Heh, SRK Wiki

[zeech]

http://shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Melty_Blood:_Act_Cadenza

"While generally considered by players to be a relatively meodicre fighting game..."

What is this person talking about?  Or is it just SRK capcom bias?

[Dipstick]

You know all of the edits on a MediaWiki site are signed, right?

You can find that quote in the very first version of the post.

As for who wrote that...

11:49, 23 February 2006 Dipstick

Hi. You might also want to look at when that comment was written -- over three years ago.

So there is no Capcom bias there, anyway -- and honestly, the original version of MB:AC really was a mediocre game. Now you could argue why it stayed there so long -- general neglect, snark value, personal bias of most readers, etc..

[zeech]

..... doesnt that mean YOU can change the wiki entry, if your opinion has changed?

I guess I should have checked the dates.  I'm not used to wikis that arent updated often, I suppose

[Tempered]

His opinion hasnt changed, and unfortunatly its the opinion of most people in the fighting community.

[zeech]

Oh. Why is she here then?

Any why dont people like it?  Are they legitimate criticisms?

[Tempered]

Not really. Two main reasons are the game can be a bit random and they don't like that mashing A can beat out some stuff.

[Legendary Blue Shirt]

Don't take the opinions of people who cannot spell "warrant" too seriously.

Here have some hate.

[zeech]

I would have thought that MBAC stacks up pretty well against the more crazy tier of fighting games, like the VS series, etc. 

[FireBearHero]

Not really. Two main reasons are the game can be a bit random and they don't like that mashing A can beat out some stuff very damn near everything.

HIGH PRIORITY CHARACTERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GO

[Curbeh]

You just mad you can't mash A hard enough.

[Irysa]

Actually I've found most of the reason to be in the character design anime aesthetics and the apparently "boring" combos to be the greatest dislike of the game from most other fg players.

I think some bitched about the floatiness too.

[motoh]

The only complaints I have left from my local circle is '2a' and few male characters.

MB is like an infection.  Just get it in there and let it spread on its own.  :3

~M

[Lokanas]

  MB SUCKS

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

[zeech]

MB SUCKS

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

.... so why are you here?

[Ultima66]

No offense but I've spent 10 dollars on Melty this week alone at UFO and I don't find it that interesting any more. Especially when there's BlazBlue right next to it.

[LoliSauce]

;-;  I guess the true lovers of the game really do have to be fanboys of Type-Moon.

Mmm, Miyako.    Mmm, Inversion Impulse.    Mmm, 2A. 

[Alfonse]

MB SUCKS

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

.... so why are you here?

You don't have to love or like Melty Blood to be on Melty Bread, at least not after you've stayed for a while. Then your attention shifts over to lolis, dickgirls and... uh.. someone more seasoned can add to that.

[mewofforcena]

MB SUCKS

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

.... so why are you here?

You don't have to love or like Melty Blood to be on Melty Bread, at least not after you've stayed for a while. Then your attention shifts over to lolis, dickgirls and... uh.. someone more seasoned can add to that.

Traps and Touhou?

[zeech]

Heh, ok.  Seems interesting that theres several people who seem to hate the game on its fansite.

[LoliSauce]

Eh, I'd say it's more tough love than outright hate.

[zeech]

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

Hmm, what are peoples' opinion of MBAA?   ASSUMING THEY PATCH THE GAME LOTS and fix up the character balance, bugs and infinites, then it does seem like the above issues are addressed by the many character modes and the hierarchy system.


Although, my friend who I introduced MBAC to also commented on the similarity of the cast, but personally I couldnt understand it.   Sure, everyone dashes and jumps around and does big combos and block strings on each other, but they're just standard mechanics.   It's like saying "everyone in KOF98 just dashes around and pokes each other."  or, "Everyone in 3rd strike just dashes/jumps around, and pokes each other, and comboes with low middle kick into super.  And parries."

MBAC has the funky ranged / persistence users like Aoko, Nero, Hisui, Len.  Ranged hybrids like MHisui and Ciel.  It kinda has throwers in Touma and Satsuki.  And some characters are very simple in their combo mechanics, whilst others have very demanding and complicated ones.

This is from a surface viewpoint since I'm new to MBAC.  But the usual trend is that character differences become more obvious as you learn the subtleties of the game.  Is this not the case in MBAC?

[Ultima66]

Compare character differences in games we actually play. We're talking about Guilty Gear and now BlazBlue.

Also MBAA ver A came out too late. There's no hype. It's not as balanced as MBAC either.

[Chie Satonaka]

Get mad. Seriously though, 2A and lack of variety amongst the cast is reason enough to dislike the game and/or rate it mediocre.

Hmm, what are peoples' opinion of MBAA?   ASSUMING THEY PATCH THE GAME LOTS and fix up the character balance, bugs and infinites, then it does seem like the above issues are addressed by the many character modes and the hierarchy system.

