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Misaki Town Bakery => Melty Blood Auditorium => : ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro February 26, 2007, 09:42:42 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Does any body have one?
Im jus currious cause ive never seen a MB teir list before.
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Last I heard, not sure if it was ver A or B, but Shiki Tohno & Warcuied top then bottom was Miyako and Ren. Anybody can correct me if I'm wrong of course, plus that would be cleared up anyway with an actual tier list.
I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but Shiki Tohno I have no doubts about.
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The latest Tougeki damashii didn't have a verB tierlist, BUT it did have a list of which characters that had become stonger, weaker and those who stayed about at the same level.
LvldUp -> Arcueid Ciel Hisui Neco-Arc V.Sion Warachia Aoko Kouma
SameLvl -> Akiha Kohaku Ren Miyako Nanaya Shiki Mecha-Hisui Tohno Shiki Satsuki
LvlDown -> Sion AkaAkiha Warcueid Kohaku&Hisui Nero Chaos
But as I said, there are no tierlist.
They also wrote down why they hade becomre stronger/weaker, but i'm not prioritizing translating that. Instead i'll try to translate other meltygameplay-related stuff. Cheers.
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How the heck did they nerf Hisukoha... and why?? Granted, no one at sbo was playing them to their potential, but blah.
As for characters generally viewed as strong(not always easy/scrubby): V Akiha, Akiha(by most people, but no one plays her), Wara, Len, Shiki Tohno, Satsuki, Warc and Sion.
I would say Melty tiers don't matter, but when I look back at SBO 2k6 finals.. all there was was top tier so hmmm. Now that we have lost a lot of the broken of Ver A though, I think it's safe to say that tiers don't figure in for the most part, but certain characters are just a lot easier to be good at then others.
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MB has tiers, but they're not as important or immediately relevant as other games.
And using SBO as an a means to argue otherwise is a moot point as that version is long gone.
;p
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Is neko even played seriously at all? or is it just ignored?
i mean it seems really bad because of NO range... but its hitbox is tinyso....
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her groudn dash and air dash is not so hot :/ making it some what hard to get in on people with her ><
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Air dash is HILARIOUS tho. ;D
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She also has the worst stamina in the game. Yes, worse than V. Akiha's. So even using reverse beats in your combos just to get them to work against her small hitbox will STILL do a lot of damage. ???
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theres gonna be madd neko-arcs at teh next SBO.
shes a beast now.
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theres gonna be madd neko-arcs at teh next SBO.
shes a beast now.
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YAY!
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While searching the internet for some Warcueid-information (she's probably becoming my new main alt) I stumbled upon a tier-list for Version B, though not as official as the Tougeki-damashii tierlists i've been posting, it is still interresting.
*translated information*
S:Sion, Kouma
A+:HisuKoha, Hisui, Warcueid, Akiha Tohno, AkaAkiha, Arcueid, M.Hisui, Tohno Shiki
A :Aoko, Ciel, Warakia, Nanaya, Miyako, Satsuki, Kohaku
B+: V.Sion, Nero, Ren
B:White Ren, Neco-Arc
S:-rank
Sion
2C Superarmor-brokeness, DP's invisibility、shear Fightingpower
Kouma
236 Superarmor-brokeness、High damage、623 being airunblockable
A+-rank
HisuKoha
Alot of characters has problems with Kohakus mixups, and the rushdown is also good. Hisui as main is strong.
Hisui
Mixups from throw、High damage、Strong Fightingpower、2C has become alot stronger. j2C is also strong.
Warcueid
Damage has gone down but, B is still efficient、and her fightingpower is overall better.
Akiha
Fightingpower feels more stable. The most longlived character (high def).
AkaAkiha
j2C has become alot weaker and still dies fast. But her Fightingpower and rushdown is still strong.
Arcueid
jC、high damage, stable fightingpower.
M.Hisui
From VerA some of her closecombat moves has become stronger. Damage is allright. Was not sure wether to put her in A+ or A.
Shiki Tohno
Even though he has become weaker, options and damage are still strong enough to be recconed with. And he has alot of good moves. Was not sure wether to put her in A+ or A.
A-rank
Aoko
Specials has become stronger, by having 3 jumps her fightingpower is good.Was not sure wether to put her in A+ or A.
Ciel
C-C shieldcancel -> new pressure. good rushdown and alot of good moves overall.
Warakia
I was thinking of puting him in A+ but 2B rebalancing and his amout of options has gone down, thus ending up in A.
Nanaya
5A as AA is weakened, defense weakened, thus A-rank. Still has his nasty pressure though.
Miyako
jC is good. Good rushdown, but still not enough for A+-rank.
Satsuki
5A is weakened, damage also weakened. 2C ALSO weakened. But her game is still as solid as ever though.
Kohaku
jC->cactus damage has gone down, but still has a good highlow.
B+-rank
V.Sion
jC (and options) are good. In theory. her game ain’t that good so I put her in B+.
Nero
Wih the changes on the mantis, his damage has gone down. But still has a good game.
Ren
Defense and catwalk has both gone down. Has doesn’t feel that she has gotten any positive changes, perhaps just an overall nerf?
