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Offline Psylocke

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 11:36:42 AM »
Did they nerf anything else major about Akiha other than the applies-to-everyone h-moon system mechanics? If so, what? The huge drop in tier surprises me too...

For H-Akiha, the main nerf she got was in damage.  She doesn't get 5k damage combos for free anymore.  Other than that I don't know what else got changed
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 11:42:06 AM »
Other thing that probably hurt H-moon is the life regen nerf.
Awhile ago from a arcadia mag that was pre-verA...there were like six or something charas in top tier, and all were half.
Now it's dropped to three.
im gonna count on it being various chara nerfs + life regen
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2009, 12:11:49 PM »
Oh, also.  F-Maids are only A-?  The videos of them that Sibla posted made them look a whole hell of a lot better.

Meh, that blockstring shit isn't THAT good, looks easy to bunker
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2009, 12:58:11 PM »
Oh, also.  F-Maids are only A-?  The videos of them that Sibla posted made them look a whole hell of a lot better.

Multihit moves are super easy to EX Guard so plant/Hisui assist blockstrings shouldn't rape your guard meter.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2009, 02:14:14 PM »
Oh, also.  F-Maids are only A-?  The videos of them that Sibla posted made them look a whole hell of a lot better.

Multihit moves are super easy to EX Guard so plant/Hisui assist blockstrings shouldn't rape your guard meter.
Infinite blockstrings just don't work very well. Bunkers get you out unless they're baited, and 99% of the time after a few reps the person trying the infinite blockstring will fall into a pattern and keep up the blockstring on reflex, so even if you get hit they'll screw up a followup and you'll get out. See Vakiha F j.236 loop. Now players will only try it maybe twice because any more and it doesn't really do anything. From the videos I've seen, Full Maids players usually let the opponent out of pressure after maybe 2000 damage on accident if they stop blocking, and will get a full combo and keep the opponent in the corner if they get the guard break.

And I do think Akiha is too low. Asdf was browsing the Japanese BBS though, and opinions still vary a lot. A lot of people don't put Wara that low, and a lot have different Akiha styles on different tiers, with F at A tier or something.

H Vsion is like the greatest rushdown character ever made in a fighting game. I don't know why people thought F Miyako was better. Sure F Miyako has a really hard to block mixup, but H Vsion's mixup is almost impossible to actually get out of and she can just keep pressure up. You can poke out of F Miyako stuff. H Vsion 6C is like the best overhead in the game in terms of getting counterhits and lower body invincibility, and H Vsion covers the entire screen faster than any other character (and I'm pretty sure she dashes at least 50% faster than MBAC/Crescent Vsion). Also she has better antiair than any rushdown character ever had in MBAC (6B kills you for free if you're anywhere within half a screen of Vsion in the air unless you cross her up), and a j.B that has about as much reach as Nanaya j.C that can also cross up. And she still has one of the best j.Cs in the entire game just like MBAC. I've always thought H Vsion was the best character in the game, I don't know why everyone else said F Miyako was better.

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2009, 03:22:58 PM »
It's a bit redundant, but they've also started to rank the styles for each character.

VSion H > F > C
Mecha C > H > F
Shiki Tohno H > C > F
Nero F > H > C
Nanaya C > F > H
Kohaku H > C > F
Miyako F > C > H
Warc C > F > H
Maids F > C > H
Arcueid F > H > C
White Ren F > C > H
Hisui C > H > F
Ciel C > H > F
Kouma F > C > H
Aoko F > C > H
Ries F > H > C
Satsuki C > H > F
VAkiha F > H > C
Sion F > C > H
Roa H > F > C
Akiha C > F > H
Wara C > F > H
Ren H > F > C

The consensus seems to be that for Akiha, Crescent is the best style, though Half and Full are better off against certain matchups.  To theory fight a bit more, Crescent also seems to be her best style from videos too.  Out of all the notable MBAC Akiha players(Yukinose, GO1, Kirito, Yuu, Tetsu, t-ru), Yukinose is the only one that uses F, all the other players use C/H, and GO1 switched to VSion
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2009, 08:37:40 PM »
A-: C-Aoko
B: F-Aoko
B-: H-Aoko

It's a bit redundant, but they've also started to rank the styles for each character.

