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Misaki Town Bakery => Melty Blood Auditorium => : Psylocke November 19, 2010, 05:44:08 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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MBAACC Ver 1.07
Hato's list, published in December 2011 issue of Arcadia magazine (http://www.norematch.com/images2/Arcadia%20%23139%200034.jpg)
S Nero Ryougi
A+ Arc Satsuki Wara Seifuku
A Sion Warc Akiha VAkiha Nanaya Kohaku HisuKoha Mech Len Kouma Ries Roa PCiel
B VSion Shiki Ciel Miyako Aoko WLen Hime
C NecoArc NecoArcChaos KohaMech Necomech
Kanna's list
S Arc PCiel Kohaku Nero Satsuki Roa Seifuku Ryougi
A Warc Shiki Akiha Wara Hisui Nanaya Sion Ries Aoko WLen Ciel Kouma VAkiha Hime Len Miyako
B VSion Mech
(Note: HisuKoha, the Necos, and the various team chars were not considered because of lack of experience)
MBAACC Ver 1.05
Character ranking generally agreed upon by the Japanese BBS
S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
Kanna's list
A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol), PCiel
A Everybody else
A- VSion
SAT's list
A+ Kohaku HisuKoha Ryougi PCiel
A Everyobdy else
A- (Nero) Mech-Hisui VSion
MBAACC
In similar fashion to MBAC Ver.B2 and MBAA Ver.A, there is now a tier list for CC done by surveying top Japanese players. Kiriya, the Sion player, posted it this time. Only 8 Japanese players were asked this time though, instead of the traditional 20. Maybe later they will get everyone else?
新宿勢の一部でランクを作成したので貼りにきました。
各自Ｓ～Ｃの４段階にに分けてランクを作ってもらい、Ｓ４点、Ａ３点、Ｂ２点、Ｃ１点で加算したのが以下の結果になりました。参考までに。
参加者
キリヤ、ジン、SAT、新屋、じゃむ、かんな、丸やん、芳乃
Ｓ：赤主(32)、シオン(31)
Ａ：さつき(26)、秋葉(25)、ワラキア(25)、シエル(24)、志貴(24)
Ｂ＋：琥珀(20)、リーズ(20)、七夜(20)、キシマ(20)、ヒスコハ(19)、式(19)
Ｂ：都古(18)、アルク(17)、青子(17)、翡翠(16)、ネロ(16)
Ｂ－：Ｖ(15)、白レン(15)、ワルク(14)、ロア(14)
Ｃ：レン(12)、メカ(11)、制服(9)
点数以外の段階分けは適当に書きました。
Ｂが分かれてるのは、ＡやＣに変えるほどの差はないけど、多すぎて見づらいからです。
Characters ranked from S to C, S getting 4 points, A getting 3, B getting 2, and C getting 1. Points are then totaled
Players: Kiriya, Jin, SAT, Niiya, Jamu, Kanna, Maruyan, Yoshino
S VAkiha(32) Sion(31)
A Satsuki(26) Akiha(25) Wara(25) Ciel(24) Shiki Tohno(24)
B+ Kohaku(20) Ries(20) Nanaya(20) Kouma(20) Maids(19) Ryougi(19)
B Miyako(18) Arc(17) Aoko(17) Hisui(16) Nero(16)
B- VSion(15) White Len(15) Warc(14) Roa(14)
C Len(12) Mech Hisui(11) Seifuku Akiha(9)
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Interesting, thanks for grabbing this. Is C-V.Akiha her best style and reason for being up there now?
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Poor Len. Still so low.
Also it's weird seeing Warc low.
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A tier Wara
GODLIKE
(over kohaku though? really? wow. Also Nero B? I thought everyone was complaining he was over represented in CC)
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B+ Ryougi
No one in JP other than like... Leo is good with Ryougi yet.
And everyone is just playing MBAC VAkiha again
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GET BACK INTO A TIER HISUI
DAMN BITCH
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B+ Ryougi
No one in JP other than like... Leo is good with Ryougi yet.
And everyone is just playing MBAC VAkiha again
T.N.'s F-Ryougi is pretty solid.
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....how is cmech low tier
edit: nvm
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I shed a tear for F-Len. Oh well.
I saw You do 623a -> 5a link in a match as if it were a combo video. One day he will awaken and be unstoppable.
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Not bad, I more or less agree with Ryougi's placement.
It is indeed strange to see Warc ranked so low. But I can kind of see why.
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Rei, you're forgetting Ieda's Ryougi. Otherwise I agree with Ryougi's placement -- not too high, not too low.
Can't wait to see the other player's opinions.
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Hisui B tier? :psyduck:
Nanaya higher than Hisui? :psyduck:
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Ｓ：赤主(32)、シオン(31)
I guess it's time to start playing again...
j/k
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Alright,this tierlist looks very legit,i cant really contest anything.I do wonder if there's a tierlist that ranks characters by moons.
