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Misaki Town Bakery => Melty Blood Auditorium => : F9|Chibi September 12, 2007, 07:18:11 AM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Ok, it's become increasingly apparent that there are an actual (GROWING) number of people out there that play MB:AC on keyboard now that it's back to its 'pc roots'. Hell, even MB at EVO had a keyboard player (to the dismay of a few folks).
But what do you guys think? Should it be a tournament standard to allow keyboards for use or should they be banned?
I'm personally against their use.
Discuss ;p?
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Meh people should be able to use whatever they want... as long as they don't bring something weird like a DDR pad...
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Dude! Didn't you know that its been my dream to play a fighting game with a ddr pad?!
Okay, seriously, if people wanna play keyboard its their money they're wasting. Its like consciously deciding to use a bottom tier character. Sure, you can win with keyboard, but its 100x harder than just using a stick or a pad.
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If people use them, let them use use them. Their choice.
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There's no feasible reason to disallow keyboards. The argument of possible cheating is more or less bullshit. There are ways to prevent and monitor any and all possible forms of cheating via a keyboard.
Note: This does not make up for the fact that keyboards are a pain in the ass to setup and an eyesore.
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Let them use keyboards, make its easer for me to win :fap:
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Let them use keyboards, make its easer for me to win :fap:
seconded.
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you can let them, but it'll just be too much lol :/
and, there's also a reputation to hold(or something like that).. It just looks bad to have someone using a keyboard. D:
Heh, but I guess to each their own, or something, atleast it makes it easier for other people to beat on him/her.
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Apparently, you people haven't gone up against a good keyboard user yet. :V
As for the topic at hand, it really doesn't matter to much to me, though I tend to agree with Magz:
Note: This does not make up for the fact that keyboards are a pain in the ass to setup and an eyesore.
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Apparently, you people haven't gone up against a good keyboard user yet. :V
you are correct ;D
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For purposes of principle, I ban keyboards from West Toasts since some of them were run on PS2, some on PC, and in the future (if ver.C ever comes out on Arcade/PS2), there won't be any people left behind again. Also, the process to disable certain inputs or to make sure that the keyboard player receives P1/P2 side is, as magz said, a royal pain in the ass, and that's time better spent keeping the tournament running smoothly instead. However, they're allowed for casuals on-site.
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I'm all for allowing the keyboard.
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Note: This does not make up for the fact that keyboards are a pain in the ass to setup and an eyesore.
I learned to play default keyboard controls and adapted at EVO because I wanted the tournament to run as smoothly as possible and I didn't want to whine about not having the patch. I can now play both controls (1P & 2P) to the same degree as my old custom controls.
Keyboard users aren't handicapped at all, in fact some difficult techniques are easier to pull of on keyboard. Veteru and I were having some keyboard duels (both of us on keyboards) and something I can do on keyboard easily that is very difficult to do on stick is TK 7 ribbons with Akiha.
I also have this stupid dream of going to Tougeki though so I've started to learn stick. I mean it sounds pretty stupid that I want to play Melty competitively with a keyboard. Everyone should pick up a pad at least and if you've got the money, go for a stick 'cause going at it in the arcades is what it's really about.
EDIT: Clarified a few things that seemed vague.
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I also have this stupid dream of going to Tougeki though so I've started to learn stick.
Then you need to show up with a keyboard bag strapped behind your back just for show. Represent your fellow keyboard players!
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No, you need to drop playing with a fucking keyboard and get on that pad / stick.
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My issue with keyboard is that it's far too easy for the player on the keyboard to hit the other players controls, either intentionally or not.
If it wasn't for that I wouldn't really care.
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Well Tom is banning it from WT tournaments, and I'm 100% sure it will be banned at W2Z from now on. It's also banned from NEC8.
Are we going to work on a tournament standard or should we keep discussing it @_@?
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Well Tom is banning it from WT tournaments,
Except I used one last WT just fine :toot:
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Well Tom is banning it from WT tournaments,
Except I used one last WT just fine :toot:
Except you won't be doing it again~
For purposes of principle, I ban keyboards from West Toasts since some of them were run on PS2, some on PC, and in the future (if ver.C ever comes out on Arcade/PS2), there won't be any people left behind again. Also, the process to disable certain inputs or to make sure that the keyboard player receives P1/P2 side is, as magz said, a royal pain in the ass, and that's time better spent keeping the tournament running smoothly instead. However, they're allowed for casuals on-site.
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.... How much would you like to bet? =p
Sorry for thread derailing. :psyduck:
I think keyboards should be allowed, it's just a handicap for us right?