B-rank.
White Ren
Okizeme and damage are OK but her fightingpower just aint that good. You kinda have to get the advantage by jumping somehow.
Neco-Arc
High-jump Get! It’s not that she is as superweak as before, but hmm.. It just feels like she has no hope when it comes on gaining the upperhand in a match.
*own comments*
Well, like I said even though it ain't anything 'official' we all know that ppl like tierlists ;D I didn't expect anyone to put Kouma on top though...
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i'm still new to the game and my 2 characters are nero and sion. i want to start playing it seriously but i only have the ps2 version. are these difference major enough to change a tide in the game.
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the only major things i can see are for neco arc and White Len being there.. other then that if ur playing verB for ps2.. the switch to Arcade i dotn' think will hinder you from doing anything.. so i guess ur good for now :o
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blablabla
yes well i think most of it makes sence thanks for posting this. You win a magic curcuit for that.
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White Len ;.;
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I can't agree with White Len being in the same teir as Neco-Arc. No matter how gimicky you lay neco-arc you still die in two combos, and your options for damage/moveement just aren't that great. White Len has some of the same problems, but she has a *lot* more potential for damage and mixup than neco-arc could ever dream of. Either that, or I just havn't played a good neco-arc or something. I lose to players above/around my skill level that play White len a fair amount just on the fact that i have no idea what is happening for the better part of the matches.
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verB2
God : sion
S: hisui warc kouma
A: aoko vermillion nanaya
B: Vsion miyako akiha kohaku ren ciel satsuki mech
C: arc shiki nero warakia
D: wlen neco necaosu
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are you serious? wow, time to switch to kohahisu. What changed with nero?
Oh yeah- what game center do you play at?
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S tier MOTHERFUCKERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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damn i thought arc got buffed.
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Time to switch to Warc.
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uh... what happen to HisuKoha?
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S tier MOTHERFUCKERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Thanks Chibi, I found my character now.
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you're not welcome
>:(
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Thanks Chibi, I found my character now.
you're not welcome
>:(
lol... i can see the luving :p...
anyways... maybe HisuKoha on a tier list of their own :V
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are you serious? wow, time to switch to kohahisu. What changed with nero?
Oh yeah- what game center do you play at?
akabane station's
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God Tier, huh...
Usually i would feel bad about playing god tier, but eh...
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yeah, I feel the same way, I mean, if I could use her to that potential maybe I'd feel bad about it.
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MID-TIER SACCHIN REPRESENT, YO.
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MID-TIER SACCHIN REPRESENT, YO.
She's cheap. What with her attacks dealing damage and everything. Stupid damage.
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MID-TIER SACCHIN REPRESENT, YO.
She's cheap. What with her attacks dealing damage and everything. Stupid damage.
Cheap? Not even remotely as bad as she was in Ver A. Throw loop used to get 4000+ easy, now it usually goes for somewhere in the mid 3000's. Another thing I don't quite know is if 2C was just weakened in terms of damage alone, since the box on it seems to have shrunk or something when looping from 236+C. One of the worst hits of all has to be the hit jC took to speed. I was <-> this <-> close to picking her up, and then I went back to Hisui after I realized that 100% tension means 5000 damage now ;D
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Well instead of random internetsources, lets check out the latest tierlist! This one is from Tougeki Damashii, Vol5. which is somelike the top fightinggame-related magazine in japan.
A-tier
Sion, Akiha Tohno, AkaAkiha
Kouma, Ciel, Ren
A/B-tier
Hisui, M.Hisui
B-tier
Arcueid, Warcueid
V.Sion, Kohaku, KohaHisu
Tohno Shiki, Nanaya Shiki
Warachia, Nero Chaos
Miyako, Satsuki
Aoko, W.Ren
C-tier
NecoArc, NecoArc Chaos
(they also explain the ranking, but that is something for another time and another post)
Also in the Tougeki-magazine, Yukinose writes about Tohno Akiha (combos, gameplay etc), SII writes about Arc, Info 'bout NecoChaos and White Ren, and VerB2-framedata!
But anyways, that is the first 'reliable' tierlist for VerB2. Enjoy
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Akiha is finally top tier? Ren A rank again?!? Hisui > kohi?!?!?!?
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wow.......
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SEE BELL, A CAT IS FINE TOO.
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God someone get Ciel out of that A-rank before every fucker and their landlord run to her now.
:'(
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Mech-Hisui!! pretty high :V
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Blackcat is top tier.
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How the hell did Ciel hit A rank?
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yeah im not seeing it either.
:emo:
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I heard Ciel got most of her Clash frames back for most of her moves even her ground dash :V... other then that i ono what they did to make her that high.. unless they somehwat upped her dmg :O... she is overall a pretty versitile character :X...
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Tougeki Damashii always put up badly judged tier, you better not believe it
it is widely acknowledge that warakia, nero and shiki B2 is very weak
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The other fucking cat is finally not crap tier.
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if VSion was ever in A tier i will laugh :V
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Tougeki Damashii always put up badly judged tier, you better not believe it
it is widely acknowledge that warakia, nero and shiki B2 is very weak
Soooo, basically the scrubby characters are now harder to use. I guess I can't ask for anything more, though I did like the time when shiki was broken.
