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Atlas Academy => Melty Blood: Act Cadenza => Aoko Aozaki => : AARP|ZTB March 21, 2007, 09:30:56 AM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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- What the hell is #Mages-Association, Zar?
#M-A is a channel devoted solely to the Aoko user. Whether you don't know how to get started with Aoko, seek improvement in your game, wish to discuss strategy and high-level play or you're just a complete Aoko fan-boy- this is the haven for you.
What was originally intended to be a player guide/tutorial, "evolved" into a sub-community erected on IRC to mentor beginners and provide a place to discuss the more complex notions between seasoned players.
With Aoko being considered one of the few characters in MB with a steep learning curve, I felt that it was necessary to organize a focus group of sorts in order to network better with other players and help speed up progress with those just starting out or trying to step up their game. While the number of members in the channel are few, I feel that many of the regular attendants (including myself) have greatly improved since the channel was started.
So If you're interested in trying your hand at Aoko as a main or sub character or you're already a current user who wishes to share some of those tricks you have up your sleeves, drop by and see what we're all about.
- So how do I join this fantastic channel, now?! :fap:
Server: irc.mizuumi.net
Channel: #mages-association
Just grab an IRC client or software and enter the information above.
This however is a slightly faster method:
1) http://mibbit.com/chat/
2) Click server (top-middle) and enter irc.mizuumi.net in the box.
3) In the channel: (mid-right) box enter #mages-asscoiation
4) Change your Nickname (mid-left) to whatever you think sounds cool
5) Click GO! And that's it. Just give it about 10 seconds and you'll be firing off finger lasers in no time.
If Mibbit is not for you then try out one of these dozens of other clients.
IRC Clients (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients)
- Will it always be "OMG, Aozaki Aoko 100% SRS BSNS!!1"?
Although the channel does mostly focus on Aoko-related topics, we do from time to time discuss other interesting things that may pop up with other characters in MB. There have even been occasions where other fighters (3S, GG, EFZ, etc.) have been mentioned and discussed briefly in the channel.
However, deviating too often - rather never contributing anything to the "main" discussion (e.g. you talk about LOLIS ALL THE TIME) or not interacting at all (i.e. idling for weeks at a time) will likely get you kicked and eventually banned.
Players should come in the channel with the intention of learning the ins and outs of Aoko (heheh) or leaving other members with a bit of advice/info that will help us all improve in some way with the character. Please consider this before joining.
- I just want to learn anti-Aoko strats/How to beat this orb-camping whore...
"If you know both yourself and your enemy, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss." - Some Old Chinese Dude
What better way to learn how to smash Aoko than by learning about what makes her work? If you come in the channel expecting a simple answer to your match-up problems VS Aoko then you probably won't get it (although you could be clever about how you ask). We'd be glad to help you get started on learning Aoko and explaining how to approach certain match-ups using her with you though.
- But my Aoko is is ass. I'll just waste everyone's time...
Everyone has to start somewhere. I've seen quite a few members grow into competent Aoko users by simply asking questions, being patient and determined when training, doing independent research and experimenting as well as getting feedback from others in the channel. Aoko isn't really a character you can pick up in a week and it will take much time, practice and ass-beatings before you notice improvement. Stay true, stay blue and stick with it!
Zar Month 1 Aoko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBD_7k-_D8&feature=channel_page)
- But my Aoko is already GDLK. I'll just be wasting my time...
There's always room for improvement no matter how nice you may think you are. Even one of Japan's top-ranked Aoko users, JefferyManson@Ero, is always finding new ways to tweak/refine his gameplay and create more bizarre techniques and setups to keep up with competition. As more people are starting to get into MB outside of Japan, you can believe that the quality of competition will become more demanding. Will your game be at it's best when that time comes? At #M-A we always try to spread new ideas that will help us stay on top of our game.
...Plus you don't want to keep all of that godliness to yourself, do you? :teach:
- So what's this thread for then?
The thread is mainly for presenting any issues you may have when trying to connect to mizuumi.net or the channel. Feel free to also leave any comments or feedback you may have about the channel or its members. Crazy IRC quotes and funny moments or what have you are encouraged as well.
I'll be personally using the thread to post any "special guest visits" that may occur or any long leave of absences that I may take which will likely occur when I'm back in school.
If you wish to post any Aoko MBAA related information please refer to any of the three threads listed below for your convenience, to avoid any unnecessary clutter here and to leave room for troubleshooting & shoutoutssss :toot:.
- Crescent Moon Aoko Thread (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/aoko-aozaki/crescent-moon-aoko-guide-mbaa-verps2-ver1-(arcade)/)
- Half Moon Aoko Thread (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/aoko-aozaki/(half-moon)-aoko-guide-mbaa-verps2-ver1-(arcade)/)
- Full Moon Aoko Thread (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/aoko-aozaki/(full-moon)-aoko-guide-mbaa-verps2-ver-a-(arcade)/)
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This is EXACTLY what we've been waiting for. Can't wait to see the finished product. But if you do get lazy, I won't blame you. ;D
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Here's JM's site to hold you Sensei fiendz down in the mean time
Jeffrey Maaaansonnnn! (http://akiba.geocities.jp/narusisusakuretu/index.html)
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Although I'm pretty sure you'll get to this sooner or later I wanted to ask you this after watching a few matchvids. After doing Aoko123x236C I noticed a few times if you were at mid screen you would 421C and super jump behind it. I'll go back and take a look but I just wanted your input on the uses for that (punishing tech back, training them to fall for other things, etc).
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this would be really cool. but if you end up not doing it, its no problem
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thanks for the link.
and he must get around to working on it. it is his destiny. :V
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I find in a few match videos a 623A after a shield bait works wonders. It usually leads to a nice setup especially in corners. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents. I also am looking forward to your guide ZAR.
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Although I'm pretty sure you'll get to this sooner or later I wanted to ask you this after watching a few matchvids. After doing Aoko123x236C I noticed a few times if you were at mid screen you would 421C and super jump behind it. I'll go back and take a look but I just wanted your input on the uses for that (punishing tech back, training them to fall for other things, etc).