They did patch the game LOTS and fixed up the character balance, bugs, infinites, etc...its called MBAA Version A. Now from what I've seen in MB:AA its really shaping up to be one hell of a game and I'm personally as hyped as I was when I first saw vids of MBAC way back in 2006. Actress Again got the "Accent Core" treatment through and through with new artwork, VAs, levels, and especially when it came down to the balance and IMO because it got the "Accent Core" treatment characters who weren't as tournament viable (W.Len and Warachia) can finallly keep up with the rest of the cast. Melty Blood does one thing that a lot of fighters fail to do and that is balance the game to the point where everyone is able to win...you can't say that about 3/4 of the fighters that's out right now whether its old or new.

[qoute] This is from a surface viewpoint since I'm new to MBAC.  But the usual trend is that character differences become more obvious as you learn the subtleties of the game.  Is this not the case in MBAC? [/quote]

You are right and it applies to most fighters, but if your game happens to be the cool game to shit on and isn't popular enough to be at EVO then it really doesn't matter which is exactly what MB is doomed to. Doesn't help when its own player base will become sheep and shit on it just so they don't get flamed for liking it.

Also MBAA ver A came out too late. There's no hype. It's not as balanced as MBAC either.

LOLOLOLOLOL There's no hype for MBAA. What did you expect? Members from this own site, SRK, and Dustloop hates and shits on this game because of the "2A problem" (I've been playing this game since MBAC was on the PS2 and I still fail to see the big deal). You can't show any amount of hype for this game w/o some dumbass who either: sucks at MB, don't know wtf they're talking about, or only seen low/scrub level vids...and MBAA not being as balanced as MBAC...just in case you missed it the first time:

Actress Again got the "Accent Core" treatment through and through with new artwork, VAs, levels, and especially when it came down to the balance and IMO because it got the "Accent Core" treatment characters who weren't as tournament viable (W.Len and Warachia) can finallly keep up with the rest of the cast. Melty Blood does one thing that a lot of fighters fail to do and that is balance the game to the point where everyone is able to win...you can't say that about 3/4 of the fighters that's out right now whether its old or new.

[mewofforcena]

Heh, ok.  Seems interesting that theres several people who seem to hate the game on its fansite.

http://www.meltybread.com/forums/index.php?topic=2100.0
Hate the game?

[Ultima66]

and MBAA not being as balanced as MBAC...just in case you missed it the first time:

Actress Again got the "Accent Core" treatment through and through with new artwork, VAs, levels, and especially when it came down to the balance and IMO because it got the "Accent Core" treatment characters who weren't as tournament viable (W.Len and Warachia) can finallly keep up with the rest of the cast. Melty Blood does one thing that a lot of fighters fail to do and that is balance the game to the point where everyone is able to win...you can't say that about 3/4 of the fighters that's out right now whether its old or new.

It's actually not as balanced as MBAC though. 80% of videos with machines with multiple players have either H Vsion, H/C Kohaku, H Tohno, H Akiha, or Wara players playing each other for hours and whenever someone plays a different character they tend to lose. It's not like most Capcom games where low tiers are unplayable, but it's really obvious Kohaku C/H and Vsion H are significantly better than every other character.

Also Half Moon is fundamentally better than other styles. This doesn't really mean anything but given the exact same movesets, Half Moon is better than the other two styles. The automatic healing makes them "safer" to use, and they get health back at 200% to Full Moon's RC Heat that requires 300%. The 6AAA autocombo also makes easier combos for Half Moon, and generally they always do more damage per combo because of it. There's obviously cases where movesets matter, but at the same time Half Kohaku is used more than Crescent and Half actually loses the most important aspect of MBAC Kohaku and only gained damage and health benefits of Half. Hell, Half Moon Kohaku even has less control over her normals and generally worse ones than Crescent (Crescent moon got 5C and 2B split into 2 parts, but Half can't split it and doing 5C is just plain 5C, not to mention Crescent has a really good 6C and 4/6B, whichever that kick is).

I think tiers are pretty set in MBAA, where they weren't in MBAC. Maybe the lower tiers weren't (no one stands out as bad like Wara or Wlen did in MBAC, or even close to just plain bad), but the high tiers are. MBAC high tiers have shifted for a long time, with lots of different characters being considered "top" and then getting moved down, or considered "high" and getting moved up. Akiha used to be high tier with Vakiha above her at a point, Sion used to be the very top until people realized without her infinite she wasn't the best any more, and Warc has floated between top and high too. Kouma seems to go up every new tier list, Mhisui used to be low-mid, and Nanaya/Tohno have traded places before and used to be higher than they are right now. As it stands, there's absolutely no chance that H Vsion will ever be less than top tier, and MBAA hasn't even been out for all that long.