PS: Nanaya...forever B ;_;
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Looks like I'll still be playing low tiers.
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Rei, you're forgetting Ieda's Ryougi. Otherwise I agree with Ryougi's placement -- not too high, not too low.
Can't wait to see the other player's opinions.
I think Ieda only trolls with Ryougi.
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In similar fashion to MBAC Ver.B2 and MBAA Ver.A, there is now a tier list for CC done by surveying top Japanese players. Kiriya, the Sion player, posted it this time. Only 8 Japanese players were asked this time though, instead of the traditional 20. Maybe later they will get everyone else?
新宿勢の一部でランクを作成したので貼りにきました。
各自Ｓ～Ｃの４段階にに分けてランクを作ってもらい、Ｓ４点、Ａ３点、Ｂ２点、Ｃ１点で加算したのが以下の結果になりました。参考までに。
参加者
キリヤ、ジン、SAT、新屋、じゃむ、かんな、丸やん、芳乃
Ｓ：赤主(32)、シオン(31)
Ａ：さつき(26)、秋葉(25)、ワラキア(25)、シエル(24)、志貴(24)
Ｂ＋：琥珀(20)、リーズ(20)、七夜(20)、キシマ(20)、ヒスコハ(19)、式(19)
Ｂ：都古(18)、アルク(17)、青子(17)、翡翠(16)、ネロ(16)
Ｂ－：Ｖ(15)、白レン(15)、ワルク(14)、ロア(14)
Ｃ：レン(12)、メカ(11)、制服(9)
点数以外の段階分けは適当に書きました。
Ｂが分かれてるのは、ＡやＣに変えるほどの差はないけど、多すぎて見づらいからです。
Characters ranked from S to C, S getting 4 points, A getting 3, B getting 2, and C getting 1. Points are then totaled
Players: Kiriya, Jin, SAT, Niiya, Jamu, Kanna, Maruyan, Yoshino
S VAkiha(32) Sion(31)
A Satsuki(26) Akiha(25) Wara(25) Ciel(24) Shiki Tohno(24)
B+ Kohaku(20) Ries(20) Nanaya(20) Kouma(20) Maids(19) Ryougi(19)
B Miyako(18) Arc(17) Aoko(17) Hisui(16) Nero(16)
B- VSion(15) White Len(15) Warc(14) Roa(14)
C Len(12) Mech Hisui(11) Seifuku Akiha(9)
Aw. Roa, mah boi, why so B tier?
Oh Well, I was thinking about picking up Riesbyfe anyways. I'll save that in the eventual case of getting access to CC.
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Chatting w/ Jeff-san this morning. Figured I'd ask his opinion on the matter (w/o referring to said list)
Zar says (4:18 AM):
who are the strongest characters according to jeff-san? (top tiers)
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:20 AM):
H Sion is G O D
Zar says (4:21 AM):
hahaha Hsion seems extremely strong now
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:21 AM):
H Sion >= F Akiha Vermillion = F Shiki Tohno > C Satsuki
H sion's
214A : high-speed
dash : high-speed
combo damage : improve
and okizeme is become strong
**referring to 214A>air dash 50/50 & 2C>2+A+B shenanigans
Zar says (4:30 AM):
which characters does jeff-san believe are the worst (or unuseable)?
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:30 AM):
F-Neco Arc, F Neco & Mech-Hisui **the team
I have an idea of which people will be making switches (in US) should we ever see the light of a console port...I'm not naming names though lol :mystery:
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Chatting w/ Jeff-san this morning. Figured I'd ask his opinion on the matter (w/o referring to said list)
Zar says (4:18 AM):
who are the strongest characters according to jeff-san? (top tiers)
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:20 AM):
H Sion is G O D
Zar says (4:21 AM):
hahaha Hsion seems extremely strong now
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:21 AM):
H Sion >= F Akiha Vermillion = F Shiki Tohno > C Satsuki
H sion's
214A : high-speed
dash : high-speed
combo damage : improve
and okizeme is become strong
**referring to 214A>air dash 50/50 & 2C>2+A+B shenanigans
Zar says (4:30 AM):
which characters does jeff-san believe are the worst (or unuseable)?
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:30 AM):
F-Neco Arc, F Neco & Mech-Hisui **the team
I have an idea of which people will be making switches (in US) should we ever see the light of a console port...I'm not naming names though lol :mystery:
I agree with everything except F-Tohno being S,he's not nearly as strong as the others.
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ftohno is strong yjdk
serious character, im glad at least one person in jp appreciates how good he is
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F-Tohno is boring, but really solid now with good damage output.
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I have an idea of which people will be making switches (in US) should we ever see the light of a console port...I'm not naming names though lol :mystery:
Name names, it'll be fun.
:teach:
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I have an idea of which people will be making switches (in US) should we ever see the light of a console port...I'm not naming names though lol :mystery:
Name names, it'll be fun.