Wow, you're probably referring to the GDT finals of yesteryear (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fTBD_7k-_D8). Boy, that was quite some time ago - back when i was still in my noobish experimental stages and well before I came into contact w/ JM. I had no knowledge of her "full" bnb and midscreen mixup was a foreign concept to me so i simply relied on:
6ABC>236C>421[C]>superjump earlyJ.214A
At the time I was under the impression that this was an effective strat that allowed me to attack my opponent on wake up as well as retreat to a held orb to initiate another onslaught of orb defense (which i was also weak at). Bleh, utter trash. Wakeup/okizeme is too crutial to piss away on such nonsense (now i know this fortunately =D) and Blue has much more effective and intimidating setups that I will (hopefully) go into at some point in time. I did apreciate your post Masamuna and reviewing the old footage brought back memories of how "nice" I was (suuuureee i was #1 in the US playing like that). I even managed to "modify" the above garbage into something that may prove to be actually useful:
Opponent about 2-3 char spaces away from corner:
6ABC>236C>421[A]>superjump earlyJ.214B OR 2149B (tk'd orb)>land and release orb>IABD J.CB OR {J.[C]>land 2B}
6abc236c will push the opponent about 1 to 1/2 char spaces away from the corner - just enough space to squeeze in between the held orb and the corner after performing j214b. j214b will push them toward the corner (and you), then you should release the held orb upon landing and while starting IABD. The released orb will result in more push-back into the corner. The opponent will be in block stun while youre decending w/ your hi/lo mixup, where j.cb hits high and j.[c]>2b fients the high allowing you to go low. hmmmm now that im thinking about this again....you could even fient the attack (j.[c]) and throw! But still, i dont believe this strat is as effective as say: 6abc>236c>421|b| *results in the opponent having to stay in the corner
while defending against 4c, throw, IAD shenanigans, etc.* But its still randomly good to add to your arsenal (cough "Ambiguous/Situational Setups")
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I find in a few match videos a 623A after a shield bait works wonders. It usually leads to a nice setup especially in corners.
yeah, but isnt as effective at midscreen. the opponent has too many options to evade a follow up as opposed to landing it in the corner. Sadly this is her best option when antiair shielding and normal shielding (held). Its not as sexy as nanaya or sacchin 5a (antiair) but it gets the job done. Blue could use antiair shield 2a or 5a vs jump-ins and followup for damage + knockdown (CH5a>2c>5c>3c>aerial) but the hitboxes for both are extremely low to the ground, sometimes producing a whiff, and it is also harder to CH multihit jump-ins (e.g. shiki j.b, nero j.b).
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623A O X
vs crouching
Ciel Arc
Miyako Kouma
Kohaku Satsuki
Warc Warakia
Sion VAkiha
VSion MHisui
Aoko Len
Chaos Hisui
Nanaya Akiha
Shiki
This list (623A) displays hit(O) or miss(X) vs characters crouching the 2nd hit of 623A where X results in a complete whiff.
421[X] O X Approx.
vs crouching
Ciel Arc (oops)
Miyako Kouma 1sec
Kohaku Satuki 2sec
Warc Warakia 1sec
Sion VAkiha 4sec
VSion Akiha 4sec
Aoko MHisui 3sec
Chaos Hisui 3sec
Shiki Len 6sec
Nanaya
This list (421[X]) displays what characters are able to crouch 421X (where '[X]' is any button). When held ([X]), the orb gradually descends over a period of time. The time that is adjacent to the "X'ed" character gives a rough estimate of how long you would have to hold the orb before it will actually be able to strike that character while crouching.
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...more advancedness (is that even a real word? -lol-)
FREE MOVEMENT CANCEL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPDiK6wHfzs)
transcript: 421[A]>j.236B>j.632146[C](release A)[3]>3A>2B(release C [burst])>j.236B>j.632146C[3]>3A>2B>2C>late 3C>214C>j.236B>j.214[9]C>j.B>j.C>dj.B>dj.C>tj.B>tj.C>airthrow
Discuss!
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does that still work with v.b2?
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sigh. well, thats what im currently trying to find out. I've mailed my only japanese contact (JM) who may provide me with the information but he's been m.i.a. for the last 2 wks. And sadly, the last three times I've actually touched a verB2 cab the thought of testing completely slipped my mind due to my greater concern with adjusting to the akward speed (go ps2 :emo:).
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A question: How fast would you say the cancel feels like? Like a shield bunker cancel?
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Okay, I didn't realize that you linked to a video and you had the whole thing explained there. :V
Anyway, I think I did it, but I'll double check with my friend and try to get it taped, cuz it's kinda hard to do it with crazy AI like Nero who just counters everything, plus the fact that I suck on a stick and can't do 236B immediately after an IAD, so I end up doing deep jump-in -> j.236B. :p
I'm probably doing this in vain but oh well.
BTW, kara cancel would probably be a more appropiate term for this trick. It is an empty cancel...
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Any move in any fighter(ok so there's a few exceptions) gets canceled on landing. It's not a kara cancel. Doesn't always remove your recovery frames though.
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It was my mistake focusing on 236B -> 643214C, when it should of been about 643214C being too low to come out. Anyway...I'll try see if I can get it this week.
Edit: Unfortunately, I didn't have the chance to do what I said, but at least the PC version is out so people can test it out. *shrug*
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Oh shit, ZAR POSTED!!! :o
Yeah, I'm "back" so to say. Not to add to the guide however but to announce some (moderately) fantastic news!
Approximately 2mths ago I decided utilize mbcaster to assist an individual who showed great interest in learning the ways of a Magic Gunner. Throughout the wks. he gradually began to progress and show some improvement with each session (despite the "difficulties" mbcaster presents :emo:). Shortly after, another inquired about the basics of Aoko. He didn't seem to be as enthusiastic as my former client but I decided to show him some basics anyway (surprisingly he was familiar with the full bnb).
After observing both of my clients struggles to grasp the character and grow to overcome the trials I threw at them, I soon began to realize how truly effective mbcaster can be as a tutorial tool. Then it hit me...
