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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2008, 06:12:33 AM »
his damage is somewhat decent 3.5k - 4k ish off meterless 2A bnbs

but it looks like his blahblah 214B dash towards opponent 2A 5C 623B combos seem character dependent

yeah dive kick is great
but th pressure loss is a really hard blow to him, it's nice for low 2As that have bullshit speed and recovery but ...yeah
it sucks not being able to 5A whiff in blockstrings, i end up using 22C a lot instead
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2008, 01:01:25 AM »
Looks like Full Moon Nanaya has his j.2 set changed, and his 236... I hope it's for the better (PLEASE!!!!!)

I'll attempt to try and get a spot to play at the Loketest for the patch...絶対無理ww
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2008, 08:23:58 AM »
hope j2 become unsheildable  and 236 take more damage (やっば無理だ

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2008, 08:27:04 AM »
wwwww無理でしょう

yeah i'm hoping 236 gives more dmg, or at least maybe better recovery on it when blocked...
j2 to get lots of +f on block!!!!! (lol i wish)
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2008, 05:27:57 AM »
ok so
236 has more dmg, okuhoshi
before i'd get like 2.2k dmg from a bnb using them, but with the update to it, it now does 2.7kish+ instead
so it got buffed in dmg department a bit, i didn't get to see if i could cancel it into shoryus at anything, maybe after the second slash or something...i tried like 236 623 but nothing happened, maybe all that got buffed on it was dmg

as for j.2 set...it feels like the startup is faster, and MAYBE it can be comboed off of now, i hit a nero with j.2C then was able to bnb him right after...need to test it out some more

overall i didn't get to play much today (Five times in the course of two hours)
but at least F nanaya is better than before
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2008, 08:48:48 AM »
236 a/b still the same? my dream is one of them would be end with Hassen :(

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2008, 06:12:36 PM »
wellllllll.....
EX ends with Hassen! (sorta)

i wasn't able to see much else aside from the damage it did, maybe a bit faster, or slightly more +f on block?
I'd need to play a bit more to tell, I could only find out some info because every time i had a chance to play was against someone else
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2008, 07:17:27 AM »
Found a good C and H Nanaya match on YT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOkX5idJj_A

So what do you think is Nanaya's groove in MBAA? H-Nanaya to me so far looks the strongest with basically similar blockstrings (albeit a bit nerfed) of MBAC Nanaya but better BnBs all in all.

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2008, 08:33:36 AM »
All of the Styles seem viable for MBAA, so far. (Although I've been using C and F heavily, and H moderately)
but to be honest, F doesn't seem to be as great as C and H
(round 1 C nanaya coulda had that match in the bag :( )
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2008, 01:10:47 PM »
C Nanaya looks superior to me.  He has the best normals for laying on pressure, as practically all of them move him forward.  He has 22[b] for added mixup and to help deal with people who can play keepaway well.  He also has the 623b/c throw end, which suddenly turns his antiair into an oki setup.  H Nanaya may have a higher damage bnb, but it looks like C Nanaya is stronger in just about every other aspect.  And F Nanaya is definitely the weakest.  The only thing he really has is awesome oki game via 236 combos into fastfall shenanigans.
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2008, 04:59:25 PM »
all u can do after 623bb/cc for oki  just dash 2a...

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2008, 11:45:53 PM »
all u can do after 623bb/cc for oki  just dash 2a...
Seriously?  Well then, I stand corrected.  It looked like there was enough time to do some fastfall tricks.  My mistake.
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2008, 09:00:46 AM »
small info today on Cnanaya and Hnanaya
for half moon nanaya, if you land the final hit of the 5A 6AA, it produces a launch effect so you may aerial them afterwards

for C Nanaya...
happy fun combos with 214B! sht is sick, seriously

make sure you're close so you get the popup version of 214B

for C, you can do the same thing you can in F, combo into 214B, then dash toward 2A 5C -> aerial
so just do like 2ABC 214B dash toward 2A 5C -> aerial
as a easy combo
if you have your back towards the wall, and opponent in front of you
2ABC 214B dash toward 2A 5C 623C 2A 5C -> aerial

because there is a vertical high jump now, you can use 5BB in combos for more damage
2ABC 5BB highjump j.C j.B jc j.B j.C airthrow
2ABC 5C 5BB highjump j.C j.B jc j.B j.C airthrow
are basic bnbs using 5BB instead, dmg is alot higher than normal

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2008, 12:07:54 PM »
Hey Akira, try some of these to compare damage and post up the results if you can remember. 

2b5c2c 5bb aircombo
2b5c2c 214b 2a5c aircombo
5bc2c 214b 2a5c aircombo
5bc2bc 214b 2a5c aircombo

Also, as a point of comparison, what sort of damage was H Nanaya getting off of his strongest bnbs?
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2008, 06:48:17 PM »
H Nanaya just seems more versatile imo. More BnB set ups (combo off 236, as well as that 'donkey kick'). And 2A hits low now.

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2008, 08:58:03 PM »
i'll try and check today on those combos (i hope today)

also, updated first post with new info for Full and Crescent
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2008, 02:42:09 AM »
H Nanaya just seems more versatile imo. More BnB set ups (combo off 236, as well as that 'donkey kick'). And 2A hits low now.
I argue that he's only more versatile if you're not looking at his blockstring game, which is what Nanaya is all about.  C's 236 allows him to move closer or further away from the opponent as the situation demands, rather than a 236 that restricts movement and has less active frames.  Also, personally, I prefer the 2a that hits mid, as it can easily stuff any move with low invincibility (such as many characters' overheads).  H's donkey kick is nothing to scoff at, for sure.  It seems like H's main advantage over the other styles.  I just don't think it'll be enough to compete with C's superior pressure.