:teach:
I already know Rayza will go back to H-Sion if there is one.
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Shit I want to switch to F-Hisui, character looks fucking stupid easy.
:teach:
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Chatting w/ Jeff-san this morning. Figured I'd ask his opinion on the matter (w/o referring to said list)
Zar says (4:18 AM):
who are the strongest characters according to jeff-san? (top tiers)
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:20 AM):
H Sion is G O D
Zar says (4:21 AM):
hahaha Hsion seems extremely strong now
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:21 AM):
H Sion >= F Akiha Vermillion = F Shiki Tohno > C Satsuki
H sion's
214A : high-speed
dash : high-speed
combo damage : improve
and okizeme is become strong
**referring to 214A>air dash 50/50 & 2C>2+A+B shenanigans
Zar says (4:30 AM):
which characters does jeff-san believe are the worst (or unuseable)?
JeffreyManson@Ero says (4:30 AM):
F-Neco Arc, F Neco & Mech-Hisui **the team
I have an idea of which people will be making switches (in US) should we ever see the light of a console port...I'm not naming names though lol :mystery:
kukukuku
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i'm quite skeptical at vakiha being S-tier, there weren't any notable buffs aside from increased AD untechable time, jC knockdown for crescent and faster j236B startup for half.
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That's only from PS2 to CC, they're dealing with the WHOLE change.
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i'm quite skeptical at vakiha being S-tier, there weren't any notable buffs aside from increased AD untechable time, jC knockdown for crescent and faster j236B startup for half.
Not really that unreasonable to suggest that she's S, though this is a little early for a tier list. While so many characters had their big damage nerfed, FVakiha retained her big damage. In midscreen it costs her meter to get her big damage. An almost universal damage nerf makes life a lot easier for VAkiha since her defense is so low. She has strong zoning, respectable pressure, and simple effective mixups. Meaty tk puffball beats wakeup heat, OS throw tech, mashing, and almost every reversal.
And in the last MBAA tier list
S: H-Kohaku H-VSion H-Shiki C-Mech
A+: F-Maids C-Kohaku C-Shiki C/F-Miyako H/F-Nero
A: C-Nanaya C-Warc F-Arc F-Aoko F-VAkiha C-Nero F-Shiki F-Kohaku C-Maids
Most of the characters ranked above her got nerfed; many of them very badly. Not really all that surprising that she would move up.
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I'll be the one to break the ice sry
Has there been any character rankings from arcadia or anything as of late? Stuff that doesn't matter to me since I'll never be able to play this game but I thought it would be nice to know.
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Yeah I'm wondering about changes too to see if JP has discovered anything interesting with the characters.
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You might remember that ECOLE said UNIB will be featured in an Arcadia issue,your best bet is to wait for it,even though it might or might not have an MBAACC tierlist.
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Since the game was just patched, I'm curious - what do the final tiers for prepatch MBAACC look like?
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For the most part, they were exactly the same. They were agreed upon by pretty much everybody so Kiriya never got around to asking 20 players. I do remember Leo posting his own personal list though, which was also more or less the same, except with him putting Ryougi and Ries at A.
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Powered Ciel should be top tier.Not to say that for me she is a bit overpowered.
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I wouldn't jump to that conclusion so fast. Besides Day 1 Powerd Ciel I haven't seen her winning remarkably and it's to be expected that people don't yet know how to deal with a new character. I will however place $5 on Kohaku and Maids coming up as S rank.
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So, no new tier lists so far? ???
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Character ranking that is generally agreed upon by the Japanese BBS right now
S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
There's also a note about the characters Nero, Hisui, Sion, and Akiha. Curbeh translated it as "Depends on the person (player) but these would fall out from A ranking".
Kanna's list
A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol), PCiel
A Everybody else
A- VSion
SAT's list
A+ Kohaku HisuKoha Ryougi PCiel
A Everyobdy else
A- (Nero) Mech-Hisui VSion
Nero is special to SAT(obviously), so there's some note explaining why he thinks Nero is hovering between A- and A. I don't really feel like translating it...
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A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol)
:laffo:
Ryougi at S is a bit surprising but the rest of the list makes sense.
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S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
There's also a note about the characters Nero, Hisui, Sion, and Akiha. Curbeh translated it as "Depends on the person (player) but these would fall out from A ranking".
Kanna's list
A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol), PCiel
A Everybody else
A- VSion
SAT's list
A+ Kohaku HisuKoha Ryougi PCiel
A Everyobdy else
A- (Nero) Mech-Hisui VSion
Nero is special to SAT(obviously), so there's some note explaining why he thinks Nero is hovering between A- and A. I don't really feel like translating it...
Wow, they must really be having trouble with Ryougi. She does have some improvements since the last version.
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Very hated character.
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Except for Leo, that's pretty much true.