Zar, you're a lazy fuck and you hate doing periodical write ups but at the same time you want to see other Aoko players succeed, you want to see more Aokos populate and you would also like to discuss Aoko strats to evolve your own gameplay. Why not just do what you're doing now (using IRC and mbcaster) but on a wider scale?! :psyduck: You can communicate live with players, answer their questions on the spot and show them first-hand how to perform beginner through advanced techniques all while avoiding the nuisance of creating reps for combos/strats, encoding them, uploading them, etc. AND not have to type up a damn thing in the thread (so many :blah:).
So with that epiphany comes this...
The Mages-Association on IRC!!!
Yes, the School of Magic Gunners. Here, the experienced and inexperienced alike will be able to:
- Learn the core basics of Aozaki Aoko: BnBs, Movement, Beginnger Okizeme, and more
- Progress to more advanced techniques such as: orb charge toggling, utilizing dash momentum, Advanced Okizeme.
- Exchange strats and advice with n00bs and l33t Aoko players (guest appearances by Jeffrey Manson!? :mystery:)
- Discuss character match-ups and VS Character strats.
- Become an assistant teacher to aide newcomers.
- Participate in combo exhibition challenges and All-Aoko netplay (sorry) tournaments.
- Discuss story-related topics pertaining to Aozaki Aoko and theorize the meaning behind her mysterious Last Arc (aka MVC2 Globe) :slowpoke:.
- Give Zar all of your Aoko Doujins. :fap:
- Overwhelm the MB communities with a Legion of Aokos!
Now of course every secret society has its set of "rules" and to not abide by them could lead to disastrous consequences >:D....Meh, I'll just kick/ban your ass for a while :-\. But seriously though, here's what I expect from the people that decide to pledge allegiance to Aoko-Sensei:
- Have a general interest in learning the "Destructive Arts" (i.e. you play Aoko as your main or first sub)
- Session with other "trainers": Sorry, but you can't just come in the channel and idle for a mth and not expect me to check on your progress. This is serious business here. That goes for you animufag people as well. I have no problem with people fagging it up (no homo) but I expect people to be learning as well so I will ask around.
- No "dissing" other Aoko players in the chan (cus you all suck anyway - j/k ;) ). We will all be there for a common purpose and that is to see your fullest potential as an Aoko user and fap to Aoko doujins - so show love for your Aoko-loving brothers (and sisters?).
- Unless you have some very important Aoko-related news (vids, bugs, strats, etc.), please don't beg or ask for ops (@) in the channel. :'(
- As for lurkers and idlers: Whooboy. Just...don't...do it. I'm a complete Nazi about this shit. Just...don't...do it. Since we all can't be on IRC at the same time I or some other higher up will /query you a warning or ask you to demonstrate your "loyalty to Aoko". No, you don't have to cut off a finger or anything like that. We just want to know if you are learning anything......(Mmmm fascism.)
Frankly, I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my rules. If you don't like them, don't bother showing up or just peace yourself out of the chan (or I most likely will do it for you). The people that are most dedicated to learning will put up with the bullshit and see positive results*. If you show up in the chan expecting to come out a stronger or more knowledgeable Aoko user then respect-knuckles to you - this is the purpose of the chan. I just hope that this focus group will strengthen our communities bond and skill lvl as a whole. See you guys there!!** (...or not) ::).
~Zar The Biscuit
*disclaimer: results may vary among indviduals -lol-
**The "main" channel is currently setup and a "dummy" channel (which will likely be abandoned by Monday) is open on efnet. If you are interested just post or pm your thoughts, expectations and such then I will contact you with more information regarding the "offisho" channel. I will also be personally hunting down other Aoko players that I know of for an invite to the channel's debut.
PS - I'm an emote whore. 8)
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Aoko BANZAI!~
~Chun
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Give Zar all of your Aoko Doujins.
I have only one. :(
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>:(
.......................GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I'll find you, I swear!
Other news: Sending out more invites tomorrow. Get your learn on! :teach:
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If you really want it, i can upload it. :fap:
(I'm also interested in joining Mage's Association D:)
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- Participate in combo exhibition challenges and All-Aoko netplay (sorry) tournaments.
I'd love to participate for that alone (winner and only participant of Ikusat's challenges!) but I likely won't be getting an invite. :'(
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I'll mspaint Aoko doujins for you
if unless i get an invite!
Haven't played MB in a while, but I need to get my game on!
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If you really want it, i can upload it. :fap:
(I'm also interested in joining Mage's Association D:)
Uhhh, plz do. And check your pm's.
I'd love to participate for that alone (winner and only participant of Ikusat's challenges!) but I likely won't be getting an invite. :'(
Are you prepared to do something along the lines of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlLjJlQuRjc)?
I'll mspaint Aoko doujins for you if unless i get an invite!
Haven't played MB in a while, but I need to get my game on!
Hey Nehle, whats up? I was planning to msg you via msn since Shinjin was kind enough to give me your screen name. Anyways, check your pm's later.
....And you don't have to bribe me w/ mspaint doujins.....but if you insist, I'll take them off your hands. lol
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Are you prepared to do something along the lines of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlLjJlQuRjc)?
No, but that's the point of joining. So I can learn to do that sort of stuff!
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Not even one day later after starting this class, I can do basic orb loop. woo! This class works! :teach:
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Haha, thanks Lin. I was kinda surprised how fast you picked up the orb loop. Most ppl lack the dexterity or have to condition themselves a bit longer before being able to understand how it works/how to exe it. But i guess since you play a variety of chars you have more confidence and understanding of the chars in general.........that and my instructions are gdlk :fap:. Thanks for listening though. You still have to get down that airdash variation of the orb though! (214c>airdash>j.a j.b>etc.).
Benkyou~, soshite renshu~
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my instructions are gdlk :fap:.
Benkyou~, soshite renshu~
Repeated for emphasis.
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I like the sound of this. Endless opportunities await.
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Hello , i'm a french Aoko player.
I'm pretty interested in this community so i'm asking if i can join you all ?
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I've only been part of this community and played the game for 3 weeks now.
Just a quick question, Z;
Are you the Aoko player I watched casual with HeartNana's Sion for awhile at NEC?
