Thinking about making a monthly Netplay tourney(or something anyway)

[SacchinWantPie]

Hi. I saw cloud nine's net play tourny thread and I thought i might make one of my own. don't know much about running tourney's myself. So basically if any of you guys are interested let me know. Also, if you have any advice about the tournament format or anything else or if you want to help out let me know.

if there is any interest here ill try to put something together. maybe we can start an irc channel somewhere and have a monthly online tournament or something like that. 

Well, im looking forward to hearing your replies.   

Edit: The tournament will start on December 29th. probably around 11:00pm eastern standard time.  read the thread for details. When i stop feeling lazy ill post them here.

Ok. Tentative tournament details. 



Post here to let us know if you want to join. please include your state of residence in your post. We will meet in tesujisnetplayroom on irc.pyoko.org on the day of the tournament.  you will need an irc program. google mirc if you need one.  if you cant use irc i might pm you about your match or something. actually, anyone who cant use mirc should pm me and include a good way to get in touch with them. (aim, yahoo mesenger, hamachi.)

1.Starting Date- December 29th at 11:00pm Eastern Standard time. oh yea, only the first round on Saturday. second round on Sunday. then we will finish up the next weekend.  We will have several rounds sunday January the 6th.  In case thats not clear enough "January 6th is the last day of the Tournament"
2. Tournament Format- best 2 of three matches. double elimination. you can switch characters if you desire.
3. Brackets- The pairings for the tournament will be determined randomly. However, since this is a netplay tournament pairings may be adjusted slightly to eliminate the worst of the lag issues. if you have any objections, comments, suggestions about this or anything else please inform me.   
4.lag issues- this is netplay. if your recommended delay in caster is less than 7 then deal with it. (hopefully all delays will be 5 or less. "prays")
5. Disagreements and Problems- If you have a problem or disagreement then talk to me about it. My decisions regarding the tournament are Final. hopefully there wont be too many issues. Assuming none of you have any objections i plan to participate in the tourny myself. because of this a third party will judge any problems regarding my matches. If im not mistaken romc generously agreed to do this.
6. Desyncs- if there is a desync the match will be replayed while i observe. If there are additional connection issues and a resolution cannot be reached i will either decide a winner or allow both players to advance(this is open to debate for the time being.)
7. Prizes- The opportunity to test your skills in a tournament enviorment...... but seriously, theres no prize. maybe next time.

More to come.

Edit: Lord Pang tong posted about the tournament results in the Tournament Results thread. ill be post a full listing here tomorrow.  I will also post a seperate thread about the next tournament(Which Lord Pang Tong and I will be running together). 

[MasterT]

As long as you can actually execute this and not let it end like the last one (i.e. not start at all), then I'd join.

[NinjaNero]

I'd be interested in joining.
When the matches are setup...How are the matches set up?

[dakanya]

Netplay tourny or not, here's some advice/my thoughts/ideas:

1. Use a bracket program such as ALJ or TIO
2. Try to have the tournament span over a period of time but as fast as possible (maybe a weekend or a week)
3. Use an independent IRC channel and call out players/change the topic
4. Actual prizes get a tournament going (I mostly stick to playing IRL myself)
5. IRC as a requirement is less of a hassle then other IM protocols such as MSN or AIM

[NinjaNero]

Netplay tourny or not, here's some advice/my thoughts/ideas:

1. Use a bracket program such as ALJ or TIO
2. Try to have the tournament span over a period of time but as fast as possible (maybe a weekend or a week)
3. Use an independent IRC channel and call out players/change the topic
4. Actual prizes get a tournament going (I mostly stick to playing IRL myself)
5. IRC as a requirement is less of a hassle then other IM protocols such as MSN or AIM

As for IRC im thinking a Private Hamachi Server. How much time do you have to play after matches are announced?

[dakanya]

Hamachi servers have a limit on the amount of user connections and has the possbility of generating lag. Time to play after matches are announced depend on the tournament and general consensus of people I guess... if you get everyone to be there live, I'd say 5 minutes unless they announced they were AFK and maybe move on to another match in the meantime

[NinjaNero]

Hamachi servers have a limit on the amount of user connections and has the possbility of generating lag. Time to play after matches are announced depend on the tournament and general consensus of people I guess... if you get everyone to be there live, I'd say 5 minutes unless they announced they were AFK and maybe move on to another match in the meantime

Unless we did this on like a Saturday you don't know what time people can play. People on here live all over the world and have jobs and school. So either all people would have to be on at the same time or the matches could be announced and people could PM amongst theirselves an appropriate time for both to play.

