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  • What the hell is #Mages-Association, Zar?
#M-A is a channel devoted solely to the Aoko user. Whether you don't know how to get started with Aoko, seek improvement in your game, wish to discuss strategy and high-level play or you're just a complete Aoko fan-boy- this is the haven for you.

What was originally intended to be a player guide/tutorial, "evolved" into a sub-community erected on IRC to mentor beginners and provide a place to discuss the more complex notions between seasoned players.

With Aoko being considered one of the few characters in MB with a steep learning curve, I felt that it was necessary to organize a focus group of sorts in order to network better with other players and help speed up progress with those just starting out or trying to step up their game. While the number of members in the channel are few, I feel that many of the regular attendants (including myself) have greatly improved since the channel was started.

So If you're interested in trying your hand at Aoko as a main or sub character or you're already a current user who wishes to share some of those tricks you have up your sleeves, drop by and see what we're all about.

  • So how do I join this fantastic channel, now?!  :fap:
Server: irc.mizuumi.net
Channel: #mages-association

Just grab an IRC client or software and enter the information above.

This however is a slightly faster method:
1) http://mibbit.com/chat/
2) Click server (top-middle) and enter  irc.mizuumi.net  in the box.
3) In the channel: (mid-right) box enter  #mages-asscoiation
4) Change your Nickname (mid-left) to whatever you think sounds cool
5) Click GO! And that's it. Just give it about 10 seconds and you'll be firing off finger lasers in no time.

If Mibbit is not for you then try out one of these dozens of other clients.
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  • Will it always be "OMG, Aozaki Aoko 100% SRS BSNS!!1"?
Although the channel does mostly focus on Aoko-related topics, we do from time to time discuss other interesting things that may pop up with other characters in MB. There have even been occasions where other fighters (3S, GG, EFZ, etc.) have been mentioned and discussed briefly in the channel.

However, deviating too often - rather never contributing anything to the "main" discussion (e.g. you talk about LOLIS ALL THE TIME) or not interacting at all (i.e. idling for weeks at a time) will likely get you kicked and eventually banned.

Players should come in the channel with the intention of learning the ins and outs of Aoko (heheh) or leaving other members with a bit of advice/info that will help us all improve in some way with the character. Please consider this before joining.

  • I just want to learn anti-Aoko strats/How to beat this orb-camping whore...
"If you know both yourself and your enemy, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss." - Some Old Chinese Dude

What better way to learn how to smash Aoko than by learning about what makes her work?  If you come in the channel expecting a simple answer to your match-up problems VS Aoko then you probably won't get it (although you could be clever about how you ask). We'd be glad to help you get started on learning Aoko and explaining how to approach certain match-ups using her with you though.

  • But my Aoko is is ass. I'll just waste everyone's time...
Everyone has to start somewhere. I've seen quite a few members grow into competent Aoko users by simply asking questions, being patient and determined when training, doing independent research and experimenting as well as getting feedback from others in the channel. Aoko isn't really a character you can pick up in a week and it will take much time, practice and ass-beatings before you notice improvement. Stay true, stay blue and stick with it!

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  • But my Aoko is already GDLK. I'll just be wasting my time...
There's always room for improvement no matter how nice you may think you are. Even one of Japan's top-ranked Aoko users, JefferyManson@Ero, is always finding new ways to tweak/refine his gameplay and create more bizarre techniques and setups to keep up with competition. As more people are starting to get into MB outside of Japan, you can believe that the quality of competition will become more demanding. Will your game be at it's best when that time comes? At #M-A we always try to spread new ideas that will help us stay on top of our game.

...Plus you don't want to keep all of that godliness to yourself, do you?  :teach:

  • So what's this thread for then?
The thread is mainly for presenting any issues you may have when trying to connect to mizuumi.net or the channel. Feel free to also leave any comments or feedback you may have about the channel or its members. Crazy IRC quotes and funny moments or what have you are encouraged as well.

I'll be personally using the thread to post any "special guest visits" that may occur or any long leave of absences that I may take which will likely occur when I'm back in school.

If you wish to post any Aoko MBAA related information please refer to any of the three threads listed below for your convenience, to avoid any unnecessary clutter here and to leave room for troubleshooting & shoutoutssss  :toot:.

« Last Edit: August 16, 2009, 02:34:09 PM by Zar@H »
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 09:33:54 AM »
This is EXACTLY what we've been waiting for. Can't wait to see the finished product. But if you do get lazy, I won't blame you. ;D

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 10:05:01 AM »
Here's JM's site to hold you Sensei fiendz down in the mean time

Jeffrey Maaaansonnnn!
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 06:48:25 PM »
Although I'm pretty sure you'll get to this sooner or later I wanted to ask you this after watching a few matchvids. After doing Aoko123x236C I noticed a few times if you were at mid screen you would 421C and super jump behind it. I'll go back and take a look but I just wanted your input on the uses for that (punishing tech back, training them to fall for other things, etc).