Nero could go to hell for all I care.
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Shion is quite scrubby and she's at the top of the rankings...
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Ahh Arcueid still right in the middle. That's fine by me.
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I heard Ciel got most of her Clash frames back for most of her moves even her ground dash :V...
hooooorayy!
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I hope it's not widely known that Shiki tohno is weak.. and even so ill still play him
weird that the in between rank (A/B) is Hisui and MH...i thought it might had more in that catagory
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Arc is the hotness :fap:
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arc is hot...
but i hate fighting her hence all my arch rivals are arc players lol
i think Nanaya should be in the A/B... i just think he has alot of options in block strings... and teh like... but meh...
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When I was talking with otoko the other day he was saying he thought that Nanaya was around there too. *shrugs*
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how is neco chaos worse than neco arc?
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how is neco chaos worse than neco arc?
I doubt that he's worse, but rather he's just put in the same tier as her.
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So.. can this matter be any more inconclusive? Do we have any newer tier list?
S:Sion, Kouma
A+:HisuKoha, Hisui, Warcueid, Akiha Tohno, AkaAkiha, Arcueid, M.Hisui, Tohno Shiki
A :Aoko, Ciel, Warakia, Nanaya, Miyako, Satsuki, Kohaku
B+: V.Sion, Nero, Ren
B:White Ren, Neco-Arc
I can agree with this, kinda hard on the Rens and V.Sion, but seems reasonable.
God : sion
S: hisui warc kouma
A: aoko vermillion nanaya
B: Vsion miyako akiha kohaku ren ciel satsuki mech
C: arc shiki nero warakia
D: wlen neco necaosu
I don't agree with this, surely Tohno isn't that low despite his technical nerfing.
Freaking Sion has been high forever, and definitely more scrubby than Shiki, if you ask me. I mean, her attacks have immediately visible potential and freakin easy corner crap since forever.
What's the latest?
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Nero could go to hell for all I care.
yes lol
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Current tier list:
S: The players who don't care about the tier list
C: The players who do care about the tier list.
Seriously if you want an updated tier list go look at an old tier list, read the version changes, and adjust accordingly.
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Yay, I'm S tier!
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honestly i never understood why people ever cared about tier listings.
some characters that would be listed top tier in some games are rediculously stupid to learn.
i say just play whats comfortable (or in some cases, what looks awesome.)
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Some people try to play competitively too. Or at least keep up with the competitive scene and rankings.
There's nothing wrong with that. Tiers don't determine who I play (I actually hate tier whores), but I do care about them.
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my point was that you dont need a top tier character to play competitively. just practice and patience.
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I get mad at people who don't know how to use a tier list and pick a character just because they aren't top tier.
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IMO Sion and Akiha are at the top of the list.... with Satsuki and Tartari right below them.
but yeah...giving someone a supercomputer doesn't make him a genious, the player is the more important factor in winning.
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I get mad at people who don't know how to use a tier list and pick a character just because they aren't top tier.
Well, I started learning Warakia partially because no one uses him. Does that count? :P
I hate tier whores. I don't get tired of saying it ;D
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I hate brain-dead-easy characters that are top-tier, like 3s Chun-Li. I do like high-level characters like Kouma and Sion, though.
What I am interested in is an inter-character matchup chart. I'm curious to see if Japanese consider Nero x V.Akiha, or Aoko x Ciel to be unfair for one or the other.
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I hate brain-dead-easy characters
lol
Mason WT commentary: "Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C ..."
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I hate brain-dead-easy characters
lol
Mason WT commentary: "Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C ..."
Standard for Melbra commentary.
As to tiers, it doesn't really matter to me. I just play whoever makes sense to me. (Yun, Chun, Ibuki, Alex, Makoto, whatever...)
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I hate brain-dead-easy characters
lol
Mason WT commentary: "Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C Jump.C ..."
Standard for Melbra commentary.
As to tiers, it doesn't really matter to me. I just play whoever makes sense to me. (Yun, Chun, Ibuki, Alex, Makoto, whatever...)
"Jump C! Jump C! You know the deal!"
LOL!
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(too lazy to /quote arlieth)
Aoko vs Ciel seems really bad for Aoko.
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i like to tier whore !! omg i said it :blah:
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How do you tier whore? Sounds like you sell the rights to being top tier or something.
Picking top tier = playing smart. Anyone who says otherwise is a scrub.
Picking low tier = free money. ;D
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i just picked random characters and whoever i was comfortable with i would stay with.
i mean i play ken in 3s so some people say the sion or ciel would make sense.
but i guess mech-hisui does too? :mystery:
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Time to switch to Warc.
If you do I quit Mason... xD
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Tiers don't matter in MBAC. Get over it you tier humpers.
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Picking top tier = playing smart. Anyone who says otherwise is a scrub.
Picking low tier = free money.
Tell that to the Japanese, US fag :P
Tier whore = "HAI GUYS KOUMA'S BROKEN I'M PLAYING HIM, ALL OF U ARE SCRUBS", next game: "CIEL'S BROKEN NOW, BYE KOUMA FAGS LOL"
The moment tiers determine who you play, ur doin it wrong.
