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: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: c-nero 5[c] August 19, 2009, 10:37:20 AM
Alright, before we get started I want to make one thing clear. Do NOT discuss piracy in this thread. As far as this thread is concerned, this is a place for discussing how to play your legally-bought copy of MBAA on an emulator with a legally-dumped BIOS that you dumped from your own PS2. Emulation by itself is not illegal and (I hope) doesn't break any forum rules.

Well, obviously, first off you'll want to know if your PC is good enough to run MBAA. And my answer to that is "I dunno, lol". Your best bet is to simply try it and see for yourself. Since the emulator is just a tiny download and you have your MBAA disc sitting right there, there's no harm in at least trying, right?

Once you've downloaded PCSX2 from here (http://pcsx2.net/downloads.php), you'll want to start it up. Point it at the bios file that you legally dumped from the PS2 you already own, and get stuck into those nitty gritty config screens.



(http://i26.tinypic.com/skxqhu.jpg)
You have three choices for video. The first choice, the Gsdx thing, will give you the best speed and highest performance graphics, and is somewhat tweakable. However there's a price you pay for speed, and it's minor artifacting onscreen. For an example, check these images:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2e30ah2.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/335crps.jpg

It's not as bad as it looks in still images, but it's definitely noticable. I played MBAA like this for hours without caring, and only decided to mess around and try to fix it when I decided to take a break. So it's not a huge deal.


The second option is here. http://pcsx2.dyndns.org/index.php#GSdx Here is an updated version of Gsdx. Make sure your directX is updated to the latest version (march 2009) and make sure you download the C++ thing at the top of that page. This Will fix the sprite artifacts as long as you set it up properly (see below(thanks daimao!))

(http://i25.tinypic.com/4gsvw3.jpg)
Set "resolution" to however big you want the window to be. This is just stretching, and should not effect performance. MBAC PC default window size was 640x480, for reference.


The third choice, ZeroGS, is much more customisable, allows for antialiasing and other cool stuff, and it will fix the sprite problems.
When using either Video plugin, you should configure settings for interlacing as per your preferences. Turning it on will result in lines across the screen, turning it off will result in the screen "tearing" - you can probably spot some tearing in the two screenshots above. It's up to you. Pick your poison. Gsdx blur interlacing looks far far better than anything zeroGS has.
FYI, if you hold triangle+cross once the render window comes up, pick the top option twice to use progressive mode. This way, you don't have to use the render plugin's deinterlacer, which makes it look quite pretty (no scanlines or blurriness)
Thanks mrthefter!



(http://i25.tinypic.com/m8ft60.jpg)

For sound, you have three choices. The top choice will give you the absolute nicest quality sound, however it will be somewhat desynced from the video, in my experience (your mileage may vary). Test it and see.

The second choice will give you audio that is perfectly synced, but sounds garbled and messed up, and won't play music properly. Obviously i don't reccomend it.

The Third choice is a happy balance between the two. It sounds pretty decent and is slightly desynced, but it isn't majorly noticable. I reccomend the third option here for most people, but again it depends on your machine. Set it up like this:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/2bpthw.jpg)


If anyone finds a way to get perfect audio in PCSX2, please tell me and I'll update the thread.

Lastly, make sure to click "configure" on your CDDVD-ROM plugin, and set it to the drive that you will be mounting inserting your MBAA disc into, or else you won't get anywhere. You'll also need to configure your controls, but surely you don't need a walkthrough for that.

Speed Hacks - If you are running an older computer or are having any kind of issues, mess around in this screen.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/313j7g4.jpg)

As you can see, I do not have any speedhacks available. This is because I don't waste all my money on bad japanese cartoons, ugly figurines, or subpar quality fighting games, and thus I can afford a real computer. If you are less fortunate, experiment with these options until you get MB running at a solid 60fps. Only change one option at a time, that way, if something breaks, you know how to fix it.


One last thing. If your MBAA is actually running too fast, you can limit the framerate in config > cpu. Thanks to Zelretch for this.

That's about it. Keep in mind these are the settings I use on my machine (AMD 6000+, 8800GTS 512, 2GB ram) and they may not work for everyone. Please try and put some effort in by testing different settings before posting in this thread whining that "it doesn't work". I have little tolerance for people who can't help themselves.

AND DON'T TALK ABOUT PIRACY YOU STUPID FUCKS HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS FOR TALKING ABOUT PLAYING YOUR LEGAL COPIES OF MBAA ON THE PC SO THAT YOU CAN USE PC-COMPATIBLE PADS/STICKS/KEYBOARDS FOR PLAYING IT
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: motoh August 19, 2009, 10:41:25 AM
That artifact effect looks like the same thing MBAC had when you had Antialiasing on.  Try turning it off?

~M
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 19, 2009, 10:43:28 AM
That artifact effect looks like the same thing MBAC had when you had Antialiasing on.  Try turning it off?

~M

I couldn't even find an option for antialiasing in gsdx configuration, and I don't have it turned on in my graphics card drivers.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Draku August 19, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
zeroGS with bilinear and interlacing mode 1 with no speedhacks on makes for nearly perfect visuals for me.
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7618/woaho.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cloud1234 August 19, 2009, 11:05:46 AM
It is the same for me but when i jump or dash the char is streching like hell :/
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 19, 2009, 11:14:44 AM
It is the same for me but when i jump or dash the char is streching like hell :/

That's the interlacing. You can turn it off to fix that but you'll get crazy tearing.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 19, 2009, 11:23:49 AM
"Video" section updated, everyone should double check it.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: dakanya August 19, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
windoze onry??
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: motoh August 19, 2009, 12:34:53 PM
There are linux sources for PCSX2, I may tinker with them this weekend.

~M
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: dakanya August 19, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
somehow i broke it and my linux slowed to a crawl so i did a hard reboot and got it working in windoze lol
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Daimao August 19, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
For Linux you may want to try ZZogl video plugin.  I say "may" because I haven't tried it myself.  Your Mileage May Vary (tm)

http://forums.pcsx2.net/thread-4108.html  <- ZZogl Main Thread Here

I am going to try for a good GSdx config sometime this week.  Also, for that first Audio Plugin, you will need to tweak the latency regardless of how good your system is.  Default delay is like 150ms or something (kinda high).  You want to get it as low as possible without pops/weirdness.

GSdx Hardware Mode Update:
You can fix the broken pixels by simply ticking the Native box for D3D Internal resolution.  I solved that in like 1 second but forgot to post about it.

For interlacing options in GSdx pick whatever has the trade off that bothers you the least.  Of the good interlacing settings you will either get fuzzy/blurry text or some scan lines when there's a lot of movement on screen.  I went with the scan lines just because it annoyed me less than trying to read blurry kanji.  I suggest running the game in as normal a setup as possible FIRST.  Then try some speed hacks ONE AT A TIME.  If you bring it too far past 60fps it now has to spend even more processing power to throttle the framerate so the game doesn't run too fast.  CPU/northbridge temp will rise if you tax it more than you need to.  Which means possible bacon and eggs.

Now to tweak my audio settings so i have as little delay as possible.  :toot:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Abstract Nonsense August 19, 2009, 06:39:30 PM
I'm having an interesting problem with the emulator. It never saves my options. If I exit, I have to reconfigure everything all over again, and it won't save my pad config at all. I'll go to "apply" and "ok". But if I reopen controller config, nothing is there. It's back to zero. I assume that's not supposed to happen.

ATTENTION VISTA USERS, THIS CAN BE SOLVED BY RUNNING PCSX2 AS ADMINISTRATOR.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 19, 2009, 06:40:35 PM
For Linux you may want to try ZZogl video plugin.  I say "may" because I haven't tried it myself.  Your Mileage May Vary (tm)

http://forums.pcsx2.net/thread-4108.html  <- ZZogl Main Thread Here

I am going to try for a good GSdx config sometime this week.  Also, for that first Audio Plugin, you will need to tweak the latency regardless of how good your system is.  Default delay is like 150ms or something (kinda high).  You want to get it as low as possible without pops/weirdness.

It may say that, but it felt a lot closer to the big 1000ms, in other words around a second.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: zawp August 19, 2009, 10:07:06 PM
Random note: When running the game via an emulator, you're able to use standard PC tools like memory editors and debuggers to cheat.

If you bind Tsearch to the game, add a cheat at address 57642B4, call it character ID or soomething. While you're on the player select screen, enter 51 into it to select Archetype-Earth. She doesn't seem to have an arcade mode (game just hangs), but others should work fine. I'm using her in training mode currently, with the fancy eclipse moon type.

She's... fairly anti-climatic. She's basically Arc with hax stats, slightly modified moves, and a new win animation.

[EDIT]

Actually, looks like the memory location I mentioned is dynamic. You can find it by selecting Arc, searching for 1, selecting Sion, searching for 0, selecting Ciel, searching for 2, and then alternating between those until the results narrow down.

Another edit, looks like 16 = GAkiha. 32, despite being labeled as Roa on the character select screen causes Dust of Osirus to pop in.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: WanteD August 19, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
My settings make me able to play almost exactly like MBAC , it only laggs a bit on the char select, but in game its as smooth as it can be, no pixel breaking, no lines

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1687/emusettings.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7430/speedhacke.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Daimao August 19, 2009, 11:00:41 PM
Ewwwww software mode. Ewww.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Legendary Blue Shirt August 20, 2009, 06:43:11 AM
http://pcsx2.dyndns.org/index.php#GSdx

Beta revision 1650 of the GSdx plugin will display MBAA perfectly without artifacts or filters necessary.
You're welcome.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Draku August 20, 2009, 09:33:49 AM
http://pcsx2.dyndns.org/index.php#GSdx

Beta revision 1650 of the GSdx plugin will display MBAA perfectly without artifacts or filters necessary.
You're welcome.
Tried it a bit ago, makes it look even worse than it did before with GSDX. Dunno what's up.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Legendary Blue Shirt August 20, 2009, 09:34:30 AM
Try modifying the INI settings to load the window in 640x448
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Mailorder August 20, 2009, 11:14:35 AM
Runs great!  The scan lines on the health bars/portrait and meters are slightly annoying, but I can live with it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Mailorder/mbaa_test.png)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200+
GeForce 8800GTS
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 20, 2009, 11:57:50 AM
Runs great!  The scan lines on the health bars/portrait and meters are slightly annoying, but I can live with it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Mailorder/mbaa_test.png)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5200+
GeForce 8800GTS

Your system is fairly similar to mine, I reccomend trying out the new GSDX. The OP has been updated several times so check it again, it might have changed since you last saw it. GSDX with "blend" interlacing looks identical to MBAC PC.

EDIT: IMO we have pretty much totally covered video it's about as good as it's going to get. Does anyone have any reccomendations for sound? either new plugins, or new settings for the existing plugins.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Curbeh August 20, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
Nice guide man.
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 20, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
Revamped the OP yet again. Made the new gsdx stand out more, included info on configurating video/sound, included info on speed hacks for fags with shit computers. Unless a revelation in sound processing comes along, this should be final.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Toastman August 20, 2009, 12:42:46 PM
Anyone else get lag when you're in the character select screen and you are choosing what moon style to use?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Mailorder August 20, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
Followed your new instructions and now it looks perfect : )  Thanks again!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Mailorder/mbaa_test2.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Toastman August 20, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2732/72348643.jpg)



Is this happening to anyone else?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Kryian August 21, 2009, 12:14:14 AM
Thanks a ton for the guide.  Got it working super smooth on my laptop.  Is there any reason I shouldn't use Emu'd MBAA for serious casual (oxymoron!) play?  Having mobile Melty is too good.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Iduno August 21, 2009, 04:52:46 AM
Nice guide, but is thre any way to tell where the pcx2 plugins are stored?

I want to put those updated ones in but can't find the folder for love nor money.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Ultima66 August 21, 2009, 06:20:41 AM
Nice guide, but is thre any way to tell where the pcx2 plugins are stored?

I want to put those updated ones in but can't find the folder for love nor money.
By default C:\Program Files\Pcsx2\plugins

But you can dump all the plugins to wherever and point pcsx2 to the plugin directory in the config.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Mailorder August 21, 2009, 11:25:11 AM
Thanks a ton for the guide.  Got it working super smooth on my laptop.  Is there any reason I shouldn't use Emu'd MBAA for serious casual (oxymoron!) play?  Having mobile Melty is too good.

Can you post the specs for your laptop?  I'm getting a new one in the next few months, and mobile Melty will be a factor in what sort of laptop I get : p

If I want to send someone my save file so they don't have to unlock characters, what file should I send?  I see my "memcards" folder, but my pal already has a pcsx2 emulator and I don't want my mcd001.ps2 file to overwrite his when it may overwrite existing files on his.  Is there a program I should download that lets me manage save files or something?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: dakanya August 21, 2009, 11:35:42 AM
Disable that memory card slot
Point it to another file
Backup your pal's file

etc
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 21, 2009, 11:53:26 AM
I'll be sure to check out this thread when i eventually update my PC,
though by that time the PC version is probably out.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Kryian August 21, 2009, 01:54:18 PM
Can you post the specs for your laptop?  I'm getting a new one in the next few months, and mobile Melty will be a factor in what sort of laptop I get : p

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114653

That right thar.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Curbeh August 21, 2009, 06:46:38 PM
What do you do go get fraps to record well?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 21, 2009, 10:52:15 PM
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2732/72348643.jpg)



Is this happening to anyone else?

Try unchecking allow 8-bit textures. A friend of mine had the same problem, and that was the problem  :psyduck:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Iduno August 22, 2009, 12:21:32 AM
Nice guide, but is thre any way to tell where the pcx2 plugins are stored?

I want to put those updated ones in but can't find the folder for love nor money.
By default C:\Program Files\Pcsx2\plugins

But you can dump all the plugins to wherever and point pcsx2 to the plugin directory in the config.

Thanks I'll try thatnext time I can get hold of the laptop. (Can't right now since it's not mine)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: psu319 August 22, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
  I know I sound like an ass but can someone who is running MBAA with PCSX2 upload a memory card file with all of the characters unlocked.  I'm having no luck with it.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 22, 2009, 08:29:33 PM
L 2 search
http://www.meltybread.com/forums/archetype-earth/the-red-moon-style-secret-boss/msg57164/#msg57164
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Toastman August 22, 2009, 09:58:59 PM
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2732/72348643.jpg)



Is this happening to anyone else?

Try unchecking allow 8-bit textures. A friend of mine had the same problem, and that was the problem  :psyduck:

Sorry but that didn't fix it at all.  I tried running it in software mode and the pixels come back but it's laggy as hell.  Anyone know why this might be?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: c-nero 5[c] August 23, 2009, 03:52:40 AM
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2732/72348643.jpg)



Is this happening to anyone else?

Try unchecking allow 8-bit textures. A friend of mine had the same problem, and that was the problem  :psyduck:

Sorry but that didn't fix it at all.  I tried running it in software mode and the pixels come back but it's laggy as hell.  Anyone know why this might be?