Tall-ish, sorta lanky, short hair, playing on the left side?
Because shit, if that was you,
just know that watching you play him is what made me pick up this game in the first place.
Aoko is/was my main, but since I couldn't find anyone or any way to help me improve with her, I moved onto another character I want to learn, Asuka Langley Sohryu Sacchin.
But this sounds like it would benefit me greatly, if you're willing to put time into a scrub like me.
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I've only been part of this community and played the game for 3 weeks now.
Just a quick question, Z;
Are you the Aoko player I watched casual with HeartNana's Sion for awhile at NEC?
Tall-ish, sorta lanky, short hair, playing on the left side?
Because shit, if that was you,
just know that watching you play him is what made me pick up this game in the first place.
Aoko is/was my main, but since I couldn't find anyone or any way to help me improve with her, I moved onto another character I want to learn, Asuka Langley Sohryu Sacchin.
But this sounds like it would benefit me greatly, if you're willing to put time into a scrub like me.
Hmmmm well I did play a few casual sets w/ <37 sometime before the event started. I do recall being on the left side, yes. I am rather lanky. I have a shaved head - practically bald (short hair?) and I'm usually donning my Aoko cap w/ matching keychain and a bandanna on my head or around my neck.
Hmmmm I also play default Aoko color (blue jeans, red hair)....I guess that could have been me. :-\
Well, even if it wasn't me, the channel would probably be a good start for learning aoko and there's also a recent tutorial xenozip developed that you can find in this forum as well. So far, the channel has a fair number of intermediate to advanced players so I'm sure one of us can help you out and get you started.
Request a pm for the hook up. 8)
(NJ mb players are coming out of nowhere now :psyduck:)
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I'm almost sure it was you.
I sat there watching Rob get massacred, wondering what those orbs were doing.
Wondering why the left side char had 3 air jumps and 2 airdashes.
Thinking that watching Aoko hit someone was so god damn RAW.
I went up and asked inbetween one of your matches "Who's the best character in the game", to be answered by Rob "Sion".
But from what I could see, he was getting obliterated.
Being that I'm not new to top-level fighting games, I could tell the difference in ability.
White. Shaved head. Sorta lanky. Beast Aoko.
Anyone else fit that description?
PM me with the hookup.
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Hello, I just joined the thread today, but i've been playing Aoko for about a good year now. I've been watching Zar's videos and coming up with my own strategies that may word on avid players, but truly good players not so much lol. Though that's not what i'm writing for, I own a mac computer so I can't get mIRC, so how else can I get into the Magic Gunners school?
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@ Kid.D
Hmmm I wouldn't be so quick to put off Rob's abilities so easily. For someone that played MB semi-casually in Japan for a brief period of time and went on hiatus for god knows how long, he's far more competent than a good amount of the serious MB players at the moment. (Just goes to show you how strong Japan's MB scene is even a yr ago :emo:). He also has no comp in his area but still manages to give me a hard time when he gets pressure going. Keep in mind that those victories were not in any way free for me.
As for 'best char in the game', yes the majority of US players agree to it that Sion is pretty 'up there'. But tiers don't say much for MB because the 'better player' usually tends to win more in an extensive set (although counter matches exist which can be annoying but still winnable if played smart).
p.s. I'm not white/caucasian :-\
@ Nishiki
...Yet another Jersey player. Playing Blue for a year? Where have you been hiding? I'm guessing that you haven't gone to many events for mb? If you have a community of players I would encourage you to post in the Regional Forum to let others know of your existence.
http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/platforms-macos.html (http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/platforms-macos.html) <--- Grab one of these and expect a PM soon.
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Yeah, I haven't lol, but I was there when you were at Web2zone on March 10th lol. I also how can I get Melty Blood Ver B on my computer, also remember my comp is a Mac so meh it'll probably be tough.
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I recommend X-Chat Aqua (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xchataqua/). Also, last time I checked, running MBAC under Mac OS was not too fun (even when using virtualization).
I wish you luck in your Aoko journey. I suck balls, so I'd probably annoy the hell out of everyone, haha.
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Thanks for the help. ^^
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Interested in joining your Aoko community and wanted to know what irc channel everyone is in and also I am still new to MeltyBlood. How do you guys play on Mbcaster ???
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I really don't mind if it sucks on mac, I just want to have it. I mean I have Ps2 act cadenza, don't know how good that is to practice in, also with actress again coming out. Could I possibly have a link so I can download it for the Mac? Thanks for the help. ^^
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I really don't mind if it sucks on mac, I just want to have it. I mean I have Ps2 act cadenza, don't know how good that is to practice in, also with actress again coming out. Could I possibly have a link so I can download it for the Mac? Thanks for the help. ^^
The PS2 version is a relic, some characters have gotten serious changes and hitstop changes drastically mess with your execution.
MBAC is not officially supported on the Mac, can't you use Boot Camp or something?
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I maybe able to get it, i'll keep ya posted.
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Zar is it alright if I throw an Aoko-playing EU I know your way?
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Aoko playing EU here, too. Though she's not that popular amongst the MBAC players here.
But I like her, she used to be my main, then I switched to Kouma. But I'm training to get good with her. Jesus, her orbs are deadly.
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Zar is it alright if I throw an Aoko-playing EU I know your way?
I'm guessing that you're referring to Fabro Rowan here?
@Farbro & Diar
Invites coming your way tonight, guys. A few ppl in the chan can help you w/ your mbcaster issue, Diar.
@Nishiki
How's that Melty Blood issue coming along? When you get situated, let me know via PM.
@Keith
Dude, it's ok if you "suck balls" (hopefully not literally...not that there's anything wrong w/ that :-X). If you have an interest in learning more about Aoko then I have the patience. There are some other experienced Aoko players in the channel as well that may be able to help you find what you seek. :mystery:
IMPORTANT NOTICE
From Jan 16th - Jan 24th I will be absent from the internets which will inevitably leave me unable to attend meets and sessions in the Aoko Channel. I will also be unable to send out invites or read PM's but feel free to PM me or ask questions in the thread during my absence so that I may respond promptly upon my return.