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Tell that to the Japanese, US fag :P
The Japanse tier whore just as much as the US, even more so.
The moment tiers determine who you play, ur doin it wrong.
Doing what wrong?
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O HEY GUYS LETS ALL PLAY A-VEGA BLANKA BISON!
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The Japanse tier whore just as much as the US, even more so.
WTF. Check something like SBO GG tournament rankings and compare them to the US. In Japan, you'll have Baikens, Anjis, among the regular top tiers. US tournaments are Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Slayer, Eddie... The Japanese don't back down on characters because they're not top tiers, they find techniques around other powerful characters and exploit. That won't (usually) make their characters rise in a tier list, but being low or mid tier doesn't keep them from playing them, and you'll see them in tournaments. US mentality is pretty much the opposite.
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Give me a break and stop sucking their dick, I know the Japanese can make low tier / mid tier characters look damn good, and good job on picking out SBO, but the Japanese sure as fuck tier whore as much as us, you'd have to be an idiot to not see that. Why WOULDN'T they tier whore? Hell, their tier whore scrubs can be as scary as our mid tier experts (to an extent). It's already been proven by countless people who have made the trip there and stayed for extended periods of time.
WTF @ calling Zaelar a 'US Fag', the hell is that for?
:slowpoke:
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Sorry Sylvan, competition exists just as much in Japan as it does in the US. They're more open-minded about trying to find new stuff, but I'm calling you out on being elitist if you think there's something wrong for picking top-tier to win.
Also, I've been playing 3s for eight years running and have been to Japan twice, so I know how Japanese top tier dynamics work. Daigo and Ohnuki keep winning with Ken and Chun-Li, and there's a reason for it.
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The Japanse tier whore just as much as the US, even more so.
WTF. Check something like SBO GG tournament rankings and compare them to the US. In Japan, you'll have Baikens, Anjis, among the regular top tiers. US tournaments are Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Slayer, Eddie... The Japanese don't back down on characters because they're not top tiers, they find techniques around other powerful characters and exploit. That won't (usually) make their characters rise in a tier list, but being low or mid tier doesn't keep them from playing them, and you'll see them in tournaments. US mentality is pretty much the opposite.
I don't really care one way or another on this particular topic/argument. I just thought it was funny that you decided to reference a different fighting game to make a point on a website dedicated to the fighting game your attempting to make a point about.
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I only played Melty since what, February? :V
Using B-Tier Nero to boot :psyduck:
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Why WOULDN'T they tier whore? Hell, their tier whore scrubs can be as scary as our mid tier experts (to an extent). It's already been proven by countless people who have made the trip there and stayed for extended periods of time.
"proven by countless people". "who have made the trip there". Well, sounds good to me, sure would beat my posting tournament rankings. Fail at replying to anything else I said on my last post, though.
Why wouldn't they tier whore? Cause some people enjoy playing the characters they are interested in for whatever reason. And they care enough about playing competitively to look for and use the specific techniques and strategies that can allow them wins over specific characters, regardless of the tiers. It's playing to win, using the characters that you enjoy playing with. This can't be alien to you people if you're all really so into fighting games.
Also, I've been playing 3s for eight years running and have been to Japan twice, so I know how Japanese top tier dynamics work. Daigo and Ohnuki keep winning with Ken and Chun-Li, and there's a reason for it.
Yeah, why hasn't Daigo switched to Yun? He's clearly top-tier.
I just thought it was funny that you decided to reference a different fighting game to make a point on a website dedicated to the fighting game your attempting to make a point about.
This argument is not game-dependant in the very least.
This is all the reply I could produce in this time frame, I have to run.
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Why WOULDN'T they tier whore? Hell, their tier whore scrubs can be as scary as our mid tier experts (to an extent). It's already been proven by countless people who have made the trip there and stayed for extended periods of time.
"proven by countless people". "who have made the trip there". Well, sounds good to me, sure would beat my posting tournament rankings. Fail at replying to anything else I said on my last post, though.
Why wouldn't they tier whore? Cause some people enjoy playing the characters they are interested in for whatever reason. And they care enough about playing competitively to look for and use the specific techniques and strategies that can allow them wins over specific characters, regardless of the tiers. It's playing to win, using the characters that you enjoy playing with. This can't be alien to you people if you're all really so into fighting games.
Also, I've been playing 3s for eight years running and have been to Japan twice, so I know how Japanese top tier dynamics work. Daigo and Ohnuki keep winning with Ken and Chun-Li, and there's a reason for it.
Yeah, why hasn't Daigo switched to Yun? He's clearly top-tier.
I just thought it was funny that you decided to reference a different fighting game to make a point on a website dedicated to the fighting game your attempting to make a point about.
This argument is not game-dependant in the very least.
This is all the reply I could produce in this time frame, I have to run.
Why haven't you learned that people play what they want to play, even if it is tier whoring. Grow up.
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Why hasn't Daigo switched to Yun? Or Makoto? Because Ken is still top-tier. Now you're hitting moron status.