I think keyboards should be limited to the one that's plugged in though, no unplugging/replugging. If it's a laptop, probably stuck using pad.
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Well I don't care what Tom does (that's a lie, I'm aiming for a tournament standard here), but if you keyboard commandoes ever come over to the EC you're royally boned. I say ditch that shit already.
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The issue with keyboards, is to many keys avaliable for macros, thats so easily solved. You guys do realize I could make a Keyboard stick ehehehe, with just the keys you use, take out all others ones, so that would be completely legal, and nice to look at, though I'd still never use it.
I dunno why people insist on kb controls, but I personally, have no problem with people using em, I think they should be allowed as a tournament standard. Just same rules apply. However I agree with Chibi, we need to decide 100% on one standard, either way I am using stick, so I am not worried, but I would prefer that everyone is in the same page, then hopelessly lost :slowpoke:.
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Isn't it going to be a pain in the ass if two keyboard players want to go against each other?
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If you have a keyboard with everything disabled except your character's controls then you can use it. Keep in mind you might need to switch between player 1 and player 2 side. For casuals I don't care.
And DDR pads are allowed if there is enough room.
Enforcing the use of pelican ps2 converters(provided by tournament organizer) is something I've considered, but I'd rather not go that way unless its necessary.
Keyboard >>>>> pad > stick btw.
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If you have a keyboard with everything disabled except your character's controls then you can use it. Keep in mind you might need to switch between player 1 and player 2 side. For casuals I don't care.
And DDR pads are allowed if there is enough room.
Enforcing the use of pelican ps2 converters(provided by tournament organizer) is something I've considered, but I'd rather not go that way unless its necessary.
Keyboard >>>>> pad > stick btw.
:>
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Keyboards for tournaments: Yes
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Keyboard >>>>> pad > stick btw.
Let me revise that.
Stick >> keyboard >>>>> pad
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you fail Stick > pad > keyboard.
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Its like consciously deciding to use a bottom tier character.
I sure hope you were fucking kidding. Also if it were for me I'd want everything on a cab hehe, but we don't have that leisure so stick/pad is whatever, as long as I don't have to hear about someone whining about their key got pressed accidentally.
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I'd like to hear some logic on how a stick is better than a keyboard. And don't say something that also says street fighter the movie the game is the best game ever because some random schmuck said so.
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I'd like to hear some logic on how a stick is better than a keyboard. And don't say something that also says street fighter the movie the game is the best game ever because some random schmuck said so.
????????
You're confusing me now.
:mystery:
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All I have to do is say three words, any three words, and you're confused.
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Zaelar is on a roll, he gets 3 free internet cookies
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Actually, it IS a pain in the ass. Take this scenario for example:
Two keyboard users are going to battle each other, both of them just happen to have the -exact same- configuration, as that is what they are used to playing, what are you to do now?
Flip a coin to see who keeps it? What if there is only one keyboard(althought probably they would each have their own).
Are you going to be monitoring where they press every single key?
All of this is too much of a hassle, it's just way better to not allow them at all. Now, I am assuming you can configure keys for keyboard in MBACVerB, I remember you couldn't in MBR(I think), I am not so sure since I've never played on the keyboard, but still, that situation can show up, can't it?
I would say keyboards are a definite no.
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No, you need to drop playing with a fucking keyboard and get on that pad / stick.
While we're discussing input devices and their viability, let's ban pads as well. They are eyesores and are equally annoying due to their so-called "incompatibility" with the one true ps2->usb adapter, the Pelican. We're playing a fucking fighting game here.
The day you enter SBO you'll be sorry.
Oh, and since we're in the restrictive mood, let's also ban any sticks other than HRAPs and good-looking custom sticks because all the other ones just plain suck.
On second thought, let's ban HRAP1's because their button layout hurts my hands and their color scheme isn't quite sexy enough.
Furthermore, let's forever disallow HRAPs with stock Hori buttons because they fucking suck more than pads.
See where I'm headed with the arbitrary BS and lukewarm reasoning?
</sarcasm>
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I don't play on pad anymore.
And yeah I'm being restrictive.
You guys have already acknowledged that playing on a keyboard handicaps you, so drop that shit and pick up stick or pad.
Though after talking to Zaelar, I've agreed with him on the notion that keyboards could be allowed, but only when it's been proven that they can't control the other player, don't need software to do so, and can work default controls.
Good luck with that.
