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MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« on: August 03, 2010, 04:01:03 PM »
Since videos are popping up online, I thought it'd be a good idea to consolidate any possible info on Ryougi into one small thread.  Feel free to post any info, rumors, and rants here.  I'll try to update as often as possible.  

Info is still sketchy, as Japanese players are catching up but hopefully we'll see some excellent match videos posted soon.  There was a recent tournament on 8/1 where an F Ryougi player (called "K") took 1st out of 22 entrants, so there's hope yet.  There was one lone Ryougi player at SBO, who goes by the name Mao.  Might be someone to look out for in the future.


General

Her normals are now faster. (needs confirmation though)
Knife pickup range increased.
Arc Drive and Another Arc Drive range increased.
2C duration shortened.
236 Series: Still crosses up in combos, needs reverse input (e.g. 236A, 236A, 214A to get 236Ax3)
LAST ARC BUG REMOVED
Defense has been buffed from [1.05, 1, .95, .95] to [1.05, .97, .89, .86]



Crescent Moon

6C, 236C: Does less damage, adds circuit break.
623B now comes out slower.
BE22 knives can be blocked now.

Full Moon

j.B is slower.
4C is slower.
22C damage nerfed.
Second part of rekkas (namely 236B) is said to be lenient on command input.
2B is supposedly easier to use on OTG strings, albeit the specifics are unknown.
5B: Increased range? I saw it hit Warachia on crouch at max distance, although it might be due to his tall hitbox.
Backdash range seemingly increased, overall movement seems just as fast with less recovery lag.
236A, 236A, 236[C]: Last hit can be cancelled into IH, but not if fully charged.  It does do quite a bit of damage, and destroys the remaining red damage (not sure, need confirmation).


Half Moon

j.B is now slower.
j.6B is now slower.
4C is now slower.
3C has had some specifics changed, not sure if it's due to frame data or not.
There is now increased recovery on an air knife catch, and only lingers until landing.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 09:16:08 PM »
There was a recent tournament on 8/1 where an F Ryougi player (called "K") took 1st out of 22 entrants, so there's hope yet.

Vids?

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 09:19:01 PM »
There aren't any of videos of that player out (yet).  But this one has a C Ryougi player in the same tournament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwN37MDPKkE&feature=related

I'm not sure if this is the same guy, but he has a pretty good F Ryougi (although his combo game is a little lacking).

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11611622
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 10:57:01 PM »
Full list of changes, please correct me where I'm wrong.

source: http://www20.atwiki.jp/ryougisiki/pages/33.html

Overall:
Larger Knife pickup range
Arc Drive and AAD have longer unblock detection ranges.
2C got nerfed
Last Arc damage was changed (no specifics yet)

C-Moon:
623B comes out faster
6C->236C gives circuit break
22C got nerfed (something about the guard, either damage or guard time)

H-Moon:
j.B/j.6B are slower
3C was changed (no specifics yet)
4C is slower
Some nerf regarding knife catches. I think they have landing lag now?

F-Moon:
236C buff (translation request)
j.B slower
4C slower
22C is weaker
and the last one is regarding the rekkas. I don't know what it's saying :/.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 11:24:28 PM »
Thank you so much for this, I had lost the bookmark for the Japanese wiki.  Going to translate a few and update changes asap. (+heat for you bro)
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2010, 01:13:41 PM »
In general, I'm liking the new changes. Particularly, the addition of circuit break on 6c-623c. The only thing I'm worried about is the 2c nerf, hopefully the wallbounce catch still works.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 04:28:11 PM »
I'm not really happy about the changes, especially the tiny nerfs they did to half moon.  Although with all this talk about level upper moves being changed and what not, 5A might become extremely good now. 

2C might've affected the corner staples, but I'm sure there's something out there still.  I'm more worried about 3C loops now though.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 08:59:28 PM »
After looking at a few match vids I don't think that the 2c nerf effected the speed so the corner catch should still be viable.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2010, 01:09:53 PM »
I'm still waitin to see an H-Ryougi from Nico

so is this version going to find its way stateside other than it being put in random arcades around the country like another ps2 version of the game?

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2010, 01:34:37 PM »
Dang, this guy's F Ryougi is amazing! 214C on wakeup shenanigans into j.C COMBO and all kinds of other stuff  :slowpoke:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11662927

It looks like Ryougi's airdash got shortened, and j.236B (off of a regular ground combo) into 5A, 5B > 214C is the new corner combo?  Never seen anything like that before!
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2010, 02:53:14 PM »
I'm not surprised, C already can loop 214C so why shouldn't F be able to. I've been advocating the shenanigans of the 214 (and 421) series for a while now.

@Fmoon rekkas: I think they might be saying there's another rekka option for 236(whatever) 236b But that's what I got off of the awful google translation.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2010, 01:09:02 AM »
B rekkas -> 2A 2C 214C j.B (whiff) (land) -> followup

That's pretty much possible in MBAA as well, in MAX mode you can do some shit like

5B 2B 5C, B rekkas, 2A 5C tk.236C (land) 22A 5C 214C j.B (whiff) (land) 2B 5C j.B j.C (j) j.B j.C airthrow / j.236B
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2010, 06:05:40 PM »
Here's a good video of a C Ryougi player on Nico.  Really excellent use of j.A.

