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Offline Xie

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C-Mech Fuzzy Guard
« on: September 18, 2009, 03:15:40 AM »
So, I was in practice mode one day trying to do C-Mech's fuzzy guard on Nanaya (getting ready for BBG obviously), when I realized I couldn't get it to work on him. So I decided to test it on everyone. Now, I only tested on C-type characters for now, but I'll eventually try it on H/F if it comes to my attention that characters have different standing block animations/hitboxes in different styles (I know H-Wlen has one, but its crouching so technically it shouldn't matter). Now, my execution isn't the best in the world, so I divided it up into four categories. The first category is characters I was pretty much able to do it flawlessly on and repeat the process on them. The second category is where I had trouble doing it, but once and awhile the stars aligned and I managed to do it (or I miraculously did it once but never again). The third category is where I was able to keep the opponent in blockstun between both hits, but when I tried it on myself I was able to duck in time, so it might be possible but hard/situational. The last category is where I wasn't able to get jack shit on them, I would be pleasantly surprised if the fuzzy guard ended up working on them. I will probably proofread the list and test more down the line. Ideally, I end up eliminating the inbetween categories.

As a reminder, C-Mech's standard fuzzy guard is j.C 9 j.C. When done correctly, a crouching blocking opponent will be hit with a standing hitbox. Essentially, this gives your second j.C incredible vertical range and allows you to hit with it where it would otherwise whiff a crouching opponent. Mech's other double overhead, j.C j.B works pretty much on everyone with proper spacing, so there isn't really a list for that. On another note, it is theoretically possible to perform this with the other style Mechs since the j.C is practically the same across styles. However, it is not as practical because it is not as easy to combo off of a very high j.C since; because other styles lack j.A, they cannot as easily confirm it into a combo.

Show me the list already!:
Characters you can do C-Mech Fuzzy Guard on (Confirmed): Kouma, Ciel, Sion, Ries, V.Sion, Wara, Akiha, Warc, V.Akiha, S.Akiha, Nero, Hisui, Kohaku
Characters you can probably do C-Mech Fuzzy Guard on (Confirmed-ish): Mech Hisui, Ryougi
Characters you might be able to C-Mech Fuzzy Guard on (Unconfirmed, but seems possible): Roa, Arc
Characters you can't seem to do C-Mech Fuzzy Guard on (Unconfirmed): Aoko, Tohno, Nanaya, Miyako, Satsuki, Len, WLen, NA, NAC

For completion's sake, a list of combo followups after the j.C hits:
C-Mech: j.A (most stable, leads to 2c 6c 236[a] loop), j.B (more damaging on non-metered combos, but less stable), j.63214 (unsparkable if it lands, very situational)
H-Mech: Pre Summoned Gradius... but other than that nothing seems to work(j.A whiffs, j.B is too slow, j.236A/j.623A seems to whiff over everyone)
F-Mech: IH j.B, Pre Summoned 22B or 22C(you can time your junk to hit right after your j.C)

If you're wondering how I tested this, I set the dummy character to M-Hisui and the test character on myself. Then recorded the dummy performing the fuzzy guard on the test character set to Recover D, All Guard, and Stand. Hence, the test character would block, but once it left hitstun it would attempt a 5D. Once I prevented the test character from 5Ding, I then let the dummy perform the action on myself, switching to crouch block before the second j.C. Hence the confusion: sometimes I would prevent the test subject and even myself from 5Ding between the j.Cs, but I would still be able to crouch block despite never leaving blockstun. More testing is probably needed, and of course, input from other sources.
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Re: C-Mech Fuzzy Guard
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2009, 12:28:43 PM »
Good shit Xie, thanks for the info, need to go practice fuzzies now >.>
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Re: C-Mech Fuzzy Guard
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 09:15:15 AM »
thanks. I need this for Fmek actually lol. [jC>djC>IH>jC>etc.]
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Re: C-Mech Fuzzy Guard
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 05:51:38 AM »
okay this thread is old as fuck, but I just went through and confirmed c-mech fuzzy works on your questionables.
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