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Atlas Academy => Melty Blood: Act Cadenza => Shiki Nanaya => : cowless November 03, 2007, 04:42:23 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Ok so basicly im someone who just got this game a few days ago and ive been playing the single player and against my friend who is better then me. I am not sure how to realy do anything all i do is just button mash till im the last one standing or im dead. Now im disturbed cause i loose a hell of alot especially online because i cant realy do combos except sometimes by accadent. I got on the inernet and started searching for videos or some form of strategy i can understand. Then i see on the Melty Blood wiki i see this like 2ABC and 5B and all this stuff and im all like ??? what does this stuff mean i guess the letters mean the fighting moves but what are the numbers? :psyduck: Then i see videos of people doing these insane finishing moves like nanaya's "slomo slash attacks" which i wanna learn so bad and by now im thuroughly confused. I looked every where to see an explanation for these numbers but nothing so now im asking you guys WTF DO THESE FREEKIN' COMBO CODES MEAN!
Thank you i hope to get good at nanaya soon he is so cool.
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Check this section out, and if that doesn't help, just bug me here.
http://wiki.meltybread.com/index.php?n=Characters.Characters
~M
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wowww how did i miss taht thank you sooooo much.
Also everyone in here just post about the best ways to fight in here.
Edit: Also on the keyboard what are the ABCDQ buttons and how do i change them?
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Unfortunately, you can't change the default keys, but you can use key2joy or a similar program to fake a gamepad using the keyboard.
The default keys that I recall are
K=AD
L=ABC
N=A
M=B
,=C
.=D
~M
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wowww how did i miss taht thank you sooooo much.
Also everyone in here just post about the best ways to fight in here.
Edit: Also on the keyboard what are the ABCDQ buttons and how do i change them?
http://raven831.hoops.ne.jp/mpkeycfg.zip (http://raven831.hoops.ne.jp/mpkeycfg.zip)
For KB config.
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thx guys and motoh i think what you have as L is actually J cause l dosent do anything and J does.
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Noted, sorry for the confusion.
~M
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Gawd its so hard to do the stardard combo the 2ABC 5C jC jBC etc :blah: I get stuck after the jC whats up wit dat.
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You're doing a double jump there, right? IE jump C, doublejump BC.
~M
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plus i cant get teh AD or the AAD to work but ive done the right button combo it just dont work.
and umm do you have to not have your opponent on the wall to do the standard combo?
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Arc Drive inputs are a little tricky, practise your timing.
You don't have to corner your opponent to deliver the 2ABC 5C jB jC jumpcancel jB jC airthrow chain.
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Im not comprehending this game i mean granted its like my 3rd day playing it but i play the arcade all the time and stuff and i dont get any better i have a hard tim beating ceil and kokaku on 3 dificulty and i see barily any improvement i mean i have no idea how to get any better at this game i finally learned how to do those like 214A,B,C and 236A,B,C combos and they just arent practical in battle especially combos. The only thing i can realy do even against cpu's is like button mash my way to victory. I dunno i like this game and its good in theory but its hard to get good at. there should be a program that helps you get better Ex. O2mania for o2jam. Or some sort of video tutorial with visuals on the fingers (because im good at copying finger movements ) cause i know how to do it in theory but it just dosent work. I guess it would be better on the ps2 though cause those are the only fighting games im good at are console ones. Japan needs to step it up in the fighting game practicallity department cause alot of the things you do in this game are not practical or fun some of the time and even if you know what buttons your pushing it seems like button mashing from a spectators view. I bet the arcade one is better for this too.
Edit: BTW anyone wanna play a ragnarok private server im getting kinda bored and need friends to hang out with i mean there are on average around 470 people online but i want to be with friends.
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You're kidding on the practicality, right? MBAC isn't too impractical IMO, I play it just fine
The way to become good in a fighting game is to practise, practise, practise. Button timings differ from game to game, so what you can get used to in game X may not feel suitable for game Y. Don't start pointing fingers at the developers just because you aren't good enough at the game.
Don't feel bad at losing to CPU Ciels/Kohakus - they're cheap bastards next to the CPU Nero.
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If you need to feel good, pick up a character like Kohaku.
Amber missile your way to victory!
