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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #225 on: June 06, 2010, 05:33:21 AM »
Yo, F Roa has good tools.  He just doesn't have a lot of them.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #226 on: June 06, 2010, 09:49:48 PM »
Yo, F Roa has good tools.  He just doesn't have a lot of them.

He can make you block all day, that's it, and then you 2a through his blockstrings and he'd done.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #227 on: July 16, 2010, 12:32:18 AM »
Actually, I would agree to put H-S.Akiha up a few tiers. I'll give some reasons:

1. Her IAD pressure is extremely fast.
2. Her dash is extremely fast. It allows for ridiculous tech punishes. I mean, she can literally tech chase people on reaction.
3. j.BC dj.BC combos on a standing opponent if it hits, and is her fuzzy guard, leading to 6.5k damage on hit.
4. 2A 2B 5B 5C 22B is a godly frame trap. It allows her to continue pressuring with 2B etc... and can then lead to 5B 5C 22A/B on block. The mixup here is the opponent can jump out or mash out of her 22B, however, 22A catches jumpouts/mashing. This then leads to jumping out/mashing after the 22A. I'm not sure how safe it is, but I know that 22A is atleast safe on block. 2A beats mashing, 6B beats jumpouts.
5. 623C is a fantastic reversal and sets up for tech traps if it lands.
6. Her arc drive is completely safe on whiff or block. It also gives her really good pressure if she's rushing down, giving her the threat of putting it out to catch mashing or simply as a throw setup.
7. Her command throw sets up for oki and is a viable threat when you need it. I've won sooo many games from turtling players by simply throwing them and setting up her ambiguous cross up/guard break.
8. She has an ambiguous cross up/guard break midscreen from throw or combo. The combo that sets it up is 2A 2B 5B 5B 5A 6AA 22A 2C 22A. This allows her to super jump past the person that just got comboed, and airdash j.C. If you time the airdash correctly, you can either cross-up or not cross-up. That being said, if the opponent tries to jump, her j.C will keep them in place in the air and S.Akiha can 2A guard break. This doesn't work on some characters, and on some characters you need to use ad.B.
9. Her j.B has ridiculous range beneath her. It is a great air-ground poke. j.A is also a really good air-air poke.
10. Pillars are great for setting up throw attempts in the corner for oki.

Now, she does have some problems, too. She has absolutely horrible match-ups against Riesbyfe and Ryougi because their attacks will outzone her all day. She has to be liberally patient in order to get in and force them to block. Even more so, Ries can reversal to get S.Akiha off her, making it really hard to stay in. S.Akiha's mixup game aside from her oki setups is pretty garbage. However, if you are good at punishing players, you can force them to block for a very very long time in the corner using her 22x series. (I've gotten many guard breaks this way)

I think she should be pretty high, but I wouldn't place her any higher than A.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #228 on: July 16, 2010, 04:11:28 PM »
Tier list made by Japanese F-Maids player モスクワ(Moscow).  Does not use the standard S-A-B-C format because he used his list to run a special teams tournament, where every character was assigned a ratio/point, and teams could only have a maximum of 10 points.

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CH-Kohaku H-Shiki H-VSion F-Maids

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F-Akiha C-Shiki CF-Miyako HF-Nero C-Mech C-Warc

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H-Hisui F-Kohaku F-Shiki C-Nero F-VSion HF-Warc C-Satsuki HF-Aoko C-Maids C-Nanaya

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CF-Arc C-Ciel CF-Hisui CH-Akiha H-Miyako C-Wara C-VSion HF-VAkiha H-Mech F-Nanaya HF-Satsuki C-Aoko H-Maids HF-Kouma CF-Ries F-WLen C-Sion

2
HF-Sion H-Arc HF-Ciel HF-Wara C-VAkiha F-Mech H-Nanaya Len C-Kouma H-Ries CH-WLen HF-Roa

1
Necos C-Roa

So there could have been a team of 10 people if they all played the necos or c-roa
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #229 on: July 16, 2010, 05:27:48 PM »
C-Roa is a equivalent joke character  :prinny:

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #230 on: July 16, 2010, 09:41:09 PM »
C-Roa is a equivalent joke character  :prinny:

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #231 on: July 16, 2010, 09:46:25 PM »
C-Roa is a equivalent joke character  :prinny:

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #232 on: July 17, 2010, 02:34:13 AM »
Tier list made by Japanese F-Maids player モスクワ(Moscow).  Does not use the standard S-A-B-C format because he used his list to run a special teams tournament, where every character was assigned a ratio/point, and teams could only have a maximum of 10 points.

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CH-Kohaku H-Shiki H-VSion F-Maids

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F-Akiha C-Shiki CF-Miyako HF-Nero C-Mech C-Warc

4
H-Hisui F-Kohaku F-Shiki C-Nero F-VSion HF-Warc C-Satsuki HF-Aoko C-Maids C-Nanaya

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CF-Arc C-Ciel CF-Hisui CH-Akiha H-Miyako C-Wara C-VSion HF-VAkiha H-Mech F-Nanaya HF-Satsuki C-Aoko H-Maids HF-Kouma CF-Ries F-WLen C-Sion

2
HF-Sion H-Arc HF-Ciel HF-Wara C-VAkiha F-Mech H-Nanaya Len C-Kouma H-Ries CH-WLen HF-Roa

1
Necos C-Roa

So there could have been a team of 10 people if they all played the necos or c-roa
I find the list pretty interesting.  F Maids, F Shiki, F vSion, H Warc, and H Mech are higher than I would have ever expected, though I can agree with F Maids.  On the flip side, C Ciel, F Kouma, F Arc, Sions, H Ries, C Nanaya and H/F vAkiha are lower than I'd expect.  I suppose I can agree with F Kouma and H/F vAKiha, but wtf at C Ciel and C Nanaya.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #233 on: July 17, 2010, 02:46:56 AM »
Tier list made by Japanese F-Maids player モスクワ(Moscow).  Does not use the standard S-A-B-C format because he used his list to run a special teams tournament, where every character was assigned a ratio/point, and teams could only have a maximum of 10 points.

