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Misaki Town Bakery => Melty Blood Auditorium => : blindgamer17 December 28, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Having introduced myself I'd like to get down to business now. lol. Can anyone recommend a character that a beginner can start with?
as well, can someone give a basic explanation of mechanics? How does one activate heat and bloodheat mode is the main question I have... and a list of controls on the ps2 version. Anything else that anyone feels would bebenefitial for a first-time player to know would be apreciated.
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Hi there
Characters that might have some success with beginners are:
F-Ries, Tohno's, F-Kohaku, F-Miyako, H-Roa, and some others that I might be escaping my mind right now.
Heat is activated with A+B+C or 5E when you have 100 or more meter. Blood heat is activated when are in MAX and you do the same thing (ABC or 5E)
PS2 as follow on default.... probably:
[ ] : Weak attack (A)
X : Medium attack / Menu cancel (B)
O : Strong attack / Menu confirm (C)
∆ : Shield (D)
L1 : [ ] + ∆ Macro (AD)
L2 : [ ] + ∆ + O Macro (ABC)
R1 : Quick action (E)
R2 : [ ] + X Macro (AB)
Just check out the forums for anything else that you might want to know. Many things that a frist-time player could be found here and in mizuumi's wiki : http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Main_Page
Have fun
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Characters that might have some success with beginners are:
F-Ries, Tohno's, F-Kohaku, F-Miyako, H-Roa, and some others that I might be escaping my mind right now.
Yea right, good luck with that one.
F-Miyako is not a beginner friendly character lol
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Press buttons, receive damage. Probably the least intensive of the Miyako grooves as well.
However you can interpret F-Miyako's "skill requirements" as you will.
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C Mech Hisui or F Nero might be good for budding beginners. But I don't want any more Neros in this world anymore...
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Why did no one put down H-Nanaya?
2abc 5c jbc jbc ex donkey kick does like 4.5k for doing nothing
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F-Mech 5abc623c = 5k
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As an addendum to Curbeh's post...
First off, there are four states that relate to Heat and activating.
Normal- Anything in between 0% and 299% circuit (meter) for Crescent and Full moons. Anything between 0% and 199% for Half moon.
MAX- Upon reaching a full bar of circuit (300% for C/F, 200% for H) you will enter into MAX. This is a pseudo Heat. You can use your Arc Drive (your super, performed by 41236c) and you can Circuit Spark by trying to activate (A+B+C or 5E) when you are in blockstun or hitstun (think of it like a GG burst) which will use all of your meter. Time does not stop and health does not regenerate in this mode. Half moon will automatically activate Heat as soon as you reach MAX.
Heat- This mode will stop time, give you health regeneration (as long as you are not in hitstun/blockstun), and allow the use of your Arc Drive.
Blood Heat- This mode will stop time, give you VERY fast (Crescent) or even instant (Full) health regen, and allow the use of your Advanced Arc Drive (just a better version of your normal AD). This mode can only be activated if you are already in MAX (which means Half moon cannot activate Blood Heat).
Activating Heat is different depending on the moon style you're playing. Blood Heat, however, has no difference in activation between the moons styles.
Crescent moon- You can activate heat anytime you are in a Normal state and have at least 100% circuit.
Full moon- You can only activate heat by utilizing the Initiative Heat (IH for short, otherwise referred to as a heat cancel). IH can only be used in MAX, and you use it by activating heat during the active frames of any normal attack or some special attacks (dependent on character). It resets you to a neutral state (much like a GG roman cancel), regenerates all red life, and puts you into Heat. It goes without saying that IH allows for some amazing things.
Half moon- Heat activates automatically upon reaching MAX. When in heat, you will automatically Circuit Spark at the first opportunity (usually the first attack that hits you will trigger a spark).
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C-Ciel, great number of normals to combo with
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C and F-Warc seem like they would work well.
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Thanks all. I'm planning to try out all the recomended characters and see which one I like... and hopefuly get to some sort of level where I can play in front of ther people withou being embarrased. lol. But that shouldn't be a problem since the MB scene in Vancouver isn't exactly big. At least not to my knowledge.
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If you come from an sf background then F-Ciel is for you!