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 02:34:40 AM »
this would be really cool. but if you end up not doing it, its no problem


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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 05:16:00 PM »
thanks for the link.

and he must get around to working on it. it is his destiny. :V

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2007, 09:34:10 AM »
I find in a few match videos a 623A after a shield bait works wonders. It usually leads to a nice setup especially in corners. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents. I also am looking forward to your guide ZAR.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 08:01:30 AM »
Although I'm pretty sure you'll get to this sooner or later I wanted to ask you this after watching a few matchvids. After doing Aoko123x236C I noticed a few times if you were at mid screen you would 421C and super jump behind it. I'll go back and take a look but I just wanted your input on the uses for that (punishing tech back, training them to fall for other things, etc).
Wow, you're probably referring to the GDT finals of yesteryear (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fTBD_7k-_D8). Boy, that was quite some time ago - back when i was still in my noobish experimental stages and well before I came into contact w/ JM. I had no knowledge of her "full" bnb and midscreen mixup was a foreign concept to me so i simply relied on:

6ABC>236C>421[C]>superjump earlyJ.214A

At the time I was under the impression that this was an effective strat that allowed me to attack my opponent on wake up as well as retreat to a held orb to initiate another onslaught of orb defense (which i was also weak at). Bleh, utter trash. Wakeup/okizeme is too crutial to piss away on such nonsense (now i know this fortunately =D) and Blue has much more effective and intimidating setups that I will (hopefully) go into at some point in time. I did apreciate your post Masamuna and reviewing the old footage brought back memories of how "nice" I was (suuuureee i was #1 in the US playing like that). I even managed to "modify" the above garbage into something that may prove to be actually useful:

Opponent about 2-3 char spaces away from corner:
6ABC>236C>421[A]>superjump earlyJ.214B OR 2149B (tk'd orb)>land and release orb>IABD J.CB OR {J.[C]>land 2B}

6abc236c will push the opponent about 1 to 1/2 char spaces away from the corner - just enough space to squeeze in between the held orb and the corner after performing j214b. j214b will push them toward the corner (and you), then you should release the held orb upon landing and while starting IABD. The released orb will result in more push-back into the corner. The opponent will be in block stun while youre decending w/ your hi/lo mixup, where j.cb hits high and j.[c]>2b fients the high allowing you to go low. hmmmm now that im thinking about this again....you could even fient the attack (j.[c]) and throw! But still, i dont believe this strat is as effective as say: 6abc>236c>421|b| *results in the opponent having to stay in the corner
while defending against 4c, throw, IAD shenanigans, etc.* But its still randomly good to add to your arsenal (cough "Ambiguous/Situational Setups")
« Last Edit: April 25, 2007, 08:41:44 AM by ZARtacus! »
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 08:35:56 AM »
I find in a few match videos a 623A after a shield bait works wonders. It usually leads to a nice setup especially in corners.
yeah, but isnt as effective at midscreen. the opponent has too many options to evade a follow up as opposed to landing it in the corner. Sadly this is her best option when antiair shielding and normal shielding (held). Its not as sexy as nanaya or sacchin 5a (antiair) but it gets the job done. Blue could use antiair shield 2a or 5a vs jump-ins and followup for damage + knockdown (CH5a>2c>5c>3c>aerial) but the hitboxes for both are extremely low to the ground, sometimes producing a whiff, and it is also harder to CH multihit jump-ins (e.g. shiki j.b, nero j.b).
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 02:46:03 PM »
623A                       O                                                     X
vs crouching
                   

                        Ciel                                       Arc
                        Miyako                                  Kouma
                        Kohaku                                  Satsuki
                        Warc                                    Warakia
                        Sion                                      VAkiha
                        VSion                                     MHisui
                        Aoko                                      Len
                        Chaos                                     Hisui
                        Nanaya                                   Akiha   
                        Shiki

This list (623A) displays hit(O) or miss(X) vs characters crouching the 2nd hit of 623A where X results in a complete whiff.