What graphics hardware do you have?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Masu August 23, 2009, 07:38:35 AM
My settings make me able to play almost exactly like MBAC , it only laggs a bit on the char select, but in game its as smooth as it can be, no pixel breaking, no lines

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1687/emusettings.png)
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7430/speedhacke.png)
Ugh. My computer is a friggin relic I suppose. It wont let me pick that for the Graphics. It keeps telling me "This cpu doesn't support SSSE3" and I pick SSSE2 and the screen vibrates and is fuzzy and it runs slow and all kinds of other crap  :emo:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 08:18:39 AM
do you people believe that this can run decently on a 5 years old computer?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 08:23:01 AM
That depends on how ''powerfull'' you pc is. I don't know how old mine is, but since I bought it from some guy a year ago I suppose it's about 5 years old now and it runs MBAA just fine.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 09:16:31 AM
I really don't know...
I'll try it out for myself once the game arrives.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 09:42:35 AM
I hope it will run. If not you can either buy a PS2 or upgrade your PC. The PS2 would be probably cheaper, but with a newer PC you can easily emulate a PS2. But it's up to you and how much money you want to spent to play MBAA.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 09:57:59 AM
I do have a modded ps2 and one asian which i newly bought,
i just prefer PC over ps2.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 10:07:37 AM
Ohh..ok  ;D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: mrthefter August 23, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
FYI, if you hold triangle+cross once the render window comes up, pick the top option twice to use progressive mode. This way, you don't have to use the render plugin's deinterlacer, which makes it look quite pretty (no scanlines or blurriness)

@Masu
This will help with the vibrating. As for slowness turn on some speedhax.

@Sabator
Software mode is inherently slower than hardware mode. If you have multiple cores (read, 3+, although 2 might work) try increasing the number of rendering threads. As for the white boxes, it might have to do with texture filtering, but play around with that 8-bit texture option, too.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 11:28:58 AM
This is amazing!
the game runs at 6 FPS, but when i have speedhacks on, IT RUNS AT 40 FPS!!
it isn't great and i can't really play it, but to think my old fossil could get so high FPS, let alone start the emulator!
Now i'll mess around with the settings a bit more and see if i can improve it.
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2085/utennavna.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Legendary Blue Shirt August 23, 2009, 11:42:50 AM
Shot taken using progressive scan mode  :)

(http://www.justnopoint.com/lbends/junk/gsdx_20090823153856.bmp)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 11:51:24 AM
Now i made it run at 50 FPS, now I'm certain i can make it go the extra mile to 60.
is progressive scan mode available in GSDX9?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: mrthefter August 23, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Yeah. Progressive scan is a game option in MBAA. It's like how Guilty Gear had the option when holding the same buttons. FWIW, all computer monitors are basically progressive scan. Only non-HDTV broadcasts are interlaced (and anything that plugged into non-HDTVs, such as pre-HD consoles), with the exception of 1080i. This is why there is a distinction between 480i and 480p, or 1080i and 1080p.
In fact, if you pay attention to the console, it says it switches to 480p mode.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 12:25:47 PM
I see, how do you access that mode?
and  another question for those of you that uses speedhacks, what are your settings?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: mrthefter August 23, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
FYI, if you hold triangle+cross once the render window comes up, pick the top option twice to use progressive mode. This way, you don't have to use the render plugin's deinterlacer, which makes it look quite pretty (no scanlines or blurriness)

I think most of the speedhack settings should be pretty compatible with this game. Sound might suffer some degrade in quality, but it should be safe to set all the speed hacks.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Toastman August 23, 2009, 01:21:46 PM
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2732/72348643.jpg)



Is this happening to anyone else?

Try unchecking allow 8-bit textures. A friend of mine had the same problem, and that was the problem  :psyduck:

Sorry but that didn't fix it at all.  I tried running it in software mode and the pixels come back but it's laggy as hell.  Anyone know why this might be?

What graphics hardware do you have?

Intel G33/G31 Express Chipset Family.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 01:28:14 PM
My solution was setting the Renderer to Direct3d9.

Anyways, do it matter if the BIOS i use is from a PAL ps2?

and about those speedhacks, of x1.5, x2 or x3 cycling, which works best?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
Anyways, do it matter if the BIOS i use is from a PAL ps2?

and about those speedhacks, of x1.5, x2 or x3 cycling, which works best?
the bios shouldn't matter since it's an emulator and for those speedhacks, most of it depends on you PC and how much more speed you need for better fps, i suggest the x2 cycling, but you can try and see how the game runs
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
Everything is mostly the same.
i feel i am so close to get stable speed!
right now it stays mostly at 40,
sometimes going over to 50,
and it goes to 60 when a character does it's win pose.

then, of the advanced settings, which is the fastest?
i have tried enabling everything that say "fastest" yet i can't really tell the difference.
I guess i'm expecting too much of my old piece of junk, but i feel so close...
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6928/utennavnb.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 23, 2009, 02:04:35 PM
Use 2x cycling speed hacks
Then try using:
Enable IOP cycling 2x
Wait Cycle sync hack
INTC Sync hack

Try messing around with those three options. I'm pretty sure having all three checked at the same time doesn't really work well, but you never know. If all three on doesn't work then just try different combinations of 2 of them or just one of them.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 02:07:18 PM
also try enabling frame skip in the CPU options...thing..in the emulator, that should give you some more fps
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 23, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
Tried it, there was no difference except the screen kept flickering.
guess the only thing left to do is mess around with the speedhacks.
I'm done for tonight, 6 hours straight of figuring these things out is really boring.
Oh well, 40 FPS is better than 6 FPS.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Masu August 23, 2009, 06:46:21 PM
FYI, if you hold triangle+cross once the render window comes up, pick the top option twice to use progressive mode. This way, you don't have to use the render plugin's deinterlacer, which makes it look quite pretty (no scanlines or blurriness)

@Masu
This will help with the vibrating. As for slowness turn on some speedhax.

@Sabator
Software mode is inherently slower than hardware mode. If you have multiple cores (read, 3+, although 2 might work) try increasing the number of rendering threads. As for the white boxes, it might have to do with texture filtering, but play around with that 8-bit texture option, too.

NVM Wist answered for me :p
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Kung Fu Man August 23, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Regarding the progressive mode, it ended up behaving oddly when I went into boss rush with it on: music cuts out, it glitched up once, and persistently crashes during the fight with Dust or when she's KO'ed. Anyone else get these problems?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 10:43:00 PM
Tried it, there was no difference except the screen kept flickering.
guess the only thing left to do is mess around with the speedhacks.
I'm done for tonight, 6 hours straight of figuring these things out is really boring.
Oh well, 40 FPS is better than 6 FPS.
Well at least you can allways say your pc is able to emulate a PS2. :3 Anyway, have you tryied the ZeroGS graphic plugin? I think it runs better on older PCs, I'm not 100% sure, but I think you could juice some extra FPS's with it. The graphics are....well....worse (pixelated) , but it should run better.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: WanteD August 23, 2009, 10:52:31 PM
I just tried out zeros on progressive mode and it looks fantastic, I looks just like mbac pc.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: COD3player August 23, 2009, 11:20:59 PM
ok I've tweaked the graphics plugin settings to the point where it looks more or less the way it does on ps2. The game runs at a smooth 60 fps most of the time. Only problem I'm having right now is that there's input delay. Whether I'm using keyboard or converter + pad, there's some input delay. Any clue how to resolve this?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 11:28:31 PM
Did it have the input lag before you started tweaking? The game itself has a small input lag while played on an emulator, so if it's bigger than before, you have your answer.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: GameKyuubi August 23, 2009, 11:28:43 PM
Regarding the progressive mode, it ended up behaving oddly when I went into boss rush with it on: music cuts out, it glitched up once, and persistently crashes during the fight with Dust or when she's KO'ed. Anyone else get these problems?

Nawp.  Progressive is the way to go definitely.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: COD3player August 23, 2009, 11:31:10 PM
Did it have the input lag before you started tweaking? The game itself has a small input lag while played on an emulator, so if it's bigger than before, you have your answer.
The first time I fired it up it had input lag and it's still the same. I'm pretty sure it's not the laptop I'm using or the converter since I have other emulators and there's no input lag with those.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 23, 2009, 11:35:16 PM
The first time I fired it up it had input lag and it's still the same. I'm pretty sure it's not the laptop I'm using or the converter since I have other emulators and there's no input lag with those.
Well, for whatever reason emulator+MBAA= input lag, I don't think you can do anything against it. But you can try a different controller plugins, I don't know where to download any, but try to google it.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: mrthefter August 23, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
I've heard vsync will cause input delay, as will inconsistent framerates. Something to do with multithreading, and emulation getting ahead of rendering. That's why other emulators don't have the same problem. They're not emulating using multiple (synced) cores.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 05:28:09 AM

Well at least you can allways say your pc is able to emulate a PS2. :3 Anyway, have you tryied the ZeroGS graphic plugin? I think it runs better on older PCs, I'm not 100% sure, but I think you could juice some extra FPS's with it. The graphics are....well....worse (pixelated) , but it should run better.
It doesn't work on my PC,
i get this error and then it closes down.
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2138/utennavnn.png)
Back to the plugin that does work, something have given me a pretty nice little boost in FPS, dunno what i did that made it like that though.
also, what does this error mean? it doesn't seem to affect the game or anything, just curious
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5595/utennavn.png)
I have plans of updating my PC by the end of the month.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 07:30:06 AM
I wonder why the plugin doesn't work on your pc. :mystery: I'll try a little google magic and look for a plugin that would work and wouldn't require a beast PC xD. And about that error,I don't know what it means but you shouldn't worry, I have it too and everything seems ok so far....maybe except the fact that for whatever reason I can't unlock AT:E -_-....luckily i found a save with her so I can still enjoy how broken she is xD
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 07:43:50 AM
I'm using that save as well, AT:E is such a waste of space, really...
Now that the game sort of works I'm a bit hesitant to change the settings in fear of ruining it,
but i guess i can't progress if i don't even try.

When it comes to video plugins my only choice is GSdx SSE2, all the others crash.
anyways, anything you see i can do to maybe improve speed?

video
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7803/utennavnf.png

sound
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2085/utennavna.png

advanced
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2138/utennavnn.png

cpu
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1991/utennavnk.png

speedhacks
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4091/fishyp.png
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 07:51:09 AM
I'm using that save as well, AT:E is such a waste of space, really...
Now that the game sort of works I'm a bit hesitant to change the settings in fear of ruining it,
but i guess i can't progress if i don't even try.

When it comes to video plugins my only choice is GSdx SSE2, all the others crash.
anyways, anything you see i can do to maybe improve speed?
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7803/utennavnf.png)
try to change the renderer to Direct3D9 (Hardware) and interlacing to Wave tff (saw-tooth) or just to none. I don't know if it'll help,but maybe it will. I'll play with the plugin around a little and see what works.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 08:04:07 AM
the game run at solid 60 FPS when using hardware but...
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5595/utennavn.png)
This is why i can't use it, unless there's some solution to it of course.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 08:17:21 AM
There is still one option left, BUT your pc can freeze or crash. Set everything back to how you had it before (software mode) and while running the emulator press good old ctrl+alt+del,go to processes (I don't have an Eng. windows so I don't know how it's called) and set the emulators priority to real time. This will give the emulator the power of your entire PC and therefore can crash you system. If you're not sure how your pc can handle it,then just set it to the seccond highest, it still may freeze, but nothing should happen..in fact even on real time nothing should happen, but if you're not sure about what's happening and your system seems somewhat strange, restart it/reboot. I don't know what else to say, since hardware looks BAAAAD and software is slow, this is the only thing I can think of.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
Ugh, it's even slower with highest priority, is that normal?
I guess my PC is just too old for this, I'll just keep toying around with the plugins, maybe I'll get it eventually.
Still, thanks for all the help.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 09:15:39 AM
If you play around with it a little, you may find the optimal settings to run it. And DAMN even on highest priority it was still slow? O_o From what I've seen I can't really tell if your pc is good or bad, but judging from you CPU it IS a little old for emulating PS2. Still i think you should be able to run it on at least 45-55 FPS. But don't be too sad, I couldn't even run Act Cadenza a month ago, because of my junk PC, now I have a ''newer'' one, I can't really call it a gaming pc since it's a little old, but it can run what i need to.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 09:42:27 AM
When i have the time and money I'll update to a newer PC.
At least i can still play it on my ps2, but i really dislike playing on a TV for some reason.
The sad thing is, if i found a way to fix the white box thing in hardware mode, i wouldn't have had any problems at all,
since it runs at perfect FPS with it.
 
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
Well I helped you the best I could. Anyway, why do you hate playing on a TV? I'd kill to have a PS2 so i could play it on a big screen. Sadly I can't find a modded one where i live and importing a japanese one would be REALLY expensive :'(
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 10:08:54 AM
I dunno really, i just don't like it.
this is the cheapest asian ps2 you can get that i know of:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-o-49-en-15-playstation2-70-2uo7.html
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 10:18:58 AM
That's a little problem. play-asia doesn't ship to where I live. I was lucky enough that my friend was on vacation in Japan and is a MB fan, otherwise i wouldn't even have MBAA.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 24, 2009, 10:52:57 AM
I do remember seeing some on ebay but i can't seen to find them again...


I seem to make small progress, the VS screen isn't nearly as laggy as before.
Two questions: what does the swr (software?) rend. (render?) thread do?
and because I'm stupid: to get progressive scan mode,
you have to go to the options menu and go to display settings and do something there right?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Gold13821 August 24, 2009, 11:01:49 AM
Software rendering is software rendering...I don't know how to describe it, but the higher you set it the slower will the game run xD and about that progressive scan...I didn't find any option mentioning it so I can't help you with that :(
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 24, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
To get progressive scan, just hold triangle and x as you boot the game up. It'll ask you if you want to enable it or not before you see the memory card screen.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: motoh August 24, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
If anyone can find any other linux graphics plugins, I'd be grateful.  At the moment, any of us on *nix are stuck with the block characters at best.

~M
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 24, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
If anyone can find any other linux graphics plugins, I'd be grateful.  At the moment, any of us on *nix are stuck with the block characters at best.

~M

Which graphics plugin are you using at the moment? Also, it may not even be the plugin itself. MBAA is a pretty poverty game where any computer that isn't over 4 years old can run it, so it could just be that your settings are off.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: motoh August 24, 2009, 01:48:37 PM
ZeroGS linux version.  zzl isn't available, the website is down.

~M
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Press August 24, 2009, 02:06:56 PM
I'll send you a pm regarding this, since it seems more like a one time thing. Plus the way I solve problems like this are mostly super specific, so yea... check your pm lol
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: psu319 August 24, 2009, 02:56:38 PM
I just tried out zeros on progressive mode and it looks fantastic, I looks just like mbac pc.