3 strong anti-airs (due to removal of abundant clashing frames, chars like Kohaku, miyako and ciel are 'special' in this case)
Strong 'footsie' (which is almost non-existent in mb)
Consistent knockdowns produced by low-flipper (236A) that reaches close to half screen and leads to extremely simple wakeup game
Solid dmg for moderate effort
Several hit-confirms that lead to good damage (it's 3rd strike, y'all)
Simple frame traps that don't involve 'reverse beat' (which is a somewhat difficult concept for beginners to pick up)
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C and F-Warc seem like they would work well.
F-Warc does seem fairly easy.
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hows the learning curve on Sion VSion Ryougi Vakiha and Aoko? those are the 1's i wanna try out, and isnt Jump C friendly( Nero ) lol , his combos are jump C, plus his dash has invinc frames, lol , i mashed some wins with him, well F Nero i mean
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Sion is difficultish, I don't know too much about Ryougi, V.Sion is fairly simple in crescent/half moon style, V.Akiha is a challenge, Aoko is among the hardest in the game to play.
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cool thnx, aoko among the hardest huh, who is the most difficult may i ask,
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F Aoko is easy and the best one.
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F Aoko is easy and the best one.
It's like I'm really throwing Hadoukens!
I'd have to recommend F-Tohno for the sheer hilarity value. Fullmoon versions seem to be easier for newcomers to get into.
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Any Nero
But expect (well-deserved) hate if you pick him
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Riesbyfe. No contest.
Explicitly designed for beginners.
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I don't know too much about Ryougi
Ryougi's not too hard to pick up. The basic combos are very easy. However, her more damaging combos take a bit of work to pull off.
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There is no sure best character I think...
The best character for a beginner is the character the begginer find the coolest.
It would also be the best thing to do to choose one of the hardest ones, the harder the better: this will develop you a lot faster as a player.
After you master that char, you can choose those that fits your gamestyle well (you'll have to find out which character it is with time).
Thats my opinion :P
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h-tohno
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i heard c roa was pretty good!
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i heard c roa was pretty good!
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C Roa? For beginners? You best be trollin. H/F Roa for beginners.
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The best character for a beginner is the character the begginer find the coolest.
Nanaya
there's no other cool character, period
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The best character for a beginner is the character the begginer find the coolest.
Nanaya
there's no other cool character, period
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8043/544162m.jpg)
I'm sorry, what was that? I couldn't hear you over the RAW MASCULINITY.
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I'm quite sure there's a difference between cool and RAW MASCULINITY.
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I'm quite sure there's a difference between cool and RAW MASCULINITY.
Yeah, raw masculinity is cool+.
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I'm quite sure there's a difference between cool and RAW MASCULINITY.
Yeah, raw masculinity is cool+.
I agree to that Lolisauce, but yeah anyhow if you start out with H-Nanaya Shiki or H-Tohno Shiki then it'll be good for sure. There combo's are nice and clean and give good damage to your opponent. You can go to these links here to begin practicing--->http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Shiki_Tohno (http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Shiki_Tohno)
http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Shiki_Nanaya (http://mbaa.mizuumi.net/index.php/Shiki_Nanaya)
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Yeah, H-Nanaya is pretty easy to pick up. I personally started off with C-Ryougi, but that was more personal preference than anything.
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Yeah, H-Nanaya is pretty easy to pick up. I personally started off with C-Ryougi, but that was more personal preference than anything.
Yeah, usually it depends by preference...most players start out with those character and then once when you feel comfortable with one of those characters you move to another character(obviously), but just experiment with different characters and you'll see who suits you best.
And remember to always go to the MBAA wiki for preference and go on IRC for advice as well.
-word from rice(lol)
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i heard c roa was pretty good!
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C Roa? For beginners? You best be trollin. H/F Roa for beginners.
wtf? F-Roa? c-roa is good for beginners than f-roa
on topic:
c/h-tohno, c-roa, c/h-nanaya, and of course len
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C-wara. Really long range pokes and easy-to-mash normals. Multi-hit 5b, jc and 2c makes it easy to hit confirm. Regular BnB is simple to do and force heat on wakeup is as american as apple pie.
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Any Nero
But expect (well-deserved) hate if you pick him
Might have to disagree with you here. Nero's an odd character with a set of unique mechanics. He doesn't really teach you the game like other characters. Moreover, while getting a couple of simple things down with him is easy, learning to use the zoo effectively, the core of the character, is not a walk in the park.