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Kanna's list
A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol), PCiel
A Everybody else
A- VSion
best list
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Very hated character.
Will I be treated like shit since I'm switching to her? :/
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S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
There's also a note about the characters Nero, Hisui, Sion, and Akiha. Curbeh translated it as "Depends on the person (player) but these would fall out from A ranking".
Kanna's list
A+ Leo's Ryougi(he really wrote this lol), PCiel
A Everybody else
A- VSion
SAT's list
A+ Kohaku HisuKoha Ryougi PCiel
A Everyobdy else
A- (Nero) Mech-Hisui VSion
Nero is special to SAT(obviously), so there's some note explaining why he thinks Nero is hovering between A- and A. I don't really feel like translating it...
Huh, don't think I've seen a tier list that believably puts everyone in just the "A" tier. That's some good balance there.
Except for Leo's Ryougi. That dude needs nerfing.
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I don't see why it's a surprise that Ryougi players get treated like shit. It's not untrue for America/MBAA let alone in Japan.
Get used to it or switch to Len... wait...
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Nice to see Warc back to her usual(high tier)self.Also I dont know if Nanaya should be in the same pool as killers like Tohno and Arc,but overall,I agree with the lists.
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S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
These are the top tier characters?
F this game.
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I don't really care about tiers so much, but when it comes down to character strength, I'd say Kohaku/PCL/HisuKoha/Ryougi are pretty far from S-tier.
Remember what a tier is - a comparison of how a character performs in matchups against all other characters (assessing their strength in the game.) Like Nero in MBAA, P-CL has some really bad matchups. C/F Koha aren't what they used to be (especially after cactus nerf). The OTG Relaunch doesn't really benefit either of them too much. OKAY PFHOR SHUT UP I DON'T EAT SLEEP AND BREATHE HAGI/IEDA C-KOHA VIDS
Maybe a bit of a different story for Hisu-Koha/Ryougi. Same can be said for Hisu/Koha about cactus, but I don't think it effects them as badly, and Ryougi getting buffs is pretty crazy. Maybe they're up there, but I don't think any of them are straight up unfair. Like Kanna and Sat said, it's probably a A+/A/A- difference at best.
I'd say Seifuku and Satsuki are floating up there around Hisu-Koha and Ryougi, personally. Satsuki's normals are much better now, and Seifuku's carry you to corner from anywhere and do 5k feels bad man.
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Remember what a tier is - a comparison of how a character performs in matchups against all other characters (assessing their strength in the game.) Like Nero in MBAA, P-CL has some really bad matchups. C/F Koha aren't what they used to be (especially after cactus nerf). The OTG Relaunch doesn't really benefit either of them too much.
Did you just say OTG relaunch doesnt really benefit C-Koha?
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I don't really care about tiers so much, but when it comes down to character strength, I'd say Kohaku/PCL/HisuKoha/Ryougi are pretty far from S-tier.
Remember what a tier is - a comparison of how a character performs in matchups against all other characters (assessing their strength in the game.) Like Nero in MBAA, P-CL has some really bad matchups. C/F Koha aren't what they used to be (especially after cactus nerf). The OTG Relaunch doesn't really benefit either of them too much.
Maybe a bit of a different story for Hisu-Koha/Ryougi. Same can be said for Hisu/Koha about cactus, but I don't think it effects them as badly, and Ryougi getting buffs is pretty crazy. Maybe they're up there, but I don't think any of them are straight up unfair. Like Kanna and Sat said, it's probably a A+/A/A- difference at best.
I'd say Seifuku and Satsuki are floating up there around Hisu-Koha and Ryougi, personally. Satsuki's normals are much better now, and Seifuku's carry you to corner from anywhere and do 5k feels bad man.
I think in general, most players just don't know what to do about Ryougi's gimmicks (this is judging from the match vids of Ieda and Leo). That combined with her buffs I can see the high ranking.
Once they figure out the gimmicks I think she'll drop back down to A tier.
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Leo best character in the game.
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I don't know what the fuck komidol is talking about how otg relaunch doesn't benefit ckohaku.
The idea that she can get any random 2c hit, j.c no tech, 236 (charge)B no tech, whatever and confirm into a knockdown combo or tech punish setup that builds her enough meter to do a johnny setup 99% of the time. FUCK I can't think of a character that benefits MORE from it except maybe csakiha.
This buff made all her AA -> CC nerfs almost irrelevant and shoots her to top tier. You blow my mind Komidol.
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Huh, don't think I've seen a tier list that believably puts everyone in just the "A" tier. That's some good balance there.
Except for Leo's Ryougi. That dude needs nerfing.
Considering the game's lifespan, this is a relatively early tier list and it pretty much just means that everyone is very playable.
I don't really care about tiers so much, but when it comes down to character strength, I'd say Kohaku/PCL/HisuKoha/Ryougi are pretty far from S-tier.
