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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2010, 07:20:02 PM »
I really need to learn how to work with 62314c those mixups looked fun.

Well within watching each mixup at least twice, I can say how all of them work.

First one was easy. Delay j.22A to not cross up after superjump

Second one. Delay the 5X D in the custom combo to not cross up.

Third one (hardest to see). The delay the 4X 2X to not cross up. This one is especially hard since you need to keep the opponent at the lowest height possible so they can't airtech after the final 8X.

Though from seeing the damages on some of these, I'm not impressed. The first one is normal damage which is fine and dandy, I just don't like the thought of losing your knife if they guess right. The second one is pretty damn hard to do, I like it a lot and it's definitely my favorite of the bunch, but I see it as dropping a combo into a mixup which, to be honest, does less damage using more meter than just doing a standard left/right mixup. The third one only does 4k on Tohno. With 50 less meter on the standard mixup you get around 4.5k, and with a custom combo, 5.8k. No way I'm gonna do 1.8k less with the same meter just for a mixup like that. If I want the mixup I'll use the 100 meter variant I know.

of course the argument for using these are
  • They look cool
  • The 2nd one doesn't give the opponent time to think
  • More variety in the left/right mixups you use

Oh, the 3rd one is also a bitch to do overall. 1st and 2nd are pretty easy.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2010, 07:43:42 PM »
The second one looks like H's roll crossup.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2010, 12:07:45 AM »
It's the exact same concept / idea. Because they both use the same roll except H can do it without meter  :psyduck:
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2010, 09:25:38 AM »
More of Ieda's C-Ryougi

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12190231 Another F-Ryougi player in this one too..
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12190853

He really likes that tk236b.

Also, did he just try to confirm a chj.b with j.22b?

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2010, 10:20:52 AM »
Thanks for the uploads!  Yeah, that ch j.B into 22B was weird.  Maybe it works?  Never thought of using it like that...

And the list of Ryougi players in the first vid include Kimchi (F Ryougi) and Tatsuo (Yellow C Ryougi).  Tatsuo looked really good in that vid.  That's the kind of rush down I was expecting from Crescent: non-stop corner pressure pokes and the occasional 5B to keep them from jumping.  Really nice.  And 3.2k off of just a simple 421C > air combo...dang.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2010, 10:29:29 AM »
Are there any videos of good H-Ryougi players?

And which moon do you guys think is her best?

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2010, 10:44:30 AM »
For American players, you want to check out Nandeyanen or Shlowpoke.  They are the best H Ryougi players.  Fusui is the only one (who has vids) in Japan.  Fusui largely does the same thing as Nandeyanen and Shlowpoke, so you'll see a lot of similarities overall.

Personally I think Half and Crescent are tied for the best in MBAA, and Full poking out a bit ahead more in Current Code.  Crescent follows behind closely with Half just a step behind.

Each of the moons have their own strengths, so it's fairly even.  A lot of Japanese people suddenly realized Half's potential in Current Code after Fusui's vids came out, so there might be a surge of H Ryougi players coming, just like the wave of Full and Crescent players when the game first came out.  I hate to admit it, but Japan suffers from a hive-like mindset when it comes to playing characters (x-copying other people's strats and what not).
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2010, 10:53:55 AM »
Yeah I watched videos of all the three different moons for her.

I watched quite a few of Fusui's matches and he made H-Ryougi look like a lot of fun. So atm I'm trying her out. I dunno why but I'm generally not a fan of Crescent..

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2010, 02:47:37 PM »
Thanks for the uploads!  Yeah, that ch j.B into 22B was weird.  Maybe it works?  Never thought of using it like that...

It looks like it would work and the angle was off. I don't really see the benefit of using it over land 5bb aircombo. Maybe he thought he wouldn't land in time.

Edit: Just tested it, it does work but there's really no point.

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And 3.2k off of just a simple 421C > air combo...dang.
That's easy to do and isn't new. I think I mentioned it in the C-Ryougi thread before.
I also tested a bit, it is possible to combo off of, 421c j.c dj. j.b j.c j236b/c works and does around 3.9 k.
To be specific 421c j.c dj j.bc j236b does 3.4k the j236c ender increases it to 3.9k.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2010, 10:53:56 AM »
For American players, you want to check out Nandeyanen or Shlowpoke.  They are the best H Ryougi players.  Fusui is the only one (who has vids) in Japan.  Fusui largely does the same thing as Nandeyanen and Shlowpoke, so you'll see a lot of similarities overall.

Personally I think Half and Crescent are tied for the best in MBAA, and Full poking out a bit ahead more in Current Code.  Crescent follows behind closely with Half just a step behind.

Each of the moons have their own strengths, so it's fairly even.  A lot of Japanese people suddenly realized Half's potential in Current Code after Fusui's vids came out, so there might be a surge of H Ryougi players coming, just like the wave of Full and Crescent players when the game first came out.  I hate to admit it, but Japan suffers from a hive-like mindset when it comes to playing characters (x-copying other people's strats and what not).

Well, the game is new and all, they're still figuring out the changes and Ryougi in general. But I'm happy she has her defense buffed up some. Plus Full is looking WAY better than on MBAA console right now.  :fap:
Arguing on which FF game is best doesn't make sense to me.  It feels like you might as well be picking out who's the best schoolyard ball player of the kids who didn't get picked for either team.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2010, 04:23:00 PM »
I wish they gave C-Ryougi a little bit more + frames :(
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »
Ditto.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2010, 07:34:18 PM »
Totally agree.  All of the Ryougi styles seem like incomplete versions that are just missing that one thing...
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2010, 09:36:32 PM »
like, my main gripe is C-Ryougi's knives are all REALLY terrible except for 22C which is only +8 and uses meter. H knives are so much better in comparison in EVERY ASPECT, it's like, why bother give C the move?

