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Millenium Castle Brunestud => Melty Breadcast => : mizuki September 03, 2010, 04:46:31 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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Comments and criticism here.
For podcast specific feedback, please post in it's episode's thread.
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Be gentle~
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Miz, since you are the main host, you should be asking more stuff and playing a more active role. You were mad quiet compared to Fox and Chibi. They were basically leading the entire thing, whereas I thought you were going to be leading off the main topics and then they were going to ask supporting questions and such. It's not like you can't be loud or something, haha.
Also one other big thing, you guys have to practice some sort of outro, lol. You guys were like "Okay, see you later Tom" and then talk for another 10 minutes. lol. I didn't really mind, but it's just silly when you're saying goodbyes three times over the last 10 minutes of the show.
Overall it wasn't too bad. Felt like you guys were scrambling for direction a few times, but that's to be expected when you're still fresh at it. Maybe try some practice runs interviewing random people in chat or something to try getting used to branching into another topic when the discussion is starting to stagnate or ending things on a strong note. On the positive note, I'm glad you guys managed to keep the discussion from veering off onto certain unrelated subjects pretty well.
Edit:
Talking in chat about it, I think it'd be beneficial if you guys split up the cohosts so that there's only two people running each show. Just like, alternate the cohosts or whatever, you know? I think having less people to juggle questions back and forth with will help reduce some of the awkwardness and random stutters in flow due to accidental interruptions and so on. It should help to streamline it a little.
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You should take Chibi out of the show and everything would be better :mystery:
no srsly...
I just got one thing to say: Add BGM... you can add it in post-production, which I think is the best option, you can just play it with low volume and that's it... :V
because srsly, w/o bgm it sounds pretty plain. Everything else, meh, I'm listening to it right now so, I'll get back here if anything.
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I'm actually NOT the main host.
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For a first episode, I liked it. May I suggest that you guys plan your questions for your guest(s) ahead of time so there's no confusion about where the conversation is going. Hopefully you touch on topics like the current Melty Blood scene and what the future may hold in store for Melty Blood and its community. Anyways, great start and I hope to hear more in the future.
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@ kona:
1. Our questions for Tom were planned already. If you listen to what I said, he had answered half of the questions without us having to ask them. Also, we did touch on the topics you're referring to as well.
@ Tim:
Yeah, Miz is just there. Fox and I are the actual 'hosts' of the show.
We'll work on an outro though, haha.
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cut out shit like "the mic died" for the final version
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Like I told Fox earlier on IRC, I expected the first show to be ass and more of a learning experience sort of thing.
+ Overall good show.
+ Nice first guest.
+ Not much off topic even to what Arly was saying.
+ You stuck to your notes and questions towards your guest and that was the most important thing.
+ You guys got good voices that people can listen to.
- Felt like I was losing Chibi near the end like he was tired.
- Need to make a systematic approach when it comes to Q&A time (one at a time sort of) and take turns asking the questions.
- Need an outro.
I'm not hating on the pauses and the technical problems. That's a given and it happens all the time. Just gotta edit it during post-show. You guys did a good job IMO and am looking forward to more episodes.
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The entire process of this show actually took around four hours (being held up in the middle) so I was a little tired at that point.
Also, any suggestions for an outro?
Shit, do we even have an intro?
:psyduck:
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Understandable.
You guys can work out the intro/outro thing a little later on. Proper introductions of the hosts were fine this time around imo.
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It's probably a non-issue, but is it possible to host files somewhere else instead of Mega Upload? It redirects you to other "sites" after the download begins, and it sucks.
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We'll be uploading it to Meltybread as soon the ftp works properly.
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Awesome, that's great to hear.
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As someone who's recently joined the community i think a cast with Arlieth was a great idea. Knowing how meltybread came together was really helpful.
A few times of random silence was funny.
Still great job guys, i look forward to the next cast
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-Pros
-Arlieth really stole the show with his knowledge and background in not just Melty Blood but in fighting games. Chibi complimented this interview very well as they both seemed prepared for what was going to be asked.
-Fox was paying attention the entire time to what was said and able to ask questions keeping the interview very dynamic.
-All three of you kept the direction flowing.
-All three of you were able to provide background information about your scene in either game dynamics, community review, or event attendance. The balance was nice between East Coast and West Coast, we want to get a good impression of the scene as a whole.
-Mentioning recent events to help keep the scene seem alive helps in production. Consider this a trial-run.
-Criticisms
-Mizuki you sounded like a 60-year old crack addict. Keep your voice clear! Don't be afraid of the mic.
-Brief pauses showed inexperience in this media form.
-All three of you were kinda taking a slow and steady overtone into the interview. The only hype I felt was from your guest!