To the channel n00beez that arrive in the chan while I'm not there, please feel free to acquaint yourselves with your other Aoko brethren.
I plan to kick things into second gear in the channel when I come back. I feel that I have not involved myself w/ the other members enough so I must make up for it. I intend to pester Jeffrey Manson into showing up in the chan (cus he's cool like that 8) ) and get him to chat l33t Aoko strats w/ the other members. Also, I will encourage other members to start viewing and posting links of their favorite Aoko players/matches so that we can engage in discussion and analysis to better our understanding of Ms. Blue.
To those that I've been "training", keep practicing while I'm gone plz ;D. Expect sum testseses when I come back.
~ZtB
:prinny: <--- wtf is this?
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That right there is a Prinny.
Taken from Wikipedia:
Prinnies are a fictional race of creatures in Nippon Ichi's turn based strategy RPGs. They are usually found in the various realms of the company's numerous strategy games, making their first appearance in Disgaea: Hour of Darkness.
A prinny resembles a small, usually blue, pouch-wearing penguin with disproportionately small bat wings and two peg legs where feet would normally be. When thrown, it explodes on impact. A common trait of the prinnies is their upbeat attitude and frequent use of the word "dood" (as an interjection - they constantly end their sentences with "-ssu" in the Japanese dialogue).
So, I'm down for this Aoko training. Count me in. I already sub her (KohaHisu takes the main spot. It's just too damn easy/fun to dish out damage with broom rape), so maybe with some effort, I can actually do decent/awesome stuff with her.
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Rawr, I'm pretty much a newb in this game but someone happened to find my practice video and sent a message. So yea, on which IRC channel are you guys hanging in exactly? It would be interesting to talk about gameplay stuff and such.
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Hmmm, I should have probably mentioned that I'm back....(I'm sure ppl knew this already, so whatever)
Anyway. Hey Ryongi, that was me that sent the youtube mail (darkdrizzle) informing you about the Aoko-onrii online community we've just established. Saw your practice vid and figured you were just starting out with Aoko. I'll probably be guiding you the most but a few of the other players (actually most now) can help you to understand the basic mechanics of Aoko while I'm not around. Eventually, you'll progress to the more complex and fun stuff so that you can try out on your friends! 8)
So expect a pm w/ more info soon and drop by whenever you can. You may want to make time for this weekend cus....we may just have a "saplaizu guesto" around that time. :mystery:
**I plan to have a new vid up on the wknd (throw oki/otg stuff) and I'll be working on another (ex orb stuff) in the following wk. Don't expect anything amazing though. Just want to generate and share some ideas using the things I've been messing around with on training mode.
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:prinny:
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Zar! One day I gotta fight you. That Aoko too cool.
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Geez, I was absent a long time, too. Needed to reinstall my computer and had much trouble with my graphics card. But now I'll lurk moar in the channel.
Welcome back, Zar!
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Hey there new(-ish) Aoko player here. I ostensibly main Miyako but I do a lot
better less badly with Aoko, so I may switch to maining her. Only really been practicing/playing seriously since a very short time ago, but I'm enjoying the game a bunch and would love to get better at it. Unfortunately I live way over in Christchurch, New Zealand, where there is no scene for anything but a dozen Tekken players, and netplay tends to run at delay 09.... I still try, though.
That all being said, I'm interested in this Aoko Training Dojo. Hit me up with a PM for the channel and I'll pop in.
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Is this community still alive? I would like to join if it is. (Maybe I read wrong or can't find the server or channel on Efnet)
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I want to fight Zar. :D
Thats how I learn the best. :teach:
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Is this community still alive? I would like to join if it is. (Maybe I read wrong or can't find the server or channel on Efnet)
...yeah, I should have probably mentioned this some time ago but the Mages-Association is disbanded (as of March 3rd, '08). Due to IRL shit that must be taken care of, I will no longer be able to provide sessions for at least the next 6mths or so (with a possibility of not ever again). As the channel was a learning community (with few that already established some knowhow but wanted to aoko-chat) a portion of its members were new to aoko or just starting out with her. But since I'm no longer around to provide info, the channel no longer has purpose. One or two ppl show up from time to time when I randomly hop in the channel to say "what's up" but there is often no activity whatsoever since I announced the termination of training sessions.
So yeah, it's pretty much done. Sorry to those ppl that were interested but were a bit late on the invite requests. I hope all you Aoko players out there will still continue to strive to become the best Aoko player in your community (..or in THE WORLD! :o). Keep training, experimenting, studying vids/matches (jp and your own), stay focused (aoko onree lol), gaining battle exp. and you will definitely see the results you desire. Cus hey, It worked for me...And I'm still learning!!! :teach:
~Zar The Biscuit
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*clips padlock* >:D
...Ahem
Start packing your suitcases because school is back in session this Summer.
The School of Magic Gunners re-opens to the public on July 1st.
*former members: you know where to go
:teach: <- lerrn
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oshi time to reinstall irc!
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Yus \o/
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I'd like to run in there,and fight a bunch of Aoko's.
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Huup, hoop, doyaah!
Means I'm in again.
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I'm trying to hype this up more and clean up the channel a bit but my internets needs to STOP SUCKING first =(. Good to see old handles again.
Btw I may have a surprise for you all on the re-opening debut :)
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The master is back!!!!1 glad to see you back with the practice sessions 8)
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Mages assoc. huh? I wanna join. Though I'm kinda lost in the topic...and still trying to read combos :slowpoke:
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Previously, on #mages-association. . .
Oh shit, ZAR POSTED!!! :o
Yeah, I'm "back" so to say. Not to add to the guide however but to announce some (moderately) fantastic news!
Approximately 2mths ago I decided utilize mbcaster to assist an individual who showed great interest in learning the ways of a Magic Gunner. Throughout the wks. he gradually began to progress and show some improvement with each session (despite the "difficulties" mbcaster presents :emo:). Shortly after, another inquired about the basics of Aoko. He didn't seem to be as enthusiastic as my former client but I decided to show him some basics anyway (surprisingly he was familiar with the full bnb).