Aoko F > C > H

Not very consistent...
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2009, 09:53:25 PM »
why universe hate warakia :'(
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2009, 10:41:55 PM »
A-: C-Aoko
B: F-Aoko
B-: H-Aoko

It's a bit redundant, but they've also started to rank the styles for each character.

Aoko F > C > H

Not very consistent...

Well yeah, the people that did the style rankings were different than the people that did the tier lists
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2009, 12:02:32 AM »
why universe hate warakia :'(

Wara is an upgrade.

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2009, 12:18:41 AM »
Did C-Nanaya get changed in ver.A? When MBAA first came out all the american nanaya players were crying about how his 2B and 5C were nerfed and he sucks horribly now. So was he buffed in ver.A or is this another classic case of american players being wrong about everything?

Maybe it's because I don't hang out in any of the IRC channels or I'm watching some different matches than you guys, but when was ANYONE complaining about Nanaya being nerfed? LOL sucking horribly now....really? I could have sworn he was doing perfectly from the matches I was seeing.

when MBAA first came out i was getting hype over c-nanaya's buffed 5B and how its really useful and several people (including jiyuna and magikarp and some others i think) proceeded to lecture me about how his 2B and 5C have been super nerfed and hes a lot worse now and etc etc etc

but like i said this was back when it was first released, maybe it changed for ver.A?
Well, his 2b and 5c are still nerfed, but he did get buffs as well, so it kind of evens out.  All in all he's still a beast, and with a guard bar working in his favor, it just makes him more dangerous.  It's still surprising to see him up THAT high though.


Oh, also.  F-Maids are only A-?  The videos of them that Sibla posted made them look a whole hell of a lot better.
F Maids have awesome pressure, but there's still some things they lack, such as a proper antiair.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2009, 07:18:09 AM »
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Well, his 2b and 5c are still nerfed, but he did get buffs as well, so it kind of evens out.  All in all he's still a beast, and with a guard bar working in his favor, it just makes him more dangerous.  It's still surprising to see him up THAT high though.

hardly

nanaya was always a dumb character with shit that consistently works even if you've seen it a million times.

glad they finally realised he's high tier for it.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2009, 07:22:47 AM »
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2009, 09:26:42 AM »
irysa your trolling is much more effective when you dont put any effort into it
I don't even read his posts half the time, my eyes always gets dragged towards his avatar  :psyduck:

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2009, 09:57:31 AM »
I wonder what it'll feel like to finally play an S tier character.

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2009, 10:26:30 AM »
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2009, 01:31:20 PM »
and then nobody choose Sacchin ever again...
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2009, 01:56:21 PM »
and then nobody choose Sacchin ever again...
isn't it sad?
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2009, 08:15:36 PM »
irysa your trolling is much more effective when you dont put any effort into it

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2009, 08:46:12 PM »
irysa your trolling is much more effective when you dont put any effort into it

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2009, 06:58:05 AM »
I'm surprised F-Hisui is considered the worst groove for her... she looks like the best in most videos I've seen of her, or at the very least, ahead of H-Hisui.

Its also crazy to think H-Akiha is the worst Akiha, after all that hype about her in vanilla MBAA...

Oh well, a lot of this will probably change when Ver.B comes out~
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2009, 05:09:33 PM »
What videos are you watching?

F-Hisui is awful. She has to have the worst tools in the game in that groove.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2009, 07:42:10 PM »
It seemed to me that her damage in F-Moon was consistently higher than anything I'd seen from Cresent or Half styles... Perhaps I'm mistaken, then...? I don't really have the links anymore to back myself up  :-X
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2009, 10:54:48 PM »
That's the case with the entire groove, not just Hisui.

Seriously, in comparison to H and C Full Moon Hisui is a barely passable gimmick.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2009, 02:27:14 AM »
Lol damage. Hisui isn't a damage character. In fact, in MBAA only C Ciel and F Miyako are really damage characters. F Hisui normals are terrible, she loses her traps, and she loses bento in exchange for a mediocre chair she had in MBAC and 2 terrible chairs. She even loses her EX Dust. The only remotely good qualities F Hisui has are things every style has, and she has a lot of stuff that's much worse.