Akira and okuhoshi, what do you two think about it?  You're really the ones who would know more than Dragonthorn or I, since we're just theory and you can actually take this shit into play and say what works and what doesn't.
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2008, 09:08:40 AM »
my opinion

CM
strong point:
-system (u can choose whenever u want to heat)
-623 Loop
-be22b
-blockstring
-u used to it....

weak point
-as ver.b ...T T(no strong mix ups and etc)




HM

strong point:
-system(save your life, BUT NOT AFTER VER A ANYMORE!)
-214
-5c(against air)
-blockstring
-623c (just look handsome, that's it  a very slow start move)
-has more damage bnb

weak point
-u always lack MC
-2a(yeah,i heard my friend say, his 2a can NEVER counter others not even double counter.
-again, as ver.b ...

*236 has bad point also good, good point is: much faster and can follow combo


FM

strong point:
-a lot of cool move
 -236
 -j2
 -j66
 -ABC(萌え上がるか☆
-LA(takes 7k damage)
-mix up(ja/b/c)
-26D

weak point:
-less damage than other style
-blockstring (no rb)
-2a(range)




above all, i would perform FM :psyduck:

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2008, 05:48:52 PM »
Ok more theory fighter!

Good point for HM losing 236 mobility. That is quite a big nerf for his blockstring game. But doesn't the donkey kick sort of make up for that? I sort of saw it pushing him forward and safe to reset to 2a (which has more range from the looks of it from C's 2a).

Actually in terms of pressure, I think FM wins it... i dunno just based from what I've seen. He has low damage output, but his BnBs leave him right next to the opp. And spam 2as + F-dive seems to lock down opps better than C's standard blockstring pressure. Sure it looks ugly but it seems to do the job.

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2008, 07:28:49 PM »
mmm okuhoshi kinda summed up my opinions on it
he said pretty much what I would say about the forms


a gripe i sorta have with Half Nanaya's Hatten is how it needs to be like a certain distance to hit crouching opponents, if you aren't that distance and you do it...eesh. At least with Crescent you can opt to move in close or back
the speed is great, but the area it hits and the lack of movement kind of put me in the middle for this

Half Nanaya's 214 set is pretty good, you can close distance with it, CH opponents, use the EX as an ender for more damage,

Half Nanaya's 5B also reaches pretty far, so you can almost always include it in your BnBs for extra damage, where as with Crescent, the elbow thrust isn't too far reaching. (although i'm unsure about the properties for proration/dmg is the same as 5B...most likely not i think)


if you land a 623B with Crescent, you can do the grab at the end to ensure a down, with Full you can flash kick them and aerial to a grab for a down, but with Half it'll be the same as MBAC Nanaya 623B, they can tech it in the air

as far as damage output goes, I'd probably put Crescent and Half on around the same level, and then Full Moon for last
Crescent's Rikuto loops, and Half's One Deer enders

Full can opt to end BnBs in two different ways, knockdowns with you and the opponent on the floor, or end with aerials, opting to do an aerial ender will give more damage, but will limit your options for oki, where as ending with 236 will give knockdowns where you and your opponent are on the floor, however damage output will be around 1000 less damage.

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He has low damage output, but his BnBs leave him right next to the opp. And spam 2as + F-dive seems to lock down opps better than C's standard blockstring pressure. Sure it looks ugly but it seems to do the job.
unfortunately since he has low damage output, it also means you'll need to nail them more times than you would if you were Crescent, unless you're fighting an opponent who is using a chara you can 214B in your combos for extra damage,  you do have a valid point though. sadly the lack of RB makes it a bit harder to keep them locked down

the horizontal airdash is very fast and great

overall, I like Crescent and Full the most, although I would like to play Half more
I've had more wins with Crescent than Half and Full so far though

but ehh, that's my two cents only, to be honest i still think each mode is a viable option, but damage wise Crescent and Half for sure take the cake

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2008, 06:12:25 PM »
Honestly the F Nanaya that I've been seeing, imo, seems like an unfinished product more than anything. Given that his gameplay mechanics are much diff from waht we are all used to from Nanaya. Even w/o RB, he would have greatly benefitted from a move that could push him forward (like a special maybe) then leave enough window for a 2a reset. Also, does 22c make up for the loss of whiff canceling?

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2008, 06:40:23 PM »
22C doesn't make up for it that much, it helps to give me a bit of breathing room at times
it's just knowing when to back off i guess for the most part
they sometimes flinch when i do 22C though, and start blocking high so I just 2C and either do 236 ender or 623 ender for a bnb

also, Crescent Nanaya has a 236A change now, in the latest revision..what could this change be..

imgs from the latest Arcadia mag...Nanaya information written by ILS!


second one pretty much just talks about his 623 in his different styles, and the extensions
last one is bnbs
half
5B 2B 5C 2C 214A 5A 214A 5A 5C jc j.B j.C jc j.B j.C j.214C
full
2ABC 623BB jc j.B j.C airthrow




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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2008, 07:13:09 PM »
what book it is? :D

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2008, 07:47:56 PM »
what book it is? :D
oh
it's the Arcadia Issue for December
Issue no. 103
there is stuff for every character, but Roa and Ries have a whole page to themselves
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2008, 08:31:29 PM »
i was hopin to see 芹 or パロスペ's comment
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