The crux of the matter is that if people want to pick a top-tier character because they want to win above all other priorities (even if they don't like the character design), there's nothing wrong with it. Yet you seem to look down on players who do so. From what kind of authority do you pass your judgment on?
This topic is about Tier listings, not about your naïve idealism. Consider this a warning.
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Testament 9
Faust 8
Eddie 6
Potemkin 6
Sol 6
Baiken 5
Slayer 5
Venom 5
From SBO.
Top 5 in a tier list I think are, in no particular order, Eddie, Slayer, Testament, Potemkin, and Sol. So 5 of the top 8 characters by popularity are top 5 in a tier list. The only one sticking out is Faust. This is in a team format where you can't have the same character twice on a team too.
It's not a coincidence that the people at the top have a majority of top tier users. Just because a few don't use top tier or get carried in a team tournament doesn't make your arguments valid.
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The Japanese tier whore. They're smart enough (and have both the resources + environs) to add more character variety to any game they play, but they 100% tier whore. It's not as aparrent in the US (thanks to the lack of resources + environs) but the Japanese tier whore. The most recent example I can throw out is Daigo switching his team from Ken, Guile, Sagat in CvS2 to A-Are. His old team is just fine but he went and tier whored anyway. I'm also pretty sure Kurodo plays Ken (instead of Q) now too.
Thanks for that update Kevin.
:)
XD @ the Black Star in action.
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Actually, Yukinose backed down on Buri because he was too low-tier, and moved on to a top-tier(Testament).
In Slash, Ogawa backed down on Eddie(for a while), and moved on to Ky because he was top-tier, however he later did move back to Eddie and continued to own just as much. But, the fact that he moved to Ky still stands.
This shit happens all the time with top players in japan, so yeah, the japanese tier whore as much as the US does, if not more.
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Japan is dumb :toot:
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Japan is dumb :toot:
Yeah, but usa is dumber.
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Okay kiddies, move along, now go spam up Sacchin Toast.
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Look at your avatar
Edit: Look at your title
Edit: Look at your signature
Edit: Look at your primarily used character
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Okay... so?..?
What does that have to do with anything?
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peopel should stop spamming and bitching and post Tier lists :blah:
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Top: Me.
Bottom: You.
...so does anyone have anything recently published from a certain Japanese magazine that shall remain nameless since I can't think of the name right now?
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I dunno, I Melty Blood's tier listing is too volatile to take seriously right now. If you want to believe in Tier lists, go right ahead, but you'll have just as hard of a time winning whoever you choose. Even Neco Arc can be good if you know how to play her right.
As for tiers in general, I think fighting games should step it up and make games that are so balanced that tier lists just vanish.
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Tougeki Damashii?
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As for tiers in general, I think fighting games should step it up and make games that are so balanced that tier lists just vanish.
That's always the aim in fighting games. But flawlessly balancing different characters with completely different variables and move sets is arguably approaching impossible. Tier lists will always exist.
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As for tiers in general, I think fighting games should step it up and make games that are so balanced that tier lists just vanish.
That's always the aim in fighting games. But flawlessly balancing different characters with completely different variables and move sets is arguably approaching impossible. Tier lists will always exist.
always unless your name is marvel verses capcom 2 in which case you dont give a damn.
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Tier lists matter. There are good characters and there are bad characters in every game. In rare cases there are broken characters and just "okay" characters (like Accent Core) so it's not so bad, but even in Accent Core's case the amount of bullshit S and A rank characters can do compared to C and D rank characters stands out pretty well.
All this talk about top tier whoring makes me sad. There's absolutely nothing wrong with top tier whoring be it you're Japanese, American, European, Martian, Mooninite, etc. Looking down on someone for wanting to win in a competitive game by picking the best of the best is retarded. Let people play how they want to play, be it tier whoring or not.
The only players I have problems with, and I've said this countless times before, are the schmucks that play only low tier because they're glaring retards. In other words, people that switch characters after a new version is released because their once low tier character is now top-tier or high-tier. Get the fuck over yourself and go do the world a favor by jumping into a meat grinder.
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The only players I have problems with, and I've said this countless times before, are the schmucks that play only low tier because they're glaring retards. In other words, people that switch characters after a new version is released because their once low tier character is now top-tier or high-tier. Get the fuck over yourself and go do the world a favor by jumping into a meat grinder.
Is there actually some sort of semi understandable reason for this?
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When you compare two or more different things, one is always better than the other/rest. Sometimes figuring out which one is nigh impossible, sometimes its obvious. If there are only a couple differences it is usually easy to tell, while when there are more it is harder, but it is also more likely to have a larger difference. For example, World Warrior Ryu vs Ken. Only difference aside from sprites are Ken's kick grab goes further. Not a big deal, but it is obvious that Ken is better due to that. On the other side lets go to MvC2, Storm vs Sentinel vs Ryu. All have major differences, and while Storm and Sentinel are vastly better than Ryu, even though they are both very different it is hard to clearly say which one is better.
When you try to rank things like that, you get what is called a tier list. There are general tier lists that don't care about finding out who is better between Storm and Sentinel and would just put them together, somewhere above Ryu, and then there are ones that would try to get more specific and determine which one is better. Any idiot can tell that if you pick your character based on a tier list you should pick one of the better ones. If you're going to complain about people picking top tier, then where are your complaints about mid/low tier users using top tier attacks for that character? Hypocrite.