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i heard c roa was pretty good!
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C Roa? For beginners? You best be trollin. H/F Roa for beginners.
wtf? F-Roa? c-roa is good for beginners than f-roa
F Roa is good for beginners because his whole game relies on two combos, two or so major mixups, and one good reversal. He's really simple, yet effective.
C Roa, on the other hand, is probably one of the most complex characters in the game. To use him effectively you have to understand all sorts of orb setups and charge setups, and you have to be able to use the setups effectively to make him any sort of good. You have to have a strong understanding of spacing and placement, and that kind of thing only comes with experience. He's basically one of the worst characters (along with others like Aoko or F Akiha) for a beginner to be able to just pick up and understand high level play easily. They're just too complicated.
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The best character for a beginner to pick up is the character you like best at first sight. Start learning the game with him/her/it, before proceeding on to tier-whoring for wins ;D
I usually stick with my first character as the main though (character designs matter more than tier rankings for me).
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I'm going to have to agree with Loli. I wouldn't recommend C-Roa to someone looking for an easy character to learn.
@Sevalle: Because Tier whoring is totally necessary in melty. :V
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I think "best" is reliant on what you can already do from other games, If you already have a good execution, then one of the more execution heavy characters with a simple game plan might be good. Or if you're used to only being able to go one way down the gatling chain an F-character could be good. If you have terrible execution you could play KOUMA, or someone that uses a simple launcher j.bc j.bc air-throw combo. If you're BRAND new to 2D fighters then try Shiki or a Nanaya, they can get you familiar with all the game mechanics, but he only one you'll have to REALLY practice at first is re-beating.
tl;dr Play to your strengths in previous fighting game experiences.
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imo, in no particular order
H or C Shiki, any Nanaya, H Roa, any Nero, C or F Warc, F Kohaku, H Akiha, C Ciel, F Miyako
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i heard c roa was pretty good!
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C Roa? For beginners? You best be trollin. H/F Roa for beginners.
wtf? F-Roa? c-roa is good for beginners than f-roa
F Roa is good for beginners because his whole game relies on two combos, two or so major mixups, and one good reversal. He's really simple, yet effective.
C Roa, on the other hand, is probably one of the most complex characters in the game. To use him effectively you have to understand all sorts of orb setups and charge setups, and you have to be able to use the setups effectively to make him any sort of good. You have to have a strong understanding of spacing and placement, and that kind of thing only comes with experience. He's basically one of the worst characters (along with others like Aoko or F Akiha) for a beginner to be able to just pick up and understand high level play easily. They're just too complicated.
i see. well i rarely use some orbs and some set ups. and besides i don't why joo call him as the one of the worst charcters O_o. maybe it's bcoz of his setups are cheap tho ??? :psyduck:
F Kohaku
kohaku doesn't fit for beginners
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For whatever reason I was thinking about this today, C-Wara seems like he'd be one of the more ideal characters to start with since his normals are pretty strong in the general context of Melty footsies. He's got a fairly strong anti-air in 2B, his j.B is pretty good air to air, and he's got decent tools in 5B, tornadoes, and summons for controlling the ground.
Also, between Nero set-ups and air throw/j.421C finishers you get to experiment with the higher damage/better oki exchange, getting a decent grasp of when you want one or the other (not that this is entirely specific to Wara, but it is a basic part of his game).
I would think that having a firm grasp on those facets of his gameplay would give you a solid foundation for picking up basically any other character, or for going even further in depth with Warachia stuff if that's the route you choose to take.
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I still find Nanaya easier for a new player to pick up, considering he has very good normals and with the usual dp and stuff.
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C-roa is not good for beginners (in fact, I probably shouldn't even play him), my bitching about him is the stuff of infamy, but I'll try to keep that out of it.
The basic problem with C-Roa is that in addition to a game of melty blood you need to play two side games of resource management and bookkeeping, those orbs and lighting charges aren't free; you need to give stuff up for them.
