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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2011, 01:16:24 PM »
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2011, 01:25:06 PM »
I don't know what the fuck komidol is talking about how otg relaunch doesn't benefit ckohaku.

The idea that she can get any random 2c hit, j.c no tech, 236 (charge)B no tech, whatever and confirm into a knockdown combo or tech punish setup that builds her enough meter to do a johnny setup 99% of the time. FUCK I can't think of a character that benefits MORE from it except maybe csakiha.

This buff made all her AA -> CC nerfs almost irrelevant and shoots her to top tier. You blow my mind Komidol.

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2011, 01:30:25 PM »
Huh, don't think I've seen a tier list that believably puts everyone in just the "A" tier. That's some good balance there.

Except for Leo's Ryougi. That dude needs nerfing.

Considering the game's lifespan, this is a relatively early tier list and it pretty much just means that everyone is very playable.

I don't really care about tiers so much, but when it comes down to character strength, I'd say Kohaku/PCL/HisuKoha/Ryougi are pretty far from S-tier. 

Remember what a tier is - a comparison of how a character performs in matchups against all other characters (assessing their strength in the game.)  Like Nero in MBAA, P-CL has some really bad matchups.  C/F Koha aren't what they used to be (especially after cactus nerf).  The OTG Relaunch doesn't really benefit either of them too much. 

Maybe a bit of a different story for Hisu-Koha/Ryougi.  Same can be said for Hisu/Koha about cactus, but I don't think it effects them as badly, and Ryougi getting buffs is pretty crazy.  Maybe they're up there, but I don't think any of them are straight up unfair.  Like Kanna and Sat said, it's probably a A+/A/A- difference at best. 

I'd say Seifuku and Satsuki are floating up there around Hisu-Koha and Ryougi, personally.  Satsuki's normals are much better now, and Seifuku's carry you to corner from anywhere and do 5k feels bad man.

So who would you say is S-tier instead? I haven't really been keeping up with match videos but please enlighten me about P-CL's really bad matchups.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2011, 01:33:57 PM »
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2011, 01:44:01 PM »
lol it feels like I'm on srk right now

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2011, 01:51:55 PM »
I don't know what the fuck komidol is talking about how otg relaunch doesn't benefit ckohaku.

The idea that she can get any random 2c hit, j.c no tech, 236 (charge)B no tech, whatever and confirm into a knockdown combo or tech punish setup that builds her enough meter to do a johnny setup 99% of the time.

Just to add to this: now C-Koha specifically gets battou loop in corner off command grab and sword loop off in midscreen.  That's pretty gdlk :toot:

FUCK I can't think of a character that benefits MORE from it except maybe csakiha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SegFWVWsy4M#t=3m21s  :laffo: :laffo:

This buff made all her AA -> CC nerfs almost irrelevant and shoots her to top tier.

Overall, yeah.  I'm gonna miss midscreen cactus oki forcing respect though  :slowpoke: :psyduck: :slowpoke:
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2011, 02:35:43 PM »
I think in general, most players just don't know what to do about Ryougi's gimmicks (this is judging from the match vids of Ieda and Leo). That combined with her buffs I can see the high ranking.

Once they figure out the gimmicks I think she'll drop back down to A tier.

Ryougi has gimmicks? Her pressure is really straight forward. Even with the unblockables, I wouldn't call them gimmicky, they're just staggers. Other than that.. she can do what... throw you or overhead you? Not exactly stuff that 95% of the cast can't do. 

In my mind when you say gimmick, it makes me think of a shitty pseudo-mix up thing that can be reacted to and punished unless your opponent has never seen it before. Ryougi doesn't really have that. She just hits buttons and hopes they stop holding block.

If Japan is complaining about her, It's probably on account of her health. She was not weak in MBAA and with her health buff and the general damage nerf in CC, it's understandable why it might be obnoxious. It's safer to fuck up now.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2011, 03:10:31 PM »
Ryougi has gimmicks?

He's probably referring to her wakeup speed and moving around and hitting buttons.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2011, 03:27:49 PM »
This is a preemptive fuck you to every Ryougi player out there. I hate you. I hate your character. I hate you playing your character. I loathe playing against her. It sucks the very essence of enjoyment out of me.

 Go to hell. Forever.

Fuck you.

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Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2011, 03:38:37 PM »
hater's hatin

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Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.

Haven't you played Story Mode?  Kohaku WRITES the tier list. 
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2011, 03:44:43 PM »
This is a preemptive fuck you to every Ryougi player out there. I hate you. I hate your character. I hate you playing your character. I loathe playing against her. It sucks the very essence of enjoyment out of me.

 Go to hell. Forever.

Fuck you.

