Tier List

[dakanya]

hey according to this tier list warakia is not bottom tier

[ohsu]

Wait, is this list based on the newest Tougeki Damashii (vol 8 )? Looks kind of familiar, but if it is, it's not character rankings, it's some other ranking that's in kanji that I can't read :<

If it's not, then nevermind 

[Arlieth Tralare]

It's based on it, yeah. All the information was averaged out because the versus data wasn't matching up with each other.

[Keith]

I'm up for tossing this up on the wiki. I was looking for something to do anyway.

[Arlieth Tralare]

By the way, for each character, it might be good to put a listing of their matchups in order from Best to Worst.

For example: Kouma

5.75   Arcueid
5.63   Sion
5.42   Satsuki
5.38   Warakia
5.38   Kohaku
5.25   HisuKoha
4.88   Ciel
4.88   M.Hisui
4.88   Nanaya
4.88   Akiha
4.88   W.Ren  <- WOW wtf
4.78   Aoko
4.75   Red Arc
4.75   Hisui
4.63   Ren
4.63   Miyako
4.63   V.Akiha
4.63   V.Sion
4.50   T.Shiki
4.29   Nero   <-hehehe

[ohsu]

What's the exact translation on the magazine ranking? I can only read something about "up" haha.

yes W.Ren ... W.Ren OCV at shakuji also!!!

[c-nero 5[c]]

I thought kouma had a comparitively easy time VS wlen since she has to IAD after a 236{A}. Kouma is one of the few characters that can bunker cancel it without trading it getting punished or anything. She gets to run down her 623 mixup game all day VS most other characters.

[S-Blade]

(this is sort of off topic)

236[A] is not good for him at all. It's very hard for him to get out against a good W.Len player, and you're bunker cancelling a projectile so you're bound to get your ass beat for doing that. Throw in that W.Len can simply just keep her assault aerial while Kouma is in there to prevent any bara'd EX Dunks and it becomes hard for him because a lot of his escapes get shut down.

You have to keep in mind that this is at each character's full known potential. For example, Kouma is 4.63 vs. V.Sion. Normally a V.Sion player wouldn't be that much of a problem for him....at an American level of play. Because V.Sion isn't great at escaping either, she usually has to just block out whatever gets thrown out at her. What does Kouma, a grappler, want you to do? He wants you to block. However at a japanese level of play, critical stuff like this is taken into account and both characters are playing according to the matchup, and one of them is getting more bang for their buck in doing so.

[Mailorder]

What does Shiki Tohno have over Len and V. Akiha?  And.. Kouma?

[Arlieth Tralare]

His sweep is longer than Kim Kaphwan's. Like a true Korean.

[noradseven]

im going to say something said alot before miyako S tier wtf. Sure miyako is fast and has gay combos but after playing like 4-5 diff miyako players online where that 4 frames of lag really does make her S tier, predicting her attacks isn't really that bad, and many of her attacks if you predict you can punish pretty hard, if you sat in pratice mode and found out what wins.  But basically every char can do really powerful combos, once in corner.

and plus wlen low tier try playing as her she is damn hard, and has some massive problems against chars like Ciel.
don't forget you can combo off of her regular grab too.  The only rape about wlen is that once she starts raping you its hard to get out of it cause her moves have sick overide and she can do some pretty interesting cancels, and combos of her pretty much all of her EXs

[Dragonthorn]

Can anyone explain how they arrived at these numbers? It's pretty interesting to see how they managed to assign a numerical value to specific match ups.

This should be how tiers in fighters should be determined. Pretty slick.

[Zaelar]

Can anyone explain how they arrived at these numbers? It's pretty interesting to see how they managed to assign a numerical value to specific match ups.

This should be how tiers in fighters should be determined. Pretty slick.

People guessed based on their experience, and no.

[Dragonthorn]

Can anyone explain how they arrived at these numbers? It's pretty interesting to see how they managed to assign a numerical value to specific match ups.

This should be how tiers in fighters should be determined. Pretty slick.

People guessed based on their experience, and no.

Wow, that's a great explanation.

What I was asking for the methodology. Anyone have the survey form they used? Formula for computing match ups? etc?

[Sphyra]

It's rare for a match up to go beyond 3-7 and since you almost always go with .5 values, you're not left with that many choices.

You go something like:
5 for neutral
5.5 for slightly advantageous
6 for advantageous
6.5 for very advantageous
7 for fairly one sided
8+ shit is broken

This hardly requires any maths.

[Dragonthorn]

So...

1. Select top japanese players for each character take a survey.

2. They're asked to rate individual character match ups based on their character. So a Sion player would rate his Sion against the rest of the cast.

3. Value assigned range from 1 - 10.

4. Numbers are averaged and collated.

Reason why I want to know is I wanted to repeat the process for another fighter where tiers are more of an issue due to vast counterpicking.

[noradseven]

Im pretty sure they just take the averages win and losses per round of all major tournies, by char thats the most effective way to do it, and its pretty accurate, but in this game there are very few bad matchups.

[Arlieth Tralare]

You can download this .xlsx file to see the compiled/crunched numbers. It requires either OpenOffice or Excel 2007 to view, though.

[S-Blade]

This game actually has quite a few uneven matchups, but they don't get as hopeless as matchups in some other fighting games do. Like Makoto vs Akuma/Remy in 3s. One grab when she has meter is pretty much loss of round, which is far worse than any MB matchup.

[Ultima66]

So how long will it be until Sion goes down a tier? Kubo quit and I haven't even seen a recent video of Sion winning a match or something in a long time now.

I mean, a character having potential doesn't really say anything when there's not that many good players who use her.

[Xkun01]

My guess is, they're going by her mechanics.

[noradseven]

how come sacchin is so low I have never seen a final 8 without a sacchin player.

[Rayza]

how come sacchin is so low I have never seen a final 8 without a sacchin player.

Cause Tier lists in MBAC don't make a very big difference in the end, the player does.

[Xkun01]

Truest words ever spoken..Rayza

[Soniti]

Cause Tier lists in MBAC don't make a very big difference in the end, the player does.

Except when talking about the Necos. But yeah, true words.

edit: before you start flaming me, show me some high level tournament results with high-placing Necos. Only then will I consider retracting my statement.