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Powerd Ciel? wtf o_O
« on: April 25, 2010, 10:24:07 PM »
hi guys, I stumbled on information about unused character his name is Powerd Ciel, his art looks like a normal art Ciel  :V



Maybe somebody knows more information about this character?
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 10:44:09 PM »
high chance its fake
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 10:45:49 PM »
Executioner Ciel was hacked out of and playable in MBR. It's probably real and just found in some weird files on the disc.
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 10:46:28 PM »
I found it here http://forum.unseen64.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1969
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His name Powered Ciel, unfortunately the game does not start after select it

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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 10:56:57 PM »
Whoever this guy is he looks pretty strong.

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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 11:00:39 PM »
That's MBAA's version of Executioner Ciel. I recall seeing it in a video before.. she's not playable though.
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 12:02:45 AM »
this guys powered wiener must be giant
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 02:11:04 AM »
HIS name is powered ciel....
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 02:30:02 AM »
ok, thanks

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 05:16:32 AM »
Yeah, back in MBR, if you played... it was probably Arcueid's path in arcade mode, Executioner Ciel was a boss character you fought, who just had like moves that were like her arc drive, had permanent super armor, and couldn't jump.  It looks like there were plans to put this back into PS2 MBAA (Boss Rush?), as there is Powerd Ciel (typo is intentional and how it is spelled in game) art, a little thing for the character select screen and so on, but yeah you can't actually play as her.  Never got fully put in or something.

I never did figure out how to play as that funky huge Neco Arc though, which I wanted to do D:
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 06:04:29 AM »
Yeah, back in MBR, if you played... it was probably Arcueid's path in arcade mode, Executioner Ciel was a boss character you fought, who just had like moves that were like her arc drive, had permanent super armor, and couldn't jump.  It looks like there were plans to put this back into PS2 MBAA (Boss Rush?), as there is Powerd Ciel (typo is intentional and how it is spelled in game) art, a little thing for the character select screen and so on, but yeah you can't actually play as her.  Never got fully put in or something.

I never did figure out how to play as that funky huge Neco Arc though, which I wanted to do D:
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I could probably figure out how to "play" Executioner Ciel and such in MBR with enough time. I know for a fact I can also pick Dust of Osiris in MBAA, as well...
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 07:10:19 AM »
That's not what I'm talking about (btw there is a boss patch for MBR which gives you W.Len, Neco Arc, Aoko, and Executioner Ciel)

There was a video of debug mode or something for MBAA ps2 and it featured this Neco Arc that was like as big as a regular character, and supposedly this sort of stuff is all in the game lol.
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 08:25:20 AM »
If we could decrypt the game's CVM file, we could definitely poke around inside. It's basically an encrypted Virtual File System, meaning that while the data is all in one file and intact, the only way to pull data out without decrypting it is to bruteforce search for known data types.

Decrypting it would roughly follow something like this:

  • Chop off the first 0x1800 bytes of the file.
  • Decrypt the Volume Information/Table of Contents, as follows:
    • Extract LBA.
    • Figure out how Ecole/CRI encrypted it.
    • Decrypt LBA.
    • Replace Encrypted LBA with Decrypted LBA.
  • Rename it to MEPROFSCVM.ISO.
  • ???
  • PROFIT!
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 08:34:31 AM »
Are you planning on trying to decyrpt cvm files ???
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 09:19:41 AM »
If I had the know-how, I would have already. I've ripped a few files from the CVM (The voices and music) because I know what to search for there, but none of the graphical data.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 09:23:48 AM »
If I had the know-how, I would have already. I've ripped a few files from the CVM (The voices and music) because I know what to search for there, but none of the graphical data.
Keep us posted on how your efforts turn out. good luck on the decrypting :)
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2010, 10:16:30 AM »
...What part of "If I had the know-how, I would have already" did you happen to miss?

I'm not decrypting it. I can't. I don't have the math skills for it. There's enough stuff to push people in the right direction if they're awesome with math and decrypting, but that's not me.

Anyway, the files themselves are not encrypted - that's not the problem. What IS encrypted are the table of contents. Without that, the only way you'll get files off the disc is, as I said, through bruteforcing it.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2010, 01:21:24 PM »
...What part of "If I had the know-how, I would have already" did you happen to miss?

I'm not decrypting it. I can't. I don't have the math skills for it. There's enough stuff to push people in the right direction if they're awesome with math and decrypting, but that's not me.

Anyway, the files themselves are not encrypted - that's not the problem. What IS encrypted are the table of contents. Without that, the only way you'll get files off the disc is, as I said, through bruteforcing it.
Well luckly i've done this type of work before. so i'll try working on this. :teach:
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2010, 01:26:48 PM »
Good luck to you then. If you can figure it out, you get the credit.