After observing both of my clients struggles to grasp the character and grow to overcome the trials I threw at them, I soon began to realize how truly effective mbcaster can be as a tutorial tool. Then it hit me...
Zar, you're a lazy fuck and you hate doing periodical write ups but at the same time you want to see other Aoko players succeed, you want to see more Aokos populate and you would also like to discuss Aoko strats to evolve your own gameplay. Why not just do what you're doing now (using IRC and mbcaster) but on a wider scale?! :psyduck: You can communicate live with players, answer their questions on the spot and show them first-hand how to perform beginner through advanced techniques all while avoiding the nuisance of creating reps for combos/strats, encoding them, uploading them, etc. AND not have to type up a damn thing in the thread (so many :blah:).
So with that epiphany comes this...
The Mages-Association on IRC!!!
Yes, the School of Magic Gunners. Here, the experienced and inexperienced alike will be able to:
- Learn the core basics of Aozaki Aoko: BnBs, Movement, Beginnger Okizeme, and more
- Progress to more advanced techniques such as: orb charge toggling, utilizing dash momentum, Advanced Okizeme.
- Exchange strats and advice with n00bs and l33t Aoko players (guest appearances by Jeffrey Manson!? :mystery:)
- Discuss character match-ups and VS Character strats.
- Become an assistant teacher to aide newcomers.
- Participate in combo exhibition challenges and All-Aoko netplay (sorry) tournaments.
- Discuss story-related topics pertaining to Aozaki Aoko and theorize the meaning behind her mysterious Last Arc (aka MVC2 Globe) :slowpoke:.
- Give Zar all of your Aoko Doujins. :fap:
- Overwhelm the MB communities with a Legion of Aokos!
Now of course every secret society has its set of "rules" and to not abide by them could lead to disastrous consequences >:D....Meh, I'll just kick/ban your ass for a while :-\. But seriously though, here's what I expect from the people that decide to pledge allegiance to Aoko-Sensei:
- Have a general interest in learning the "Destructive Arts" (i.e. you play Aoko as your main or first sub)
- Session with other "trainers": Sorry, but you can't just come in the channel and idle for a mth and not expect me to check on your progress. This is serious business here. That goes for you animufag people as well. I have no problem with people fagging it up (no homo) but I expect people to be learning as well so I will ask around.
- No "dissing" other Aoko players in the chan (cus you all suck anyway - j/k ;) ). We will all be there for a common purpose and that is to see your fullest potential as an Aoko user and fap to Aoko doujins - so show love for your Aoko-loving brothers (and sisters?).
- Unless you have some very important Aoko-related news (vids, bugs, strats, etc.), please don't beg or ask for ops (@) in the channel. :'(
- As for lurkers and idlers: Whooboy. Just...don't...do it. I'm a complete Nazi about this shit. Just...don't...do it. Since we all can't be on IRC at the same time I or some other higher up will /query you a warning or ask you to demonstrate your "loyalty to Aoko". No, you don't have to cut off a finger or anything like that. We just want to know if you are learning anything......(Mmmm fascism.)
Frankly, I don't give a fuck what you think about me or my rules. If you don't like them, don't bother showing up or just peace yourself out of the chan (or I most likely will do it for you). The people that are most dedicated to learning will put up with the bullshit and see positive results*. If you show up in the chan expecting to come out a stronger or more knowledgeable Aoko user then respect-knuckles to you - this is the purpose of the chan. I just hope that this focus group will strengthen our communities bond and skill lvl as a whole. See you guys there!!** (...or not) ::).
~Zar The Biscuit
*disclaimer: results may vary among indviduals -lol-
**The "main" channel is currently setup and a "dummy" channel (which will likely be abandoned by Monday) is open on efnet. If you are interested just post or pm your thoughts, expectations and such then I will contact you with more information regarding the "offisho" channel. I will also be personally hunting down other Aoko players that I know of for an invite to the channel's debut.
PS - I'm an emote whore. 8)
Run it back, RUN IT BAAACK! :toot:
As i have promised, the School of Magic Gunners has re-opened and we welcome all Aoko users to join us on our trek to become the most powerful sorcerers on the internets! #Mages-Association was formed to bring Aoko users, lovers. and fanboys from all corners of the globe into one online community. As Blue starts to gain more popularity and generate interest among melty blood players I've realized that sending out private invitations to potential members would become too time consuming and eventually stunt the growth of the Aoko-community. So that being said, I've decide to open the channel to the public for all to join. Keep in mind though that this is an Aoko-based community and those who wish to lurk or express no interest in learning the "Destructive Arts" will be personally interrogated by me and possibly removed from the channel. I'm not saying that I'll boot you if you dont chat every second of the day but I will be looking out for ppl that are just in the channel to be in the channel for mths at a time.
Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble..
Ok, enough of the recap, time to get down to bidness. Heres how to join:
- Grab an IRC client (or use webproxy if youre lazy - mibbit.com)
- Add irc.mizuumi.net to your list of servers
- /join #Mages-Association
If anyone one has questions on how to attain an IRC client, try googling MIRC. A very reliable and user-friendly program (you cant mess this up :slowpoke:). Should you have issues joining the channel just post up and I or possibly a member will assist with those matters.
Happy casting!
(My handle will be "dya-x9" [dya dya dya dya dya dya dya dya dyaaaah!])
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I used to main Aoko..until I played on arcades..
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Why did that change your mind? :mystery:
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Cuz I hadn't played on arcade for 9 years, so I didn't really remember how to play with her on arcade. I realized that it would mean that I would have to do DP motions and set-ups which I had no clue how to do, and when I did my execution was soo off. I got frustrated...and started playing charaacters I considered easy. Presently though I have the chance to get good wiith her again..but i'm a little un-sure if I want to now that I'm making progress with my new main.
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Oh what the hell,i'm reviving her,and doing more work on her..
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I can't connect to the IRC server....
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zomg Zar, JM is in the IRC room! Get back from wherever you are already! lol :toot:
Everyone who thought about joining, but haven't yet I guess this is a good reason to join? haha
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mizuumi.net is still down! :emo:
I guess school will be "closed" until further notice =(. I'll make periodical checks to see if the server is up and running then report back here. If any other members notice the server is back up before me, please post up!