Progressive scan does look good.  Especially the background they look super clear and crisp.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Shugo August 24, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
hey guys, I managed to get my MBAA to be at 50+ FPS average, but whenever I play the screen would blank out or some lines of sort would appear.
someone know how to fix this? i'll try to get a screenie of it in case you need to see exactly what I meant  :prinny:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 25, 2009, 12:30:16 AM
To get progressive scan, just hold triangle and x as you boot the game up. It'll ask you if you want to enable it or not before you see the memory card screen.
I can't get it to work for some reason...
i guess it wouldn't make the game go any faster anyways.
I'll just stick with playing it on my ps2 until i get together enough money to update my PC.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: GameKyuubi August 25, 2009, 04:34:58 AM
To get progressive scan, just hold triangle and x as you boot the game up. It'll ask you if you want to enable it or not before you see the memory card screen.
I can't get it to work for some reason...
i guess it wouldn't make the game go any faster anyways.
I'll just stick with playing it on my ps2 until i get together enough money to update my PC.

Are you sure you're pushing the right buttons?  It's a function built into the PS2 and game, it's not emulator-exclusive.  As soon as the screen pops up and turns black, (before anything else happens) hold triangle and X and it should give you a message in Japanese.  Select the top one and then a second message should come up with a countdown and it should look much clearer.  Select the top one again and off you go.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist August 25, 2009, 04:57:29 AM
You're right, i was pressing the wrong buttons, the emulator goes even slower now though.
I'll be sure to use this on the actual ps2.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: GameKyuubi August 25, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
You're right, i was pressing the wrong buttons, the emulator goes even slower now though.
I'll be sure to use this on the actual ps2.
Make sure that you're using component cables.  It will only work with those or a VGA adaptor.  If you happen to be missing those, here's a nice site with them for cheeeeeaaaap.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10830&cs_id=1083001&p_id=3706&seq=1&format=2
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys August 25, 2009, 02:04:30 PM
Good one, sab. Explains it great and if one doesn't get it after this he's an idiot :V

Had one pcsx2 emu from 2004 back then and it still runs Melty fine. Now I only need to wait for the game to arrive and my PS2 :3

Edit: Stickie'd.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: psu319 August 26, 2009, 07:08:39 AM
  Anyone who is getting the block characters should try an older GSdx graphics plug in.  I run PCSX2 with GSdx 890 plug in.  Tried the newer GSdx plug in and got the block characters too.  The game evens runs pretty well on my intel celeron laptop that has 1 gig of ram and intergrated graphics.

  The shame is PCSX2 is a beast of an emulator.  Shame there isn't a PCSX2 version just for 2D games.  The pixel shaders would not be needed and processor speed wouldn't be such a factor.



  Ok this is my first attempt to upload a zipped file.  It can only be download 10 times so good luck.  It is the GSdx 890 plugin I am using.  Just copy and past it to the plug in file in PCSX2.  I would back up your other GSdx plug in files first.

http://rapidshare.com/files/271779578/GSdx-sse2.zip.html
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Xx ggmaster xX August 26, 2009, 09:08:31 AM
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600)
Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU          530  @ 1.73GHz
ATI Radeon Xpress 1250
1790.1MB Memory

(http://i27.tinypic.com/104546e.png)

Tested it on my laptop with PCSX2 0.9.6, with GSDx 1650 SSE2 plugin.

Working perfect, with little lag.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/4fvqiw.png)

Also tested progressive mode as above picture, and though it's a bit more laggy to me, graphic quality is much better.

Below, some of the options I used in emulator.

(http://i27.tinypic.com/vqgwuq.png) (http://i25.tinypic.com/6o0h13.png)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/fn775w.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: psu319 August 29, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Anyone have an idea why I can run MBAA in progressive scan windowed but not full screen.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: psu319 August 29, 2009, 11:53:50 AM
Never mind.  I can run it in Progressive scan 4:3 and Stretch but not 16:9.  It seems strange since my display is wide screen.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Fuego August 30, 2009, 01:49:58 AM
My Current Settings
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2250/settings.gif)


Works 100% for me even tested it in a Vs's match against my friends Normal FPS variation between 59-63fps
Which is playable for me at least.
Cpu Settings i find "limit" is the best option in order to keep a consistent fps through out game play. 


Normal Standing in practice fps 60
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2240/60fps.gif)

After Combo in practice fps 59.93
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9058/81375550.gif)


Only char that gives me problems is Reisbyfe
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Danielsan August 30, 2009, 08:34:24 AM
FPS jumping around 59-6x looks rather normal.
Though I'd advise you against the widescreen resolution since the game is meant to be played in a 4:3 ratio.
Also turn off the emulator's interlacing option and trigger the game's 480p mode by holding cross and triangle (B and D) and selecting the upper choices when the game boots, it'll look a lot better.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Belegorm September 17, 2009, 07:12:39 PM
First, to anyone who wants to play on ps2 instead of pc, I'll just say: get Magic Swap Disc.  Works perfectly, is inexpensive, no modding, doesn't void any ps2 warrenty.  I also heard about using the memor32 memory card to put on memento firmware, which allows you to play without swapping discs.  Only thing is, you have to rip the game off the disc to a pc, patch it, then burn it to a dvd-r (which I can't find a problem with since it's your own game you bought anyhow).

Another thing to keep in mind for MBAA on PC is that from what I understand, Sega Naomi (the arcade machine MBAA runs on) emulation is coming along quite well, and I believe MBAC B2 is supposed to work.  There's little point doing that (what with the PC version and all...) but I don't see why MBAA won't work.  Should run better than using a ps2 emulator, at least.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: BurstOfAnger September 17, 2009, 07:50:36 PM
I've got a question:

I want to record some stuff on PCSX2. First I tried Fraps but it crashes everytime I try to record something. Then I tried to use PCSX2's recording feature. It doesn't record sound. How do I get it to record sound?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: rikimtasu September 20, 2009, 02:21:02 AM
PCSX2 1.030 Extremum,a custom retard china ver of emulator,that working well on my old P4.

PC Info:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3858/001mp.png)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3561/002jj.png)
Setting(note that some are simply just renamed:
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9637/003yz.png)
Screenshot:
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5368/mbaa01.png)


: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Azrel September 27, 2009, 07:50:47 AM
Why is it that when I choose ZeroGS as Video plug-in, I got an error message saying "GS plug-in failed to initialize" please, can someone tell me how to fix this? thanks!  :fap:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Belegorm September 28, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
Yay, I'm getting a nice new laptop so I'll be definately trying MBAA on it.  Should be much more convenient :)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Azrel September 30, 2009, 10:24:32 PM
Can someone tell me where to find and download that Chinese Version of PCX that rikimtasu posted? the one called "PCSX2 1.030 Extremum", thanks a bunch!!!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: modelcitizen October 05, 2009, 11:09:29 AM
So, I can run MBAC with 0 hitches. Is MBAA more troubling?   :slowpoke:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Tempered October 05, 2009, 03:04:10 PM
So, I can run MBAC with 0 hitches. Is MBAA more troubling?   :slowpoke:

Well seeing as one of the MBAC ports was MADE to run on the PC, yes.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys October 08, 2009, 01:12:01 AM
One question:

Using that ZeroGS atm but it has somewhat weird lags when I use it. That GSDx9 thingy however causes extreme blurryness even without filters. Screen resolution and internal resolution all set to 640x480px. What can cause this?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: BurstOfAnger October 08, 2009, 01:22:51 AM
I suppose that ZeroGS uses more processing power to make the images look better and more akin to the PS2 and thus, games play a little slower unless you have an awesome computer.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: XxdragonedgexX October 18, 2009, 02:20:43 PM
For some reason i get this when i use the latest gsdx plugins

anyone know how to fix this?

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/XxdragonedgexX/00.jpg?t=1255903485)

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/XxdragonedgexX/52c1412b.jpg?t=1255903514)

some of my settings

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/XxdragonedgexX/setting.jpg?t=1255904017)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Legendary Blue Shirt October 18, 2009, 02:41:28 PM
Get the latest beta release, 1650 at least.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: XxdragonedgexX October 18, 2009, 03:44:00 PM

Still getting the same results with 1650

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/XxdragonedgexX/Capture.jpg?t=1255909253)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dj_iskascribble November 06, 2009, 12:35:51 PM
whenever i put the 1650 plugins in the plugin folder i get error messages when i go to configure
it says "this application has failed to start because MSVCR100.dll was not found Re-installing the application may fix this problem"
but there isnt anything to re-install
then it takes me to the configure screen but zerogs is the only selectable plugin for graphics

edit* i think i got it to work now nvm
yup like a charm :)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: cAm8k December 04, 2009, 09:06:18 PM
First off, sorry for the ignorance of this post but I just came across this game and thought it looked quite amazing. I'd like to give it a try but i have a few questions about playing this on the PC. First and foremost, can you play this online? and if so is there a decent amount of people who play?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: MasterT December 04, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
There is no online for it. The only way to play it on PC is using a Playstation 2 emulator, and the PS2 emulator doesn't have an online component.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: cAm8k December 05, 2009, 04:54:25 PM
Thanks for the response, though it's rather unfortunate, i doubt there are a lot of Melty Blood players to play with in the Kentucky area.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: M.fear December 20, 2009, 12:59:31 PM
First, to anyone who wants to play on ps2 instead of pc, I'll just say: get Magic Swap Disc.  Works perfectly, is inexpensive, no modding, doesn't void any ps2 warrenty.  I also heard about using the memor32 memory card to put on memento firmware, which allows you to play without swapping discs.  Only thing is, you have to rip the game off the disc to a pc, patch it, then burn it to a dvd-r (which I can't find a problem with since it's your own game you bought



Hey thanks for the magic swap disc idea i think Im going to get that.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Relunx December 24, 2009, 06:02:03 AM
Got a problem.
I changed my VGA card to ATI Radeon 4350 512MB RAM.
Now the game framerate reduced to to 5 or below in character select screen. It's very very slow, took like 10 sec to load a frame or smth like that. Before character select screen everything works fine, even in menu. Also when the opening video loads its the same problem. Watching animes (playing avi, mp4, mkv etc files) is fine.
Anybody knows what cause this problem and how can I fix it?

Relunx
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Iduno January 09, 2010, 06:32:08 AM
http://code.google.com/p/pcsx2/downloads/list

Posting this since old link to plugins links to some strange foreign media site now.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: grandlordzero January 10, 2010, 09:50:22 PM
http://code.google.com/p/pcsx2/downloads/list

Posting this since old link to plugins links to some strange foreign media site now.


+heat. Was a bit worried when i checked the original link.

now to see if i can this newfangled emumajig thingie working.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist January 19, 2010, 03:19:28 AM
i got a new pc for christmas :toot:
now the game works almost perfectly... in the official release that is.
go to http://forums.pcsx2.net/thread-3716.html and try out the Beta, it made wonders for me!
Removed all the small slowdowns that kept the game from working 100% for me (yes, that includes progressive scan mode as well),
only thing that still slows the game down is Osiris.
Scratch that, I just assumed that Osiris would since she lagged the game so much before.
I was wrong, no lag at all during the fight!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM January 27, 2010, 04:27:12 PM

Still getting the same results with 1650

(http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/XxdragonedgexX/Capture.jpg?t=1255909253)
yo dragonedge i had the same exact problem you do.  all you have to do to fix it is go into your graphics settings and uncheck Allow 8-Bit Textures.  it removes the white background from the hud and the textures that had it, now your MBAA should run perfectly.  i know mine is with the exception of a small amount of lag experienced when i'm selecting my character's style.  once i select the style it kicks right back up to the solid 60 fps range.  i love it i love it i love it!  :D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico January 28, 2010, 05:09:48 AM
I'll test this and if it works i'll post the results. ;)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM January 28, 2010, 04:38:07 PM
I'll test this and if it works i'll post the results. ;)
here's the update on my part.  ran through Sion's arcade mode smoothly.  i only experienced lag when fighting Osiris (go figure) and the frame rate cut down to 45 fps or so during that fight, but it was still playable.  here's to an awesome arcade ending and a nicely running MBAA on PCSX2. :D  (screencap done with FRAPS) 
 :prinny: (http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww200/NarugaDenka/pcsx2-r18882010-01-2820-05-41-63.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: angelicxx January 30, 2010, 11:09:26 AM
I can't seem to get rid of these lines.
Any ideas? Everything else works fine.
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2779/meltyhelp.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist January 30, 2010, 11:45:14 AM
Try Pressing F5. I think that's what you press to toogle between Interlacing choices.
if not go into the video plugin and chance them manually.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: angelicxx January 30, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
I went to the video plug in and tried all of the interlace options. Most of them made the game look terrible and some made it shake.
Bottom line however was that NONE of the options removed the lines across the characters.


:(
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist January 30, 2010, 12:37:07 PM
Actually, i had the same problem on my old PC,
fixed it by turning off "allow 8-bit textures"I think.
it's quite some time ago, i did have that problem, that much i remember.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: angelicxx January 30, 2010, 12:49:09 PM
My GSX or w/e doesn't show that check box when I go to configure.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist January 30, 2010, 01:02:44 PM
Really?
could you show a pic of it so i can see your exact settings?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: heir January 30, 2010, 04:06:20 PM
Turn off antialiasing.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: s4itox January 30, 2010, 06:45:17 PM
I can't seem to get rid of these lines.
Any ideas? Everything else works fine.
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2779/meltyhelp.png)

Turn off Interlace and runn Progressive Scan mode.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM January 30, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
well guys i posted a video onto youtube showcasing some of MBAA's gameplay on the PCSX2 emulator.  i'll never do it again until MBAA comes to the PC because the emulator already uses about 20% of my CPU and then having it record video that's being compressed as it's recording takes about 60 or 70% of my CPU.  this leaves me with about 30 fps to work with in gameplay.  yeah this montage took me much longer than i expected because doing anything in half of the regular fps is horrid and makes me cry on the inside.  it definitely recorded just fine though so here you go, my very small MBAA showcase on PCSX2.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGOAH-94MOA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGOAH-94MOA)

**EDIT**: angelicxx what version of PCSX2 are you using?  i know i had that problem at one point but i fixed it by getting the latest PCSX2 beta release (1888).  have you tried using MBAA's integrated progressive scan mode?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: angelicxx January 31, 2010, 12:28:52 PM
Well guys I fixed it all.
I re-installed DirectX, and upgraded my PSX2 to the beta version. I also downloaded the latest GSDX drivers and then proceeded to max everything out which fixed it.


It looks amazing, and still over 60 FPS :D.


I also hooked up two PS3 controllers so now me and my roommate are playing!


woot.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM January 31, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
Well guys I fixed it all.
I re-installed DirectX, and upgraded my PSX2 to the beta version. I also downloaded the latest GSDX drivers and then proceeded to max everything out which fixed it.


It looks amazing, and still over 60 FPS :D.