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The biggest issue is 2 keyboard players against each other. It's impossible to get both of them to run the same 1P-style controls against each other. Too many problems.
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/quote arlieth -- There are ways to do it. Easiest would be just have a second keyboard with the keys rearanged.(I imagine thats the easiest anyway). A switch that switches the keys from one to the other should also be possible. I was thinking about gutting a keyboard and a ps2 controller and wiring a keyboard to the ps2 guts, which would then use a converter and work just like any custom controller as far as input is concerned. Someone did this at evo, check the controller thread on srk.
/quote chibi -- They also need to be able to get to the correct character if 1p/2p side ever comes up.
Forcing the use of pelicans provided for the tournament is the most that would be needed; I can't think of any issues that would come up, just the rare controllers that lag with it and usb controllers. Pelicans work for most things and the 1p/2p side isn't an issue as you can label the converters.
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For no reason other than all of the complications they can cause, my vote would be no keyboards allowed. I have nothing against pads, especially after considering they were an intended controller for the ps2 version, have no compatibility issues, and will continue to be an intended controller if there are any future versions of console Melty Blood.
As far as all the theoretical "Don't use a keybaord in case you go to SBO" bullshit, shut up. I seriously doubt anyone on this forum will actually compete in anything further than qualifiers, and if you do manage to prove me wrong, than congratulations -- But I'm willing to bet you were using a stick as your primary control device already...
Yes, it is probably possible to have two keyboards with the same controls acting as two joysticks via some software out there, but it isn't worth the hassle. Sorry keyboard players, but if you want to compete in real life tournaments, you'd better learn pad/stick.
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I think keyboards should be limited to the one that's plugged in though, no unplugging/replugging. If it's a laptop, probably stuck using pad.
Yeah, an already plugged in keyboard shouldn't pose any problems, especially if the tournament sponsor makes sure it is one that allows inputs for more than five buttons.
That said, if you want to be really competitive, sticks or pads are the way to go. I used to play keyboard once, and it's a pain in the ass to do arc drives with it.
On a retarded note, as Q Chu once said, I would like to see someone play MBAC... WITH THE POWER GLOVE. >:D
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The thing is, pad is pretty bad to some people (Including me) and not all of us can exactly afford a stick. Hell, that's the only reason why I haven't switched to stick yet, but Keyboard isn't that bad to use anyways. (Oh, and Arc Drives are pretty easy to pull off on one when you're used to it)
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
Anyone who can play Melty with that thing has my respect.
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what about custom sticks that use keyboard encoders(something like this (http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html)), im sure you could get it to be switchable from p1 and p2 sides aswell.
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
Epic. :psyduck:
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
Wow, whoever uses this obviously is ballin'
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what about custom sticks that use keyboard encoders(something like this (http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html)), im sure you could get it to be switchable from p1 and p2 sides aswell.
If you can plug it in to a pelican it's fine.
If you can plug it into usb and it works without anything being installed on the computer and you can't control the other player's character, it is probably fine.
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
Kudos to you if you can pull off a dragon punch or a 22x on that one. :psyduck:
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Or anything involving a 12378 or 9. It doesn't look like it has any up/down control. If the wheel is tiltable for up/down or it came with a throttle...
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I bet I could play a pretty sick Guile with that wheel. XD
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As far as people being worried about keyboard player vs keyboard player, this is easily solved, simply use MB Caster, and use 2 different computers, you want to use Keyboard, you have to bring an extra laptop and USB keyboard, thats my vote, if you want to be a keyboard user, beats me why, but I have solved all your problems :o.
:toot: :toot: :blah: :blah:
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only problem i will see is, if somehow they blame their input sucking or their computers crashing because of Via netplay but watevers :x
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yeah theres netplay lagg even between two PC's directly connected through gigabit ethernet too, multi core PC's have less lag but its still present so thats really not quite an option.
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I bet I could play a pretty sick Guile with that wheel. XD
I see what you did thar.
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yeah theres netplay lagg even between two PC's directly connected through gigabit ethernet too, multi core PC's have less lag but its still present so thats really not quite an option.
I ran into my pcs, and no lag whatsoever, so dunno.
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yeah theres netplay lagg even between two PC's directly connected through gigabit ethernet too, multi core PC's have less lag but its still present so thats really not quite an option.
I ran into my pcs, and no lag whatsoever, so dunno.
ouch. . .
I get lagg ; ;, its not heavy lagg but you can feel it, but thats just me i guess -_-, i actually think the lagg from caster is more than mBR FS1 lagg on direct network games
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I have no lag problems at all when I'm netplaying someone from my city so its probably just you.