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The only players I have problems with, and I've said this countless times before, are the schmucks that play only low tier because they're glaring retards. In other words, people that switch characters after a new version is released because their once low tier character is now top-tier or high-tier. Get the fuck over yourself and go do the world a favor by jumping into a meat grinder.
Is there actually some sort of semi understandable reason for this?
Reason for the hate, or reason why people would switch characters if their character becomes good in the next revision?
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The latter
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Who knows what goes on in their minds, but it's more than likely some holier-than-thou attitude/mind set. Common sayings for these little retards are "lol I beat you with a low tier character" if they win, and "I lost because my character is low tier" if they lose. Again, I hate those little bastards.
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All this talk about top tier whoring makes me sad. There's absolutely nothing wrong with top tier whoring be it you're Japanese, American, European, Martian, Mooninite, etc. Looking down on someone for wanting to win in a competitive game by picking the best of the best is retarded. Let people play how they want to play, be it tier whoring or not.
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The only players I have problems with, and I've said this countless times before, are the schmucks that play only low tier because they're glaring retards. In other words, people that switch characters after a new version is released because their once low tier character is now top-tier or high-tier. Get the fuck over yourself and go do the world a favor by jumping into a meat grinder.
Can you say hypocrite :V
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Even Neco Arc can be good if you know how to play her right.
thats like how some people say twelve can be good if you play him right.
even yamazaki is a beast. but gets owned by other japanese ken players.
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All this talk about top tier whoring makes me sad. There's absolutely nothing wrong with top tier whoring be it you're Japanese, American, European, Martian, Mooninite, etc. Looking down on someone for wanting to win in a competitive game by picking the best of the best is retarded. Let people play how they want to play, be it tier whoring or not.
vs.
The only players I have problems with, and I've said this countless times before, are the schmucks that play only low tier because they're glaring retards. In other words, people that switch characters after a new version is released because their once low tier character is now top-tier or high-tier. Get the fuck over yourself and go do the world a favor by jumping into a meat grinder.
Can you say hypocrite :V
Not really a hypocrite when I'm adding an exception to the rule. :P Besides, there's a big difference between top tier whoring and being a complete retard by not wanting to play your character because they're good after a revision.
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Personally I think Neco Arc Chaos and White Len are rather underrated, but that's just me. Neco arc has all sorts of problems with everything but damage.
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NAC is down there, alot of his things get beaten out easily. White Len is good but she does deserve that low tier unfortunetly. =(
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new 3s players would think 12 is underated too.
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Well, as I was apparently banned from posting, I have been unable to reply until now. I'm sure no one has any intention of discussing what I'd said before, but I did want to thank the people who wrote information about the japanese players without any flames; I stand corrected in what I'd said before regarding their tendencies. I also didn't mean to offend anyone, but please allow me one last clarification:
Similarly to how some people think it's ridiculous that a player stops using a character because they become top-tier in an updated version of the game, I happen to be of the opinion that it's lame to choose characters due to the top-tier status and not because it's a character they happen to like due to their playstyle, or design, or personal attachment, or whatever other non-statistical reason they may have. I hope if one school of thought isn't a big deal to the people here, then neither is the other. Please understand that this is merely my opinion, and I was not casting some form of "judgement" on the whole community. I apologize if the sole interpretation was my being judgemental, I honestly meant no offense.
And like probably everyone else here, I don't really care about the reason why my opponent picked their character when we sit down for a match.
Finally, my honest apologies to the regular members for this thread being some kind of mess due to my posts. Though it's clear to me that the moderation here is partial and unreasonable, I truly have no intention of being regarded at as some kind of annoyance or a troll. I'm not. I'm a MB fan like the rest of you, and I have been since the first game. That's all.
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this is what you sound like.
Sylvan, "oh man Sion is so fun to play. and i comfortable playing her too."
Arlieth, "oh yah Sion is top tier."
Sylvan, "oh nevermind i dont want to play her anymore. Fuck Sion"
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somebody tell him that he gets an F- for common sense and an A+ for diggin himself a hole
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"Though it's clear to me that the moderation here is partial and unreasonable"
Man, you take yourself too seriously. You should really lighten up, because you're making yourself way too easy of a target for jokes. Besides, there's also the whole Fascist "Let's make an example" thing going on. You didn't think I used Color 20 Nero (http://www.meltybread.com/forums/index.php?topic=84.msg1406#msg1406) for no reason at all, did you?
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OMG I'm such a tier whore my main and 2ndary are tops. rawr it shows the cool beauty is the best of best.