421[X]                          O                                                X                         Approx.
vs crouching

 
                            Ciel                                   Arc                       (oops)
                            Miyako                               Kouma                  1sec
                            Kohaku                               Satuki                   2sec
                            Warc                                  Warakia                1sec
                            Sion                                   VAkiha                  4sec
                            VSion                                  Akiha                   4sec
                            Aoko                                   MHisui                  3sec
                            Chaos                                 Hisui                     3sec
                            Shiki                                   Len                      6sec
                            Nanaya

This list (421[X]) displays what characters are able to crouch 421X (where '[X]' is any button). When held ([X]), the orb gradually descends over a period of time. The time that is adjacent to the "X'ed" character gives a rough estimate of how long you would have to hold the orb before it will actually be able to strike that character while crouching.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2007, 03:09:04 PM by ZARtacus! »
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2007, 10:26:11 AM »
...more advancedness (is that even a real word? -lol-)

FREE MOVEMENT CANCEL

transcript: 421[A]>j.236B>j.632146[C](release A)[3]>3A>2B(release C [burst])>j.236B>j.632146C[3]>3A>2B>2C>late 3C>214C>j.236B>j.214[9]C>j.B>j.C>dj.B>dj.C>tj.B>tj.C>airthrow

Discuss!
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2007, 02:18:11 PM »
does that still work with v.b2?

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2007, 03:20:48 PM »
sigh. well, thats what im currently trying to find out. I've mailed my only japanese contact (JM) who may provide me with the information but he's been m.i.a. for the last 2 wks. And sadly, the last three times I've actually touched a verB2 cab the thought of testing completely slipped my mind due to my greater concern with adjusting to the akward speed (go ps2  :emo:).
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2007, 04:21:38 PM »
A question: How fast would you say the cancel feels like? Like a shield bunker cancel?
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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 04:37:24 PM »
Okay, I didn't realize that you linked to a video and you had the whole thing explained there.  :V

Anyway, I think I did it, but I'll double check with my friend and try to get it taped, cuz it's kinda hard to do it with crazy AI like Nero who just counters everything, plus the fact that I suck on a stick and can't do 236B immediately after an IAD, so I end up doing deep jump-in -> j.236B. :p

I'm probably doing this in vain but oh well.

BTW, kara cancel would probably be a more appropiate term for this trick. It is an empty cancel...
« Last Edit: June 29, 2007, 04:39:19 PM by Clear Sky »
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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2007, 11:51:08 PM »
Any move in any fighter(ok so there's a few exceptions) gets canceled on landing.  It's not a kara cancel.  Doesn't always remove your recovery frames though.

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Re: Nothing But Blue Skies Ahead...(Advanced->Beginner Guide)
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2007, 01:40:09 AM »
It was my mistake focusing on 236B -> 643214C, when it should of been about 643214C being too low to come out. Anyway...I'll try see if I can get it this week.

Edit: Unfortunately, I didn't have the chance to do what I said, but at least the PC version is out so people can test it out. *shrug*
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Oh shit, ZAR POSTED!!!  :o

Yeah, I'm "back" so to say. Not to add to the guide however but to announce some (moderately) fantastic news!

Approximately 2mths ago I decided utilize mbcaster to assist an individual who showed great interest in learning the ways of a Magic Gunner. Throughout the wks. he gradually began to progress and show some improvement with each session (despite the "difficulties" mbcaster presents  :emo:). Shortly after, another inquired about the basics of Aoko. He didn't seem to be as enthusiastic as my former client but I decided to show him some basics anyway (surprisingly he was familiar with the full bnb).

After observing both of my clients struggles to grasp the character and grow to overcome the trials I threw at them, I soon began to realize how truly effective mbcaster can be as a tutorial tool. Then it hit me...

Zar, you're a lazy fuck and you hate doing periodical write ups but at the same time you want to see other Aoko players succeed, you want to see more Aokos populate and you would also like to discuss Aoko strats to evolve your own gameplay. Why not just do what you're doing now (using IRC and mbcaster) but on a wider scale?! :psyduck: You can communicate live with players, answer their questions on the spot and show them first-hand how to perform beginner through advanced techniques all while avoiding the nuisance of creating reps for combos/strats, encoding them, uploading them, etc. AND not have to type up a damn thing in the thread (so many  :blah:).

So with that epiphany comes this...


The Mages-Association on IRC!!!

Yes, the School of Magic Gunners. Here, the experienced and inexperienced alike will be able to:

  • Learn the core basics of Aozaki Aoko: BnBs, Movement, Beginnger Okizeme, and more
  • Progress to more advanced techniques such as: orb charge toggling, utilizing dash momentum, Advanced Okizeme.
  • Exchange strats and advice with n00bs and l33t Aoko players (guest appearances by Jeffrey Manson!?  :mystery:)
  • Discuss character match-ups and VS Character strats.
  • Become an assistant teacher to aide newcomers.
  • Participate in combo exhibition challenges and All-Aoko netplay (sorry) tournaments.
  • Discuss story-related topics pertaining to Aozaki Aoko and theorize the meaning behind her mysterious Last Arc (aka MVC2 Globe) :slowpoke:.
  • Give Zar all of your Aoko Doujins:fap:
  • Overwhelm the MB communities with a Legion of Aokos!