22A is -3 for C, +9 for F and H. the downward angle is absolutely terrible.
22B is -3 for all moons and is an absolutely terrible move... Only advantage is that it's somehow active longer than C's 22A. Still terrible
22C is +8 for C, but +3 for each hit for H. Don't know about F. The mook says -19 which is IMPOSSIBLE seeing as the move is only 17 frames in total.

Either way, C-Ryougi gets destroyed in this.

Other frame stuff, the best C-Ryougi can get with a move or a whiff cancel is -1 on normals. No resets at all. Even if she had resets, her best poke is 9 frames of startup which is fairly slow.

Best off of rekka? -6 on the 2nd and 3rd rekka. Can definitely be punished unless you EX cancel it. (though the rekka that needs EX cancelling is -7.

The frame advantage for C-Ryougi

I would like at least one blockstring reset that's even (+/- 0) D:

Oh well, I'll just have to stick to staggers.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2010, 10:07:50 PM »
like, my main gripe is C-Ryougi's knives are all REALLY terrible except for 22C which is only +8 and uses meter. H knives are so much better in comparison in EVERY ASPECT, it's like, why bother give C the move?

22A is -3 for C, +9 for F and H. the downward angle is absolutely terrible.
22B is -3 for all moons and is an absolutely terrible move... Only advantage is that it's somehow active longer than C's 22A. Still terrible
22C is +8 for C, but +3 for each hit for H. Don't know about F. The mook says -19 which is IMPOSSIBLE seeing as the move is only 17 frames in total.

Either way, C-Ryougi gets destroyed in this.

Other frame stuff, the best C-Ryougi can get with a move or a whiff cancel is -1 on normals. No resets at all. Even if she had resets, her best poke is 9 frames of startup which is fairly slow.

Best off of rekka? -6 on the 2nd and 3rd rekka. Can definitely be punished unless you EX cancel it. (though the rekka that needs EX cancelling is -7.

The frame advantage for C-Ryougi

I would like at least one blockstring reset that's even (+/- 0) D:

Oh well, I'll just have to stick to staggers.

I find that I hardly ever use the ground knives except 22c. Not worth it at all. j22 has random zoning/mixups going for it.

And keep in mind we have 7 unblockables, two of which are ranged.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2010, 10:08:21 PM »
With all due respect though, she has a REPEATABLE JUMP A, a standing 5A that's a great whiff cancel, NINE DIFFERENT unblockables, a really good get-out-of-jail card (421C), and access to heat whenever she's over 100%.  Not to mention more range than 80% of the cast, and a custom combo EX move that's spam-friendly (63214C).

Count your blessings and use them to your advantage imho.  We can bitch and moan about her as much as we want, but it's not going to change much if at all anything :-[
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #91 on: November 11, 2010, 05:35:47 AM »
With all due respect though, she has a REPEATABLE JUMP A, a standing 5A that's a great whiff cancel, NINE DIFFERENT unblockables, a really good get-out-of-jail card (421C), and access to heat whenever she's over 100%.  Not to mention more range than 80% of the cast, and a custom combo EX move that's spam-friendly (63214C).

Count your blessings and use them to your advantage imho.  We can bitch and moan about her as much as we want, but it's not going to change much if at all anything :-[

wtf spam friendly? I wouldn't say custom combo is spam friendly... And repeatable jump A is pretty universal for a lot of C moon characters, though compared to H and F, yeah.

I dunno though, every time I just look at the frame data it's telling me to play H.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #92 on: November 11, 2010, 09:17:42 AM »
Yeah, spam-friendly.  I saw a matchvid where some player would chip away at guard meter and then when it got somewhat low, he'd activate CC mode and just go ballistic.  Also used it to chase down people who would airtech in an attempt to hit them before they land.  Was hella funny and scrubby looking at the same time  :bleh:
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2010, 10:32:13 AM »
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2010, 11:03:10 AM »
I saw a matchvid where some player would chip away at guard meter and then when it got somewhat low, he'd activate CC mode and just go ballistic.  Also used it to chase down people who would airtech in an attempt to hit them before they land.  Was hella funny and scrubby looking at the same time  :bleh:

Let's get a link to that, sounds amusing if nothing else.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2010, 11:48:43 AM »
That's actually really easy to EX guard :/
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2010, 12:50:00 PM »
If you spam the same attack repeatedly, yeah.

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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2010, 09:51:25 PM »
It's still easy to EX guard regardless. Just keep mashing down back and react to overhead. If you see a roll MASH the hell out of it.

Also against good people, the unblockables are all terrible. Easily punishable.
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2010, 08:49:30 AM »
Let's get a link to that, sounds amusing if nothing else.

Oh man.  I saw it about a week or two weeks ago, but if I can find it again I'll repost it.  Don't cross your fingers though.  I hate sifting through 28 minute long nico douga vids (they really ought to let you skip forward).
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Re: MBACC Ryougi Discussion Thread
« Reply #99 on: November 13, 2010, 03:37:32 AM »
I still find the lack of interest in F-Ryougi sad.
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