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The Diaspora => NetPlay Community => : Sledeau September 10, 2007, 07:12:52 PM

When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
: What not to do when netplaying
: Sledeau September 10, 2007, 07:12:52 PM

Thanks.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Animeruko September 10, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
  • Don't use a wireless connection.
  • Don't run torrents while playing.
  • Don't run a million programs in the background.
  • Don't bitch about how you lost because of lag. Deal with it. Its just netplay. No one cares.
  • Don't be HarmanSmith.

Thanks.
Hmmm. . .




I only have wireless though i'm sorry ; ;
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Kayin September 10, 2007, 08:35:45 PM
You're a god.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: scottind September 10, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
wireless is just fine.

: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: furix September 10, 2007, 09:26:26 PM
I specially agree with the don't bitch about lag, I mean... you are not the only that was lagging during the match, obviously. :P
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: ikusat September 12, 2007, 02:14:15 AM
If you're having frame rate problems and the ping looks ok, try to get the person with the better computer to host(aka don't host on a laptop).
Choose a stage with a static background, like any Tohno Mansion stage.  Avoid the animated ones like Warc's, Shiki's, Sion's etc.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: mrthefter September 12, 2007, 01:41:34 PM
What does laptop have to do with it?
As long as your plugged in, I don't think it's a problem. Especially with recent laptops nowadays sporting core duos.
Unless they're running on wireless...
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Keith September 12, 2007, 02:38:06 PM
:(

I'm on a laptop AND I'm on wireless. Your comments hurt and offend me.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Kiripsan September 13, 2007, 04:08:14 PM
:(

I'm on a laptop AND I'm on wireless. Your comments hurt and offend me.

^What he said~desu.

Only replace offend with enrage. xD
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Deer September 13, 2007, 04:44:32 PM
Don't (D,Dr)DoS your opponent.  It isn't nice.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Spirit Juice September 13, 2007, 05:23:36 PM
Wireless works just fine.  Just don't have a shitty computer. o_0
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: ikusat September 13, 2007, 11:01:47 PM
Laptops are less powerful than desktops in general.  This is not always the case granted, but in general an equal specced laptop is slower than a desktop.

Wireless is bad because while the speed might be fine, wireless routers will always have spikes, and its the spikes that are the most aggravating.  I'd rather play at 55 fps than 60 fps and have it spike every 10 seconds.  Of course wireless is better than no connection, but if you have a choice, try to get wired.

: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: NinjaNero September 15, 2007, 06:46:53 PM
Desktops are always better that laptops no matter what ever your processer is, it going to run slower on a laptop. A pentium 4 1.8 Ghz is faster than a Celeron 2.5 just because it is poorly made and is made to run with less power. Running one program it is ok but more than one program or a high priority program (aka mbcaster) it will be slower. Also a laptop has to run more processes than a desktop. The fbs (frond-side bus speed) of a laptop is slower than on a desktop as well as the RAM. Laptop DDR2 (fastest RAM out for PC) runs at 400Mhz. while DDR2 for desktops runs at 533Mhz.
As for the wireless, my wireless MIMO runs at 1Gig a second and it runs just fine.(Faster and better than 100mb wired).
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Spirit Juice September 15, 2007, 08:15:21 PM
Laptops are less powerful than desktops in general.  This is not always the case granted, but in general an equal specced laptop is slower than a desktop.

Wireless is bad because while the speed might be fine, wireless routers will always have spikes, and its the spikes that are the most aggravating.  I'd rather play at 55 fps than 60 fps and have it spike every 10 seconds.  Of course wireless is better than no connection, but if you have a choice, try to get wired.



I've never ever had this problem occur with netplay.  Perhaps if your wireless router is made from a tin cigar case and paperclips as antennae it would spike every 10 seconds.  :-\
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: NinjaNero September 16, 2007, 02:35:25 AM
A-men
Even with a 54mb wireless router I have never had a lan game problem, and I have lan partys every weekend.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Animeruko September 16, 2007, 04:23:32 AM
Desktops are always better that laptops no matter what ever your processer is, it going to run slower on a laptop. A pentium 4 1.8 Ghz is faster than a Celeron 2.5 just because it is porley made and i smade to run with less power. Running one program it is ok but more than one program or a high priority program (aka mbcaster) it will be slower. Also a laptop has to run more processes than a desktop. The fbs (frond-side bus speed) of a laptop is slower than on a desktop as well as the RAM. Laptop DDR2 (fastest RAM out for PC) runs at 400Mhz. while DDR2 for desktops runs at 533Mhz.
As for the wireless, my wireless MIMO runs at 1Gig a second and it runs just fine.(Faster and better than 100mb wired).
My laptop is faster than my Desktop(processing wise) both runing 400mhz FSB, my laptop is a dualcore turion and desktop is a single core Athlon 64 runing dual chanel memmory and OC'd to 2.5ghz(about 4000+speeds) .. the turion is just a simple dual 1.67ghz.