That's why the MBAA frame viewer works - the files themselves are not encrypted, just the TOC. To put a rough analogy, it'd be like assembling a book page by page with no index and no page numbers. Possible, just takes lots of work.

If this helps, take a gander here: Some structure info.

For the record, the one that applies to MBAA is ROFSROFSBLD Ver.1.52 2003-06-09.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2010, 06:38:08 PM »
Good luck to you then. If you can figure it out, you get the credit.

That's why the MBAA frame viewer works - the files themselves are not encrypted, just the TOC. To put a rough analogy, it'd be like assembling a book page by page with no index and no page numbers. Possible, just takes lots of work.

If this helps, take a gander here: Some structure info.

For the record, the one that applies to MBAA is ROFSROFSBLD Ver.1.52 2003-06-09.
Well here's an update on my progress. I believe there was 4 total scrapped characters. Not to sure though but i found that executioner ciel file and i guess she was originally planned for the game.
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2010, 11:53:55 AM »
...I've already managed to dump the file index and every single file out of the cvm. How do you think I made framedisplay?

I didn't actually decrypt it, though. The index can be acquired though, uh, somewhat unconventional means. I ran the game in an emulator, save stated, then grabbed the decrypted indexes out of the state's snapshot of running memory.

Executioner Ciel, or whatever you want to call her, is on character selection slot #19(CSEL_C19.AGI for the image file), inbetween Len and Neko Arc. There is no further data for this character: No text files, no reference in the character lookups. Dummied out, they just didn't get rid of the image file.

Edit: Ah, here we go. She's marked as F_CIEL.

Code: [Select]
{ "F_CIEL_WIN.TXT", 0x78f, 0x717cd },
        // arcade
{ "F_CIEL.ARX", 0xff640, 0x2dbf3 },
{ "F_CIEL.CG2", 0x20578, 0x2ddf2 },
{ "F_CIEL.CPF", 0x2f36c, 0x2de33 },
{ "F_CIEL_C.TXT", 0x1df, 0x2de92 },
        // console
{ "F_CIEL.ARX", 0xff640, 0x4e1c4 },
{ "F_CIEL.CG2", 0x20578, 0x4e3c3 },
{ "F_CIEL.CPF", 0x2f36c, 0x4e404 },
{ "F_CIEL_C.TXT", 0x1df, 0x4e463 },

    [CharaNo_019]
        Name = F_CIEL
        File1 = F_CIEL
        File2 = 0
        CharaFace = 19
        Secret1 = 0   
        Secret2 = 0   
        IconPos = 0,3
        Bg = 1
        CursorMove = 18,6,25,5
        NameWH = 240,98
        StandPos = 0   
        WinGrpPos = -80

        ExChara =  16

Lacking a frame data file, though, and F_CIEL_C.TXT is old-style MBAC format, which means it was never updated.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2010, 11:58:06 AM »
...I've already managed to dump the file index and every single file out of the cvm. How do you think I made framedisplay?

I didn't actually decrypt it, though. The index can be acquired though, uh, somewhat unconventional means. I ran the game in an emulator, save stated, then grabbed the decrypted indexes out of the state's snapshot of running memory.

Executioner Ciel, or whatever you want to call her, is on character selection slot #19(CSEL_C19.AGI for the image file), inbetween Len and Neko Arc. There is no further data for this character: No text files, no reference in the character lookups. Dummied out, they just didn't get rid of the image file.
Yea I thought so. It would have interesting if they added her though. I will keep on looking through cvms
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2010, 01:53:35 PM »
...I've already managed to dump the file index and every single file out of the cvm. How do you think I made framedisplay?
It could have been done without your method if you knew the file formats to look for. That's how I got the ADXs out for the music.

And sure enough, looking at my character chart, 19 does indeed indicate a blank/crash right where you said. So do 21, 24, 26, 27, and presumably 36-50. (As Archetype is 51.)

Hmm. I'd still like to get the data dumped if we can somehow. Or does your method allow for a full disc dump of all the files? If it does, I'd sure like to use it, so something a little more detailed would help.
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2010, 03:52:27 PM »
it is curious in that there are ways to play as eclipse moons for other characters, and if you can figure out how to check out Eclipse Warc, her projectiles actually are changed in a non-glitchy way.  As in, like there were plans and everything :3
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Re: Powered Ciel? wtf o_O
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2010, 06:26:57 PM »
There's actually two types of Eclipse styles... but that'd be getting into very technical details.

Suffice to say there's the "Normal" Eclipse style a la Archetype's, and the "Boss" Eclipse Style, e.g; the secret boss fight with Ryougi.

Problem is, Eclipse is still just plain unbalanced compared to the other styles. But admittingly it is fun to mess around with.
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