I also hooked up two PS3 controllers so now me and my roommate are playing!


woot.
good to hear you got it working now.  i use my PS2 controller for MBAC and MBAA.  enjoy it!  :D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico February 05, 2010, 03:33:18 PM
Well it's done i already test this emulator and this is the result

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7632/emuladorplay22.jpg)

this is my configuration

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6194/emuladorplay2.jpg)

it works at 10 FPS when charges the scenarios but in the battle i can play very well at 58-60 FPS

can't believe i'm playing MBAA in my PC ;D

Specifications:

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo CPU
E4500 @2.20 GHz
2.20GHz , 1.87Gb RAM


nVidia GEforce 7050/610i
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: suzumiya4ever February 08, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
Hm this is weird, I was playing MBAA on PCSX2 on Vista Ultimate and ran without any lines and anything, it was flawlessly perfect, then I moved to Win 7 pro and I cannot seem to get rid of those dang lines no matter what I do. Is this another compatibility problem for Win 7? I even set PCSX2.exe compatibility to Vista SP2 and still same... used exact same setting from what I had before. Thanks for any help. (I also read this thread and tried everything.. progressive scan mode, new gsdx plugin, updating direct x, using public beta version of PCSX2)  :mystery:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist February 11, 2010, 07:27:18 AM
Try updating your DirectX, there was a new update added to it recently.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse February 23, 2010, 12:44:17 AM
Apologies for bumping this topic, but I finally saw a topic that I felt I had to register up to this board for, having lurked here and read stuff for quite some time.

Therefore, my gift to the Melty Bread community: One of the most recent versions of PCSX2, 0.9.7 Alpha r2650. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r2650.rar) This is (as of February 28, 2010) the latest build. If new builds come out (especially with important feature or plugin changes) I will update, compile, and put a new build up. Please note this build will only work for Windows users; sorry Linux fans, but I don't have the know-how to compile it for Linux too. There's a guide on it, though, and odds are if you're on Linux you're hardy enough to take a look at it anyway, so here's the Linux Compilation Guide. (http://code.google.com/p/pcsx2/wiki/CompilationGuideForLinux)

Put this in a new directory; don't reuse the plugins or INIs from the older version. You will, of course, still need a legal PS2 BIOS, as I don't include one in that package and never will for legal reasons. Dump your own BIOS, and of course, buy your own copy of the game. You can use the PS2 BIOS you've been using for 0.9.6; it will still work fine. Just copy it over to the new install.

Be warned: Some of the configuration stuff (and the look of the emulator) has changed MASSIVELY since the 0.9.6 revisions you guys are using. I'll be glad to help out and answer questions on stuff like this.

Also, keep in mind: PCSX2 runs FAR better on a Dual Core system, period. IT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST A DUALCORE CPU; this means at least a Intel Core 2 Duo, or an Athlon X2. The faster the Clock speed, the better. The faster the FSB frequency, the better. The more L2 Cache, the better. That said, a friend I know has a fairly modest system, and she can get full speed with NO speed hacks. Dual cores are really the key factor. Note that having a Tri or Quad Core will not produce much further speed (yet) due to how the emulator is coded. Also, the instruction set of your CPU really helps: The speed difference between a CPU that supports SSE2 and SSE4.1 can be a good 20-30% in the emulator, as the emulator can use less instructions to do the same work. You can find out what instruction sets your CPU supports with a program called CPU-Z. (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) Use the version of GSdx that is equal to the highest version CPU-Z reports. The only ones that matter are SSE2 (If you don't have this, the emulator won't run - pure and simple), SSSE3 (NOT SSE3 - note the extra S!) and SSE4.1. (ATTENTION ATHLON USERS: SSE4a does *NOT* count for SSE4.1 compatability!) Always use the highest one supported by your CPU; it really helps the speeds. Having a fairly good videocard helps a bit, but it's not as important as the CPU. Anything from a GeForce 7 or higher (ideally, GeForce 8 or higher) or a Radeon X1900 or so should be just perfect.

If you feel you got plenty of horsepower to spare, you can make things look a tiny bit nicer. Sadly, the character sprites cannot be improved (this causes the infamous "lines" problem many of you experience) but you can make the game look a bit nicer and play a bit better:
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this gift of mine. I might have a few more if the demand is up for it. :)

And of course, what would all of this talk be without a nice test shot? (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/meltyblood/actressagain/snapsgsdx_20100223072028.png) Be warned, the image is LARGE - 2560px × 1792px and 1341.76 KB. Yeah, I like lossless PNG. ;)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: s4itox February 27, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
That's a cool new GUI on the emulator, but I find it's less stable? Perhaps it's just because of the state of development it's in right now. The new 0.9.7 has crashed at least twice for me now in the same time frame where the old 0.9.6 didn't even so much as flicker while running MBAA.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse February 28, 2010, 03:39:43 AM
In all of my tests, 0.9.7 is as stable as a rock. I've never had it crash for me on the game, and I've done a full Arcade playthrough from beginning to end several times.

That said, as it *IS* an Alpha, it is possible for it to be slightly less stable for some.

Does it give you an error message when it bombs out? If so, maybe I can try to see why it is.

The first thing I'd make sure of is that you use the right version of GSDX. Naturally, if your CPU only supports SSE2 and you try to use the SSSE3 or SSE4 versions of the renderer, it could cause things to explode.

Anyway, they updated GSdx to fix some DX9 Hardware mode bugs, and since I'm sure at least some, if not most, people will be using that mode, I recompiled a new build. Get 0.9.7 Alpha r2650 here. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r2650.rar)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: sumbody March 02, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
A big thank you to Dark Pulse for his efforts. Detailed explanations and nice compilation of PCSX2 there.

Now I'm having MBAA running perfect on my comp. Though the input lag is still present, so I still stick to my PS2 most of the time.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 03, 2010, 08:24:05 AM
I'll actually be posting yet another new build (2655) later tonight when I get home, as I do not have access to it on my college campus.

Of note is some GSdx fixes (It crashed on PS2.0 only cards) and 5x and 6x scaling options now, but those break Melty's Sprites due to the scalers currently assuming games run at 640x512 for it to work, while Melty runs at 640x448.

If you'd like to see about the largest Melty screenshots you'll ever see, though, knock yourselves out. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/error/gsdx_20100302231059.png) Just be warned: 3840x2688 PNG that's about 2 MB.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Arlieth Tralare March 03, 2010, 11:14:54 AM
What kinds of input lag issues are there?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 03, 2010, 03:01:34 PM
Depends on the system. On mine, none whatsoever, but once again, I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 overclocked to 3.4 GHz, and a GeForce GTX 285. That's pretty beefcake stuff.

You don't need a god system to run it through PCSX2, though - the female friend I mentioned earlier has "only" a Celeron Duo E3300 at 2.5 GHz and a GeForce 9500 GT, and she can get full speed in the emulator.

The real key is if your processor is dualcore or not. No single-core CPU will probably ever reach full speed unless you run it at some insane, liquid-cooled, 6 GHz configuration. Pentium 4s might have a slight speed boost over most singlecores due to hyperthreading, but you really need a dualcore to try to run any sort of PS2 game through PCSX2 at full speed, not just Melty.

After that, the next most important thing is what instruction set it supports. (SSE4.1 is currently the best possible one.) AN INTEL CPU IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN AN AMD CPU. The reason for this is AMD CPUs do not support SSSE3 or SSE4 (SSE3 is useless to PCSX2, and SSE4a is only two of the actual SSE4.1 instructions) and so the only choice if you're on any kind of AMD CPU is the slowest possible renderer, the SSE2 version of GSdx. Those of you with just about any Intel Dualcore can use SSE4.1, so you'll get the best possible renderer. Scream at AMD to change this if you want. I wish you luck.

The next most important thing is what version of DirectX you have, DX9 (XP and lower) or DX10+ (Vista, Win7.) The emu generally runs with less glitches in DX10. DX11 might become a factor once they actually work on that portion of it - for now, it's in there, but just as a "dummy" copy of the DX10 renderer. OpenGL is almost always slower, but if you're on Linux, it's all you got.

After that, it comes down to videocard, but if you bought just about any videocard in the last 3 years or so, that's already more than enough. If it meets Pixel Shader 3.0 spec, it's pretty much set. Obviously, the more onboard memory the better. 256 should do fine for most cases, but if you want to use higher rendering targets and scaling modes, obviously you should have more.

Build r2655 is now up. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r2655.rar) This should fix the crashes for those of you using things like Intel GMA (Why?) and other PS2.0-only cards. It also adds the 5x and 6x scaling as I mentioned, but also breaks the sprites in the way those of you who tried sprite smoothing have experienced before. 4x and under work totally fine without killing the sprites.

Enjoy!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu March 05, 2010, 09:31:14 AM
About DirectX again,

When I run the CD it would ask for an upgrade of DirectX, but my DirectX is 11.. so I don't know what to do.. if I close that windows that would pop up it would say there was an error: GS plugin failed to open/initialize

I should uninstall DX11 and install this DX emulator recomends?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 05, 2010, 10:36:20 AM
You can't uninstall DirectX. It would be a good idea to update it though via the DirectX Webupdate. If that don't work, download the full runtime.

Also, make sure you're using the right version of GSdx. If you have any AMD CPU at all, use the SSE2 version. If you got an Intel dual-core, you can probably run the SSSE3 version; if you got a Core 2 or higher you're good to go with the SSE4 renderer.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu March 05, 2010, 06:15:20 PM
No sucess with webupdate :(. How do I download full runtime? :o

I'm using the correct one, SSE4... I was wondering... Am I not suppose to use GSdx11 since its DirectX 11?

Thanks for your help! o/
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 05, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
GSdx11 will only work if you're on Win7. If you're on Vista, use GSdx10. If you're on XP, use GSdx9. That said, I do think I remember them saying the DX11 one is just a dummy one right now, so see if the DX10 version will work for you, followed by DX9. If one of those works and gets the game going, then stop right there; otherwise, let's continue.

Here's the web installer: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3

And here's the full one if the web one fails: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=0cef8180-e94a-4f56-b157-5ab8109cb4f5

Also, just to be fully safe, use CPU-Z and take a screenshot of its main window, so I can see what sort of Processor you have. Unless you already fully know what processor you have, that is, in which case, tell me the brand (e.g; Core 2 Duo T5500, Phenom II 930) so that I can be sure of what instruction sets you can or can't run. I'm not saying you're a liar, but if it turns out to be that, it's best to nip it here than it is after I exhaust otherwise wasted time on "fixes" that would never work, eh? :P
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu March 06, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Yaaay!!! It's working.

Thanks a lot man.. Really :D.. Now I can play on keyboard. The problem was DirectX.. I've installed the version from the link you sent. It didnt say that it was an older version and everything worked out... but on dxdiag it still appears directx 11 :x

The processor was Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50 GHz 2.50 GHz but the game is running perfectly. It's ok now.

Thank you again :D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 06, 2010, 07:09:33 AM
No problem. You can definitely use the SSE4 renderer; any Core 2 will have SSE4.1, which is all you need for the SSE4 renderer.

Do note if you have some kind of PC gamepad, or one of those PS2-to-USB controllers, you can fully use those after setting them up in the emulator. If not, of course, there's always the keyboard option.

And yes, on DXDiag it should appear as DX11 for you, almost always. The only time it might not is when MS pushes out DX12 and doesn't make everyone upgrade the whole damn OS for it. :P
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico March 19, 2010, 07:35:09 PM
I can't wait for the PC version :(

Any news?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse March 19, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
None. The Arcade version of Actress Again: Current Code will be out in June or July, I think, so I wouldn't expect a PC version before Winter at best.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Elunduil April 08, 2010, 09:23:57 AM
Hey thanks for all of your help with those links Darkpulse. >.>b

It's really helped me get things looking good and smooth with little to no frame loss. Thank you!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse April 08, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
Not a problem. I've heard a lot of people were having input lag on r1888 (The latest official release) which is why I've built these, among other reasons.

For the record, they are still developing it, but there's been nothing that would really affect Actress (i.e; they're doing code changes instead of modifying graphics/sound plugins right now for the most part) so there's been little reason for me to upload a new compile.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Warpticon April 09, 2010, 11:05:55 AM
Ran like crap on my system and I went back to r1888.  :-[
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse April 09, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
Did you try adjusting things? Speedhacks and such?

What are your specs?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: hakosuka April 13, 2010, 10:52:28 PM
Do guys have any idea how to fix the problem with the memory card issue? So far I use the PCSX to load up MBAA with settings that match my comp's setting, but when I get to the part to begin execute the program a message pops up saying: Failed loading Memory card from file: memcards/Mcd001.ps2. Is there something that has to be done like loading a certain file into the memory card folder? any help would be appreciated.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse April 14, 2010, 09:15:49 AM
Ah yeah, the memorycard creation stuff is disabled in the current beta builds. Whoops.

Well, most people who were using PCSX2 r1888 to run Actress would simply use the memory cards from their prior versions. (Those will still work.) However, someone who has never had one might not have a previous memory card file.

So I've attached a blank one. Just extract it to PCSX2's memcards folder, and if you want two of them, just copy and paste it and name it Mcd002.ps2. The file should be 8.25 MB when fully extracted. (It compressed so well because it's empty, of course.)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: snnore May 02, 2010, 08:27:02 PM
I feel like a total n00b
I am having trouble with selecting the file.  It is in the bios folder but it is not being recognized.  Any ideas?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 02, 2010, 08:48:07 PM
What file? Only the BIOS files should be in the BIOS folder. These should consist of (Assuming you're using V2 of a dump) of a BIN file that's 4096k, a 3072k EROM, a 1k MEC, a 1k NVM, and two 512k ROM1/ROM2 files. If you don't have any of these, you will need to dump your BIOS from your PS2. While I will be more than happy to give you instructions as to how to do this, PLEASE NOTE I WILL *NOT* INCLUDE ANY BIOS DUMPS IN MY BUILDS. It's very illegal for one, and for two, the only dump I have is the dump of my own console's BIOS.

That said, if your PS2 can run homebrew software, either through a modchip, SwapMagic, or via Independence Exploit/Free McBoot, dumping your own PS2 BIOS is easy: This topic explains it pretty well (http://forums.ngemu.com/pcsx2-forum/84994-guide-dump-bios-through-usb.html) and tells you exactly what you'll need. Obviously, if your PS2 is not modded, exploited, and you lack something like SwapMagic, this is impossible.