My laptop hosts very well especialy when setting the priority on MBCaster to higher than normal, doing this on my desktop just kills it.

btw, "good" desktops are runing 1.3ghs FSB and the most common FSB's are 667 and 800, not that its all that important with the right timings and settings theres allways a middle ground to be found.  theres also DDR3 which jumps up to about 1.8ghz for FSB ovbiously price vs performance vs size its not even worth it.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: NinjaNero September 16, 2007, 05:59:30 AM
My laptop is faster than my Desktop(processing wise) both runing 400mhz FSB, my laptop is a dualcore turion and desktop is a single core Athlon 64 runing dual chanel memmory and OC'd to 2.5ghz(about 4000+speeds) .. the turion is just a simple dual 1.67ghz.

My laptop hosts very well especialy when setting the priority on MBCaster to higher than normal, doing this on my desktop just kills it.

btw, "good" desktops are runing 1.3ghs FSB and the most common FSB's are 667 and 800, not that its all that important with the right timings and settings theres allways a middle ground to be found.  theres also DDR3 which jumps up to about 1.8ghz for FSB ovbiously price vs performance vs size its not even worth it.

The comparisions are for comparable computers not with different cored processors the core is another processor so you are actually runing 2, 1.67ghz processors.
and DDR3 is only in video cards now.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Animeruko September 16, 2007, 10:04:42 AM
DDR3 is only in video cards now.
Actually,Check (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220248) there are some chipsets that support them too, they use the same 240 pin slots that DDR2 uses aswell.

I guess my comparison isnt valid since Turion cores do not exist for the desktop market, but what i said would be "valid" if you were looking at single and dual core athlon chips(turion is not quite an athlon 64) also Pentiums and celerons arent excactly the same core either.

Were going to endup going way off topic -_-.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: NinjaNero September 16, 2007, 11:20:31 AM
Im pretty sure we already are off topic, but...
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Spirit Juice September 16, 2007, 12:11:57 PM
A-men
Even with a 54mb wireless router I have never had a lan game problem, and I have lan partys every weekend.

I play a friend in SoCal flawlessly with only 1 frame of lag with a wireless connection.  Never had a problem at all.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Hier September 16, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
Your going to need to add, "Don't Run AVG - It will steal your soul"
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: NinjaNero September 16, 2007, 01:07:48 PM
That is true it will delete all of your programsand will not let you run .exes i had to reload my computer ant least three times because of crappy AVG
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Leicanos September 17, 2007, 08:43:11 AM
  • Don't be HarmanSmith.
Thanks.

Thanks a lot, now I can't play Nanaya online and spam Harm...I mean online tactics anymore.

I hope you're happy  >:(

: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Dipstick September 17, 2007, 09:25:20 AM
  • Don't be Dipstick.

Fixed.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Zaelar September 19, 2007, 02:26:43 PM
  • Don't be Dipstick.

Fixed.

You're not supposed to do that offline either.

Laptops are not worse by default.  If you want to compare same price, yes they are worse, but if you're comparing same spec, they are the same.  If you want to say something like 'but laptops don't have this' then you aren't comparing the same specs.  That said, most of the time if you have both a laptop and a desktop, the desktop is going to be better unless its horridly outdated or bargain bin desktop vs best laptop you can get.
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Legendary Blue Shirt September 30, 2007, 11:29:37 AM
Choose a stage with a static background, like any Tohno Mansion stage.  Avoid the animated ones like Warc's, Shiki's, Sion's etc.

You can disable background animations in the options too.  Just set stage type to "simple"
: Re: What not to do when netplaying
: Cloud Nine November 04, 2007, 08:24:48 PM
Yeh.

And I'm using my laptop, AND I'm on a wired connection too, I don't have any problems with running MBAC. I run MSN Messenger in the background, torrent and it's STILL 60FPS with no spiking >_>.

Although there are downtimes, like once a month.