He's got low damage without meter, lightning, or orb setups; and if you want free TK orbs or orb>lightning charge you need to give up even more damage and go for a combo ending in 2C trip for knockdown. In addition to having to give stuff up and work for your resources you can lose them easily; getting knocked down wipes out your orbs, and you lose all your lightning whenever you use it in a combo or a setup. You also need to work for orb activations, it's not like Aoko where you just negative edge them, you gotta input it again and do an animation to set them off. Orb combos are hard and you need the perfect setup to do them.
When you add in stuff like his near-zero crossup potential, and his air-blockable DP you get a character that's not friendly towards anyone in general.
That said he's awesome, he has awesome combos, and his 236C is some sexy shit.
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For whatever reason I was thinking about this today, C-Wara seems like he'd be one of the more ideal characters to start with since his normals are pretty strong in the general context of Melty footsies. He's got a fairly strong anti-air in 2B, his j.B is pretty good air to air, and he's got decent tools in 5B, tornadoes, and summons for controlling the ground.
Also, between Nero set-ups and air throw/j.421C finishers you get to experiment with the higher damage/better oki exchange, getting a decent grasp of when you want one or the other (not that this is entirely specific to Wara, but it is a basic part of his game).
I would think that having a firm grasp on those facets of his gameplay would give you a solid foundation for picking up basically any other character, or for going even further in depth with Warachia stuff if that's the route you choose to take.
Wara's just a very average character. He has o.k everything but it comes at the cost of nothing being that good and you have to put in extra effort to make some of it work.
He's not terribly complicated but I don't think I would say he's the best idea for a beginner, considering there are even easier characters that are just better. You also really need to be able to do consistent iads with him and newcomers to melty often have issues with that.
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im a beginner and i got comfortable with F-Chaos... (if thats what you call him, his name is nvqrsqur or something? lol idk) lmao
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Most people will simply say Nero, not Nrvnqsr. It's how it's pronounced, anyway. (Go play Tsukihime if you want to know why.)
That said, I do agree with initially picking who you like best, though a lot of characters are very complex and hard to grasp initially. I've heard fairly consistently that Tohno and Nanaya are decently beginner-frirendly, Ciel as well. Half of Melty's game is learning the mechanics, then half of the other half is learning opponents, and the other half of that other half is learning the character you pick yourself and getting them into good little combos or effective positions or whatever. All easier said than done, of course.
Me, I personally pick C-Akiha most of the time, but I have no idea where that lays on the "pick up and play" table.
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Full Nanaya is the easiest character to pick-up-and-play in this game bar none.
Yesterday I got three SF4 players who had never seen melty blood before and only heard of it in he SRK vote to play some melty. After about a minute of coaching they were doing rekkas into dive kick mixups, fastfall tricks and blockstrings.
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Full Nanaya is the easiest character to pick-up-and-play in this game bar none.
Yesterday I got three SF4 players who had never seen melty blood before and only heard of it in he SRK vote to play some melty. After about a minute of coaching they were doing rekkas into dive kick mixups, fastfall tricks and blockstrings.
That's because Full Nanaya is the most like a Street Fighter character out of everyone in the game. Yang rekka, Dive kicks into Akuma mixups, and a Shoryuken.
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Most people will simply say Nero, not Nrvnqsr. It's how it's pronounced, anyway. (Go play Tsukihime if you want to know why.)
That said, I do agree with initially picking who you like best, though a lot of characters are very complex and hard to grasp initially. I've heard fairly consistently that Tohno and Nanaya are decently beginner-frirendly, Ciel as well. Half of Melty's game is learning the mechanics, then half of the other half is learning opponents, and the other half of that other half is learning the character you pick yourself and getting them into good little combos or effective positions or whatever. All easier said than done, of course.
Me, I personally pick C-Akiha most of the time, but I have no idea where that lays on the "pick up and play" table.
This is true, mainly if your really a beginner then it' all about learning the actual mechanics of the game. I mean just for me it took me a couple weeks to know all of the stuff. But if your a SF player then F-Moon would a good startup because learning F-Moon characters is kinda like SF based(this is just my opinion of coarse).
Also Nrvnqsr Chaos= NEVER SCARED!Chaos!! :toot:
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@Sevalle: Because Tier whoring is totally necessary in melty. :V
:teach:
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I'm starting with H-Roa myself, Decent normals and simple but useful special moves. I'm deciding right now if i should main him. I actually think the electric homo is kinda cool too.
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I think you mean the electric PIMP DADDY SON!