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on keyboards
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Banning keyboards is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on keyboards
therefore
Banning keyboards is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
Yeah, because we all know that every person in tourneys over here is going to Japan and is going to qualify for SBO against Japanese players.
Except not.
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on your stick
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Banning sticks is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
fixed.
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Its hopeless :psyduck:, someone pass me that Wheel!
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Good lord, let's just play with Power Gloves. :slowpoke:
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on your stick
therefore
Banning sticks is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
fixed.
Unless your stick is designed specifically to mimic the parts and layout of Japanese cabs...
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on keyboards
therefore
Banning keyboards is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
Yeah, because we all know that every person in tourneys over here is going to Japan and is going to qualify for SBO against Japanese players.
Except not.
The possibility still exists.
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on keyboards
therefore
Banning keyboards is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
Yeah, because we all know that every person in tourneys over here is going to Japan and is going to qualify for SBO against Japanese players.
Except not.
The possibility still exists.
ZetSen reference?
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Unless your stick is designed specifically to mimic the parts and layout of Japanese cabs...
Carrying around something the size of a Japanese cab isn't something I think I'm ready for.
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Unless your stick is designed specifically to mimic the parts and layout of Japanese cabs...
Carrying around something the size of a Japanese cab isn't something I think I'm ready for.
I wouldn't either.
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if you get qualified to play at SBO, they won't allow you to play on keyboards
therefore
Banning keyboards is for your own good! You can thank us later when you're in japan.
Yeah, because we all know that every person in tourneys over here is going to Japan and is going to qualify for SBO against Japanese players.
Except not.
The possibility still exists.
ZetSen reference?
OMG you caught the reference!! :O...
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What about the PS2 keyboard that came out for FF11? Wouldnt that allow single player setups, not to mention the ability to use it on a PS2/PS3 if a version C came out for that console?
I've never handled that keyboard so not sure exactly how it works.
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Once you go stick, you'll never look back... :mystery:
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(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ATY7BWYL._AA280_.jpg)
top tier shit, don't go banning it please. :-[
I feel like trying that out now. I think I have one of those somewhere...
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What about the PS2 keyboard that came out for FF11? Wouldnt that allow single player setups, not to mention the ability to use it on a PS2/PS3 if a version C came out for that console?
I've never handled that keyboard so not sure exactly how it works.
Won't work, there are no drivers for it while your playing a game, only during the chat rooms, or pregame lobby. Unless a game supports it as chat, but then again it wont support any further than that. :blah:
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What about the PS2 keyboard that came out for FF11? Wouldnt that allow single player setups, not to mention the ability to use it on a PS2/PS3 if a version C came out for that console?
I've never handled that keyboard so not sure exactly how it works.
It was just a standard USB keyboard. FFXI supports any generic USB keyboard in-software.
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Then it has been decided everyone must learn2stick or they must :emo:
:teach:
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Then it has been decided everyone must learn2stick or they must :emo:
:teach:
This can also be interpreted another way :psyduck:
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Then it has been decided everyone must learn2stick or they must :emo:
:teach:
This can also be interpreted another way :psyduck:
YOU TAKE YOUR PERVERTED THOUGHTS OVER TO THE TOAST SIR!!!!!!!!!
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Do PS2 controller analogues (analogs?) work with MBAC? :psyduck:
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not sure... but they would be kinda weird to use...
most fighting games don't support them.
EDIT: i thought we were talking about the ps2 for some reason :emo: :emo: :emo:
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Left one works with movement if you use a pelican(not sure about other converters). I haven't tested the right one at all.
Funny thing, in the ps2 version you could set L3/R3(Pressing the analog sticks in) as button presses, but you couldn't actually use the directions on them. ::)
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I did that with a logitech controller cuz the dpad didn't work lol
THAT was awkward.
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Do PS2 controller analogues (analogs?) work with MBAC? :psyduck:
Yes, if using a RadioShack converter. I was bored one day and decided to play around with it.
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I did that with a logitech controller cuz the dpad didn't work lol
THAT was awkward.
Yeh. It is retardedly sensitive.
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about keyboard being troublesome to set up
Is it possible to use caster's debug mode to play? It's a lot easier to set key on caster (just cut and paste the keycodes to config_caster.ini)
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not sure... but they would be kinda weird to use...
most fighting games don't support them.
EDIT: i thought we were talking about the ps2 for some reason :emo: :emo: :emo:
I tend to get a blistered thumb when doing special moves with the D-pad.