Oh man expectations are higher for using them now though. D:
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Though it's clear to me that the moderation here is :blah:
You are a child who cannot let a dead issue die. Did you deserve a warning. Definitely, as you were border-line trolling and being offensive (intentions do not always justify the outcome: a fundamentalist trying to please his god by blowing up infidels is still a murderer). If you bring up Chibi again, you only further your immaturity. As retarded as he acts sometimes, his comment was a figure of speech. Your's was libel. Did you deserve not being allowed to view and post? Not necessarily. It's a new system and it has bugs which Mizuki needs to fix. It's a good thing that you brought it to attention and it was fixed. It's a bad thing that you wouldn't stop talking about yourself as the victim of a great injustice and earned the frustration of damn near everyone on IRC. It was a mistake. They happen. Get over it. You're life hasn't been destroyed (if it has been, you have no pity from me). Now, after your blatant display of immaturity, I do think your forum privilages should be drastically limited. You're lucky Arlieth is of a more merciful sort than most. Take it as a blessing that you aren't banned and GROW THE FUCK UP! Partial? Get over yourself. Everyone prefers some people to others (others definitely including you after you sophomoric behavior). Unreasonable? It was a bloody mistake with the system. You still deserved the warning.
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You are a child who cannot let a dead issue die. Did you deserve a warning. Definitely, as you were border-line trolling and being offensive (intentions do not always justify the outcome: a fundamentalist trying to please his god by blowing up infidels is still a murderer). If you bring up Chibi again, you only further your immaturity. As retarded as he acts sometimes, his comment was a figure of speech. Your's was libel. Did you deserve not being allowed to view and post? Not necessarily. It's a new system and it has bugs which Mizuki needs to fix. It's a good thing that you brought it to attention and it was fixed. It's a bad thing that you wouldn't stop talking about yourself as the victim of a great injustice and earned the frustration of damn near everyone on IRC. It was a mistake. They happen. Get over it. You're life hasn't been destroyed (if it has been, you have no pity from me). Now, after your blatant display of immaturity, I do think your forum privilages should be drastically limited. You're lucky Arlieth is of a more merciful sort than most. Take it as a blessing that you aren't banned and GROW THE FUCK UP! Partial? Get over yourself. Everyone prefers some people to others (others definitely including you after you sophomoric behavior). Unreasonable? It was a bloody mistake with the system. You still deserved the warning.
no reason to beat a dead horse, dude
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Well actually I simply meant that I think Neco Chaos and White Len are underrated since(with one exception for WLen here) everyone seems to think theyre unplayable. Theyre definitely low tier, yes, but they can actually be used competitively now(unlike the PS2 versions of Neco Arc and NAC).
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Well actually I simply meant that I think Neco Chaos and White Len are underrated since(with one exception for WLen here) everyone seems to think theyre unplayable. Theyre definitely low tier, yes, but they can actually be used competitively now(unlike the PS2 versions of Neco Arc and NAC).
If I ever see a NAC owning shit up and winning any tourny, I am quitting fighting games.
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There are 3 characters in this game that I'm in no way shape or form afraid of, and two of them are joke characters. MB is one of the best character-blanced games right now. This doesn't mean that some characters aren't better than others, it means that even the low tier ones are good enough to be used competitively.
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There are 3 characters in this game that I'm in no way shape or form afraid of, and two of them are joke characters. MB is one of the best character-blanced games right now. This doesn't mean that some characters aren't better than others, it means that even the low tier ones are good enough to be used competitively.
Die.
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Am i the only one who gets happy when their character gets better after a revision?
I play some characters that are lower-mid tier in games (Asuka in Tekken 5, for example) and stuck with her cause she's my favorite and my best. Then when DR came around and she was able to compete with all the characters better, it made it a lot better for me, and i was way happier because of that than if she became hella bad.
And i dont play characters because they're top tier, i play them cause i:
a) Like them
and/or
b) Enjoy that characters playstyle
Sion is MB. It took a long time before i realized that Sion was my favorite to use and that she was my best, regardless of whether she was top or not. Kunagi in BBB, i used since before i knew she was top, so whatever. I happen to play two top characters in these two particular games, but i dont feel bad about it or anything. Whatever changes they make, they make. Unless she's completely unplayable, like SC2 Talim to SC3 Talim, then ill prolly still stick with her. Tho i think MB is a bit different, because ive seen many people beast with many different characters...as zaelar said, its pretty well balanced, so no point in making a fuss over who your opponent uses or who you use due to their tier (with the exceptions being the Neco's)
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Well actually I simply meant that I think Neco Chaos and White Len are underrated since(with one exception for WLen here) everyone seems to think theyre unplayable. Theyre definitely low tier, yes, but they can actually be used competitively now(unlike the PS2 versions of Neco Arc and NAC).
If I ever see a NAC owning shit up and winning any tourny, I am quitting fighting games.
Between this comment and the pain dispensed in IRC earlier today over netplay I am seriously wishing I had the money to go to a tourney just for the hell of it :V
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And w. len.
On the flip side nekos are banned in 2on2 mode. Yes I'm serious.
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Well the NAC play over netplay I've been seeing has been a resounding success(probably in part due to people not knowing how the hell to deal with such a small hitbox heh).
WLen's 236[A] setups are some scary shit though if you get cornered.
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i was jsut wondering does anyone know why w.ren is bottom teir?
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I don't know anything for a fact, but if I had to make a guess, I'd say that she is generally slow and hard to land hits with relative to everyone else in the cast. Though, I don't think she's unplayable or anything.
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How do you unlock w.ren?
