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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #275 on: October 04, 2011, 05:36:57 AM »
Wow, just noticed the netplay. I have to get on this.

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #276 on: October 04, 2011, 05:45:56 AM »
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edit: Is this part of official pcsx2 or did someone just hack it on
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #277 on: October 04, 2011, 06:01:36 AM »
Hamachi in this case works like mizuumi. It provides a client that sends the data from and to both participants. Only that Hamachi gives the security and usability by setting a custom pseudo-IP.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #278 on: October 04, 2011, 03:29:24 PM »
Currently been trying with my friends who are all close to each other. Currently tried at delay 1, 2 and 3.

Delay 1 has some really small delay for the player who is joining, host side is totally smooth.

Delay 2 some minor delays for both players but overall still good, precision combos would be hard to connect.

Delay 3 a slight increase in delay for both players but nothing too game breaking.

My view overall is that this implementation is excellent !  :prinny:

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #279 on: October 04, 2011, 10:50:52 PM »
I'd have to disagree.

The consistency of the playability of the game seems a bit random sometimes. d3 seems to mean anything from like d3 to d6 depending on the connection. Packet loss is also handled badly, after the typical lag slowdown you then get frameskip "catch up", which just screws people over even more.

1 and 2 seem alright though, but there is emulator lag to consider. All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.


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edit: Is this part of official pcsx2 or did someone just hack it on

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #280 on: October 04, 2011, 10:55:21 PM »
1 and 2 seem alright though, but there is emulator lag to consider. All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.


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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #281 on: October 04, 2011, 11:02:00 PM »
Then you're probably the most faithful(delusional?) fanboy here and I can only hope they prove me wrong.  :nyoro:
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #282 on: October 05, 2011, 02:11:52 AM »
Currently been trying with my friends who are all close to each other. Currently tried at delay 1, 2 and 3.

Delay 1 has some really small delay for the player who is joining, host side is totally smooth.

Delay 2 some minor delays for both players but overall still good, precision combos would be hard to connect.

Delay 3 a slight increase in delay for both players but nothing too game breaking.

My view overall is that this implementation is excellent !  :prinny:

How did you set the delay?

All things considered though it's better than anything French Bread is ever gonna do anyway, and it can only get better since satori still wants to work on it.

Aw come on, you haven't seen French Bread work on any netplay at all, there's no reason to assume they'll eff it up.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #283 on: October 05, 2011, 11:12:08 AM »
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #284 on: October 05, 2011, 02:11:16 PM »
The delay is set automatically, you will see it in the pcsx2 console box when someone connects or when you connect to someone else's game.

One problem is that sometimes the game desyncs and you don't get any notification of it at all. I was on skype with my friend and trying to solve the desync problem, have no idea what causes it.

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #285 on: October 05, 2011, 06:09:38 PM »
Is there a way you can make the emulator read the memory card files?  :slowpoke: Or are SAkiha players out of luck D; (as well as troll characters  :laffo:)

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #286 on: October 05, 2011, 06:54:16 PM »
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.

I said it sounded like a similar system based on what he told me.  Gleam of Force was never mentioned as a comparison in the conversation.

Also GoF Netplay was really good.  Netplay connections from 500 miles went smooth, and I was even on a playable connection with the Japanese sometimes (from East Coast America).  Frenchbread is no small doujin developer, they are one of the longest outstanding doujin developers in existence.  I don't think Emu play which allows me to practically mash out of string-tight pressure and doesn't properly process active/recovery frames with no respect to the game buffer (gattling gun combos with no timing) PLUS the fact that's it's netplay with netplay delay that apparently Desyncs without warning can come anywhere close to what a well-funded FrenchBread could do.   

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #287 on: October 05, 2011, 07:49:33 PM »
nothing can be as bad as this ass emulator netplay omg
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #288 on: October 05, 2011, 08:23:28 PM »
Yes there is lol, if big companies TRYING to market to the west can't make decent netplay what chance does a small ex doujin developer have anyway? Gleam of Force netplay was also pretty rubbish, and Komidol talked about them reusing the netcode.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #289 on: October 05, 2011, 11:00:33 PM »
I dont know what you guys were doing,but when I play emulator netplay,its pretty much mbcaster +0.5 frame delay.Desyncs are very rare,and this magical impossible-to-play delay is nowhere to be seen.Thats ofcoure,at d2 and d3,I havent played d4,but I dont even play d4 with caster so yeah...
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #290 on: October 06, 2011, 01:31:01 AM »
I think everyone complaining about how ass the emulation is should give it a second look. PS2 emulation has come a long way since 2 years ago when MBAA first hit the console market (and so have our computers). While execution is indeed slightly harder due to the added ~1 frame of input delay, I don't believe there's a bug with active/recovery frames.