[dakanya]

For the sake of netplay conditions, I'd limit entrants by regions. But that's just my opinion.

Yeah if you're not going to have it on a weekend, then you're going to have to extend it across one or two weeks, and PM would be fine for such a tourny.

[NinjaNero]

For the sake of netplay conditions, I'd limit entrants by regions. But that's just my opinion.

Yeah if you're not going to have it on a weekend, then you're going to have to extend it across one or two weeks, and PM would be fine for such a tourny.

O.k. but you do realize that SacchinWantPie (the creator of this thread) lives in Georgia (according to his profile) which puts me in and you out. (If we do Midwest.)

I sugesst that we do that but have brackets for each region and then 1 bracket for the top three or four from each region to play a "master" net play tourney.

[dakanya]

I was thinking of regions on a bigger scale (ie Europe and America)

Brackets by region could be interesting

[NinjaNero]

I was thinking of regions on a bigger scale (ie Europe and America)

Brackets by region could be interesting

Oh OK that will work then, I also think that we should split up America at least because many people play and it is so large. Also Japan if applicable might be split because im sure more play there than here (maybe).

We could split up America into Time Zones (it is already split up that way and every one knows what it is, and what time zone they reside in.) and we could take the top 4 from each time zone and they would play one of the other time zones. i.e. Central and Eastern, and Pacific and Mountain.
http://geography.about.com/library/misc/ntimezones.htm
other ares can be split accordingly and if few people reside in a certain area they can join a time zone or another country for means of the tourney. (example if only 1 person plays in Hawaii they can join with California and so on.)

[SacchinWantPie]

Hi. Very happy to see so many posts already.  First of all, While i plan to continue using this thread to work on this I created an irc channel for discussing this as well.  That is tesujisnetplayroom on irc.pyoko.org  tesuji being myself. sorry for the change of names but it was suggested to me that while im running a tournament it might be good to have a name thats easy to type. not sure if i agree(cant people type sacchin  ). Oh well, no big deal. Im glad to have any advice i can get.

Second, I have some ideas for how the tourney could be run. Of course, all this is far from set in stone. Id like to run the tournament the way you guys would like to have it run. partly because some of you probably know a lot more about this than me.  I was thinking that the tournament would be double elimination best two of three matches and maybe run over two weekends.  Also, i was considering staggering the match times a little so that people who are playing in the tournament could spectate if they feel like it.  for instance. We have players A,B,C,D,E,F,G,and H in the first round.  First A,B,C,and D play. Then 10 minutes later E,F,G,and H play.  I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. 

The goal here is to get as many people as possible to play. Edit: That being said I may be able to work something out for people who infrom me of schedule conflicts ahead of time. any ideas on what we might be able to do for someone who has to miss a day. im not sure if there is anything to be done. If you are totally unable to play in your match then you will incur one loss and move to the losers bracket. Two losses means your out of the tournament.  Im thinking that the winner of the losers bracket and the winner of the winners bracket will fight it out to decide the final champion.  Again these are just ideas and I welcome your ideas, remarks, advice or even criticism.

Perhaps we could have several bimonthly tournaments culminating in a tournament in which the top three from each qualifying tournament fight it out to decide a Final winner.  That way we could have a Regular semi annual tournament with a name and bigger prizes(if there are any, see below)

OK, on to prizes and Dates.  As for prizes, there are no prizes at this time and there is a possibility that there wont be any. I will try to put something together but im poor and im not going to promise anything. This is a net play tournament and imho entrance fees or anything of that sort would be a very Bad! idea. 

The dates will be whenever seems most appropriate and i would imagine are a while off. Not too far though .  I dont want to try and start throwing anything out any dates right now. as with all the other sections ideas on dates are welcome. please tell me when you are available. are weekends the best like i think(thanks V-Akiha) and are mornings evenings or nights best for you.

Alright, thanks very much everyone. im gonna end this hear since if i had a power failure and had to retype all this id be..... displeased.