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I think you mean the electric PIMP DADDY SON!
That's what i was gonna' put originally....Of course, you are completely right. +HEAT
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now with her dash completely cancelable, c sachin isn't bad at all. But like nero, she continue to have a specific mechanic(except her half)...so use her don't make one know how to use other's characters. Then, nanaya and tohno continue to be the bests characters for beginners. But, to say the truth, i think it's more important mantain begginers far from c-roa, mechahisui, c-arcueid and kohaku than to apoint a single character.
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If you have terrible execution you could play KOUMA, or someone that uses a simple launcher j.bc j.bc air-throw combo.
As long as you're not talking about F-Kouma, yeah. Maybe it's just me, since I don't "know" any other characters and am still really learning F-Kouma, but his simplest bnb - 2A 2B 2C 6C j.[C] j.[C] (land) 623A/B - is pretty tough if you're just learning the game. The j.[C] has to be at the exact moment you jump, not before or even a moment after, otherwise you risk it not connecting or worse - not getting it to show at all. And since F-Kouma can't jump cancel anything except j.[C], you don't have much choice but to learn how to do it right. Very frustrating.
I used to play Wara in MBAC and C-Wara is pretty much the same - the reason being is that one of his best combos are brain-dead easy. (stuff into 2C 6C j.C j.C 421C or Airthrow) He's got a great anti-air, his tornadoes kick ass, and once you get his basics down he has summons to make things even harder for his opponent. As Irysa said, IAD's are a must at high level play; however, my opinion is that the point of beginner-friendly characters is to have a good basis that is easy to learn, and then have a deeper game that one must strive to master. I think C-Wara is a pretty good place to start, especially if you prefer villain personalities.
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Use F-tohno and make use you wear his yellow colors and you'll win for sure, 236 A/B/C is your best friend.lol ;D Imo H-Nanaya, H-Tohno, F-Miyako and C-Akiha are good for beginners. :teach:
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I started with H-Ryougi, mostly because knife throws reminded me of Millia's pin :V
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Akiha is always a nice one to start playing with purely because of health. Plus 5BB j.BC j.BC AT is simple as a 'combo'.
But tohno/nanaya/nero are the characters that will make you feel really good about yourself while in pick up and play mode.
Ries is fairly straightforward and at least one of her moons is fairly shoto-esque for SF players.
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Akiha is always a nice one to start playing with purely because of health. Plus 5BB j.BC j.BC AT is simple as a 'combo'.
But tohno/nanaya/nero are the characters that will make you feel really good about yourself while in pick up and play mode.
Ries is fairly straightforward and at least one of her moons is fairly shoto-esque for SF players.
Your character choices are right but nero isn't beginner friendly unless ur a j.c abuser. He is more complex :V
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Use F-tohno and make use you wear his yellow colors and you'll win for sure, 236 A/B/C is your best friend.lol
lol, banana shiki. And if you get out 5B, 2B, 5C, 623B, j.C, land, j.B, j.C, dj.B, dj.C, AT in training mode you'll be all like "OMG 5.5K DAMAGE, I'm so pro!" like I was.
Then you realize how mediocre 5B and 2B are on their own and have to learn him for realz. =(
EDIT: Out of curiosity, how come no one uses him anymore anyway? What he lacks in H-moon's mixup, he has in frame traps and pressure.
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Akiha is always a nice one to start playing with purely because of health. Plus 5BB j.BC j.BC AT is simple as a 'combo'.
But tohno/nanaya/nero are the characters that will make you feel really good about yourself while in pick up and play mode.
Ries is fairly straightforward and at least one of her moons is fairly shoto-esque for SF players.
Your character choices are right but nero isn't beginner friendly unless ur a j.c abuser. He is more complex :V
I'm well aware that he's more complex when you're actually trying to play him. But as I said 'in pick up and play mode' they'll be j.C abusers all the time.
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Actually for pickup and play, it's 5b (H/C), 4c, ja, jb, and projectile. jC only used in combos and "pick up and play" people usually get three in max. The jC is just the most memorable because being hit by it 6~ times in one combo just sticks to your head.
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Actually Nero is definitely beginner friendly. He has his complexities like most of the cast but to pick up, play, and be effective off the bat, he definitely fits the bill.