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Also jesus does FB have a hard on for Kohaku? Come the fuck on already.

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2011, 04:49:47 PM »
+ heat for the list :>

S Kohaku PCiel HisuKoha Ryougi
A+ Shiki Arc Nanaya Warc Satsuki Miyako Len Aoko
A Everybody else
A- VSion Mech-Hisui
I can't agree with that x.x. First because Shiki and Satsuki seems much much stronger then Warcueid, Miyako and Len. Also PCiel seems much much stronger then Kohaku, Maids and Ryougi too. Everybody else A? It doesnt even make sense x.x. I can't agree the game is balanced too =/, but well, I havent played the game...
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2011, 04:58:39 PM »
I can't agree with that x.x. First because Shiki and Satsuki seems much much stronger then Warcueid, Miyako and Len. Also PCiel seems much much stronger then Kohaku, Maids and Ryougi too. Everybody else A? It doesnt even make sense x.x. I can't agree the game is balanced too =/, but well, I havent played the game...


Considering the game's lifespan, this is a relatively early tier list and it pretty much just means that everyone is very playable.

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2011, 05:01:17 PM »
Ryougi has gimmicks?

He's probably referring to her wakeup speed and moving around and hitting buttons.

The wake-up speed is definitely broken, but it's not gimmicky. There's legitimately nothing people can do to stop it which makes it too solid to be called a gimmick. It may be bullshit, but it is definitely not a gimmick.

As for moving around and hitting buttons... well if neither player knows how to space, the one with the longer penis normally pokes the other's eye out. It just so happens that Ryougi's penis is gigantic and she's flailing it around like a toy. 

By all means call it bullshit. I don't support the idea that her gameplay is gimmicky though.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2011, 05:03:29 PM »
oh boy a tier list discussion

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2011, 05:04:46 PM »
oh boy a tier list discussion

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2011, 06:24:48 PM »
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Wonder how people treat pciel player then
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« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2011, 06:29:59 PM »
The wake-up speed is definitely broken, but it's not gimmicky. There's legitimately nothing people can do to stop it which makes it too solid to be called a gimmick. It may be bullshit, but it is definitely not a gimmick.

As for moving around and hitting buttons... well if neither player knows how to space, the one with the longer penis normally pokes the other's eye out. It just so happens that Ryougi's penis is gigantic and she's flailing it around like a toy. 

By all means call it bullshit. I don't support the idea that her gameplay is gimmicky though.

There are instances where you can get meaty vs Ryougi.  It's nothing BUT gimmicky to mash out stupid stuff(2a/throw) in those instances.  I wouldn't call those other things gimmicky either.  But there are other things like this that are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvhyo-LqpK4#t=8m53s

Wakeup 214c isn't really a wakeup, doing custom combo in neutral/pressure, with C using 421c to hit people crossup(there's different voice clips for 214c and 421c so this should really never hit people if they know about it), and the air tech attack are some examples of gimmicky things with her.  There are also situations, similar to Nanaya mashing on 2a/2c at a distance in pressure, where you have to deal with her mashing even though there are great options to shut it down. 

It's not just about being ignorant in how to space vs Ryougi.  There are plenty of random bad things she can do that you have to be aware of and understand how to shut down.  She isn't a gimmicky character like Necos that rely on that stuff to win matches but that stuff is definitely there. 
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2011, 06:34:36 PM »
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People at the arcades treat Ryougi players like shit according to Komidol lol
Wonder how people treat pciel player then

With respect.  She's fun to play against!
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2011, 06:41:56 PM »
Being an Act Cadenza player looking forward to playing Ryougi in the PC release is suffering.

But in all seriousness, is a list that puts every single character in A tier really being taken seriously?

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2011, 06:47:48 PM »
haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2011, 06:53:56 PM »
haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
It's always the Ryougi haters...

No, but seriously. Is there any hope for someone who wants to play Ryougi come December 31st, or are these tier lists pretty much definite and we're certain that she's gonna be MBAACC's Ciel?

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2011, 07:01:33 PM »
haha ryougi is for stupid ugly people
It's always the Ryougi haters...

No, but seriously. Is there any hope for someone who wants to play Ryougi come December 31st, or are these tier lists pretty much definite and we're certain that she's gonna be MBAACC's Ciel?

They are never definite.

Also, it's relatively early in the game's lifespan.  Not to mention that 1.07 is probably going to be very different.
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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2011, 07:12:57 PM »
Perhaps there's still hope then :mystery:

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Re: MBAACC Tiers
« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2011, 07:32:41 PM »
It's 2011, use whoever the hell you want already. Fuck haters and relish the salty tears that drip from their skulls as you stand victorious.