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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #75 on: November 05, 2008, 08:40:02 PM »
i want te see 芹 or パロスペ's comment through : :fap:
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2008, 08:42:06 PM »
パロスペ was the only nanaya player in 08 tokken   8)

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2008, 08:51:53 PM »
i remember パロスペ the most for....
THIS VID!
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=UyipUb_B5oE
lol
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2008, 09:05:11 PM »
救われないな…  :psyduck:
Nanaya just cant defence any Loli
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2008, 09:38:54 PM »
救われないな…  :psyduck:
Nanaya just cant defence any Loli
miyako is getting her revenge from arcade mode!
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2008, 05:31:17 AM »
ok so lolisauce, i tried out like
5B 5C 2C 5BB and 5B 5C 2C 214B combos...
The different was about 200-300 points of damage on kohaku.

I can't remember which it was exactly that did more, I'm pretty sure it was 5BB though.
5B 5C 2C 5BB -> aerial = 5.1k
5B 5C 2C 214B dash 2A 5C -> aerial = 4.8k


also, think i've found out when you can IH

any move that is normally EX cancellable is when you can IH
so that would explain 236C's hit before knockdown and 623B...
because 236C is EX cancellable at a certain point into 623C, and that is the same spot where you can IH
623B's first hit is cancellable into 236C, 623C or Arc Drive, and that is the same spot also where you can IH
You can't EX cancel 214B or his 236A/B so that could also explain why you cannot IH those...
I want to try and test this with other characters to be 100% sure though.

also...because you can IH his 623B, you can make dumb combos

2A 5B 2B 2C 623B IH 2C 623B 41236C
that combo is sexy as hell, but the damage was like 3.6k lol

with Roa almost at corner...
5B 5C 2C 214B 2C 5C -> aerial = 7k
dumb lol
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2008, 11:20:06 AM »
5B 5C 2C 5BB -> aerial = 5.1k
Did you mean 2B 5C 2C 5BB aerial?  Cuz otherwise you have 5b in there twice, which doesn't make sense.  lol

with Roa almost at corner...
5B 5C 2C 214B 2C 5C -> aerial = 7k
dumb lol
Wat.  Is that with an IH?  Oh, it must be 2C IH 5C.  F can't 2C 5C normally, right?
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2008, 06:59:20 PM »
5B 5C 2C 5BB -> aerial = 5.1k
Did you mean 2B 5C 2C 5BB aerial?  Cuz otherwise you have 5b in there twice, which doesn't make sense.  lol

with Roa almost at corner...
5B 5C 2C 214B 2C 5C -> aerial = 7k
dumb lol
Wat.  Is that with an IH?  Oh, it must be 2C IH 5C.  F can't 2C 5C normally, right?

lmao my bad yeah 2B 5C 2C 5BB  aerial for Crescent nanaya


and the combo on roa...forgot to label it as crescent
 dumb damage, right?
but that'd be only in the first version of MBAA, his def as of VerA was beefed up
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2008, 11:31:58 PM »
Ah okay.  So is 5bc 2c 214b 2c 5c aerial a viable combo for C Nanaya?  That sounds pretty beefy.
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2008, 06:50:32 AM »
Ah okay.  So is 5bc 2c 214b 2c 5c aerial a viable combo for C Nanaya?  That sounds pretty beefy.
yeah it's viable but it's as long as the opponent is nearby the corner, it's pretty painful, on other charas the output was going pretty high, like 5.5kish+

if you want to be fancy, instead of doing 2C 5C, you can do 2C 623B 41236C
I still cannot get definite numbers on all those bnbs lolisauce x_o
people keep challenging me when i want to sit down and test stuff

in my opinion, I think using 214B in combos is better suited for C Nanaya than F Nanaya
It is possible with both, but F may have more trouble trying to catch certain characters after you 214B them  due to his short ranged 2A, where as C Nanaya's 2A reaches so far, it's pretty much free


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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2008, 12:59:46 AM »
two vids with nanaya in them, C and H
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=82xuIgbg-hk
at 4:46, Half Nanaya does this sexy looking combo but doesn't finish it

looks like 5B 2B 5C 5A 6AA 2Awhiff 2C 214A

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs
another vid
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2008, 07:19:52 AM »
Probably the best F Nanaya I've seen so far:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5213199

Looking at the video, while his blockstring options are not as varied than the other grooves, F Dive more than makes up for it as well as his slash special being relatively safe (think there's just a small gap) between it and a well placed 2a (?), or whatever that low was.

His BnBs though, while most of the time do not deal much damage, sets up F Nanaya's arguably very strong oki game. Question, does F Dive have to be blocked high? If it can only be blocked high then it's a monster oki mix up given it's safe when blocked and can lead to more 2a pressure.

I also like how he has options on either to set up the oki or go for more damage when he does get to land his BnB... and 623 seems safe on wake up now and even to be able to be thrown every now and then because of the option to flip even when whiffed.

Oki mix up (if F Dive is only high blockable): either go to F Dive or jump, FF, 2aa (is that shit low blockable only? Seemed like it)
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2008, 04:01:02 PM »
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2008, 12:12:23 AM »
dam DragonThorn
that F Nanaya is beast and angry
yeah 2A needs to be blocked low, and dive kicks needa be blocked high
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2008, 12:30:05 AM »
That's video 10 from this playlist:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/9395814

The last 3 videos are all nothing but that F Nanaya winning. Last match ends with 3x WARUI NE too, and he wins another match by just doing WARUI NE x6.