[SacchinWantPie]

One more thing .  I can usually be reached between 10:00pm and 1:00 am eastern time. ill try to always be in the channel during those times though i may not notice your message right away.  also my aim address is draconianfates. aim is probably the most surfire way to reach me quickly during the times im online.  During the weekdays theres a decent chance ill be on anytime from 1:00am-2:00pm eastern time in addition to the previously stated hours when im normally on. 

you can email me anytime at tesuji2@gmail.com and I will try to respond promptly.  cya around.

EDIT: where can i downlad those bracket programs or another one that will do the job. Thanks a lot. if nothing else ill just use paper brackets.  Crosses fingers.

Another EDIT: the channel will be up on the day of the tourny. dont be suprised if you go before then and its not there.

[SacchinWantPie]

Id be interested in the feasability of region brackets. I think that within the contenental united states we should be okay but we shall see. If im wrong let me know. obviously some people are probably gonna wind up playing with a delay of five or six. i hope thats not an issue. if it is we may do the region bracket thing. not really sure how that would work but im sure we can figure somethign out. if there are a lot of players who dont live in the U.S. then i guess we will have to do something.  Thanks for the suggestions about region brackets.

If you dont have your location listed in your profile posting it here would be nice. For new people, please go ahead and post it when you let us know your interested in the tourney.

[NinjaNero]

Id be interested in the feasability of region brackets. I think that within the contenental united states we should be okay but we shall see. If im wrong let me know. obviously some people are probably gonna wind up playing with a delay of five or six. i hope thats not an issue. if it is we may do the region bracket thing. not really sure how that would work but im sure we can figure somethign out. if there are a lot of players who dont live in the U.S. then i guess we will have to do something.  Thanks for the suggestions about region brackets.

If you dont have your location listed in your profile posting it here would be nice. For new people, please go ahead and post it when you let us know your interested in the tourney.

The reason i suggested a US region was for people that aren't so good they would mabey have a beter chance if we ran multiple tourneys and had them play in their region and then pay other regions the outcome would be the same but it might run faster having it divided up because you could run multiple matches at the same time in different regions.

[SacchinWantPie]

For some reason i was thinking we would have more than one round a day. I think we should basically be able to have one round a day and then have a few matches the last day. thus if anyone is unable to play let me know and asuming your oponents alright with it we should be able to set up a makeup match. 

[NinjaNero]

For some reason i was thinking we would have more than one match a day. I think we should basically be able to have one round a day and then have a few matches the last day. thus if anyone is unable to play let me know and asuming your oponents alright with it we should be able to set up a makeup match. 

I was assume more than one match a day too.
But that sounds good.
You could even set a time such as 5:00 (EST) every day there would be a match and everyone would know when it was and woul be able to contact in advance if unable to play.

[SnowRaven]

Hmm I'm interested in joining.  I live in Portland, OR of NW USA

[Munsu]

count me in

I dwell in Las Vegas, NV of US

[Munsu]

o yea... my weekends r pretty much free

[Zetsubou]

just saying that i want to join
Memphis, Tennessee
Central Time Zone

[ehrik]

I reccomend having it in one go instead of over a period of time

[NinjaNero]

I reccomend having it in one go instead of over a period of time

That would work if it was like on a Saturday.

[SacchinWantPie]

hmmmm, that seems to have its merits. It would be fun to have a big event all at once. well, as we get more people together lets see which method everyone prefers and if its the one day method we will have to find a date on which most people are able to be there.

ive had a couple people suggest to me that it be done over a period of time since its netplay. if anyone wants to elaborate on why they feel one method or the other would be better that would be nice.

Edit: If your reading this thread and you want to play in the tournament please post and let us know.

Thanks.

[NinjaNero]

hmmmm, that seems to have its merits. It would be fun to have a big event all at once. well, as we get more people together lets see which method everyone prefers and if its the one day method we will have to find a date on which most people are able to be there.

ive had a couple people suggest to me that it be done over a period of time since its netplay. if anyone wants to elaborate on why they feel one method or the other would be better that would be nice.

Thanks.

If we did it over an extended period of time more people would be able to do it. And if you did one a day for a month.If the bracket looked like this (but bigger) if someone couldn't play on a day there would be a few other games that could be played.