical hits turned off.

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5947 damage (20 hits) on Shiki Tohno, critical hits turned off.


Another side note, j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c on Sion, I can only get 623c to hit 5 times, as opposed to its full 6. Something weird with spacing and hitboxes and stuff... It hits 6 times on Shiki. <_>
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2008, 12:07:36 AM »
Depending on how you time the 623C, the damage will differ, and the hits.
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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2008, 12:10:13 AM »
Yeah, I noticed that I got something like 5745 damage on Sion rather than 5900 because of difference in timing for the 623c combo. Dang reverse beat... >_>

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Re: Corner 623c Ender
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 10:04:48 AM »
j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5288 on Sion

j.c 5b 5c 2c 2b 623c 5a 5b j.bc j.bc airthrow is 5676 on Sion

It's enough extra damage that's worth using meter for.

well the thing about this is this adding 400 more damage wouldnt really be much good unless of course extending the damage into the persons death thats the only practical reason i see for this
Do you even play Nanaya? What the hell does Nanaya need that meter for?
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