If you're talking about the Mcd001.ps2 file, that belongs in memcards, not in bios.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: snnore May 04, 2010, 03:05:52 PM
Thank you for the help.  I just need to tweak it now to minimize the artifacts
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 04, 2010, 05:22:39 PM
well a couple of months and my MBAA still runs perfectly fine on PCSX2 1888.  i'm back now so i can help people with any problems that they might have getting MBAA working still since i've become a pretty seasoned player now and i've messed with it plenty enough to know what works and what doesn't work and blah blah blah.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 04, 2010, 07:36:49 PM
Thank you for the help.  I just need to tweak it now to minimize the artifacts
If you're getting lines through the characters, make sure texture filtering is disabled, and also disable upscaling the resolution. I should have details on this a few pages back.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 05, 2010, 02:42:34 AM
Thank you for the help.  I just need to tweak it now to minimize the artifacts
If you're getting lines through the characters, make sure texture filtering is disabled, and also disable upscaling the resolution. I should have details on this a few pages back.
and in addition to that, instead of using interlacing, you can also just use the game's integrated progressive scan mode.  i'm sure an earlier post tells you how to do that and it makes the game look really nice and shiny on HD displays like mine.   ;D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 05, 2010, 09:21:55 AM
Indeed. For those too lazy to look it up, though: Hold Triangle + X as the game is loading and select the top option twice.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: snnore May 05, 2010, 01:22:29 PM
Originally I had the graphics on gsdx which caused it to have the lines and lag.  I then switched over to zerogs which caused the characters to "fragment" (pixelate or whatever.  Don't know what to call it) when moving, but there was no lag except when facing Dust of Osiris.  I tried the progressive scan mode and it made it look perfect, except there was a little lag on the character selection screen, some stages, and a lot on Dust of Osiris.  Does the graphics plugin matter when using progressive scan?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 05, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
It shouldn't.

If you're using the older version, upgrade to the latest version I have compiled, and see if that works fine for you: r2655. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r2655.rar)

For the record, it should almost always be better to use GSDX, especially if you have a CPU that has more than SSE2 (i.e; it has SSSE3 or SSE4.1.) OpenGL will be almost always slower in every situation.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: snnore May 05, 2010, 06:40:42 PM
Just tried the new one.  The game works fine except the sound lags and there is a little lag on Dust (40-50fps).  Also, when I configured the new pcsx for the first time, everything reset after I booted MBAA.  And it seems like gsdx reverted to an older version
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 06, 2010, 09:04:04 AM
The game works fine except the sound lags
Decrease the latency in sound settings.

there is a little lag on Dust (40-50fps).
That's actually pretty normal.  My comp lags on Osiris too, I think it's a matter of the processor since the emulator by itself rapes like half of a gig of CPU Memory.  I have a 2 gig CPU and the only time I experience lag is on Osiris and for one weird reason or another, Warakia/Sion TATARI's stage (the place that resembles where Sion and Riesbyfe were first attacked by Warakia).  I really dunno why I lag on the Warakia/VSion stage but I don't fight on that stage too often so it's no big deal, but yeah Osiris lagging your game is very normal.

Also, when I configured the new pcsx for the first time, everything reset after I booted MBAA.  And it seems like gsdx reverted to an older version
Run PCSX2 as Administrator.  Change the setting by right clicking pcsx2-r1888.exe and clicking properties, then go to the Compatibility tab, and mark the checkbox "Run this program as an Administrator" at the bottom of the window, then click OK.  Problem solved, the configuration should save now.  :D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 06, 2010, 01:14:48 PM
Yeah, CPU speed could be a factor. Mine's 3.4 GHz, and I get no such lag with Dust or anyone.

CPU speed and type is important. If it's a Singlecore, it's no wonder you're not getting fullspeed, as I have a friend who has a low-end Intel dualcore and she has no problem getting a full 60.

Sound lag, reduce the latency, yes. Obviously the lower the latency the closer the timing, but if you're going too fast for your sound/audio system, it can begin to skip, pop, and warp. Remember it goes by milliseconds, so a value of 100 means that there will be a .1 second delay between when the sound should play and when you'll hear it.

However, sound lag can also be introduced a bit because you're not getting a full 60 FPS.

NarugaDenka: Is there some reason you don't want to upgrade? r1888 is VERY old; there's a lot of bugs that have been fixed since then and a lot of features that have been added. (Although some things do not fully work yet under the new GUI.)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 06, 2010, 02:23:07 PM
There was an update???  Geez I'm really not up to date, am I?  I got the emulator months ago for sole purpose of playing MBAA and I haven't checked for updates or anything since then.
Well I guess I'm gonna go check the site for the latest PCSX2 version then since it seems I'm working with a fossil now.  I never would've thought about it either since everything runs so perfectly for me, well except for Osiris whom I lag on a bit like I previously stated.  Damn you OSIRIIIIIIIS!!!  >_>
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico May 06, 2010, 02:38:59 PM
There was an update???  Geez I'm really not up to date, am I?  I got the emulator months ago for sole purpose of playing MBAA and I haven't checked for updates or anything since then.
Well I guess I'm gonna go check the site for the latest PCSX2 version then since it seems I'm working with a fossil now.  I never would've thought about it either since everything runs so perfectly for me, well except for Osiris whom I lag on a bit like I previously stated.  Damn you OSIRIIIIIIIS!!!  >_>

where is the update???
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 06, 2010, 02:43:34 PM
well i'm just now getting word that PCSX-r1888 is old so my guess would be that the update is on the site or something.  i dunno, Dark mentioned something about it on page 7.  i'll check within the next half hour and post what i found.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 06, 2010, 09:22:41 PM
The latest official version is still r1888. What I'm doing is compiling builds from the public SVN.

The latest build I compiled is r2655. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r2655.rar) (It's actually well over r2900 now but these are mostly code changes and not worth compiling a whole new build for.) But do make sure you read my notes on how to get the best possible experience, as the GUI has changed a fair bit since r1888 (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/melty-blood-auditorium/how-to-run-melty-blood-actress-again-on-your-pc/msg67291/#msg67291) and  you really need a dualcore, ideally an Intel dualcore, to get the best speed (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/melty-blood-auditorium/how-to-run-melty-blood-actress-again-on-your-pc/msg68123/#msg68123) due to AMD being fucking stupid and not supporting either SSSE3 or SSE4.1. (SSE4a is a joke and useless for SSE4 compatability.)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 07, 2010, 06:07:33 AM
due to AMD being fucking stupid and not supporting either SSSE3 or SSE4.1
ohhhhh dear...  that's a problem on my half then because my dualcore is an AMD Athlon.  of course it's me that would get screwed over on that.  ._.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 07, 2010, 09:35:57 AM
Yep, then the only GSDX renderer you can use is the slowest one possible, SSE2.

Intel CPUs may cost more, but in cases like this where apps support the extra instruction sets they have, it can be a very big factor. As I say, the difference between SSE2 and SSE4.1 could be about 20-30% - certainly could be enough to push you over that 60 FPS threshold...
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 07, 2010, 09:47:06 AM
yeah i might stick with r1888 then since i get a solid 60 FPS in MBAA already except for in the already aforementioned situtations.  darn you AMD and your lacking diversity of compatibility!  >_<
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 07, 2010, 09:52:42 AM
Well, if you get the same (or better) framerates in the later version, there's no reason not to use it.

Install it to a seperate directory and see if speed is better or worse. If it's better, great; if not, delete it. No harm no foul, right?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 07, 2010, 10:08:57 AM
lol I love the experimental rule of thumb.  :D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 07, 2010, 11:36:25 AM
What, this?

(http://darkpulse.project2612.org/PCSX2EatsKittens.png)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Bolverk-GTM May 07, 2010, 12:24:38 PM
LOL.  Uhh, no not that one.  I mean "If you're going to try something new that involves patching or any other major modification or adjustment to something that works well enough for you already and you don't want to fuck something up, make a copy of your directory folder and then try it on the copy!"  ;D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 07, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
Well yeah. Also helps that as of 0.9.7, user settings are stored in the Documents folder as opposed to in the app install directory, too.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico May 09, 2010, 03:34:46 PM
What, this?

(http://darkpulse.project2612.org/PCSX2EatsKittens.png)
lol ;D
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Vhaeraun May 16, 2010, 03:36:08 AM
*contributing*

settings:
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/gospelvhae/settings1.jpg)
(note: sound has.. err artifacts especially during mech hisui's flares, etc.)
PC specs:
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/gospelvhae/settings2.jpg)
In game screens:

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/gospelvhae/pcsx202010-05-1619-21-36-87.jpg)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/gospelvhae/pcsx202010-05-1619-21-43-39.jpg)

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg180/gospelvhae/pcsx202010-05-1619-22-51-42.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 16, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
r1888. Yuck. Use the build I linked to awhile ago.

Also, for god's sake man, use the Progressive output. Hold Triangle and X as the game is loading and select the top option twice. A PC monitor is *ALWAYS* Progressive scan; there is no reason to keep it interlaced.

Also, a C2D E4500 can handle the SSSE3 version of GSdx. Use that for a bit of a speedup.

Finally, if you're on Vista/Win7, use the DX10 renderer, not the DX9 one. DX9 is considerably inferior to DX10.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Vhaeraun May 17, 2010, 01:25:47 AM
Tried all those eye candy settings and it gives me that. But also gives me input delay

yuck my rig can't handle ultra-high settings emulation
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: demotivator2221 May 17, 2010, 07:38:52 AM
best settings

(http://i.imagehost.org/0782/01_12.jpg)

(http://i.imagehost.org/0083/02_7.jpg)

(http://i.imagehost.org/0485/03_3.jpg)


----------RESULT----------
(http://i.imagehost.org/0393/gsdx_20100429232632.jpg)

PCSX2 r2186 (legacy build)
download http://www.speedyshare.com/files/22482306/Pcsx2_0.9.7a.rar

play use progressive scan mode
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 17, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
Minus the facts you're using SSE2, DX9, and a Legacy GUI Build that's over 800 revisions old, I'd have to agree that's generally the best.

Keep in mind that CPU is a factor, folks. For me, the settings I put work for me, but my CPU is pretty decent. If yours is slower, you will have to scale back a bit.

That said, always use the highest version of SSE your CPU supports, and if you can use DX10, do so. The DX9 mode is considerably worse off than the DX10 modes, and most of the future work will be on the DX10/11 side of the renderer I figure, not DX9.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: demotivator2221 May 17, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
I'm sorry, my processor does not support ssse3 and sse4.1 and I'm using OS win xp
the game is made in 2D on the not important, dx10 or dx9 render
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 18, 2010, 02:52:01 AM
Actually, the renderer does matter, but since you're on XP, you're right, there's nothing you can do in terms of if you can use DX9, 10, or 11. The videocard and the OS both have to support DX10 or DX11, and for that you need to go Vista (DX10) or Win7 (DX11) and have a videocard compatible with those capabilities, to boot.

The long and short of why DX10 is better than DX9 for PCSX2 has to do with how things work between DX9 and DX10. A lot of things that are easier or quicker to do in DX10 are hard or impossible to do the same way in DX9, for example, 32-bit depth buffers, to avoid Z-Fighting. This was only - finally - added to the DX9 renderer in r3002. The DX10/11 renderer has had such a thing for a long, long time, because it was easier to implement on DX10 - in DX9, basically, lots of nasty little tricks have to be pulled to get it to do what they need it to do.

There's also the fact that a DX10-class card is relatively cheap now (Easily under $100 US), Vista/Win7 have been out for 3-4 years, and most of the issues that used to plague it have been moot for several years now. DX9, for all intents and purposes, is outdated, and more and more devs are taking advantage of the DX10/11 stuff.

It will still work with Melty, but that's because Melty is hardly a complex game. Even then, it's still possibly slower or inferior to the DX10/11 renderers.

Keep in mind that even though the game is a simple, 2D game, you are still emulating a whole PS2, down to the hardware. And simply put, DX9 can't do the video rendering part of that nearly as good as DX10/11 can.

That said, you COULD in theory upgrade the CPU to allow you to use the SSSE3 or SSE4 renderers... SSSE3 would be basically any Intel Core 2, SSE4 will be found in the 45nm Core 2s. Any i-series (i5/i7) will have SSE4 by default, as well. This would give a small speedup, but obviously, don't go spending several hundreds of dollars if it already runs acceptably for you.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: demotivator2221 May 18, 2010, 04:21:35 AM
My video card supports derectx11, but I'm not going to move to shit vista and win7  :P

and stop talk about it! I just laid  the best settings, i hope the owners winXP will listen to them.  8-)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 18, 2010, 02:08:16 PM
The best under WinXP, yes.

But not THE best. :P

You'll also be forced to move to Vista or Win7 eventually, probably when you have 4 GB or more of RAM. Or if a 64-bit build of PCSX2 comes out. That'll almost surely be faster than the 32-bit one.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 23, 2010, 09:58:32 PM
Alright, since it's been awhile (nearly 400 revisions) and since they've done some notable work on it, I have compiled and uploaded the latest version of PCSX2 0.9.7 Alpha, r3066. You may get it here. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20PRE-ALPHA%20r3066.rar)

Changes of note:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico May 24, 2010, 10:02:53 PM
That not works, i'm using win XP :(
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 25, 2010, 12:52:34 AM
What doesn't work, exactly?

If you tried to install it over your old install, don't (unless that install was of an older 0.9.7 Pre-Alpha; if so, then it's okay.)

Make sure you're using the right version of GSdx. If your CPU can only support SSE2, it won't run with the SSSE3 or SSE4 renderers.

You need to be a bit more specific if you want me to help. I can't read minds, y'know.

As of r3069, it has now officially entered Beta stage, although the work done on it from then to now hardly warrants a new build. They are working on more memorycard manager stuff though, so probably after most of what's left for them to implement is in, I'll compile a new one.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Sena(theEND) May 27, 2010, 07:17:29 AM
I'm getting error where my Cdvd plug-in doesn't start

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2323/norunf.jpg)

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5094/norun2.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 27, 2010, 07:16:59 PM
If you're running off an actual disc, make sure it's in your PC's DVD drive and that you have the proper drive letter selected.

If you're running it off an ISO, make sure you have CDVD > ISO selected. Selecting CDVD > Plugin is what will get it to boot from a physical disc. CDVD > No Disc is what will get you to the PS2 BIOS.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 30, 2010, 03:21:15 AM
While the latest public build came out just yesterday (0.9.7 is finally in Public Beta, in other words - r3119) they added a new gamehack entry, "Skip MPEG Movies," that was worth recompiling for.

This basically skips movies in games. Some games will crash and bomb when attempting to play movies (such as Guilty Gear Accent Core) and so enabling this hack will skip those movies and get the game to play.

You can get Build r3121 here. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20BETA%20r3121.rar)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Sena(theEND) May 31, 2010, 06:47:50 PM
Well now that my issue with Cdvd is fixed Now the game runs 60fps issue is i dont get sprites
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3574/setpx.jpg)
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7319/blockfighters.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse May 31, 2010, 09:04:23 PM
Hmm. You're on at least Vista, so use the DX10/11 version of the renderer, assuming your videocard is DX10-class. (It should be if it was made anywhere in the last 3 years or so.) It's much more complete than the DX9 renderer.

That said, if that don't work, try disabling the Alpha Correction.

Also, everyone please note that right now, PCSX2 will hang if you try to watch the videos. This bug began somewhere between r2655 and r3066. I am trying to have the devs track it down. Not that anyone is very likely to watch the videos at this point, but just a heads up in case you do. Simply skip them and the game will run.