-Work on your transitions better. There's no need for the announcers to ask "is there anything else we need to say", you should all confer about the main points before hand. The breaks inbetween topics really broke up the flow of the whole show in general. Save the freestyle for when you're used to doing these, 2-3 months down the line.
-Suggestions
-Miz & Chibi - Talk more upbeat, and sound interested in the conversation. I know things were rough for the first time, but don't let it inhibit future podcasts. 2am for you guys might be 2pm for someone a couple days down the line!
-Fox, don't worry about what needs to be edited in the middle of the show. Saying "we may need to cut that out" isn't really necessary. Discuss everything afterwards.
-You'll all be able to get over the brief pauses to make editing less of a pain, but you'll have to do some for now. It's annoying but as the announcers become more experienced, editing will be less and less necessary. For now the idea of adding a BGM in post-production (and only post-production) that someone mentioned earlier, until you all get used to the format, is an excellent idea. It's a nice workaround until you fill in the gaps yourself. Edit. Edit. Edit. It's not live so you have the luxury, even if it takes an extra day to come out. If you're recording Wednesday, it doesn't need to come out until Thursday.
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Pros: Arly knew his shit backwards and sideways.
Cons: Need's fluidity. Work on subject changing, eliminating long ass pauses, and not sounding so damn awkward half the time. Pretty much shit that's already been said.
Did better then SRK's first podcast (imo), but Arly kinda carried the show. Gotta get that HYPE for future episodes.
Also, if im not mistaken, the intro music was an arrange of Help Me! by Crow's Claw? IIRC, was titled "Catch the Dream: Satchin Arm" or something, right? Nice choice. They've got a newer arrangement of it on their "Original Intention" album. There's a handful of other arrangers that do T-M tunes as well, so lemme know if you ever need help with T-M arranges.
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Yeah, finally an outro! You guys really stepped up the synergy this time around. I was rather pleased. I also lol'd that all three of you happen to play pretty lame. Didn't realize it till the reaction to unknown matchups topic came up.
I don't really have any negative feedback this time. Instead, I was wondering if you guys could post up any specific questions to the audience or feedback requests in the announcement post for the new cast (either the front page post or in the forum podcast thread) because I remember that you guys asked like three things in specific, but I cant remember what they were after I was done listening.
Maybe for each new cast announcement you could like give a quick preview of who you'll be interviewing, what the main topics you'll cover, and what the questions towards the audience are or something along those lines?
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Also update the irc topic with the latest breadcast! Also, an embedded player streaming the cast on front page is in high demand! (not sure if you guys can already do that or not, since I'm posting before chibi has a chance to front page post the cast)
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This time, our pre-show discussion was an hour, instead of 5 hours. There was a preview, but I cut it from the final revision just in case something doesn't go as planned. Thanks for the input, we'll try and integrate it into later shows.
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Put some fucking BGM... your voices alone make me sleepy :3
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The reason people don't use H-Roa's Hiero isn't because it uses half your meter (that would be a good trade for H-Roa) but because it has a decent amount of non-invincible startup (between 6 and 10 frames IIRC), it's still useful for the knockdown and it can escape some setups, but it's nowhere near as good as seventh heaven.
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How I would buff my character in console (even though it looks like most of it happened in CC)
C-Roa:
air orbs only go away on knockdown like ground orbs
22A lightning charge recovers faster
5B: recover faster
6C: be a real goddamn anti-air.
H-Roa:
I'd give him a ground overhead of some sort, he really needs someway to mix up in his endless pressure beyond working in tickthrows now and then. And 6C-> IAD j.b/c doesn't count; it's literally the most obvious overhead in the game.
Nerf:
I would just nerf teleport-style EX's and arcs in general; it's really annoying to have people get out of meaty orb/SOKO DAROU setups and my post-airthrow cornertraps for free. Especially the arcuied teleport EX's and Hiero, they escape all my oki for free.
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Also: YESSSSSSSSSSSSS I AM THE QUESTION MASTEEEEERRR
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This time, our pre-show discussion was an hour, instead of 5 hours. There was a preview, but I cut it from the final revision just in case something doesn't go as planned. Thanks for the input, we'll try and integrate it into later shows.
Just to clarify, I'm not asking you to preview in the cast itself, but in the announcement post after the show is finished. That way you already know what you went over and what questions you guys had for the listeners, and can just give a quick run through after linking the show.
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00:05 < natto> ok
00:05 < natto> i guess you could talk about
00:05 < natto> how beginners should learn fighting games 101 since
00:05 < natto> we get a lot of players who have never played fighting games before...