Now of course every secret society has its set of "rules" and to not abide by them could lead to disastrous consequences  >:D....Meh, I'll just kick/ban your ass for a while  :-\. But seriously though, here's what I expect from the people that decide to pledge allegiance to Aoko-Sensei:

  • Have a general interest in learning the "Destructive Arts" (i.e. you play Aoko as your main or first sub)
  • Session with other "trainers": Sorry, but you can't just come in the channel and idle for a mth and not expect me to check on your progress. This is serious business here. That goes for you animufag people as well. I have no problem with people fagging it up (no homo) but I expect people to be learning as well so I will ask around.
  • No "dissing" other Aoko players in the chan (cus you all suck anyway - j/k  ;) ). We will all be there for a common purpose and that is to see your fullest potential as an Aoko user and fap to Aoko doujins - so show love for your Aoko-loving brothers (and sisters?).
  • Unless you have some very important Aoko-related news (vids, bugs, strats, etc.), please don't beg or ask for ops (@) in the channel.  :'(
  • As for lurkers and idlers: Whooboy. Just...don't...do it. I'm a complete Nazi about this shit. Just...don't...do it. Since we all can't be on IRC at the same time I or some other higher up will /query you a warning or ask you to demonstrate your "loyalty to Aoko". No, you don't have to cut off a finger or anything like that. We just want to know if you are learning anything......(Mmmm fascism.)

Frankly, I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my rules. If you don't like them, don't bother showing up or just peace yourself out of the chan (or I most likely will do it for you). The people that are most dedicated to learning will put up with the bullshit and see positive results*. If you show up in the chan expecting to come out a stronger or more knowledgeable Aoko user then respect-knuckles to you - this is the purpose of the chan. I just hope that this focus group will strengthen our communities bond and skill lvl as a whole. See you guys there!!** (...or not)  ::).

~Zar The Biscuit


*disclaimer: results may vary among indviduals -lol-
**The "main" channel is currently setup and a "dummy" channel (which will likely be abandoned by Monday) is open on efnet.  If you are interested just post or pm your thoughts, expectations and such then I will contact you with more information regarding the "offisho" channel. I will also be personally hunting down other Aoko players that I know of for an invite to the channel's debut.





PS - I'm an emote whore.  8)
« Last Edit: December 15, 2007, 04:49:06 PM by ZARtacus! »
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

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.......................GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEEE!!!!!!

I'll find you, I swear!



Other news: Sending out more invites tomorrow. Get your learn on!  :teach:

zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.

Offline AkiraTheMastodon

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If you really want it, i can upload it.  :fap:

(I'm also interested in joining Mage's Association D:)
Name courtesy of LoliSauce.
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なぜならなぜならそれは。。。 幻想郷にバス無い!

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  • Participate in combo exhibition challenges and All-Aoko netplay (sorry) tournaments.

I'd love to participate for that alone (winner and only participant of Ikusat's challenges!) but I likely won't be getting an invite.   :'(
<Xenozip> actually i think miyako was intuitive for linalys
<Xenozip> simple because his playstyle is.. well..
<Xenozip> linalys
<Xenozip> true chaotic

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I'll mspaint Aoko doujins for you if unless i get an invite!

Haven't played MB in a while, but I need to get my game on!
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 04:41:57 AM by Nehle »

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Quote from: Akira
If you really want it, i can upload it.  :fap:

(I'm also interested in joining Mage's Association D:)
Uhhh, plz do. And check your pm's.


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I'd love to participate for that alone (winner and only participant of Ikusat's challenges!) but I likely won't be getting an invite.  :'(
Are you prepared to do something along the lines of this?


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I'll mspaint Aoko doujins for you if unless i get an invite!

Haven't played MB in a while, but I need to get my game on!
Hey Nehle, whats up? I was planning to msg you via msn since Shinjin was kind enough to give me your screen name. Anyways, check your pm's later.

....And you don't have to bribe me w/ mspaint doujins.....but if you insist, I'll take them off your hands. lol
zar are you even aware that your attitude is what drove people off in the first place. i think zar's attitude is worse than all of that. cause neither of you guys mean anything. but zar can poison shit around him. zar's the one that gets personal online and does realtalk that's out of line.