Also, big thanks to JM for showing up even though I doubt he reads the forums. He's such a trooper - staying up until 6am to converse w/ American/EU scum :) . Hopefully I can get him to visit again soon. He knows waaay to much random shit for Aoko. o.O
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<shizuka> hey JM, is it possible to punish all techs in the corner off of 123 > slider 623a on reaction? it was a big debate in here a week ago or so
<JeffreyManson> >>shizuka No
ultimate irc convo saved.
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LMAO
.....sigged
Glad you got to chat w/ him Akira even though we weren't both around at the same time.
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lol...sad
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:toot: mizuumi is back online :toot:
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LMAO
.....sigged
Glad you got to chat w/ him Akira even though we weren't both around at the same time.
haha...the bad part was...
Like, maybe half an hour -> hour after you logged off he showed up.
HE REALLY IS LIKE SANTA...
And I have to ask you a question about FMC when you get back on ):
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Good news!!, Mizuumi.net is back online :prinny:
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I was freakin out man, it went down right when i woke up and JM was still in the channel :<
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New video by Jeffrey Manson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQ_3FleZhM
Various vicious setups in the corner from Wheeeeeeel Kick.
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Its kind of funny,I was just working on stuff like this today,and here it is.XD
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Is there a way I can join this group? :B
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Guh...mizuumi seems to be down again. See you guys tomorrow or something.
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Hmm learning how to manage time a bit better.
Anyway, #mages-association has been popping lately and we have been averaging 15 ppl in the evenings (EST). Good to see new and closet aoko users show up to the chan. I have some big plans for the channel's future. Hope you Aoko users out there can make the most of what I'm offering.
Of course the topic as of late has been about Aoko's many delicious forms in MBAA so Feel free to drop by and share any aoko info you may have (mbac , mbaa). I also still give 'sessions' for those getting started or want to add some new tricks to their oki arsenal.
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I am new Aoko user, about a month playing Mbac now...it seems I am a year behind. Is that bad ?
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I've got you beat, i just started learning aoko(and really melty blood) yesterday! What time are people usually on th emages association channel? I've been on it on and off for the last couple days and i just see magikapr, zetzubo, and yenniku idling. I'd love to get some tips/hands on learning(most likely in the form of face beatings) with aoko.
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I've got you beat, i just started learning aoko(and really melty blood) yesterday! What time are people usually on th emages association channel? I've been on it on and off for the last couple days and i just see magikapr, zetzubo, and yenniku idling. I'd love to get some tips/hands on learning(most likely in the form of face beatings) with aoko.
I don't even know how to find the channel XD...I just got irc, never knew what it was before hand. ^^' I mostly play people on xfire. Of course they all have at least a year experience and no good Aoko player there let alone any real Aoko users other than me. :(
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The Mage's Association is mostly dead now. Everyone quit MBAC and are waiting for MBAA. Also it dies every time Zar goes into hibernation regardless.
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Ugh, dammit you two lol (drama/tolore).
Starting MBAC when AA is just around the corner? Well, I can't necessarily say that's a bad thing but from my brief experience with AA aoko is a bit different in some respects but unchanged in other areas. The new system makes her movement feel a bit more loose and unrestricted. It also kind of makes some of her oki a bit "trickier" with the sdj's and air dodges and such. But it also makes for some more advanced techniques if you're creative. C and H moon Aoko play closest to MBAC aoko (H moon deviates slightly) while F moon feels like a different character altogether and many of the techniques you learned in MBAC many not even be applicable here.
In my opinion, learning and understanding basic concepts in AC such as how okizeme works (how and when to apply it) utilizing movement for spacing, proper zoning and orb spam, baiting on wakeups, Anti-airs, tech punish, etc. wouldn't be a complete waste of time when trying to make the transition to AA. It's just going to feel a bit..."different". (others may disagree w/e).
However if you don't really care about AA or don't intend to play seriously and would be fine with just AC aoko then I can point you guys in the right direction with a couple of vid links and maybe answer some some posts when I'm not too busy.
As for the #Mages-Association......................................It's been unofficially disbanded. My deepest apologies to the hardcores that remained when I disappeared/went AWOL (except you, Karp :P). IRL stuff, irl stuff, you know how it goes. But yes, it was still a pretty douchey move for me to not say anything even upon returning- BUT I love aoko just as much as you do (maybe more) so it's cool, right? :'(
AND I'm considering on "re-opening" the channel upon MBAA release but don't hold me to this please. If it does happen I'd have to assign some mods for the channel to keep things organized, active and alive during my absences. Just cus ZAR isn't in the channel doesn't mean you all can't fag it up with aoko fanboy/strat chat (which is what I want :-*)
To Drama & tolore
I leave you some links to help you get started in MBAC and wish the best of luck. がんばれ！ファイト！
Xeno Aoko tut. If you don't already know about this then SHAME ON YOU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWggitBqiPo
JM aoko mini-tut. Good stuff. May have to watch it a few times cus it's fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oz6CUrAqxY
ShiTaRa 214 clip. Interesting uses for proxy-orbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m48X507uTHg
SnowlessSky okizeme demo. Very VERY good okizeme demonstrations (intermediate~advanced) of the lesser used/uncommon wake up options. Wicked BGM too. 8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCPRkGx7O0Y&feature=related
JM's 623A techniques. Warning: Advanced! I don't think I ever posted the complete translation for this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQ_3FleZhM
Zar's corner throw setups, oki & otg. Warning: Gimmicky :prinny:
Ok, not so much gimmicky but requires some sharp reflexes and subtle timings on the otgs (which I failed to explain lol). I think it's best for viewing the otg combo options though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfj4Yr9cuXQ&feature=channel_page
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Thank you very much and also if you could direct me to where I could play other Aoko players so I could learn from other Gunners.
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Haha yeah, it's a pretty poor time to start the game but I've suddenly got a huge surplus in free time and I've always wanted to play MB.