Remember what a tier is - a comparison of how a character performs in matchups against all other characters (assessing their strength in the game.) Like Nero in MBAA, P-CL has some really bad matchups. C/F Koha aren't what they used to be (especially after cactus nerf). The OTG Relaunch doesn't really benefit either of them too much.
Maybe a bit of a different story for Hisu-Koha/Ryougi. Same can be said for Hisu/Koha about cactus, but I don't think it effects them as badly, and Ryougi getting buffs is pretty crazy. Maybe they're up there, but I don't think any of them are straight up unfair. Like Kanna and Sat said, it's probably a A+/A/A- difference at best.
I'd say Seifuku and Satsuki are floating up there around Hisu-Koha and Ryougi, personally. Satsuki's normals are much better now, and Seifuku's carry you to corner from anywhere and do 5k feels bad man.
So who would you say is S-tier instead? I haven't really been keeping up with match videos but please enlighten me about P-CL's really bad matchups.
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lol it feels like I'm on srk right now
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lol it feels like I'm on srk right now
+Heat
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I don't know what the fuck komidol is talking about how otg relaunch doesn't benefit ckohaku.
The idea that she can get any random 2c hit, j.c no tech, 236 (charge)B no tech, whatever and confirm into a knockdown combo or tech punish setup that builds her enough meter to do a johnny setup 99% of the time.
Just to add to this: now C-Koha specifically gets battou loop in corner off command grab and sword loop off in midscreen. That's pretty gdlk :toot:
FUCK I can't think of a character that benefits MORE from it except maybe csakiha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SegFWVWsy4M#t=3m21s :laffo: :laffo:
This buff made all her AA -> CC nerfs almost irrelevant and shoots her to top tier.
Overall, yeah. I'm gonna miss midscreen cactus oki forcing respect though :slowpoke: :psyduck: :slowpoke:
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I think in general, most players just don't know what to do about Ryougi's gimmicks (this is judging from the match vids of Ieda and Leo). That combined with her buffs I can see the high ranking.
Once they figure out the gimmicks I think she'll drop back down to A tier.
Ryougi has gimmicks? Her pressure is really straight forward. Even with the unblockables, I wouldn't call them gimmicky, they're just staggers. Other than that.. she can do what... throw you or overhead you? Not exactly stuff that 95% of the cast can't do.
In my mind when you say gimmick, it makes me think of a shitty pseudo-mix up thing that can be reacted to and punished unless your opponent has never seen it before. Ryougi doesn't really have that. She just hits buttons and hopes they stop holding block.
If Japan is complaining about her, It's probably on account of her health. She was not weak in MBAA and with her health buff and the general damage nerf in CC, it's understandable why it might be obnoxious. It's safer to fuck up now.
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Ryougi has gimmicks?
He's probably referring to her wakeup speed and moving around and hitting buttons.
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This is a preemptive fuck you to every Ryougi player out there. I hate you. I hate your character. I hate you playing your character. I loathe playing against her. It sucks the very essence of enjoyment out of me.
Go to hell. Forever.
Fuck you.
>:T
Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.
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hater's hatin
>:T
Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.
Haven't you played Story Mode? Kohaku WRITES the tier list.
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This is a preemptive fuck you to every Ryougi player out there. I hate you. I hate your character. I hate you playing your character. I loathe playing against her. It sucks the very essence of enjoyment out of me.
Go to hell. Forever.
Fuck you.
>:T
Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.
Don't worry, everything will turn out alright. /hug
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+ heat for the list :>
S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
I can't agree with that x.x. First because Shiki and Satsuki seems much much stronger then Warcueid, Miyako and Len. Also PCiel seems much much stronger then Kohaku, Maids and Ryougi too. Everybody else A? It doesnt even make sense x.x. I can't agree the game is balanced too =/, but well, I havent played the game...
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I can't agree with that x.x. First because Shiki and Satsuki seems much much stronger then Warcueid, Miyako and Len. Also PCiel seems much much stronger then Kohaku, Maids and Ryougi too. Everybody else A? It doesnt even make sense x.x. I can't agree the game is balanced too =/, but well, I havent played the game...
Considering the game's lifespan, this is a relatively early tier list and it pretty much just means that everyone is very playable.
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Ryougi has gimmicks?
He's probably referring to her wakeup speed and moving around and hitting buttons.
The wake-up speed is definitely broken, but it's not gimmicky. There's legitimately nothing people can do to stop it which makes it too solid to be called a gimmick. It may be bullshit, but it is definitely not a gimmick.
As for moving around and hitting buttons... well if neither player knows how to space, the one with the longer penis normally pokes the other's eye out. It just so happens that Ryougi's penis is gigantic and she's flailing it around like a toy.
By all means call it bullshit. I don't support the idea that her gameplay is gimmicky though.