This game does not need the "Skip MPEG Hack" - Melty's videos aren't MPEG, or if they are, they were one of the rare few games where videos didn't lock up the emulator.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Sena(theEND) May 31, 2010, 09:30:07 PM
regrettably DX10 wont work on my pc >.> idc my pc is less then 3 years old anyway i tried the other one u offered that didn't work either
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 01, 2010, 03:40:52 AM
Try this... download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/1.54-setup-en.exe) and run it. Take a screenshot of the "Graphics" Tab and paste it here.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: papagaio June 01, 2010, 05:59:25 AM
Melty Atari?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 01, 2010, 06:51:24 AM
No, but since he's on Vista and for some reason can't run DX10, I'm beginning to think he's on Integrated video, like Intel GMA or something, which isn't sufficient for PCSX2.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 01, 2010, 11:12:50 AM
UPDATE: Got the exact PCSX2 revision where the movies break pinpointed. Devs will (hopefully) be working on a fix soon.

For now, you have three options:

1) Simply skip the movie. It takes about 5-6 seconds to bomb out, so you got plenty of time to hit Start.
2) Enable the Skip MPEG hack... assuming MBAA's movies are MPEG, that is.
3) Prove there's enough demand for me to build the last revision (r2862) that movies were working in and I'll compile it. Of course, I doubt this will ever happen...
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Koshums June 01, 2010, 01:47:47 PM
Hey, lurker here ;)

I thought I'd chime in to say that you can fix the movies by enabling the 'EE timing hack - Multi purpose hack.' in the game fixes menu. I noticed when the movies break the EE was maxed out, so I tried it and it worked! This is in version 0.9.7.3066.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 01, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
Thanks for that report; I passed it along to the devs.

No idea if they'll do an actual fix or not, but for now, that will get movies playing. It could, in theory, break the game, however. (In practice it's pretty unlikely.)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Sena(theEND) June 02, 2010, 05:02:10 AM
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7169/cupid.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 02, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
Yep, Intel GMA like I thought. You have onboard video. That's too weak to handle PCSX2. Sorry.

You COULD try hitting F9 and the game will render via software (as opposed to hardware) rendering, but don't be surprised if you take a massive, potentially unplayable, speed hit. Realistically, you need a real videocard.

The minimum videocard you need is a Videocard that supports Pixel Shader 2.0 or higher. This means at least a GeForce 6, or an ATI Radeon 9500-9800 or X300-X600 or X1200-X1250. This is MINIMUM SPEC, and will not run DX10/11 mode.

Recommended is GeForce 8600GT, or ATI Radeon HD 2400-2900. These are both DX10-class GPUs.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico June 02, 2010, 05:35:27 AM
I'm getting error where my Cdvd plug-in doesn't start

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2323/norunf.jpg)

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5094/norun2.jpg)

I have the same problem, but with the version 0.9.7a that plugin works correctly. :-\
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Sena(theEND) June 02, 2010, 04:15:26 PM
Actually No my pc ran Melty 60fps fine switching to software problem solved XD now to get F/UC running on my Wii
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 02, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
Yeah. Your video hardware is too weak to run the game via hardware rendering.

If it does it fine in Software rendering and is still full speed, then great. F9 will switch between hardware and software rendering at any time, but if you will almost certainly want to just keep it on Software from now on - Hardware is way too demanding considering you have onboard video.

A PCSX2 dev emailed me instructing me to send some blockdumps to him, so look for a future revision that will fix videos without the "EE Timing Hack" soon.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 03, 2010, 09:35:25 AM
Sent off the blockdumps to the dev. He said he'll definitely look into it. A fix might take a few weeks, though, as he is moving.

When he does, I'll compile another build. For now, keep using the EE Timing Hack if you really want to watch the videos, or just smack Start to skip them.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Funky-kun June 15, 2010, 03:50:55 AM
I have a question about the game's control mechanics. In MBAC it was absolutely possible and easy to do dash and while the dash was still active do a 236 motion and a 236 came out. In MBAA, every time I try do do a 236 shortly after the dash, a 623 motion comes out. I does not matter whether I input the dash with forward + A + B or double tap forward. Is this because of controller emulation or because the input buffer is larger in MBAA? If it is not the emulator's fault, are there any tricks to input dash 236?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse June 15, 2010, 07:33:52 AM
I have a question about the game's control mechanics. In MBAC it was absolutely possible and easy to do dash and while the dash was still active do a 236 motion and a 236 came out. In MBAA, every time I try do do a 236 shortly after the dash, a 623 motion comes out. I does not matter whether I input the dash with forward + A + B or double tap forward. Is this because of controller emulation or because the input buffer is larger in MBAA? If it is not the emulator's fault, are there any tricks to input dash 236?
It's probably because of the input buffer If you're already hitting 6 and then attempt to do a 236 motion, the game's reading it as 6236, and the 623 part of it is taking precedence, so yeah, I'd say it's the input buffer.

Try letting go of 6 for a moment, then do your 236 motion and you should be okay. Seems to need about a third of a second to "clear" the 6.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys June 21, 2010, 05:03:13 AM
The input buffer is different, making TKs in AC and in AA on emu is totally different concerning the timing. In AA you basically just need to do a half circle upward to make a TK.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Spud July 05, 2010, 12:01:18 PM
Scrub question like always: I try to run PSCX2 0.9.6 and it says to update my DirectX, but when I try to, some message about the cabinet and Cryptography Services comes up. (I checked and my Cryptographic Services are running, btw) I don't know what to do, is this something that can be fixed/changed?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Chou July 05, 2010, 08:33:29 PM
It's works fine with the older version of pcsx2 but when I get the 0.9.7 this happened. Does it have anything to do with my directX  ???
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh306/pe_vip246/cats-14.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse July 06, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
Update your DirectX, yes.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Rubyiris July 08, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
Ok guys. I was able to emulate MBAA at 60fps when I ran Vista on this machine, but when I reformatted and upgraded to 7 I can't get it to work at all.

With the most recent version, regardless of what I do, CDVD doesn't work. I've done everything correctly. It's set to Iso, and the drive is set to G (mounted drive.)

In the older version, I can't get build 1650 for the graphics plugin, and Zero causes massive lag issues, since I have a mediocre graphics card.

I get the following error, and yes, I've worked google magic, and have done searches in this forum, and in various emulation forums to no avail:

http://img121.imageshack.us/f/halpj.jpg/

Direct X and Visual Basic are fully updated, and I even went out of my way to replace missing .dlls. I've reinstalled the program, and redownloaded the program and dll files and tried again. There just isn't anything I can think to do to fix this.

Someone please help with my aspirations to have mobile melty.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse July 08, 2010, 10:20:18 PM
...Why are you using 0.9.6? 0.9.7 (r3113) came out about a month or two ago... but of course, I have a more recent compiled build.

PCSX2 0.9.7 BETA r3422 can be gotten right'chere. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20BETA%20r3422.rar)

0.9.7 has native ISO loading, so no more need to mount it on a virtual drive or anything like that. Speeds should be faster, too.

Intro movies will be flickery unless you enable the "EE Timing Hack" in gamefixes, but otherwise the game runs 100% fine.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Rubyiris July 09, 2010, 04:24:24 AM
...Why are you using 0.9.6? 0.9.7 (r3113) came out about a month or two ago... but of course, I have a more recent compiled build.

PCSX2 0.9.7 BETA r3422 can be gotten right'chere. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20BETA%20r3422.rar)

0.9.7 has native ISO loading, so no more need to mount it on a virtual drive or anything like that. Speeds should be faster, too.

Intro movies will be flickery unless you enable the "EE Timing Hack" in gamefixes, but otherwise the game runs 100% fine.

You've already covered this. I have on-board video and as such it is impossible for me to run the new build. This does not prevent me from using the previous build without a hitch in the past.

As such, I would really appreciate your help with getting GSdx 1650 to work.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Tragic August 11, 2010, 11:08:26 PM
New here so I may be repeating already covered topics but...

Whenever I play MBAA, the game seems all "shakey," plus I get those annoying lines/boxes in the characters like everyone else.

May someone grace me with some guidance on this?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dintrao August 11, 2010, 11:21:54 PM
New here so I may be repeating already covered topics but...

Whenever I play MBAA, the game seems all "shakey," plus I get those annoying lines/boxes in the characters like everyone else.

May someone grace me with some guidance on this?

I hate pcsx2, but I found pressing f9 then f5 fixed that same problem for me  :mystery:

Only downside is that you have to do it everytime you load the game.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse August 18, 2010, 02:07:50 PM
New here so I may be repeating already covered topics but...

Whenever I play MBAA, the game seems all "shakey," plus I get those annoying lines/boxes in the characters like everyone else.

May someone grace me with some guidance on this?
The shakiness is due to the game running in Interlaced mode. Hold Triangle + X as it boots and select the top option twice; this will set it into Progressive Scan (which all PC monitors are) and that will stop the shakiness.

As for the lines, Config > Video > Plugin Settings. Make sure Scaling is no higer than 4x, and make sure Texture Filtering is unchecked, or cycle through the check states - one of them filters backgrounds (which is fine) and one of them filters backgrounds + sprites (which you don't want). Alternatively, simply tick the "Native" checkbox and it should definitely work.

Dintrao: Same thing will work for you, just set it in Progressive Mode. F9 switches the renderer from Hardware (GPU based) to Software (CPU based); F5 switches between various Interlaced blending modes. Since the game has a native Progressive Scan mode, simply using that will fix the shaking, guaranteed.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: academico August 26, 2010, 08:52:47 PM
Dark pulse can i play with you some online matches or you left MBAC?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Narmo August 28, 2010, 10:46:21 PM
0.9.7 has native ISO loading, so no more need to mount it on a virtual drive or anything like that. Speeds should be faster, too.

If by "native ISO loading" you mean that you no longer need a CD plugin, then I suppose so. Grabbing Linuz's ISO plugin isn't that much of a hassle, however >.>

As for speed, I'm going to have to defend 0.9.6 here (****PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE DIFFERENT COMPUTERS HERE -- DIFFERENT CPU, GPU, ETC ETC. THOSE MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE****). For starters, I use rev 1888, along with the plugins it came pre-packaged with (GSdx, SPU2-X, etc etc). The game not only runs 60 FPS constantly, there are also no signs of slowdowns that the FPS reporter may fail to report.

I gave your compiled 0.9.7 a try (which was one from another thread about some guy wanting a command-line version.. odd), and while the FPS was reporting 60 FPS constantly, I noticed some slowdowns whenever I started getting into the usual "fast-pace" playing. The slowdowns weren't long-drawn (they were rather instantaneous for the most part), but a trained eye will notice them.

Plugin settings and such were kept the same.

If there's one fault with 0.9.6, it would be when you set the latency for the sound plugin to a lower value -- you'll hear some cracking when you press start >> go to the menu screen with all of the gametypes and options. But other than that, it gets normal fast (I'd rather hear the 1 second of cracking to get a sync'd sound).

P.S. I'm not inciting some argument here. If 0.9.7 (rev.?????) works better than 0.9.6 (rev.?????) for you, and the game runs just like how it would on a PS2, then obviously use that one. The main point of my post is to let others know that a different version & revision may be different for others.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse September 07, 2010, 07:59:07 AM
0.9.6 will always be Rev. 1888. 0.9.7 can vary, as it's still not in "final" stage.

I did compile a new build last night, for those interested in it. It's Revision 3738. (http://darkpulse.project2612.org/pcsx2/PCSX2%200.9.7%20BETA%20r3738.rar)

And yes, the LinuzAppz plugin still has some minor uses, but most of it is down to compressing the ISOs. If you're that hurting for space, it's not a bad pick, but even 1 TB drives are rather cheap now, and 2 TBs can be had for about $130-140 USD.

And yes, speeds can matter quite a bit. There's obviously less speedhacks in newer revisions. Having your hardware would help greatly in letting me determine the weak spot on your system.

Academico: I never got into MBAC netplay. Even if we did, I'm in America, you're in Argentina. The ping would be fairly bad. :P
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Narmo September 08, 2010, 11:43:00 PM
And yes, the LinuzAppz plugin still has some minor uses, but most of it is down to compressing the ISOs. If you're that hurting for space, it's not a bad pick, but even 1 TB drives are rather cheap now, and 2 TBs can be had for about $130-140 USD.

And yes, speeds can matter quite a bit. There's obviously less speedhacks in newer revisions. Having your hardware would help greatly in letting me determine the weak spot on your system.

You misunderstood me about Linuz's ISO plugin. In fact, what I said before was wrong anyways: I was under the impression that that plugin was needed in order to load up an .ISO. Of course I only thought so because I kept using the "Run CD/DVD" option -- doing so w/ cdvdnull would just boot up the BIOs, whereas Linuz would pop up a prompt.  :P

**Shameless note: picked up a 2TB drive at slickdeals for ~$95 a little over a week ago, so I'm okay with space  ;D

As for the whole computer specs dilemma, I was a bit unclear on that: I'm not necessarily talking about the "model", but rather the "make". For instance, an Nvidia card vs. an equally-specced ATi card: for some games, the Nvidia one is better, and vice versa (primarily do to whatever game being made w/ whatever vendor in mind). Of course, you can always just grab a beefier version of whatever to compensate for the lack of optimization (kind of like how FFXIV, during its Alpha stages, required a beefier setup than whatever setup is recommended now -- optimization is pretty cool  :P)

As for 0.9.6, 0.9.7, and the issue of speedhacks: I don't have any speedhacks enabled on 0.9.6 (if there are hidden hacks in 0.9.6 that 0.9.7 doesn't have for a more "correct" emulation, then that's different), nor did I have any enabled when I used 0.9.7. At the time I compared both, I merely drew the conclusion that 0.9.6 was more optimized than 0.9.7 for MBAA -- both versions playing the same game don't even come close to maxing out my CPU. It's kind of like how most people rollback to different version of an emulator due to the author(s) breaking some games but fixing others due to the coding being more supportive to the latter (unintentional? intentional? no idea). I remember an author for a Dreamcast emulator stating that he borked one of his later revisions, and suggested to rollback to a previous one due to the latter being more compatible (and faster) with the majority of the games (funnily enough, some games worked better than the borked version than on the previous)

As for the sound crack that I had, that only happened because I set the latency way too low  :P I only started caring about the problem after I brought it up.

And that's about it from me for this topic. Again, I only brought up 0.9.6 due to that little (by "little", I mean very little -- it's noticeable, but it affecting your gameplay would be a shameless excuse) lag I noticed in 0.9.7. I don't have the math to back it up, but I did have two MBAA buds to verify whether or not my eyes were playing tricks on me. 

Apologies for the misinfo and for any miscommunication I had in my former post. 




: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Prototype909 September 12, 2010, 07:51:53 AM
All right guys, I've just encountered this problem. My pcsx2 seems to be running on a policy of "Diminishing returns"

First 3 times I play - 100% FPS, everything runs at perfect speed

Next time - 70-80% FPS, noticeable slowdown

Next time - 50-60% FPS, what the ****


I mean...how is that even possible? Anyone have any clues as to what is going on and why it's happening?

PC specs -

Intel(R) Core (TM) i7 CPU
CPU Speed - 2.66 Ghz
6 GB RAM


: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys September 12, 2010, 09:38:07 AM
This happened earlier to me, too. Until I found out that of course it stores temporary data on your system drive. If it's full, it gets slower. The other thing is the virtual drive. Set it to something like 4GB and you shouldn't have problems.

