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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #125 on: April 02, 2010, 01:16:10 PM »
You can also use it to crossup if you're close enough.

I don't recommend this at all. The recovery is pretty bad, EX knife won't cover the roll at all (you can mash out for free), and due to that, rolling to the other side for oki isn't very good either. It's not a very slick move, sadly.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #126 on: April 02, 2010, 01:23:27 PM »
You can also use it to crossup if you're close enough.

I don't recommend this at all. The recovery is pretty bad, EX knife won't cover the roll at all (you can mash out for free), and due to that, rolling to the other side for oki isn't very good either. It's not a very slick move, sadly.

You can use it in some oki setups.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2010, 08:04:16 PM »
You can also use it to crossup if you're close enough.

I don't recommend this at all. The recovery is pretty bad, EX knife won't cover the roll at all (you can mash out for free), and due to that, rolling to the other side for oki isn't very good either. It's not a very slick move, sadly.

I don't recommend it either, but you can still do it, for those who are interested.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #128 on: April 04, 2010, 11:21:23 AM »
You can also use it to crossup if you're close enough.

I don't recommend this at all. The recovery is pretty bad, EX knife won't cover the roll at all (you can mash out for free), and due to that, rolling to the other side for oki isn't very good either. It's not a very slick move, sadly.

You can use it in some oki setups.

I haven't seen any yet. :(
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #129 on: April 04, 2010, 11:45:58 AM »
I haven't seen any yet. :(

Corner:
2a, 5bb, 2b, 5c, 2c, TK j.236b, 5bb, 214a, 2c, 2a (whiff), dash into corner and 6a+b.

Try to push them almost all the way to the corner before you roll. Ryougi's body will cover them and make it really hard to tell if she pushed you all the way to the corner or not.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #130 on: April 04, 2010, 12:01:23 PM »
I haven't seen any yet. :(

Corner:
2a, 5bb, 2b, 5c, 2c, TK j.236b, 5bb, 214a, 2c, 2a (whiff), dash into corner and 6a+b.

Try to push them almost all the way to the corner before you roll. Ryougi's body will cover them and make it really hard to tell if she pushed you all the way to the corner or not.

You can also use 421c if you don't want the reverse beat penalty (mainly for an arc drive setup), but it's a slower whiff.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #131 on: April 12, 2010, 08:58:12 AM »
Hmm, corner combo. Req 100% meter and knife.
(j.C) 2A 5B(5BB) 2B 5C 2C tk236B 5BB 214C j.Bwhiff 2C 3C 623B 2C (slightly delay)5C 22A j.B(6B)C dj.BC 236B. 21/22 hits, 5460/5465 damage on C-Ries.
Tested with landing the j.C, ignored the first 5BB, and 21/22 hits depending on whether I threw in the j6B.

Considering j.C 2A 5B 2B 5C 2C 22A 3C 5BB 214A 2C 5C 5BB 214C j.Bwhiff 2C 3C 5C 5BB j.BC dj.BC 236B - 26 hits, 5591 on C-Ries. Same amount of meter, and still lose the knife.
Possible alternative if you feel like showing off, and have impeccable timing?

EDIT: As an afterthought, looking at the majority of my posts in this thread, boy I sure like to come up with some retarded combos.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2010, 02:56:43 PM »
I haven't seen any yet. :(

Corner:
2a, 5bb, 2b, 5c, 2c, TK j.236b, 5bb, 214a, 2c, 2a (whiff), dash into corner and 6a+b.

Try to push them almost all the way to the corner before you roll. Ryougi's body will cover them and make it really hard to tell if she pushed you all the way to the corner or not.

Damn I'm not the only one who found this one out :(. You can just get 2C and not whiff to still get meaty 2A on both sides.

There are also different kinds of mixups you can do off of it. Not just 6AB AB, but you can also do a high-low mixup with j.C or 2A. Though with 6AB you technically have a 3 way mixup (since you CAN get 4C meaty when you cross over only.) The mixup is very strong, especially since the command roll stays on your opponent's body whether or not you cross them up or not.

The corner combo I use for about 700+ more damage is 2A 5BB 2B 5C 2C 2369B 5BB 214A 22A j.C ad(catch)j.C dj.B6BC 236B. Though to be honest, I only do that if I know it's going to kill or if I know I have to try to make a big lead. Otherwise mixups are pretty strong, but not always reliable if your opponent guesses right. At least you get oki off of the shorter combo.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #133 on: June 01, 2010, 02:59:45 AM »
H has the most + frames of the moons. Confirmed by the mook.