The player's name is オヤツロ(oyashiro).
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11848887

vs Neco Arc Chaos:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11848412
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2010, 09:30:54 PM »
The player was pretty ass :/...

Still waiting for a good C-Ryougi video. He kept messing up the 214A 2C combo which isn't that hard. The 5BB was too early and the 2C is also too early :/. It's an easy combo to do. Also his meter management was ass... He should almost always have 100 meter at all times.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2010, 09:48:58 PM »
I know he issn't as great as you, but compared to the other C Ryougi's around...it's better (sorta).  Also, 2C is different now, so maybe that screwed up his combo timing  :psyduck: 

Did you see the match where a Ryougi player got murdered by Len?  Was really ugly.  Couldn't jump in on her at all thanks to her crouch walk animation...brutal.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2010, 10:04:00 PM »
I know he issn't as great as you, but compared to the other C Ryougi's around...it's better (sorta).  Also, 2C is different now, so maybe that screwed up his combo timing  :psyduck: 

Did you see the match where a Ryougi player got murdered by Len?  Was really ugly.  Couldn't jump in on her at all thanks to her crouch walk animation...brutal.

j.C works on it. No way they would make j.C's hitbox not hit as low as it does. Doesn't matter what moon, all j.Cs hit pretty far under her.

I didn't see the match yet, but yeeeeah, JP has a long way to go
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2010, 12:11:09 AM »
The player was pretty ass :/...

Still waiting for a good C-Ryougi video. He kept messing up the 214A 2C combo which isn't that hard. The 5BB was too early and the 2C is also too early :/. It's an easy combo to do. Also his meter management was ass... He should almost always have 100 meter at all times.

The 63214C combo was still sweet, though it was invalid halfway through. But with some brushing up that player's gonna be shining.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2010, 01:22:40 AM »
Yeah I'm pretty sure that could have been valid if he did it a bit quicker. The combo looked nice, but definitely needs to be going for the more optimum shit, which I put a comment on nico on what he should do (if he watches the vid)

The best C-Ryougi I've seen so far is decent. He does long ass blockstrings like he should be. Interestingly uses 2B as a blockstring reset and staggers nicely. Fucks up every tk crescent though.

It's in this series of videos

http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/20443687

Uses the brown jacket color.

The F in the beginning of the 2nd video is decent. Knows how to do rekka pressure.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 08:20:05 AM »
Lots of vids popped up of the same guy.  Apparently uses F Ryougi, too.  I don't remember F doing so much damage, but it certainly looks nice.  It doesn't look like the people he plays against are very good, but for what it's worth, there's some interesting stuff all around.  I think he's just experimenting a lot in these vids.

vs Akiha
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11857814

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11858260

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11858693

vs Roa, Akiha
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11858993
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2010, 02:15:00 PM »
I know he issn't as great as you, but compared to the other C Ryougi's around...it's better (sorta).  Also, 2C is different now, so maybe that screwed up his combo timing  :psyduck:  

Did you see the match where a Ryougi player got murdered by Len?  Was really ugly.  Couldn't jump in on her at all thanks to her crouch walk animation...brutal.

j.C works on it. No way they would make j.C's hitbox not hit as low as it does. Doesn't matter what moon, all j.Cs hit pretty far under her.

I didn't see the match yet, but yeeeeah, JP has a long way to go

I was on the receiving end of that when I was facing Zero.  J.C's hitbox is too far forward to work because you'll fall right on top of the black cat that they lay. (At least that's the setup Zero was using, I don't have a nico account at the moment so I don't know about the vid you're talking about.)

Here's what I tried that didn't work:

j.b: requires you to be too close they'll catch you with 5c before the j.b hits.
214b: Just barely too high, crouchwalking Len is the only character it will whiff on. It even hits the Necos.
421b/421c: see 214b

The best option is probably to get behind them.


With regards to JP, I think they still have no idea what they're doing with the character. That and all most (good) players already have an established main and don't feel like giving it up to Ryougi.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2010, 03:13:14 PM »
I don't know.  I'm regretting the fact that I didn't save that link.  I know that Half and Full might have trouble, due to the fact that j.B doesn't hit very well air-to-ground, and j.C lacks enough horizontal range to be a threat (people who tend to crouch screw up jump-in timing a bit more drastically than other characters, imo).

Anyway, an impressive F Ryougi has popped up and goes by the name Duo Lon (デュオロン).  Check it out.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11881493
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2010, 03:17:20 PM »
I don't know.  I'm regretting the fact that I didn't save that link.  I know that Half and Full might have trouble, due to the fact that j.B doesn't hit very well air-to-ground, and j.C lacks enough horizontal range to be a threat (people who tend to crouch screw up jump-in timing a bit more drastically than other characters, imo).

C's j.c is what I'm talking about, but I don't think it would work particularly well for H or F either.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 12:28:47 AM »
If F-Ryougi's j.B is slower, is it still possible to connect a j.B after a tk.236B in corner? =/
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 02:21:20 AM »
If F-Ryougi's j.B is slower, is it still possible to connect a j.B after a tk.236B in corner? =/

Can you connect tk 236B to j.C or j.A?

tbh, j.B was retarded at 6 frames startup lol
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 09:01:38 AM »
You can't connect j.A because of its hitbox, but j.C is possible.
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