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well i guess just something seems off i guess that timing thing is right but i dunno this seems like it will take longer to get good at then other fighting games like teken or soul calibur or even street fighter (and i mean realy good) i mean it dosent seem like i spent that much time on those games im like a god at teken and SF but i dunno i guess i just get frustrated when i try to even get close to ciel and she keeps throwing those swords. It realy pisses me off i mean i can beat her but she has the cheepest tricks in the book. I just dont want it to take like years like halo did for me i mean i was like pro at halo 2 but it took me a couple of years before i got that good and i still have alot of my skill. As long as it dosent take that long im good.
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My advice for you is to improvise, just remember up-medium and up-strong, that's how I play my game as Nanaya, my strategy works wonders against Satsuki.
My strategy would be this : Down-Strong, Down-Medium, a few 5a, then a 5C and just do the jb, jc loop twice while dashing to the other side of the screen and throw them the other way after you do it a few times.
^ Combo sucks crap against the CPU Nero though. I freaking hate that guy, whether he's a CPU or a Human, damn jC..I got raped last time I went against him.
Btw, are there any tournaments online?
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Cowless, if you play lots of other fighting games (you mentioned an arcade) then consider your input. Your problem might be related to using a keyboard? Look into a pad or arcade stick for your computer. Or, try out the PS2 version of MBAC. It's somewhat outdated but if you're having trouble using a keyboard it would be an option.
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thx guys for all the imput i guess il just keep playing cause i love the game i just gotta find a way to balance it between homework, mmo's, fps's and watching anime.
BTW: Is melty blood an anime series cause ive seen like clips on youtube that look as if it is?
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Tsukihime was turned into an anime series and that's probably what you saw.
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Can we keep the dumb comments out of the strategy forums?
Thanks.
(This is in response to some of the replies, not the original post.)
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im glad you were not making fun of my original post lol
Also everyone continue to post about strategies cause it would help me very much and lots of other people.
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Yeah, I think that we need to seriously organize just a 'Combo Page' or something like some of the other strategy pages though.
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http://wiki.meltybread.com/index.php?n=Characters.ShikiNanaya
Greetings.
You tell me what you want where, I make it look pretty and useable.
~M
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Do you have any idea on what the actual input is for the 22C / throw / slash / whatever?
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I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're asking.
Are you asking how to do his teleporting jumps/slashes?
~M
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Yeah~
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22 is done in numerical notation, so it means down down. So two down presses and then your attack.
~M
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if you just do 22A/22B. then he just teleports though
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Down Down A is a forward teleport, down down B is an upward teleport, down down C is a teleport feint, quarter circle back A is teleport slash overhead, qcb+B is teleport slash low hit, qcb+C is teleport throw.
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Referring to someone else's post earlier... Forgot >_< I think we should post some serious combos here, like the link that Motoh gave for the wiki is good and all, but I'd really to have some of the combos.
For example, for Nanaya's BnB, I use 2b 2c 5c J.bc J.bc Air Throw.
But... Being the noob that I am, that's the only way I know to start up Nanaya's decent air combo.. And as for strategies and such, I'm not sure how to keep attacking after the throw, any strategies for stuff like that?
Edit: Never mind, I'm a dumbass, found a shitload of advice on the Nanaya Strategy thread. >_<
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The combo ends after the throw. You start all over again.
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Gah I just noticed...2ABC isn't referring to three seperate moves is it?
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Lol, it is
It's just an abbreviated version of 2A 2B 2C
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I see.
I find this odd, but i do a BNB at first ok?
2ABC 5C , but then when I do jb, they turn white and I can't hit them..also, sometimes when I do the jb right, then I can't do a jC..anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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I see.
I find this odd, but i do a BNB at first ok?
2ABC 5C , but then when I do jb, they turn white and I can't hit them..also, sometimes when I do the jb right, then I can't do a jC..anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Are you stalling for at least a second after the 5C? If so then they can air recover after that time frame. and to answer your other question, is jC like missing the character and then they recover, or is jC not coming not at all? b/c thats not possible, jB to jC connects all the time, unless your range is a bit off.
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Try hit jC in the moment of the impact of jB. MB has loose input rules.
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OMG. it works! thanks so much!
Sometimes, the jb is too low too >< But that rarely happens now.
Is it because of the loose input rools that i keep missing with the air throw?