3C is +3, 22A is +9, 22C is +3 on each hit. All of the 63214 moves are + on block (2/5/3 respectively)

Wow H is broken... More + frames than F lol
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #134 on: June 01, 2010, 07:50:20 AM »
I wouldn't count the 63214 moves. xD

Maybe I'm mistaken but I think the knife hits way before Ryougi lands, so you can't actually take advantage of the +frames.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #135 on: June 01, 2010, 12:22:37 PM »
I agree with Shlowpoke on that. However, you do have a few frames of blockstun to work with once you land, but not really enough to capitalize on.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #136 on: June 01, 2010, 02:36:02 PM »
Yeah I know, I just thought it was interesting.

Still. 3C and 22A are very commonly used moves for damn good reasons lol
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #137 on: June 01, 2010, 08:44:52 PM »
H has the most + frames of the moons. Confirmed by the mook.

3C is +3, 22A is +9, 22C is +3 on each hit. All of the 63214 moves are + on block (2/5/3 respectively)

Wow H is broken... More + frames than F lol

Jesus, that's nuts.

Do you own the mook, btw, or are there scans of the frame data or what?
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #138 on: June 02, 2010, 03:14:30 AM »
H has the most + frames of the moons. Confirmed by the mook.

3C is +3, 22A is +9, 22C is +3 on each hit. All of the 63214 moves are + on block (2/5/3 respectively)

Wow H is broken... More + frames than F lol

Jesus, that's nuts.

Do you own the mook, btw, or are there scans of the frame data or what?

I was given a scan. I'm taking all of the data and putting it into a spreadsheet, then putting it up on the wiki. I already have Crescent finished (and Crescent has the largest movelist. 65 moves)

However, there are parts which I think there are some typos or errors. Like a guard canceled 214D for C-Ryougi gives meter. or a 22C giving meter. Or a non-EX version of j.22C in the air, I gotta test that one too.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2010, 01:04:13 AM »
Can someone post up frame display for all of H Ryougi's air normals?  Specifically j.B and j.2B.  I have a sinking feeling about something..
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #140 on: July 23, 2010, 01:36:12 AM »
H Ryougi has no j2b so I guess you mean j6b.


jA
From left to right, frames 5-6, 7-9 and 10-15.


jB
From left to right, frames 3-6, 7-8 and 9-23 but the furthest greenbox on the right disappears for frames 19-23


j6B
From left to right, frames 4-6, 7-9 and 10-18


jC
From left to right, frames 6-7, 8-10 and 11-18.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2010, 07:14:03 AM »
Sorry yeah, I meant j.6B.  I keep forgetting notation lately  :(

Thanks for the visuals though.  No wonder I keep getting counter-hitted in the air; her hitbox extends out way too far.  Is this true for the rest of the cast?  Because I'm gonna start using j.6B instead of everything else now for air footsies.

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but the furthest greenbox on the right disappears for frames 19-23

Only jB disappears?  Does that mean all the other air normals have open hitboxes that last up to 15 and 18 frames?
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #142 on: July 23, 2010, 12:59:37 PM »


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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #143 on: July 23, 2010, 07:08:04 PM »

jB
Frames 9-18, then 19-23

You'd be surprised at how much difference the disappearance of that last greenbox makes.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2010, 04:25:16 AM »
Is that anti-air for real?
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2010, 04:48:22 AM »
No it isn't. It exists in the frame data but there's no such attack. The developers probably thought of putting it in but thought otherwise for some reason.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2010, 05:30:32 AM »
Ah, so it's actually in the frame data and not some diabolical creation of some cruel hearted person.  Or is it...  :slowpoke:
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2010, 01:43:45 PM »
New knifeless rejump BnB

2A 2B 5BB 5C 2C 5A 6A delay A jump9 delay j.BC land  j.8BC dj.BC j.236B

Does more damage than the knife catch BnB as well. You can omit the rejump j.B to make it a LOT easier.

This is better for far hit confirms, otherwise just go into loops.
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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #148 on: October 12, 2010, 02:02:09 PM »
Ah, so it's actually in the frame data and not some diabolical creation of some cruel hearted person.  Or is it...  :slowpoke:

Arc has more, she still has the framedata for the crosscounter.

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Re: H-Ryougi Thoughts Without a Thread
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2010, 04:56:44 PM »
New knifeless rejump BnB

2A 2B 5BB 5C 2C 5A 6A delay A jump9 delay j.BC land  j.8BC dj.BC j.236B

Does more damage than the knife catch BnB as well. You can omit the rejump j.B to make it a LOT easier.

This is better for far hit confirms, otherwise just go into loops.

jp did better one.

2A 2B 5BB 5C 2C delay 5A 6AA 9 delay j.C airdash j.AC land 8 j.C dj.AC j.236B
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