Anyways is F Nanaya rekka supposed to be 236AAA/BBB or you actually have to do like 236A 236A 236A? It's much faster than any other rekka and it doesn't look like something you could input without accidentally doing 623 fairly often at that speed.

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2008, 01:06:52 AM »
it's 236 input once for each time
ionno, i've never had a problem doing it really, never had a 623 come out ever
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2008, 02:18:58 AM »
What I like about F Nanaya is that FF can be used in the high-low mix up. Easily that makes it a killer oki option as both have more or less the same timing. It almost ends up being a guessing game, which is why you see a lot of players in that vid get baited during wake up. And if they guess right? Well it leads to a blockstring, which can lead to ticks... which can lead to oki... well you get the idea.

And the damage versatility looks... fun! I like the stuff that you can do with the flip kick. The new IH mechanic makes his moves all the more interesting as, admittedly, MBAC Nanaya BnBs can get boring at times (which is why you try to land the EX corner combo to amuse yourself). Oh, and 623 is SAFE on wake up from what I see because of the flip. I wonder if you can follow up the flip with an F Dive? Probably not, but that would be awesome if you could!

Who needs whiffs? After the 236a (just one) during a blockstring, he can still somewhat reach with some of his normals, F Dive, or IAD now (since it travels a lot farther).

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2008, 03:04:04 AM »
What I like about F Nanaya is that FF can be used in the high-low mix up. Easily that makes it a killer oki option as both have more or less the same timing. It almost ends up being a guessing game, which is why you see a lot of players in that vid get baited during wake up. And if they guess right? Well it leads to a blockstring, which can lead to ticks... which can lead to oki... well you get the idea.

And the damage versatility looks... fun! I like the stuff that you can do with the flip kick. The new IH mechanic makes his moves all the more interesting as, admittedly, MBAC Nanaya BnBs can get boring at times (which is why you try to land the EX corner combo to amuse yourself). Oh, and 623 is SAFE on wake up from what I see because of the flip. I wonder if you can follow up the flip with an F Dive? Probably not, but that would be awesome if you could!

Who needs whiffs? After the 236a (just one) during a blockstring, he can still somewhat reach with some of his normals, F Dive, or IAD now (since it travels a lot farther).
623BB is only able to be followed after on hit. If you whiff the flip kick, you'll fall straight back down without being able to do anything as if you did a normal shoryu. Those guys just aren't punishing him for some reason. (I've been punished after a blocked 623BB on wakeup)

a safewakeup shoryu would prolly just be like 623B IH, but that'd be only if you're in max sadly
but at least it's kind of like, if you do wakeup shoryu and it hits you get a 2.6k+ reversal, if not you get a free HEAT for life back


I wrote down a list of IH combos a few days ago in the first post. They pretty much all involve cancelling the first hit of 623B and doing stuff after. With IH, you can do some fun stuff I guess.
My personal favorite is 2A 5B 2B 2C 623B IH 2C 623B 41236C
something even flashier would be like 2A 5B 2B 2C 214B dash 2A 5B 623B IH 2C 623B 41236C

for F Nanaya you have either a BnB -> Oki or
BnB for damage
damge wise is gonan just be like 3.6kish or something anyway though


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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2008, 07:37:01 AM »
623aa is safer than 623bb.

I played F-nanaya all weekend and he's definitely going to be the char I play most. C-nanaya is just a toned down MBAC nanaya (slow 2b, less range on 5c, no more 2b5c214b as corner oki, nerf of aaaaaaa in general); and I like playing H-nanaya (and his damage) but he does get kinda boring quick.

I was using *whatever*2c236aa as my bnb, but パロスペ was opting to just keep them standing and do 236aaa. I tried them both and felt like my way set up better for the oki and gave an extra second to prep, but after watching him I'll try out 236aaa again.

And finally nanaya can do that stupid Akiha lvl0 mixup- ja > ja or ja > 2a. パロスペ  was abusing that in the corner :fap:
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2008, 06:08:52 PM »
looks like for f nanaya instead of keeping them locked down blocking, you'll be having a serious high low game instead
i need to try that nanaya's way of dive kicks now instead, ~ 5C 3 rekkas + moving forward jump then dive kick

before i was using ~2C and two rekkas like you jiyuna lol

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2008, 06:45:18 PM »
Full moon's j.A/j.B seem to come out really fast and look like they're really strong for the corner game. Being able to do a late falling j.AAB or something looks like you can make a REALLY fast switch between forcing them to block high and forcing them to block low (under 8 frames probably).

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2008, 01:47:54 AM »
Nanaya is admittedly boring to play as, but with all the IHs F Nanaya looks to be the most fun to use. He's got more than 2 BnBs now lol.

Sad to hear C Nanaya's nerfed from MBAC. But at least he's got more oki options.

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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #97 on: November 19, 2008, 05:14:54 AM »
if you do 2C 236x3 , the last hit can be teched because it's hitting them while they've been slammed to the ground already, because 2C lifts them up, and the second Rekka of the set will ground slam
if you do 5C 236x3, the last hit is what knocks them down

i'll edit this later with a pic of a full movelist for all of nanaya's forms from the latest tougeki damashii




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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #98 on: November 30, 2008, 10:17:23 PM »
214A overhead for Crescent and Full cannot be air teched on hit anymore
Full's 236 and j.2 is now ex cancellable
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Re: Nanaya MBAA Thread (C/H/F Moon)
« Reply #99 on: December 02, 2008, 12:39:48 AM »
Nice to see some buffs for the ole boy (that everyone seems to be abandoning these days).
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