This is hypothetical.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Prototype909 September 12, 2010, 12:16:13 PM
So how would I go about doing this? And I mean...I have 6GB of RAM is this one program really filling that up so fast?


EDIT - Yeah, that's not the problem. My Virtual Memory is also 6000+MB
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Tokoyakiboy September 17, 2010, 07:51:14 AM
i just used PS2 PAL to NTSC Patcher with Y-FIX.. I managed to run the game with my own ps2 console..however every time i play it using my pc emulator, it stuck on booting screen..anyone has the solution for this?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/jun/Untitled-4.jpg)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse September 28, 2010, 09:05:20 AM
...If you're doing it on an emulator, you don't need to run such fixes. The emulator will handle any region natively just fine.

On console, it may be a concern.

There's also the fact that homebrew development - such as this - is a lot more WIP than commercial game stuff since homebrew stuff tends to exploit little tricks that the games never touch.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Light November 04, 2010, 05:39:08 PM
You know I have a feeling at some point this question has been asked...maybe even in this very thread. :mystery:

Anyway, I just want to know how cheap of a PC can one build/buy to get MBAA to run smoothly, constant 60 FPS even in 2 player mode? Maybe even list the specs for this coveted "budget nugget"?

Also for anyone wondering, yeah, I got a PS2 and play MBAA on it. However if I ever feel sadistic I kinda want to play "Suggoi! Arcana Heart 2", but I'm not sadistic enough to play on PS2. :blah:

I built my new PC under $500. I reused my gfx though.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse November 05, 2010, 07:03:29 AM
You know I have a feeling at some point this question has been asked...maybe even in this very thread. :mystery:

Anyway, I just want to know how cheap of a PC can one build/buy to get MBAA to run smoothly, constant 60 FPS even in 2 player mode? Maybe even list the specs for this coveted "budget nugget"?

Also for anyone wondering, yeah, I got a PS2 and play MBAA on it. However if I ever feel sadistic I kinda want to play "Suggoi! Arcana Heart 2", but I'm not sadistic enough to play on PS2. :blah:
Basically, for a minimum, I would say you'd want either a Core 2 Duo or, if you must get a AMD (I wouldn't recommend it due to instruction set stuff - more on that in a second) get a Phenom II.

The AMD CPU will be cheaper; however, this comes at a cost of Instruction Sets. To avoid getting too technical/lingo-y here, basically, later versions of instruction sets mean that it can do more stuff in less CPU cycles. All current AMD offerings only SSE2 fully. AMD offers SSE3 and SSE4a, but PCSX2 does not use those instruction sets - it does use SSSE3 (Note the extra S) and SSE4.1 (AMD's SSE4a is basically just two of those instructions implemented) which, due to petty squabbling, only Intel supports and not AMD. Each successive instruction set can give a 5-10% speed boost, so you're looking at 10-20% more speed if you pick a Core 2 over a Phenom II - that's significant.

PCSX2 does not take advantage of quadcores yet (except in Software Rendering mode, although that's not recommended), and it would need a significant rewrite to do so. Thus, a faster dualcore would be better than a slower quadcore.

Personally, I have a Core 2 Duo E8400, which is a stock speed of 3.0 GHz. Your mileage may vary, but I have it overclocked to 3.4 GHz on the stock cooler. I know a friend who has a weaker Core 2 Duo (I forget the exact model) but she said she got a full 60 FPS as well. I'd recommend at least a Core 2 Duo E7/E8xxx line or Core 2 Quad Q8XXX/Q9XXX. These are the "Penryn" models, which are the ones that support SSE4.1. Older Core 2 Duos/Quads will only support up to SSSE3. Of course, any of the Core "i" series (i3, i5, i7) will also support SSE4.1 (and 4.2, but PCSX2 doesn't use that) so those will work as well. The Core 2s by now are probably around $100-150 USD - the Core i-series CPUs will probably be a bit more, but are FAR more powerful than the Core 2s.

Videocard? Nothing special is needed, but you should get a "real" videocard and not depend on onboard video - while you can have PCSX2 do rendering entirely through the CPU (Software Rendering) not many games will play fullspeed if you do (Melty is one of the few exceptions - it really doesn't use much of the PS2's power.) I'd say it should have at least 128 MB of VRAM, preferably 256, and be capable of supporting DirectX 10 or DirectX 11. The renderers are *MUCH* better on DX10/DX11 as opposed to DX9, but obviously, for DX10 you'll need a DX10-class card and be running Vista, and for DX11 you'll need a DX11-class card and Windows 7. Basically, any card released within the last 3 years (GeForce 8 or so) should be DirectX 10 capable, and anything in the last 12-18 months or so should do DirectX 11. The difference between DX10 and DX11 right now is extremely minor for PCSX2, so you can save a few bucks here if you'd like, though if you plan to do PC gaming, it wouldn't hurt to future-proof and get a DX11-class card.

If you're still on XP, you should really consider getting Windows 7 and at least a DX10-class card. There are lots of glitches and artifacts that are in DX9 mode that simply do not occur on DX10/DX11.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dark Pulse November 06, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
Wow Dark Pulse saves the day yet again.

Thanks, now I'll just stash that reply away and hopefully find it coming [hologram] summer.  :psyduck:
I'm handy with emulation, that's all. I've been part of that scene for nearly a decade, so I'm pretty pro at knowing my shit there. :P
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Shiawase December 24, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
Can someone give me a hand? I tried to get this to work but I got this error (at least, I'm assuming it's an error because I can't get progess)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4528/ps2error.png
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: fiendmaw December 25, 2010, 01:41:27 AM
I think that is what you get when the emulator doesnt detect your virtual cd image.Check if the emulator is looking for the image where it actually is...
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: CrimsonMoonMist December 25, 2010, 05:15:08 AM
I believe it's not detecting your ISO as a ps2 disc.
You're using the in-built ISO loader, right?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Dr.Faust December 29, 2010, 05:52:41 AM
how do i dumb the bios file form my ps2 or is it agenst forum rules to talk about that kind of stuff
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: djenkov April 17, 2011, 12:55:01 PM
Hm,I have a question about gsdx.Its not showing directx 11.
I'm on windows 7 my directx is updated,today I updated my windows just in case and now I'm on sp1.
video card:radeon hd 5670
processor:athlon II x3 445 3,10 Ghz
So the question is:Is there any way to fix that?

Oh and MB is running perfectly.I really don't have problems with the emulation of the game and I know that there wont be any visible difference if I emulate it on 11 but its just.......bugging me.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr July 16, 2011, 06:33:34 AM
Was just at a store where i negotiated to buy a laptop from them, if i could first confirm that MBAA runs flawlessly on PCSX2 on it.
Already works perfectly on my desktop, so i know it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Need it if I'm gonna bring the game to tournaments and casuals. Norway's biggest fighting game event is coming up and I'm gonna have fun with Melty while waiting for the boring games to end.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Komidol July 16, 2011, 06:36:52 AM
Just so you know, despite the smoothness of the emulation it will not be the same as running the program on your PS2.  The input buffer will be different, and it is really NOT the same game at all.  I wouldn't buy a computer to play MBAA when you could just get it for much cheaper and haul out that PS2 and TV.  That's what I've always done.  It's a hassle, but it's what it takes to start and keep a good small scene running.  Small sacrifices. 
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr July 16, 2011, 07:15:30 AM
I don't have a car and i don't plan on getting one, so carrying a TV around with me just isn't a possibility.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Komidol July 16, 2011, 07:56:45 AM
PUSH YOUR LIMITS!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: fiendmaw July 16, 2011, 10:02:50 AM
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: reikinou July 24, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
Im sorry for such a dumb question, but how do you use the memory cards and controllers. I have memory cards and my ps3 controllers but im not sure if its working or not.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr July 24, 2011, 06:59:21 PM
The emulator program has it's own "memory card", this is either stored in the main folder, or some other place (like my documents). don't think too much about this one, just save your game when you feel like it, it works.

To use your PS3 controller you need to install the SIXAXIS driver. Use google to find the appropriate version for your OS.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: reikinou July 24, 2011, 07:12:26 PM
Alright but im stuck at the save/load screen and i don't think its because my game is freezing.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: reikinou July 24, 2011, 07:39:10 PM
i got it working now.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr July 30, 2011, 07:05:36 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?ef0ja2t266cy44h

Here's a memory card file with everything unlocked. Good to have if you don't wanna do the Osiris bullshit to unlock stuff.
Default location is: My Documents>PCSX2>memcards
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: anon/merem August 22, 2011, 04:59:34 PM
With these emulators, is it necessary to use a controller or can you use "n" "m" "," like in MBAC? I want to know before I start downloading stuff and messing with my PS2 disk.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr August 22, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
Keyboard works fine.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Roy-Kr October 03, 2011, 01:25:57 AM
I dunno if you Americans care, but MBAA has netplay now and here's how:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ovpflibbi3vzim1
Download this version of PCSX2, Load the MBAA ISO into it, then on the PCSX2 menu go to System>Boot netplay.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu October 03, 2011, 12:32:59 PM
I dunno if you Americans care, but MBAA has netplay now and here's how:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ovpflibbi3vzim1
Download this version of PCSX2, Load the MBAA ISO into it, then on the PCSX2 menu go to System>Boot netplay.
Roy, you can have my wife any time you want.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys October 03, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
WHAT




WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

Blackscreen netplay. It's so epic.


Srsly, how does it work.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu October 03, 2011, 01:40:34 PM
ONLINE PRACTICE MODE MADNESS HERE WE GO!!

Every brazilian will know their combos now :fap: This is going to be a really good warm up for MBAACC 1.07!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: abitofBaileys October 03, 2011, 02:07:34 PM
Oh god it works.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Cristu October 03, 2011, 03:41:29 PM
Some stuff I noticed today:

* If one presses tab (speed limiter off/on) it will desync. (I removed my tab key just in case);
* The game may be slow in the beggining, but it's only in the start (maybe it has something to do with one of the players no focusing the game window)

To host:
Port 7500;
Your own IP: http://www.whatismyip.com/;
Mark the hoster box;
Port 7500.

To connect:
Port 7500;
IP of who is hosting
Do not mark the hoster box;
Port 7500.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Parapets October 03, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
All builds of the online emulator are available in this folder: http://www.mediafire.com/?frsikk6uuwurd
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Espard October 03, 2011, 09:19:12 PM
Is there any optimal settings for netplay?  I don't mind if graphics looks like crap... as long as it doesn't lag too badly :O.  I tried it with a friend and he's running laptop... lag was okay, something I can live with until 1.07 comes out but yeah... or else I'll just need to commute to my friends house again....
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: BurstOfAnger October 04, 2011, 02:25:06 AM
For those who could get it to work, how much latency were you facing? When I tried it, I got a black screen for the longest time and my tester and I deduced that this netplay wasn't suitable for high latency... or is it?

Would playing this at 30-40ms latency be possible?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: abitofBaileys October 04, 2011, 02:39:28 AM
Actually, it slows down to 4fps at the beginning until someone connects.
The black screen thingy is the black screen which appears before the MBAA memory save load menu appears when you boot the game up.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: BurstOfAnger October 04, 2011, 02:44:12 AM
Yeah, mine slowed down to a stagnant 4fps too. Seems like we were too impatient. Trying again now.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC
: Shion October 04, 2011, 02:53:59 AM
For those who could get it to work, how much latency were you facing? When I tried it, I got a black screen for the longest time and my tester and I deduced that this netplay wasn't suitable for high latency... or is it?

Would playing this at 30-40ms latency be possible?

That would give you 2 (maybe even 1?) delay, which is very playable. 4 delay and above are really bad, but honestly, this PS2 netplay is a lot better than I'd imagined.
Also, if you're hosting, someone has to connect within 1-2 mins or it won't work.
Also, after every session (waiting for someone to connect, playing together, or getting an error), restart the emulator completely. It's still a work in progress thing.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: BurstOfAnger October 04, 2011, 03:02:28 AM
Thanks for the reply. Right now, we are both at the "memory card loaded" page. But neither of our button presses did anything.

Another question, is IRC or Hamachi required? Because it seems that direct IP doesn't work so well right now...
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Shion October 04, 2011, 03:30:13 AM
IRC is just a chat client, so no. Hamachi isn't required either, but the one hosting needs to have his port opened/forwarded (just like with MBAC). I suppose you could use Hamachi and host through there, but I don't really know how Hamachi works so I can't tell you.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: BurstOfAnger October 04, 2011, 04:01:25 AM
Well, I've tested with Hamachi and it works like a charm. Almost. Is there any way to set the delay?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Shion October 04, 2011, 04:07:39 AM
Well, I've tested with Hamachi and it works like a charm. Almost. Is there any way to set the delay?

Not in the current build, no. The guy is still working on it.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: LivingShadow October 04, 2011, 05:36:57 AM
Wow, just noticed the netplay. I have to get on this.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: ehrik October 04, 2011, 05:45:56 AM
:|

edit: Is this part of official pcsx2 or did someone just hack it on
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: abitofBaileys October 04, 2011, 06:01:36 AM
Hamachi in this case works like mizuumi. It provides a client that sends the data from and to both participants. Only that Hamachi gives the security and usability by setting a custom pseudo-IP.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Mistwraith October 04, 2011, 03:29:24 PM
Currently been trying with my friends who are all close to each other. Currently tried at delay 1, 2 and 3.

Delay 1 has some really small delay for the player who is joining, host side is totally smooth.

Delay 2 some minor delays for both players but overall still good, precision combos would be hard to connect.

Delay 3 a slight increase in delay for both players but nothing too game breaking.

My view overall is that this implementation is excellent !  :prinny:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Irysa October 04, 2011, 10:50:52 PM
I'd have to disagree.

The consistency of the playability of the game seems a bit random sometimes. d3 seems to mean anything from like d3 to d6 depending on the connection. Packet loss is also handled badly, after the typical lag slowdown you then get frameskip "catch up", which just screws people over even more.

1 and 2 seem alright though, but there is emulator lag to consider. All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.


edit: Is this part of official pcsx2 or did someone just hack it on

its not official
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Komidol October 04, 2011, 10:55:21 PM
1 and 2 seem alright though, but there is emulator lag to consider. All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.


I highly doubt that.  As in, all of my doubt. 
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Irysa October 04, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Then you're probably the most faithful(delusional?) fanboy here and I can only hope they prove me wrong.  :nyoro:
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: BurstOfAnger October 05, 2011, 02:11:52 AM
Currently been trying with my friends who are all close to each other. Currently tried at delay 1, 2 and 3.

Delay 1 has some really small delay for the player who is joining, host side is totally smooth.

Delay 2 some minor delays for both players but overall still good, precision combos would be hard to connect.

Delay 3 a slight increase in delay for both players but nothing too game breaking.

My view overall is that this implementation is excellent !  :prinny:

How did you set the delay?