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oh boy a tier list discussion
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oh boy a tier list discussion
+heat
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Wonder how people treat pciel player then
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The wake-up speed is definitely broken, but it's not gimmicky. There's legitimately nothing people can do to stop it which makes it too solid to be called a gimmick. It may be bullshit, but it is definitely not a gimmick.
As for moving around and hitting buttons... well if neither player knows how to space, the one with the longer penis normally pokes the other's eye out. It just so happens that Ryougi's penis is gigantic and she's flailing it around like a toy.
By all means call it bullshit. I don't support the idea that her gameplay is gimmicky though.
There are instances where you can get meaty vs Ryougi. It's nothing BUT gimmicky to mash out stupid stuff(2a/throw) in those instances. I wouldn't call those other things gimmicky either. But there are other things like this that are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvhyo-LqpK4#t=8m53s
Wakeup 214c isn't really a wakeup, doing custom combo in neutral/pressure, with C using 421c to hit people crossup(there's different voice clips for 214c and 421c so this should really never hit people if they know about it), and the air tech attack are some examples of gimmicky things with her. There are also situations, similar to Nanaya mashing on 2a/2c at a distance in pressure, where you have to deal with her mashing even though there are great options to shut it down.
It's not just about being ignorant in how to space vs Ryougi. There are plenty of random bad things she can do that you have to be aware of and understand how to shut down. She isn't a gimmicky character like Necos that rely on that stuff to win matches but that stuff is definitely there.
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Wonder how people treat pciel player then
With respect. She's fun to play against!
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Being an Act Cadenza player looking forward to playing Ryougi in the PC release is suffering.
But in all seriousness, is a list that puts every single character in A tier really being taken seriously?
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haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
(shiki)
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haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
It's always the Ryougi haters...
No, but seriously. Is there any hope for someone who wants to play Ryougi come December 31st, or are these tier lists pretty much definite and we're certain that she's gonna be MBAACC's Ciel?
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haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
It's always the Ryougi haters...
No, but seriously. Is there any hope for someone who wants to play Ryougi come December 31st, or are these tier lists pretty much definite and we're certain that she's gonna be MBAACC's Ciel?
They are never definite.
Also, it's relatively early in the game's lifespan. Not to mention that 1.07 is probably going to be very different.
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Perhaps there's still hope then :mystery:
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It's 2011, use whoever the hell you want already. Fuck haters and relish the salty tears that drip from their skulls as you stand victorious.
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yeah, I may be the one hating but seriously play whoever you want dood~
:prinny:
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haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
It's always the Ryougi haters...
No, but seriously. Is there any hope for someone who wants to play Ryougi come December 31st, or are these tier lists pretty much definite and we're certain that she's gonna be MBAACC's Ciel?
Yeah.. but there are already a million people who play her. She was always strong. The only thing that's changed is that she's getting more attention from the JP community. If you want to play her, play her though. There's no reason you shouldn't.
There are instances where you can get meaty vs Ryougi. It's nothing BUT gimmicky to mash out stupid stuff(2a/throw) in those instances. I wouldn't call those other things gimmicky either. But there are other things like this that are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvhyo-LqpK4#t=8m53s
Wakeup 214c isn't really a wakeup, doing custom combo in neutral/pressure, with C using 421c to hit people crossup(there's different voice clips for 214c and 421c so this should really never hit people if they know about it), and the air tech attack are some examples of gimmicky things with her. There are also situations, similar to Nanaya mashing on 2a/2c at a distance in pressure, where you have to deal with her mashing even though there are great options to shut it down.
It's not just about being ignorant in how to space vs Ryougi. There are plenty of random bad things she can do that you have to be aware of and understand how to shut down. She isn't a gimmicky character like Necos that rely on that stuff to win matches but that stuff is definitely there.
I see what you're saying but for some reason I can't bring myself to call some of the stuff gimmicks.
I don't really know much about trying to confuse people with C's 214c/421c or applications of custom combos outside of combos. I only play H and haven't bothered to experiment much with the other moons. The air tech I can definitely give you. It's pretty unnecessary. But I think 214a is just a strong zoning tool. I don't think it's gimmicky. You'll definitely get punished if you over use it but...
I think we need a formal definition of gimmick.
I'm probably just biased I guess... Haha..ha..
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Tiers? I only see tears.
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Tiers? I only see tears.
There's a difference?
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A gimmick is something that only works if your opponent doesn't know how to beat it. Syn. cheese.
Another way to think about it is your success relies entirely on your opponent, sans execution errors.
Haven't you played Story Mode? Kohaku WRITES the tier list.
requesting more info.
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A gimmick is something that only works if your opponent doesn't know how to beat it. Syn. cheese.
Another way to think about it is your success relies entirely on your opponent, sans execution errors.
I agree with this definition.
I don't recall exactly how many times I've seen players get hit by 214a/b in vids. They just don't know how to block it for some reason. They've been figuring out to block 421c high but Ieda's post-421 mixups are getting them.
