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MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:59:37 PM »
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15914720
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 04:26:19 PM »
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 04:46:44 PM »
I just noticed H-Nero has BE4C. What's up with all the new charge moves?
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 06:14:00 PM »
I just noticed H-Nero has BE4C. What's up with all the new charge moves?

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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 08:20:50 PM »
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 06:18:02 AM »
lol they gave him BE4C instead of BE5C
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 05:01:14 PM »
Ok. I've seen a lot or Nero matches, but I don't recall anyone playing as beautiful as Amirosu played this matches (below). Maybe it's just my bad memory, but it seems like new focus on Nero gameplay. Nero players as far as I saw videos always focused on punishing mistakes and zoning to guard break or win neutral game using ranged attacks. Amirosu seems to be focusing in safe strings into mixups. He's not deppending on others to do mistakes so he can punish, he's finding his own way to confirm a hit for himself with mixups. It's including low/high, crossup mixups and even fuzzy guards. LuckyStar do it too, but his style has no focus imo: he uses everything in the primordial sea of Nero. In Amirosu's gameplay it becomes much more visible Nero's pressure potential without needing a guess or punishing game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnxGPozHwyU#t=6m5s

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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 11:13:44 PM »
Amirosu is one of the pretty legit nero players but i don't think his style is really standout.  His neutral is very vanilla and un-nero, but his pressure is that of a serious and adept crescent nero.  That said, i think you're misinterpreting the context of the match you linked to:
1. The kind of strings Amirosu was running are not rare to see very experienced nero players doing (although frankly, most of the nero player's i've seen in mbaacc videos look like they've been playing nero for less than 6 months).  The ideal situation for every nero player is to lead into that kind of safe pressure that you saw BUT
2. Many characters have escape options against that kind of long pressure.  F-ries happens to have a terrible matchup against nero and only her one ex grab to escape from pressure with some degree of reliability
3. Most top players won't take that shit sitting still.  The ries player in that situation was being unusually cautious so Amirosu was allowed to style on him hardcore.  This is perhaps because Amirosu had scared him into blocking by using mash-punish 4c frequently in previous games and perhaps because Fries sucks at dealing with nero.
The ries player also kept failing to block correctly, allowing Amirosu to reset pressure that otherwise would have ended.

In short, what i mean to say is that many good nero players are aiming for that kind of scenario but there are so many factors along the way that can stop it from getting there that the match of Amirosu is less of Amirosu opening a new path and more of Amirosu being lucky that all the stars aligned and he got to follow the oldest path to completion. 

The zoning/guard breaking you're referring to is not some kind of separate playstyle focus but is part of the safe pressure.  Safe pressure can only be achieved by punishing escape attempts so that the opponent blocks and allows you to go into the safe part of strings.  No offensive protocols are omnipotent.

With all of this said, i have to admit that Amirosu is one of the best and one of my favorite nero players in japan.  I don't think that he's overcreative but rather that 90% of GOOD nero players in japan don't really harness the unique abilities of the character because they can just get by with strong basics.
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 12:43:58 AM »
Hmm. I think I understand better now. I don't understand Nero much. I just don't agree about the thing about luck, but that's another deep conversation.

I just though he was playing safe because he wasnt throwing, and was using ex crows to setup other things, not to try a guess hitconfirm like I usually see in videos. Looked very antipoke and antiescape into IAD mix-ups. I didn't know there was good options to go out that pressure. I know he's gotta make opponents respect his options too, but I though at least those setup were safe. I don't remeber seeing people escaping that, but well, I don't even understand most of Nero's gameplay. I can't argue with someone who understands about that. I'll pay more atention from now on o/
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2012, 12:13:01 AM »
This thread looks neglected. Here's some Nero match vids.
http://youtu.be/yTzZOQ7LhG8#t=5m53s
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2012, 09:48:55 AM »
Here are some more:

CRESCENT MOON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=3m15s : Kaito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=21m39s : Kaito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=38m47s : Kaito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=55m30s : Kaito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=69m32s : Kaito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ejcH99o7oU#t=8m35s : Toku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcsT_s3Rxkw#t=2m13s : Toku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUzcnQSmEI : Toku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=27m : Toku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmlnJkIgCE#t=33m24s : LuckyStar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmlnJkIgCE#t=38m36s : LuckyStar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lA2WkniVnY#t=11m13s : Norio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Swx4Hx_RxA#t=17m48s : Norio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtGy9jI0mk#t=8m33s : Touji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VbwE4Kplo#t=8m21s : Touji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ejcH99o7oU#t=6m20s : Alicekara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C3BvEz8au4#t=7m28s : Bubu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-pXoJwO9A#t=7m27s : SAT

HALF MOON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrqEH7PjD1U#t=2m43s : SAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrqEH7PjD1U#t=8m53s : SAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCT7JYgkCw#t=9m52s : SAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-pXoJwO9A#t=34m54s : SAT

FULL MOON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myz7fuU7-pw : Amber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcsT_s3Rxkw : Amber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-pXoJwO9A#t=30m58s : Amber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-pXoJwO9A#t=39m12s : Amber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYmlnJkIgCE#t=44m24s : LuckyStar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ8FWLqt5zw#t=8m2s : LuckyStar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-pXoJwO9A#t=25m58s : SAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwtGy9jI0mk#t=6m18s : SAT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7fcZESov1A : Yoshino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfhciNTeDE : Yoshino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Z4gmcoh_E#t=28m22s : ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Z4gmcoh_E#t=37m27s : ??
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Re: MBAACC Nero Match Vids
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 04:47:37 PM »
thanks cristu, best post ever
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