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EDIT: Out of curiosity, how come no one uses him anymore anyway? What he lacks in H-moon's mixup, he has in frame traps and pressure.
It's probably because he is annoying as hell to fight. I tired of his shenanigans :psyduck:. Here is a vid of the legend himself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P3jaRZjvfQ
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beginner characters that are actually easy to combrehend that let you evolve your game in a steady pace i guess would be:
Kouma(you dont need to begin with max damage combos but you should aim to master them a failed strong combo is worse than weaker variant that gives you knockdown that you won't fail),
both Shikis and aoko because as said you people make it seem like you have to become NUMBER 1!!! in ten seconds. These characters can give you a chance to implement the things they're good at one step at a time(except Kouma)and you can switch character later on because almost all of them let you at least learn the basics of the game and they're unique attributes doesn't change too much(except kouma who makes throwing awesome) of the basic gameplay that most characters share except nero who's huge hitbox fucks up the way you're thinking how neutral works.
if i'm talking out of my ass please correct me or just ask me to delete the post
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beginner characters that are actually easy to combrehend that let you evolve your game in a steady pace i guess would be:
Kouma(you dont need to begin with max damage combos but you should aim to master them a failed strong combo is worse than weaker variant that gives you knockdown that you won't fail),
both Shikis and aoko because as said you people make it seem like you have to become NUMBER 1!!! in ten seconds. These characters can give you a chance to implement the things they're good at one step at a time(except Kouma)and you can switch character later on because almost all of them let you at least learn the basics of the game and they're unique attributes doesn't change too much(except kouma who makes throwing awesome) of the basic gameplay that most characters share except nero who's huge hitbox fucks up the way you're thinking how neutral works.
if i'm talking out of my ass please correct me or just ask me to delete the post
...no
Kouma is one of the hardest characters in the game to play well. Aoko in either Crescent of Half Moon is a lot effort to learn. Full Moon Aoko is fairly easy though as well as Nanaya and Tohno in all moons.
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To be completely fair, my first character was Kouma because EX-Dunk.
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If you're used to the grappler type already in 2DFs then Kouma isn't so bad, but if not, he can definitely be considered difficult to play well.
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Kouma is one of the hardest characters in the game to play well.
so you mean that Kouma in difference to a lot of characters is hard to learn? sure he doesn't have a lot of things that other characters have but for a beginner Kouma has okay moves, a good reversal as long as they're close and a very easy basic level mixup that is never if done even remotely right easy to see.
i don't know what more a beginner could need.
I am not interested about hearing that ebj.c combos or rekka combos or whatever combo is hard that shit you can learn in training mode.
no disrespect but i have hard time understanding why Kouma is a bad choice for a beginner?
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He can be kept out very easily, and his mixups require the opponent to respect you. His combos aren't that bad, but using his EX's smartly is really important and can be difficult to learn. He has the best anti-air in the game, which definitely helps him out, but he loses out in the air in most cases. You have to be careful with him, and be good at making the opponent scared of you to make him effective, which isn't easy for a beginner to learn.
Oh, I almost forgot to add, you need to be able to read the opponent very well too, his fundamentals might not be too hard to learn, but becoming effective with him is more difficult than a lot of the rest of the cast.
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so you mean that Kouma in difference to a lot of characters is hard to learn? sure he doesn't have a lot of things that other characters have but for a beginner Kouma has okay moves, a good reversal as long as they're close and a very easy basic level mixup that is never if done even remotely right easy to see.
i don't know what more a beginner could need.
I am not interested about hearing that ebj.c combos or rekka combos or whatever combo is hard that shit you can learn in training mode.
no disrespect but i have hard time understanding why Kouma is a bad choice for a beginner?
It's not the execution of his combos that make him difficult to play. All things considered, his combos aren't *that* hard. Yeah his basic mixup is fairly simple and a basic combo for him is not that hard to learn. The hard part is playing him in neutral and getting people to respect you when you get in. He's not very fast and it's not easy to use his normals to get through zoning. Then after you get in, you have to deal with the fact that people respect Kouma a lot less then they respect other characters.
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Hmm yeah i see you're point and i guess i am used to force people to respect my options so i don't notice it as much.
I still see him as a good beginner character. But i'll accept that most people don't think so.