All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.

Aw come on, you haven't seen French Bread work on any netplay at all, there's no reason to assume they'll eff it up.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Irysa October 05, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Mistwraith October 05, 2011, 02:11:16 PM
The delay is set automatically, you will see it in the pcsx2 console box when someone connects or when you connect to someone else's game.

One problem is that sometimes the game desyncs and you don't get any notification of it at all. I was on skype with my friend and trying to solve the desync problem, have no idea what causes it.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Espard October 05, 2011, 06:09:38 PM
Is there a way you can make the emulator read the memory card files?  :slowpoke: Or are SAkiha players out of luck D; (as well as troll characters  :laffo:)
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Komidol October 05, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.

I said it sounded like a similar system based on what he told me.  Gleam of Force was never mentioned as a comparison in the conversation.

Also GoF Netplay was really good.  Netplay connections from 500 miles went smooth, and I was even on a playable connection with the Japanese sometimes (from East Coast America).  Frenchbread is no small doujin developer, they are one of the longest outstanding doujin developers in existence.  I don't think Emu play which allows me to practically mash out of string-tight pressure and doesn't properly process active/recovery frames with no respect to the game buffer (gattling gun combos with no timing) PLUS the fact that's it's netplay with netplay delay that apparently Desyncs without warning can come anywhere close to what a well-funded FrenchBread could do.   

No, no, no, and a million times no. 
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: ehrik October 05, 2011, 07:49:33 PM
nothing can be as bad as this ass emulator netplay omg
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Dipstick October 05, 2011, 08:23:28 PM
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.
The developers and publishers of these AAA-budget fighters think that the quality of the online play matters little in regards to how well the game sells, and management allocates resources to other areas?

There's a reason why the best-functioning online code for fighting games have been, to date, independently produced.  I actually think the genre having bad online functionality holds the entire genre of games back. Granted, things are stacked against it -- it's much harder to mask latency in a fighting game than... well, any other type of game, really, and the way XBL/PSN handle matchmaking right now is ill-suited to fighting games.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: fiendmaw October 05, 2011, 11:00:33 PM
I dont know what you guys were doing,but when I play emulator netplay,its pretty much mbcaster +0.5 frame delay.Desyncs are very rare,and this magical impossible-to-play delay is nowhere to be seen.Thats ofcoure,at d2 and d3,I havent played d4,but I dont even play d4 with caster so yeah...
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Shion October 06, 2011, 01:31:01 AM
I think everyone complaining about how ass the emulation is should give it a second look. PS2 emulation has come a long way since 2 years ago when MBAA first hit the console market (and so have our computers). While execution is indeed slightly harder due to the added ~1 frame of input delay, I don't believe there's a bug with active/recovery frames.

The netplay only randomly desynchs if ping is unstable. I've played over 50 match sessions at 2 delay without issues.
That said, I believe French Bread will be able to write Caster-quality netplay. It's not that hard, and these guys don't have to hack their own game to implement it. I'm more worried about it being unavailable in the west. Inb4 their master auth server blocks all non-JP connections.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Roy-Kr October 06, 2011, 05:20:32 AM
I personally hate playing AA on the emulator. I don't know if it's the emulator or the game itself, but inputs come out wrong, sounds are muffled and get some sort of weird reverb effect, graphics look horrid with scan lines everywhere, plus a lot of other stuff.

I'm sticking with Act Cadenza.
Is there a way you can make the emulator read the memory card files?  :slowpoke: Or are SAkiha players out of luck D; (as well as troll characters  :laffo:)
Works fine, both players just need to have the exact same memory card.

Here's one you can use. Everything is unlocked and auto-save is disabled so that no changes will be made to the memory card.
http://www.mediafire.com/?lk6r4n353v5o894
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Komidol October 06, 2011, 05:23:13 AM
Inb4 their master auth server blocks all non-JP connections.

I doubt Manabe would of taken any time to talk to me and CL if they wanted to do this. 
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Funky-kun October 06, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
I personally hate playing AA on the emulator. I don't know if it's the emulator or the game itself, but inputs come out wrong, sounds are muffled and get some sort of weird reverb effect, graphics look horrid with scan lines everywhere, plus a lot of other stuff.

I smell improper configuration of the emulator. While I have not played on PS2, all inputs I attempt seem possible in the emulator in match scenarios. (IAD, 1-2-3 frame links, tk227, tk236) Scanlines can be removed by booting the game in progressive mode. Sound has some delay with me and tearing occurs after ~1 hour of play, but this is not integral to gameplay  IMO.

Kinda strange, but playing in native resolution (from the graphics plugin settings) introduces delay over using D3D internal res 1024x1024 with 4x scaling. Also, the latter looks sharper, while the native resolution introduces some kind of blur on the sprites. I can not distinguish the latter from non-emulated input, but it is heavy on the graphics card - I get 60 fps constant with 9800gx2, but 525M and 8800 can't get playable rates.

P.S. I'm using 0.9.6, and no, I won't change it unless it starts giving me problems, but chances are CC will come before that.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Alchemist of Atlas October 07, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
._.

I can't even open pcsx2o. <.< Something with the MSCVR100.dll error with the entry point not being found. <_<

Oh, well, I think I'll have to wait 2 more months.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: BurstOfAnger October 07, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
._.

I can't even open pcsx2o. <.< Something with the MSCVR100.dll error with the entry point not being found. <_<

Oh, well, I think I'll have to wait 2 more months.

Did you install the original PCSX2?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: [svx] October 07, 2011, 06:56:39 PM
MSCVR100.dll error
microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=5555

Played 1 delay mbaa netplay today and I'd say that 1 delay mbac netplay is much better
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Mistwraith October 07, 2011, 08:02:06 PM
I been doing all the slightly more complicated combos on netplay and it is still working.

Though it is on delay 1, not too sure about 2 delay onwards.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Cristu October 07, 2011, 08:08:45 PM
I don't think you have to worry about the delay. It looks there no actual delay in this netplay. When the connection does't do, instead of high delay or freezes the FPS will be drop, so you just can't play. Both player can run the game 500% offline, but if the connection doesnt do, the FPS will drop. In other words, if you can play in 60 fps, the delay doesn't matter...

Other useful info is: when the FPS stays in 4, the connection failed. Close everything and try again. Opening ports or using hamachi are may be required some times if you use a router. When the FPS stays in 9, there's a memory card conflict. Just remove the file inside the memorycard folder (ask your opponent to remove too).
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Alchemist of Atlas October 07, 2011, 10:17:03 PM
Did you install the original PCSX2?

Yeah, I have.

Shouldn't I have installed the original?

Seems I can at least open it, I have no person to try the netplay yet. <.<;
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: WanteD October 09, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
Played for hours with kusa and other friends who live in mexico while I'm in cali, delay 3 no slow down or frame skips just the regular online delay.
Will test with some friends in cali to see what lower delays feel like.
So far i think that as long as both players have good pc's and good net it's quite playable.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Irysa October 09, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
EDIT: New build up guys

http://www.mediafire.com/?g134p7p5r8kbm8p

[16:49:35] <sat0ri> Changes:
[16:49:37] <sat0ri> 1. Client downloads server's memory card data to stay in sync. When the session ends, saved games persist only on server's side;
[16:49:37] <sat0ri> 2. Frameskipping after slowdown due to packet loss should be fixed;
[16:49:37] <sat0ri> 3. Some stability issues addressed

Everyone has to update to this one if you want to get the benefit of the save data stuff.

EDIT: lmao this default memcard is on fucking arcade balance, don't forget to change that shit before u play or practice anything.

I said it sounded like a similar system based on what he told me.  Gleam of Force was never mentioned as a comparison in the conversation.
Well, thats what I remember reading, sorry to misquote you.
Also GoF Netplay was really good.  Netplay connections from 500 miles went smooth, and I was even on a playable connection with the Japanese sometimes (from East Coast America).  Frenchbread is no small doujin developer, they are one of the longest outstanding doujin developers in existence.
I think you are grossly over exaggerating the quality of GoF netplay because it was passable enough to mess around but not some shining pedestal of awesomeness (although I never really got into that game anyway so if you say so...). Besides, even Twilight Frontier, arguably an even larger doujin developer hasn't had the greatest success with their netplay either, and they too had caster implemented into their game before.
I don't think Emu play which allows me to practically mash out of string-tight pressure and doesn't properly process active/recovery frames with no respect to the game buffer (gattling gun combos with no timing) PLUS the fact that's it's netplay with netplay delay that apparently Desyncs without warning can come anywhere close to what a well-funded FrenchBread could do.   
That doesn't really happen. This thing has lag, yes, but its not as extreme/fucked up as you're claiming it is. Not that I'm advocating this netplay as a super flawless brilliant experience, its a mixed bag but hell, its MBAA netplay, its functional, and problems tend to be more about individual computers and connections than the program itself in my experience. If you want to play as serious as a offline tourney, sure, its not going to work out, but for casuals/people having fun/learning some new characters, it's enjoyable compared to playing MBAC again (hell, I've played over 300 games on this thing or more already)

The developers and publishers of these AAA-budget fighters think that the quality of the online play matters little in regards to how well the game sells, and management allocates resources to other areas?

There's a reason why the best-functioning online code for fighting games have been, to date, independently produced.  I actually think the genre having bad online functionality holds the entire genre of games back. Granted, things are stacked against it -- it's much harder to mask latency in a fighting game than... well, any other type of game, really, and the way XBL/PSN handle matchmaking right now is ill-suited to fighting games.
You do have a point, but honestly when the game is basically being bundled as a bonus with an anime you have to admit it makes you wonder if they even have the chance to really put the effort in. As far as a port goes its not like theres any significant work from moving it off whats basically windows xp on Ringwide.

It looks there no actual delay in this netplay.

 :psyduck:

what
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Krusiv October 24, 2011, 06:39:20 PM
The config screen(s) for the new version of PCSX2 are way different than the ones in the guide. Can someone link me to an older version of PCSX2 with the proper config set up?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Roy-Kr October 25, 2011, 02:22:43 PM
The new version works with default settings, so just get that.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Krusiv October 25, 2011, 03:24:27 PM
I tried it with the newer version + default settings but every time I got to the Memory Card part and couldn't select Yes or No. It's probably something with my pad :/
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Roy-Kr October 26, 2011, 11:54:13 AM
That stuff comes up after a short while when there are no incoming connections, i believe. Could it be that the hosts port isn't open?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Krusiv October 26, 2011, 05:14:24 PM
Hmm? I haven't started with the netplay yet. I was talking about as soon as you load up the game for the first time it asks if you want to create a save file for it (or something like that). I can press buttons to get to that point but it's like as soon as I get there my pad stops working.

Hopefully that makes sense.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Kanarin October 26, 2011, 05:23:52 PM
it seems I'm also getting stuck at the memory screen. I tried by removing memory card and all but it still didn't work. Would we have better chance of connection if we used Hamachi to connect to one another?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Mistwraith October 31, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
I believe Hamachi helps a bit, my friend who has problems with another friend while using direction connection switched over to hamachi and he doesn't have any problems now at all.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Shion November 05, 2011, 06:51:30 AM
You only "need" Hamachi if neither of you have their port forwarded (and thus can't host). It kinda works like relay did for MBAC. Anyway, don't use Hamachi, just take 5 minutes to learn how to forward your port.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Erionn November 11, 2011, 02:20:38 AM
Anyone else having FPS issues on Netplay? Playing with a friend from Sweden(I'm in US) we had a very stable connection, although a constant 49 FPS.

I tried with another friend much closer, and we had a very unstable FPS that would spike up to 60 and down to 30 very randomly.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: [svx] November 11, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
Playing with a friend from Sweden(I'm in US) we had a very stable connection
stable connection is when you play with your friend who sits next to you... or at least when you live in the same city\state and both have decent internet.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: wizard626 November 13, 2011, 04:34:56 AM
I just got everything up and running but I'm having trouble with the controls. Does anyone else have problems with stiff controls? Also what's the simplest way to get a PS3 controller running?
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: sat0ri November 15, 2011, 08:45:49 AM
Hi everyone! I've been busy with this netplay thing for quite some time and I think it's ready now. I know an emulator is not the best netplay option, but this project was just for fun anyway.
If anyone's interested, here (http://www.mediafire.com/?762wyrkr9pzf46j)'s the latest version.
NOTE: To avoid desyncs do not change any settings except for the controller plugin configuration. It's not like it will definitely desync if you change anything, but the possibility escalates. :teach:

I don't know what more to say. If you have any questions, ask away!

EDIT: link's updated
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: abitofBaileys November 16, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Thank you, good work! =D

Or not lol

Actually, I'm having lots of problems with the new release, it immediately closes the program randomly, even when playing. This happened to me and fiendmaw.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Cristu November 16, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
Here in Brazil we already had our first online tournament. There were no problems at all, and was pretty fun.

Thank you a lot Sat0ri for making it possible. Hope you keep improving it. It's getting good.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Rokunaya November 16, 2011, 03:10:28 PM
Here in Brazil we already had our first online tournament.

I think it's time for another Melty World Tournament!!!
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Cristu November 16, 2011, 05:07:38 PM
Here in Brazil we already had our first online tournament.
I think it's time for another Melty World Tournament!!!

Haha! Sucessful troll is sucessful xD. The next one will be offline!
Btw I really like your events Roku. Keep up the seriousness in your events. Gdlk stuff.

Btw (2) are you guys being able to play with all characters open? I wasnt.. And I think the file is the same, since it came with the built. But yesterday a dude sent me his memorycard file and it worked out in the second try.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Exciel November 16, 2011, 11:11:05 PM
I like how MBAA is the first game people start testing after a PS2 emulator netplay is created.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: sat0ri November 17, 2011, 03:31:22 AM
Actually, I'm having lots of problems with the new release, it immediately closes the program randomly, even when playing. This happened to me and fiendmaw.
Ok, I'll contact you or fiendmaw on IRC.

Btw (2) are you guys being able to play with all characters open? I wasnt.. And I think the file is the same, since it came with the built. But yesterday a dude sent me his memorycard file and it worked out in the second try.
And you too (you visit IRC, right?)

I like how MBAA is the first game people start testing after a PS2 emulator netplay is created.
'Cause MB is where it's at 8-)
That and I haven't announced this project on general emulation forums yet.
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: Rokunaya November 17, 2011, 07:42:26 AM
On a related note I'm trying to netplay Tales of the Abyss with this and we desync fairly often; going to test this again later with the same settings but i'll see how it goes from there
: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: yarrmateys November 18, 2011, 05:05:59 AM
just wanted to let you guys (at least those who don't know it yet) know about this thing.

http://buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/

it's a site with automatically pre-compiled pcsx2 builds, so you don't need to compile anything, since everything's being done by the guy's server anytime a new svn commit is done.

if anything, it can be used to update the plugins since they get constantly improved.

it also has a psp emulator builds in another subfolder for those who care.

: Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
: c-nero 5[c] January 01, 2012, 05:49:27 AM
NO NETPLAY