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A gimmick is something that only works if your opponent doesn't know how to beat it. Syn. cheese.
Another way to think about it is your success relies entirely on your opponent, sans execution errors.
I don't know. I feel like if you define it that way it kinda includes everything. You and not your opponent are ultimately the one that decides the frequency and position of all your attacks. There's no way anything can rely on your opponent's actions alone.
Waiting for someone to start jumping and stop thinking and then hitting them with 214a is not a gimmick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuE2YTqUv8Q <- Ryougi Gimmick
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Using a 214a because you think they will jump isn't a gimmick. Spamming 214a because they don't know how to beat it is. In this case the individual move isn't the gimmick, the strategy behind it is. Spam projectiles, gimmick. Zone with projectiles, anti-airing when necessary, not gimmick.
In high level play the only legitimate reason to go for a gimmick is if you think your opponent doesn't know how to beat it. If you have any other reason for going for it, like it beats their move x, it isn't a gimmick.
What if my strategy is to only dp in grab, and do no other attacks? It's certainly not the best way to play, but it would depend on the matchup if it's a gimmick or not. With Ciel using 22b and grab you could just mash 2a all day and win, thus it's a gimmick. Now with Nananya doing that it might be a legitimate, albeit bad, strategy.
I originally had a slightly different way of wording the definition, and it's bugging me that I can't remember it.
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So there aren't gimmicky moves, only gimmicky strategies? That seems to make sense.
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It's 2011, use whoever the hell you want already. Fuck haters and relish the salty tears that drip from their skulls as you stand victorious.
+Heat'd, Signatured, Tweeted, sent to 8 different IRC channels, and put in my **AOL Instant Messenger Profile**. :V :V :V :prinny: :prinny: :toot: :toot: :toot: :prinny: :prinny: :prinny: :psyduck: :slowpoke: :prinny: :toot: :prinny: :prinny: :V :V :V
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You should add but in 2012 you better switch your character or I'll destroy the world.
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Ryougi players are treated like shit
Victims
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Ryougi players are portrayed as the victims
They don't wanna be portrayed as the victims.
BTW fkouma is fucking amazing.
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Ryougi players are portrayed as the victims
They don't wanna be portrayed as the victims.
BTW fkouma is fucking amazing.
Why are we treated as victims?! We just love the character is all. Oh yeah I'm learing F-Kouma too ;D
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i'd define a gimmick as a visual trick that only tricks the opponent because he doesn't understand how it works
the reason he doesn't know how to deal with it is because he doesn't know how it works; if he did know then the solution would be obvious
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Aside from it needing to be visual that's basically what I said in different words.
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Any news on that?
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I made my personal tier list if anyone's interested:
(http://puu.sh/41aG2.jpg)
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I wouldn't put HArc and HNero on the same level of CArc, CRoa, FVAkiha, and FHime.
EDIT: I can't tell Akihas apart.
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I wouldn't put HArc and HNero on the same level of CArc, CRoa, FVAkiha, and FHime.
EDIT: I can't tell Akihas apart.
Thanks for the reply. I might be wrong after all since it's different from most of the opinions of players much better then me, but it's still the way I think:
The reason H Arcueid is A+ imo is that she has good strings with lots of moves that moves forward, excellent air vs. air set, very dangerous jump-ins on block, incredible damage output (probably one of the highests) with okizeme ender, good mixups, 2 crossups, high life, can otg relaunch out of sweeps with 623C, can confirm corner okizeme combo out of anything.
H Nero is because he has lots of good different tools and doesnt lose Nero's basic main attacks. In the other hand his special moves arent as good as C and F to use on neutral to cover you, but I think H Nero doesnt need it, he's supposedly to be played differently, I think he has some serious potential with the tools he have to play a more agressive style. It's Nero after all...
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Maybe I don't know the character well enough, but I can't think of any mixup HArc has that I'm scared of.
I don't know anything about HNero, though. I just don't know what can overcome the lack of 5[C], good specials, and meter.
My Personal Tierlist™ would be something like this:
Sei, Nero, Roa
Hime, Arc, VAkiha, PCL
Satsuki, Maids, Koha, Nana, KohaMech
Hisui, Aoko, Tohno, Warc
Ciel, Len, Wara, Ries, WLen, Sion, Akiha
Ryougi, Kouma, Mech, Miya, VSion
Meko, Mech
NA
NAC
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C-Akiha A+ tier...what the fuck am I reading.
Are we even playing the same game?
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C-Akiha is GO1 tier. He could probably even make F-Sei look like a B-tier chara.
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Always interesting to see other ppl's opinions. Thanks for putting in the time to put in the moons as well.
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C-Akiha A+ tier...what the fuck am I reading.
Are we even playing the same game?
Hey, at least he has F-mech in the right spot...
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C-Akiha A+ tier...what the fuck am I reading.
Are we even playing the same game?
Hey, at least he has F-mech in the right spot...