The netplay only randomly desynchs if ping is unstable. I've played over 50 match sessions at 2 delay without issues.
That said, I believe French Bread will be able to write Caster-quality netplay. It's not that hard, and these guys don't have to hack their own game to implement it. I'm more worried about it being unavailable in the west. Inb4 their master auth server blocks all non-JP connections.

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #291 on: October 06, 2011, 05:20:32 AM »
I personally hate playing AA on the emulator. I don't know if it's the emulator or the game itself, but inputs come out wrong, sounds are muffled and get some sort of weird reverb effect, graphics look horrid with scan lines everywhere, plus a lot of other stuff.

I'm sticking with Act Cadenza.
Is there a way you can make the emulator read the memory card files?  :slowpoke: Or are SAkiha players out of luck D; (as well as troll characters  :laffo:)
Works fine, both players just need to have the exact same memory card.

Here's one you can use. Everything is unlocked and auto-save is disabled so that no changes will be made to the memory card.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #292 on: October 06, 2011, 05:23:13 AM »
Inb4 their master auth server blocks all non-JP connections.

I doubt Manabe would of taken any time to talk to me and CL if they wanted to do this. 
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #293 on: October 06, 2011, 11:22:39 AM »
I personally hate playing AA on the emulator. I don't know if it's the emulator or the game itself, but inputs come out wrong, sounds are muffled and get some sort of weird reverb effect, graphics look horrid with scan lines everywhere, plus a lot of other stuff.

I smell improper configuration of the emulator. While I have not played on PS2, all inputs I attempt seem possible in the emulator in match scenarios. (IAD, 1-2-3 frame links, tk227, tk236) Scanlines can be removed by booting the game in progressive mode. Sound has some delay with me and tearing occurs after ~1 hour of play, but this is not integral to gameplay  IMO.

Kinda strange, but playing in native resolution (from the graphics plugin settings) introduces delay over using D3D internal res 1024x1024 with 4x scaling. Also, the latter looks sharper, while the native resolution introduces some kind of blur on the sprites. I can not distinguish the latter from non-emulated input, but it is heavy on the graphics card - I get 60 fps constant with 9800gx2, but 525M and 8800 can't get playable rates.

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #294 on: October 07, 2011, 11:47:17 AM »
._.

I can't even open pcsx2o. <.< Something with the MSCVR100.dll error with the entry point not being found. <_<

Oh, well, I think I'll have to wait 2 more months.
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #295 on: October 07, 2011, 06:06:19 PM »
._.

I can't even open pcsx2o. <.< Something with the MSCVR100.dll error with the entry point not being found. <_<

Oh, well, I think I'll have to wait 2 more months.

Did you install the original PCSX2?
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #296 on: October 07, 2011, 06:56:39 PM »
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #297 on: October 07, 2011, 08:02:06 PM »
I been doing all the slightly more complicated combos on netplay and it is still working.

Though it is on delay 1, not too sure about 2 delay onwards.

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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #298 on: October 07, 2011, 08:08:45 PM »
I don't think you have to worry about the delay. It looks there no actual delay in this netplay. When the connection does't do, instead of high delay or freezes the FPS will be drop, so you just can't play. Both player can run the game 500% offline, but if the connection doesnt do, the FPS will drop. In other words, if you can play in 60 fps, the delay doesn't matter...

Other useful info is: when the FPS stays in 4, the connection failed. Close everything and try again. Opening ports or using hamachi are may be required some times if you use a router. When the FPS stays in 9, there's a memory card conflict. Just remove the file inside the memorycard folder (ask your opponent to remove too).
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Re: How to run Melty Blood Actress Again on your PC (with Netplay)
« Reply #299 on: October 07, 2011, 10:17:03 PM »
Did you install the original PCSX2?

Yeah, I have.

Shouldn't I have installed the original?

Seems I can at least open it, I have no person to try the netplay yet. <.<;
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