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CH-Kohaku H-Shiki H-VSion F-Maids

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F-Akiha C-Shiki CF-Miyako HF-Nero C-Mech C-Warc

4
H-Hisui F-Kohaku F-Shiki C-Nero F-VSion HF-Warc C-Satsuki HF-Aoko C-Maids C-Nanaya

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CF-Arc C-Ciel CF-Hisui CH-Akiha H-Miyako C-Wara C-VSion HF-VAkiha H-Mech F-Nanaya HF-Satsuki C-Aoko H-Maids HF-Kouma CF-Ries F-WLen C-Sion

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HF-Sion H-Arc HF-Ciel HF-Wara C-VAkiha F-Mech H-Nanaya Len C-Kouma H-Ries CH-WLen HF-Roa

1
Necos C-Roa

So there could have been a team of 10 people if they all played the necos or c-roa
I find the list pretty interesting.  F Maids, F Shiki, F vSion, H Warc, and H Mech are higher than I would have ever expected, though I can agree with F Maids.  On the flip side, C Ciel, F Kouma, F Arc, Sions, H Ries, C Nanaya and H/F vAkiha are lower than I'd expect.  I suppose I can agree with F Kouma and H/F vAKiha, but wtf at C Ciel and C Nanaya.

Now that I actually look at the thing in depth you have a point, C Ciel should be higher.
C Nanaya I haven't played/seen him played so I have no comment on that.
H/F vAkiha sorta surprises me but she takes so much damage I can understand why she is there.


And what are you talking about with F Shiki being too high up? He is a legend with the right color  :prinny:
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #234 on: July 17, 2010, 03:53:48 AM »
Now that I actually look at the thing in depth you have a point, C Ciel should be higher.
C Nanaya I haven't played/seen him played so I have no comment on that.
H/F vAkiha sorta surprises me but she takes so much damage I can understand why she is there.


And what are you talking about with F Shiki being too high up? He is a legend with the right color  :prinny:

C Nanaya is usually considered near top, like on par with Miyako, and C Ciel is a complete hobag.  It just feels wrong for them not being higher.

F Shiki really seems like garbage to me though.  I don't understand at all why he's that high.
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #235 on: July 17, 2010, 03:59:46 AM »
Now that I actually look at the thing in depth you have a point, C Ciel should be higher.
C Nanaya I haven't played/seen him played so I have no comment on that.
H/F vAkiha sorta surprises me but she takes so much damage I can understand why she is there.


And what are you talking about with F Shiki being too high up? He is a legend with the right color  :prinny:

C Nanaya is usually considered near top, like on par with Miyako, and C Ciel is a complete hobag.  It just feels wrong for them not being higher.

F Shiki really seems like garbage to me though.  I don't understand at all why he's that high.

Ah, well when I see Nanaya get play I usually only see people pick F Nanaya. Your C Ciel comment is probably the greatest thing I have ever read, and I was just trying to make a joke with the F Shiki thing... Banana Shiki is a total legend.  :V
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #236 on: July 17, 2010, 04:51:01 AM »
Ah, well when I see Nanaya get play I usually only see people pick F Nanaya. Your C Ciel comment is probably the greatest thing I have ever read, and I was just trying to make a joke with the F Shiki thing... Banana Shiki is a total legend.  :V
Lol, yeah.  I've seen the "legendary" banana shiki. 
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #237 on: July 17, 2010, 05:15:18 AM »
Ah, well when I see Nanaya get play I usually only see people pick F Nanaya. Your C Ciel comment is probably the greatest thing I have ever read, and I was just trying to make a joke with the F Shiki thing... Banana Shiki is a total legend.  :V
Lol, yeah.  I've seen the "legendary" banana shiki. 

And you dare question his rank!?

In all honesty though this thread makes me want to pick up C Roa xD
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #238 on: July 17, 2010, 08:50:08 AM »
Remember this is C-Ciel from the arcade version

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #239 on: July 17, 2010, 08:56:47 AM »
C Nanaya is usually considered near top, like on par with Miyako, and C Ciel is a complete hobag.  It just feels wrong for them not being higher.

F Shiki really seems like garbage to me though.  I don't understand at all why he's that high.

C-Ciel has techable airthrow in arcade.

F-Tohno has BIG damage in corner, a bunch of solid anti-air options(5c, 6b, 236a, 214a), very good air to air with jc, ja with anti a armor, and respectable pressure options.  He can also mash between H/C Kohaku 5a BE 5b, which is an obnoxious tick throw setup. 
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #240 on: July 17, 2010, 11:13:54 AM »
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #241 on: July 17, 2010, 02:33:52 PM »
You could also airdash after ciel's air throw in arcade.

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #242 on: July 17, 2010, 03:00:59 PM »
C-Roa is a equivalent joke character  :prinny:

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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #243 on: July 20, 2010, 08:43:04 AM »
You could also airdash after ciel's air throw in arcade.

isn't that still technically possible if you air dodge after the airthrow?
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Re: MBAA Tiers
« Reply #244 on: July 20, 2010, 02:54:27 PM »
22b, jump, then you can do whatever you have left.  Landing and then rejumping is better though...