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Hey, at least it's not HMech
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C-Akiha A+ tier...what the fuck am I reading.
Are we even playing the same game?
Hey, at least he has F-mech in the right spot...
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Hey, at least it's not HMech
look man, h-mech is S tier. no one knows it yet.
just wait till O masters her and becomes the GOAT.
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HMech, the CSei slayer. King of kings.
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Necropost. I Heard things have changed a bit in the last few years. Whats everyone's opinions now?
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This is my personal list:
Roa, Hime
Arc, VAkiha, Sei, PCL, Koha, KohaMech, Nero, Aoko
Maids, Nanaya, Satsuki
Hisui, Tohno, Warc, WLen
Ciel, Sion, Len, Wara, Akiha, Ries
VSion, Ryougi, Kouma, Mech, Meko, Miya
NA
NAC
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http://pastebin.com/ZgtC2DQj here's an archive of JP tiers from a JP BBS compiled by grungrah.
When I spoke to JefferyManson he said he personal list was:
In general,
SS:F-hime C-roa
S:F-Vakiha, C-arc, C-seifuku, C-kohaku, C-Nrvnqsr, F-Pciel, F-aoko
S-A? : C-Warachia, C-nanaya
but i think
S::F-Vakiha, C-arc, C-seifuku, C-kohaku, C-Nrvnqsr, "H-kohamech", F-Pciel, F-aoko
But I would say my personal list is:
S: C-Roa, C-Arc, F-Hime, CF-Nero, H-Kohamech, C-Seifuku
and then following Butterfree's general character list from there.
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Looks like everyone's pretty much in agreement.
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Wow F moon takeover. I didnt expect full PCL over Half
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S=Strongest, A=Strong, B=Low-End Strong, C=Average, E=Excluded
Who came up with this?
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C: Riesbyfe, V-Sion, Mech-Hisui, Miyako
You're missing Kouma in that C tier according to the japanese. I disagree with them on that aspect tho, I think F-Kouma is pretty solid. I'd just trade Warc and Kouma's positions in that list and call it a day.
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Since my outdated list was going around, I made a new one, lol. Let's see how this one will age. The funny thing is that A looks like low tier lol.
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o743/Cristuu/tier%202016_zpstjilauo1.png)
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Is this your personal list or is it based on japanese pro scene?
PS:Wasn't C-Ryougi regarded as more trashy than her H- version?
PS2: nevermind, I saw the side scroll lol
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It's just his own opinion.
EDIT: Honestly, Cristu's opinions of tiers is always radically different from most people's.
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Is this your personal list or is it based on japanese pro scene?
Actually on both, but the potential is the most important. For example C Satsuki, which a friend mentioned was a little off. I think her neutral might be almost as good as C Seifuku since she has awesome ground normals and specials and also high priority air normals. She can also combo off most situations really well (even OTG) into mix-ups with good damage, but I think her mix-ups are much more dangerous then C Seifuku's. I never really had a problem blocking C Sei's mix-ups. Satsuki's 4-way in the other hand, I can only hope for the best. Also she has better wake-up options, including a 22 reversal.
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Is this your personal list or is it based on japanese pro scene?
Actually on both, but the potential is the most important. For example C Satsuki, which a friend mentioned was a little off. I think her neutral might be almost as good as C Seifuku since she has awesome ground normals and specials and also high priority air normals. She can also combo off most situations really well (even OTG) into mix-ups with good damage, but I think her mix-ups are much more dangerous then C Seifuku's. I never really had a problem blocking C Sei's mix-ups. Satsuki's 4-way in the other hand, I can only hope for the best. Also she has better wake-up options, including a 22 reversal.
Hm, I see. Another thing I find interesting in that tier list is that you list C and H-PCiel above F-PCiel? Why is that? They both have some bad match ups compared to F IMO and their defense is pretty bad compared to your average character. I do think that C Pciel is the most fun to learn and play, but I woudn't put her on S tier.
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Hm, I see. Another thing I find interesting in that tier list is that you list C and H-PCiel above F-PCiel? Why is that? They both have some bad match ups compared to F IMO and their defense is pretty bad compared to your average character. I do think that C Pciel is the most fun to learn and play, but I woudn't put her on S tier.
I think C P.Ciel horizontal laser is ridiculously good in neutral and also very good for mix-ups. If the opponent jumps, which is likely, since she dominates the ground with lasers, she can anti air, which is rare trait in Melty, and if that move whiff or get blocked (the super is air unblockable), she's in a good position in neutral. She also has a chargeable overhead that can be canceled midway into a low, which can be very tricky to block and a really good cross-up. The throw, that can be incorporated in the mix-up, leads to relatively big damage and good oki. Also she always gets good damage and good oki. I think F is really strong though. About H, she has even better mix-up potential, the vertical lasers are also strong (and annoying) and the damage is even higher. She has neutral, huge damage and oki with strong mix-ups.