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How do you unlock w.ren?
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
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All that did was give me 30 lives. I'm reporting ypu!
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How do you unlock w.ren?
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
You forgot Start. Kill yourself. >:o
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How do you unlock w.ren?
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
You forgot Start. Kill yourself. >:o
You forgot Select. Kill yourself. >:o
~M
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How do you unlock w.ren?
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
You forgot Start. Kill yourself. >:o
You forgot Select. Kill yourself. >:o
~M
Select is for two players only. >:o
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Start isn't part of the code. Want proof? Play TF and input the code.
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How do you unlock w.ren?
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A
You forgot Start. Kill yourself. >:o
You forgot Select. Kill yourself. >:o
~M
Select is for two players only. >:o
You never play contra solo, don't you know the wingman concept?
~M
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>___< I know, I know. I'm not good enough for my opinion to matter, but still: I have to defend the honor of MB's newest loli.
It may be because I'm not facing against crazy amazing people, but Shiro Ren's icicles are pretty great among my group. I don't know if it's simply because I can see when a character's jumping well, but I can pin people in a corner fairly sufficiently ((though admittedly far worse than some of the crazy Kuro Ren players)) with 236A's if they attack low with a frame advantage or dash, and 236B's if they try to jump out. They've begun to Ex shield the move, but so far Circuit hasn't helped them out all that much. The problem I used to have was when Warakia tried to tornado, but I just teleport through it now.
To deal damage, I use 2CCj.BCj.BCTh ((rather than the 2C4B, since the height difference makes it work less often)) into a dash plus meaty-ish j.236A or j.2C to put them in blockstun and continue the pinning.
I guess the summary is, if you can react really quickly, her moveset is _very_ nice at stalemating. Damage dealing may be another issue, since her combo without the 236C juggling is ~2500, but if you _take_ no damage, it's still good, isn't it?
>_> And all of this is ignoring the 236[A]>623A/B mixup...
I really don't know what the point of this was... No one will ever say she's good until she's boosted to a noticeable level... But I still love her, and will continue playing as her. >_> I'm asking my friends right now why she's good. I'll be back with their complaints-- I mean, responses. ^________^
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So, in the end... i dunno what this thread is about now... :psyduck:
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So, in the end... i dunno what this thread is about now... :psyduck:
Hmm...
the honor of MB's newest loli.
Get it now?
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and having honor has what to do with Tier lists?
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Nothing at all.
But the thread got pretty stupid so might as well discuss that.
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And w. len.
On the flip side nekos are banned in 2on2 mode. Yes I'm serious.
Y? plz explain.
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If anyone picks two NACS / Neko Arcs / NAC and NA you can alternate 'beams' and there's pretty much nothing the other team can do about it ;p.
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so only banned using 2 nekos then, right?
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No, you can't use just one either.
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Battle royale mode is pretty broken no matter who you use. Ciels can probably have a similar effect with black keys, or neros with 4C/5B, or nanayas with 236B, or any number of other such things.
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Don't forget Aoko and her photon beams of doom. :psyduck:
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Nekos are not banned in teamplay! :psyduck:
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Oh you guys were talking about Isuka mode? Who the hell cares!
I thought you ment tag mode.
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I'm talking about isuka mode. Tag mode they are fine...I think...
Two ciel's keying is lame, but escapable. Mech-hisui's crossbow, heck most projectiles are like that, its just nekos are even moreso. Airblocking beams leads to easy guardbreaks too, much more so than other characters provide, at least without using meter. Teams pretty much require one character with a good projectile, and should have two most of the time. How good Aoko is seems to depend on her teammate. If her teammate can get her stuff setup well, they are great. If not, she sucks.
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Isuka mode: Suddenly, Neco Arc and Neco Arc Chaos are top tier. :slowpoke:
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I'm talking about isuka mode. Tag mode they are fine...I think...
Two ciel's keying is lame, but escapable. Mech-hisui's crossbow, heck most projectiles are like that, its just nekos are even moreso. Airblocking beams leads to easy guardbreaks too, much more so than other characters provide, at least without using meter. Teams pretty much require one character with a good projectile, and should have two most of the time. How good Aoko is seems to depend on her teammate. If her teammate can get her stuff setup well, they are great. If not, she sucks.
I always try to get my teammate to pick Kouma. His superarmor tanking pretty much allows for the easiest set-ups ever.
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I don't know if it was because my friends can't consistently 236, but I just EX-shielded the neko beams and EX Hiero'd.
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i was jsut wondering does anyone know why w.ren is bottom teir?
Fuck, I heard W.Len. Time for me to rant AGAIN.
She jumps like an old geezer, she moves like an old geezer, all her moves are slow as fuck, none of her air moves have priority, you have to constantly downback that shit waiting for a time to dp out and hopefully start an oki into high/low mixup.
Did I forgot to mention all her normals fucking SUCK.
On the flip side she has one of the highest life counts in the game, she is the only character with a true dp, he tk qcf b is a really nice AA, and her command grab has stupid reach.
She's also the only character in the game that has a taunt too.
*EDIT*
Also, I'm locking this topic, making a new one since this one has gone to the shits.