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For the jB jC, is it the same as jBC or do I doublejump from jB to jC?
Because in that combo, I read 4 j-moves.
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You don't doublejump, so jB jC is actually jBC, it's just seperated to make it easier. j simply says that this one needs to be made in air.
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Thanks Rowan. Just saw one of TaMa's vids with it.
Is 7ya's bnb hard to execute? I'm beginner with this though...
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It's relatively easy to do.
Just practice it, and you'll get the hang of it.
When you need to do Super Double Jumps it may feel a little difficult at first, but when you get the feel of it, it'll be second nature to you.
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Ah, when I get to the jumping part, do I jump straight up or forward? If I jump straight up, I can't catch them for the jump cancel and jBC throw.
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Jump toward them.
So at an angle like / as you keep gong upward.
So, like. 9
You can opt to air dash throw afterwards for the ending, or just throw.
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I have some problem when I execute some aerial combo, such like the aerial continuation of the BnB. sometimes it hits, yet sometimes it doesn't. and worse yet, I could never finish with the air throw stuff.
for example, after using 5AABB (or 2ABC) for the aerial setup, the timing was (quite often) off when I try to do jA/jB. the best I was able to do was inserting 2 or 3 consecutive hit using A on the aerial part, and I was never able to pull the air throw in such situation. is it only a matter of timing, or is there something else being left?
thanks before.
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(it's been a while though but whatever)
now at least I can pull the BnB, but still unable to pull it completely until the end. thing is, I always missed the air throw part. as for the BnB,
(2ab) + (2c5c jbc jbc air throw) -> the last is the launcher+aerial part I got problem executing
as I think about it, I should have been able to enter 9 hits (each aerial b should count 2 hits... or am I getting it wrong?), but the best I can pull was only 8 hits and always missing the air throw. I don't really know whether it's only my timing being off or there is something I miss around this part.
anybody can advise me on this?
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Just mash that quick action button. Mash and good things will happen :teach:
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(it's been a while though but whatever)
now at least I can pull the BnB, but still unable to pull it completely until the end. thing is, I always missed the air throw part. as for the BnB,
(2ab) + (2c5c jbc jbc air throw) -> the last is the launcher+aerial part I got problem executing
as I think about it, I should have been able to enter 9 hits (each aerial b should count 2 hits... or am I getting it wrong?), but the best I can pull was only 8 hits and always missing the air throw. I don't really know whether it's only my timing being off or there is something I miss around this part.
anybody can advise me on this?
j.B doesn't necessitate 2 hits. You can go into j.C right after the first hit, and since I honestly have no idea what the timing is for letting those kind of attacks go through, I usually just cancel right away. For example, my j.BC j.BC usually only goes for 4 hits, and like with Warc's bnb where you're supposed to let the j.B hit once/twice depending on the distance they are from you, I never actually get the 2 hits in. j.C and the throw is where most of the damage is coming from, so that's the important part.
EDIT: Yeah, it may be a bad thing to get used to cancelling stuff early rather than strict timing, but it's a way to get started. When messing around with Satsuki I couldn't do her 5B 623C OTG well at all cause I could only do the easily timed 2C 5C 623C loop and ended it in 623B, not filling out the potential of the combo, but just practicing it for a while afterwards helped me learn to do the "correct" combo. You can look at combo videos where you can pull of 4-5k combos, but those all require strict timing. At the very least, going from a landed j.C into Nanaya's 2BC 5B j.BC j.BC throw does a LOT of damage for something so simple, so I don't mind missing a few hundred damage when I gain consistency.
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Wow i cant believe my post is still alive!? :-\ Um Its been a while guys and i got that combo down a long time ago but i kinda stopped playing for a while and told my friend about the game and he is hooked so i gotta learn how to finish my combo with the grab cause i never really properly learned that. but he doesnt know any combos so it doesnt matter. Can someone meet me on a online match so they can teach me how im spose to finish this combo off. I know my form is terrible after all the time off i had. Also is this MBAA on teh computer yet? I want it.
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Ha i remember making this post a long time ago. Ive gotten alot better then when i started (aka when this thread was made) but ive also stopped playing since i got better so im a little rusty. Would anyone like to play this with me online for practice so i can get back in the groove of things? It sure would be fun! :)