So my biggest problem with aoko so far(other than freezing up and trying to remember what to do when I score knock down, but that'll come with experience) is the neutral game. I basically just spam 2b and instant air dash backwards with 236A. I have no real idea of what to poke with, or how to stop myself from getting cornered. I also don't know what to do under heavy pressure, looking at her tools I assume parry and maybe 3C? she seems pretty poor on the defense(which is not really surprising considering her offensive and zoning options).
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JM's 623A techniques. Warning: Advanced! I don't think I ever posted the complete translation for this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQ_3FleZhM
I suprisingly can do some of this....the loop gives many options especially if you see they are not going to tech.
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Also it dies every time Zar goes into hibernation regardless.
I really wish this wouldn't happen... :-\
Thank you very much and also if you could direct me to where I could play other Aoko players so I could learn from other Gunners.
zetsubou/despair/romc(I didn't forget!)
South-East USA
PanicAttack
EU
Rudolf
EU
*If you're EC US then US-to-EU play isn't so bad*
AozakiKyo/Kusanagi
...Mexico. Always asks for games
There are a few more but I'm not 100% of their locations so I omitted them. You'll just have to ask around on the MBAC channel and connect with players who have the most desirable ping. Also I posted a few more vid links that you can check out in my post before this one. xshitarax has like 50 aoko mirror matches on his channel as well if you're into that sort of thing.
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Haha yeah, it's a pretty poor time to start the game but I've suddenly got a huge surplus in free time and I've always wanted to play MB.
So my biggest problem with aoko so far(other than freezing up and trying to remember what to do when I score knock down, but that'll come with experience) is the neutral game. I basically just spam 2b and instant air dash backwards with 236A. I have no real idea of what to poke with, or how to stop myself from getting cornered. I also don't know what to do under heavy pressure, looking at her tools I assume parry and maybe 3C? she seems pretty poor on the defense(which is not really surprising considering her offensive and zoning options).
I am told I play too defensive, but her 623a is a good anti-air and you can try doing iad forward 236a into the Roman cancel...Also what I used to do when I froze up when I scored a knockdown and forget what to do was simply this: place an orb 214 or 421. I think 421 is more useful if you want to try to regain momentum after you freeze.
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SnowlessSky okizeme demo. Very VERY good okizeme demonstrations (intermediate~advanced) of the lesser used/uncommon wake up options. Wicked BGM too. 8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCPRkGx7O0Y&feature=related
Thank You very very much!! I never seen this video yet, and this is exactly what my Aoko game needed. ^^
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I never get tired of listening to that bgm from the Aoko Okizeme Movie...
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I was messing around in training mode and noticed you don't have to hold the button you used to keep the orbs up you just have to hold a button. So if I set the A orb I can press B and then hold B and release A and the orb won't pop(and I can have two orbs up with just one button), does that actually come into play at all, it seems like it could be really useful, but really hard to do right.
Yeah I should throw a lot more orbs around when I'm pressuring people, I barely throw any at all.
edit: also her held orbs slowly hover downwards lol.
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*wonders how zar remembered all them names of mine :mystery:* if u wonna get a hold of me either private message me in mirc or get hamachi and join my chan for noobs (Hamachi Classroom pw: call me sensei :teach:)
(........ill be waiting >:D)
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*wonders how zar remembered all them names of mine :mystery:* if u wonna get a hold of me either private message me in mirc or get hamachi and join my chan for noobs (Hamachi Classroom pw: call me sensei :teach:)
(........ill be waiting >:D)
Yes Sensai XD
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Uh yeah, so I'm back in the chan for a bit until my classes start (which is in about 2wks). Hit us up for an Aoko crash course and MBAA moon debates/ranting. Things got pretty crazy when P_A was linking some sick C-aoko matches (not favored by most JP players). As new strats, techniques, and OMG COMBOX are being discovered, we are all taking notes and making preparations for our queen come the PS2 release date.
I'm still doing sessions and such but trying not to focus as much on the AC specific subjects as most of us will be transitioning to the PS2 port. If you're interested in trying to pick up some basics, have questions about AA Aoko(s), have info or matches you wish to share, or would like to fag it up and chat about when the hell we're going to see WotHN, stop by at:
irc.mizuumi.net [/server]
#mages-association [/join]
I was supposed to hype up the chan a bit more this time around but I think I'm going to save my juices for the Aoko four-some. :fap:
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same 'rules' apply: Aoko onree. Don't get it twisted- it's not intended to be number-X #meltyblood channel. It's strictly a focus group for Aoko enthusiasts. I started the chan because I'm gay for Aoko and would like to engage in an E-Blue-kkake with other Aoko users. (tmi, I know)
eeerrrr and no homo(?)
EDIT 2:
sup, to the lurking-ass haters. :fap:
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so after years of hating on melty blood making fun of arlieth for playing it and dodging veteru every evo i have decided to play mb so i can beat up on motoh. i'll try to idle in the chan to catch some random knowledge and actively participate when i'm not at work.
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bleh, gonna tear down that OP and redo it for #m-a promotion and information in a few weeks. Need to build the mages channel from the ground up again. MBAA is on the way and I know a lot of vets and noobs are going to want to start some heated aoko debates!
looking forward to seeing new faces and theory fighting with the old ones.
Instant Heat Edit:
100th post! Go, me! :prinny:
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Well...
This thread had a good run. It ended up NOT being a guide/tutorial cus me and writing go together like a triangle peg in a circular hole. But it was a good way to promote the #Mages-Association and get that started. Since then, I've come across A LOT of aoko players- most which had promise, stuck with her and still remain in the channel or visit occasionally and others that moved on to something else whether it be an easier character (lol) or IRL stuff. Either way I've had a lot a lot of fun chatting it up with everyone in the channel (and missing out on convos with JM cus I couldn't cope with 5am meets) and even today it's still cool to talk with some of the Aoko die-hards when I get the time.
Anyway, new game, new thread and I'm tearing down this one to rebuild as I said in the post before this. Check out the new thread here! (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/aoko-aozaki/m-a!/)
Hope we can run back #m-a when it was in its prime- 18 WHOLE PPL!!
Welcome to the club...