00:06 < natto> <bellreisa> i think you have the same problem a lot of beginners have when there's too much information
00:06 < natto> <bellreisa> you focus too much on what a character can do instead of what *you* can do
00:06 < natto> <natto> i think it would be ok if it was like mbac and you could be netplaying everyday but since your playtime is limited you need to be much
more goal oriented imo
00:06 < natto> we have a lot of bad casuals that could be helped by guiding their approach
00:06 * natto shrugs
00:07 < natto> the problem is they just have a bad process
00:07 < natto> like they are just going about it the wrong way
00:07 < natto> they are skipping steps
00:08 < natto> like they need to understand the significance of a double jump
00:08 < natto> the significance of neutral jumping
00:08 < natto> etc
00:08 < natto> cause a lot of nwe players + youtube era
00:08 < natto> they just think its RPS
00:08 < natto> and they try to force rps situations
00:08 < natto> i get really bored playing against new players
00:08 < natto> cause its just rps all day with them
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If you're going to do specific strategy sessions, please dedicate an episode to specifically cover the neutral game. There's a lot of players, from mid tier down to casual level, who don't really understand the significance of all of the options available to you, and that there are many times in which you should not use them needlessly/thoughtlessly. Having a high tier player on (preferably someone who can explain things well, like someone who writes tutorials or character guides for example) to help go over this would be wonderful. Analyzing a video might also be helpful, for the visual reference, but it might make things difficult or overall just be unnecessary.
I bring this up because the neutral game is probably the most unique and hardest to grasp concept of anything in melty (in comparison to other fighters). I remember it took me a long time to realize that it wasn't just all "I'm gonna fly around in the air with all these movement options, poking when I get near someone". Even now, the neutral game is probably my personal biggest weakness.
It should probably cover things like:
-Movement options- when to use them and when to save them
-Poking and Spacing- mentality of when to poke (if at all), identifying the best normals to use in specific situations, what to do when facing against better normals
-Zoning vs Rushdown mentality
-Option selects in the neutral game
-How to best score counter hits to confirm combos
I dunno, some of that is probably redundant, but I'm just throwing shit out off the top of my head.
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Put some fucking BGM... your voices alone make me sleepy :3
I thought this too, but this is just because there are too many pauses, like some people mentioned earlier. You guys should try to be more active, or answer faster sometimes. The BGMs could still be very cool though.
Also in the last episode, the volume of one of your mic goes down twice, which is a bit annoying : make sure you don't speak too far away from it !
Apart from that, I love these ! Now I listen to them while taking the metro ;D
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I was wondering if you could get Juicebox Abel on breadcast for an interview,he's shown interest in MB, he's also on the MBAA list for NEC!
Also,I liked every breadcast(except the Mister T one).I know it's hard to find stuff to talk about,but what you did until now was very interesting.If there's such a big drought of ideas and/or subjects,I can suggest making it monthly/bi-monthly.
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Would you guys be interested in a general fighting games discussion show? Stuff like how to practice efficiently, how to get the most out of videos, general tourney FAQ. I think something like this would be best for a call-in live show.
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Would you guys be interested in a general fighting games discussion show? Stuff like how to practice efficiently, how to get the most out of videos, general tourney FAQ. I think something like this would be best for a call-in live show.
Sounds interesting.I'm all for it.
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Would you guys be interested in a general fighting games discussion show? Stuff like how to practice efficiently, how to get the most out of videos, general tourney FAQ. I think something like this would be best for a call-in live show.
I think that would go rather well if geared to the new comer.
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Maybe change them to monthly podcasts?
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Sorry, I've had some personal matters going on recently so the show's suffered on account of it.
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..Soo... what happened to this?
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I have been anticipating this, no lie. I probably should have said something about that too.
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..Soo... what happened to this?
That is a good question at this point....
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Sorry, things have been kinda personal at home but we're working on something soon.
:P
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Sorry, things have been kinda personal at home but we're working on something soon.
:P
I'm hyped about the next podcast.
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Sorry, things have been kinda personal at home but we're working on something soon.
:P
Honestly I would like to see a new breadcast sometime. A couple locals here who follow it alongside myself were asking me what happened, if it was dead, etc. I felt bad that I couldn't give them an answer.
We all miss you guys!
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Don't worry, were coming back with a great idea. Sit tight!
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Just got back to America and decided to catch myself up with these.
Gonna be like super harsh here, in the interests of the community.
I honestly value that we have some good solid members of not just the MB community, but fighting game community in general as our hosts. But...at the same time I think the thing I hate the most is too much airtime is wasted talking about comparing characters or moves in MB to characters or moves in old fighting games 85% of the community is unlikely to of played.
The sound effects used is a great edition and you should add more. They livened up the 14th breadcast and made the conversation more genki sounding.
When broadcasting please keep an awake voice. If you can't keep an awake voice do not do the show. It makes a HUGE difference!, keep your hype level up as if you're announcing a real tournament match or grand finals. Like WOW we got this guy here to talk about the game today, under these circumstances, at this point in the games life. Having little sound effects or clearly delivering your news topics at the start of each show would make a big difference.
Try to be very careful if you're going to gauge the relative strength of a character or it's moves. I found myself disagreeing with a handful of the comments and LK blowing you guys up about the strength of Nero in the game in relative to the screen size was completely necessary, but also embarrassing for the hosts. Let's avoid things like this. I think as fox is clearly the most talented player of the hosts, he should prepare more technical detail questions. Chibi should prepare community questions.
Edit. Edit. Edit! A lot of little mistakes could cut the show time down by a 1/4th and make the entire flow much better. I don't know if it's necessary to do it live at this point, since the stream is rarely referred to for the show (do you even do them live?)
I'm totally cool with the show being a community thing or an analysis thing, but if you're going to mix those two together, you need to really get a nice layout and not wing it the whole show (sorry, it feels like you are, if you aren't).
I think if the show doesn't clean itself up 3 or so iterations perhaps Donjon should be replaced as the official "Melty Blood Radio Show" endorsed by the website. I don't want to take anything away from anyone, and this has nothing to do with the qualifications of the hosts but rather the difference in viewers and sheer entertainment value/chemistry of the show. DonJon has also done well to get TO's and big names outside of the community in as well. I see no reason for there to be two broadcasts in the community.
Weekly shows aren't necessary, maybe a more bi-weekly thing.
I think the breadcast has a huge outlet to new players at the moment who are fiending for information about the community and the game. They need a strong, well-informed, informative voice. Weekly tournaments, news about the developers, and fluent interviews and introductions can make this show good, and if this show is good it can be a flagship of community building for MBAACC. This is what we want, right?
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Our mission (Brandon and I) for Donjon is to have a community based, community driven show that's pretty much done for doujin/not-mainstream games in general; not just Melty. That is why I would have to point people in the direction of Breadcast for things pertaining specifically to Melty. Even though me and Brandon are rooted in Melty and some topics would be for benefit of what's going on in the community in a present time (such as Final Round promotion), we are not the "pure" voice of the community in this sort of thing.
Breadcast has been doing a decent job with keeping up to date w/ content we do need at this time. Granted there are things to be fixed around for better shows and better output, I'm pretty sure turning hands to a whole different show wouldn't be the best of ideas. The mission of Donjon Network would not coincide 100% with what Breadcast is trying to accomplish.
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I'm just going to say that no one is replacing anybody regardless of what you're thinking.
The only thing I'm pulling from your genki tainted criticism is that the podcast will likely not be a weekly thing, bi-weekly might be a better idea.
Outside of that, thanks for the feedback, we'll take it into consideration.
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The sound effects used is a great edition and you should add more. They livened up the 14th breadcast and made the conversation more genki sounding.
(http://mkv25.net/anime/Desu/facepalm_desu.jpg)
desu
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Are you baka compressing the volume at all? It sounds really not sugoi sugoi when there's huge pops and crack that hurt my ears. It gives me a bad kimochi!
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It is most likely one of our crappy mics. Sorry about that. We might have a solution in the future.
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Are you baka compressing the volume at all? It sounds really not sugoi sugoi when there's huge pops and crack that hurt my ears. It gives me a bad kimochi!
Not gona lie. This cracks me up. I don't even know why, don't even know why nanodesu.
And yeah, try not to let the person you interview get so board he just hangs up on your asses. :laffo:
I like the casual conversations though, and the sharing of opinions. And more Zarbon applause for Zarbon.
Like no matter who your guest is, just troll them by playing back a clip of that part of that ep. when you introduce them.
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I'm just going to say that no one is replacing anybody regardless of what you're thinking.
The only thing I'm pulling from your genki tainted criticism is that the podcast will likely not be a weekly thing, bi-weekly might be a better idea.
Outside of that, thanks for the feedback, we'll take it into consideration.
It's impressive how every one of your sentences contradicts the one before it. If you want pertinent advice you should let people know what you're planning instead of saying you're not taking that advice and then considering it.
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That's nice, if you don't have feedback on the podcast then please don't clutter the thread, okay?
Thanks~
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Are you baka compressing the volume at all? It sounds really not sugoi sugoi when there's huge pops and crack that hurt my ears. It gives me a bad kimochi!
Not gona lie. This cracks me up. I don't even know why, don't even know why nanodesu.
And yeah, try not to let the person you interview get so board he just hangs up on your asses. :laffo:
I like the casual conversations though, and the sharing of opinions. And more Zarbon applause for Zarbon.
Like no matter who your guest is, just troll them by playing back a clip of that part of that ep. when you introduce them.
Haha, yeah, Chibi can be very boring sometimes and puts people to sleep... No seriously, Lord Knight was up with very to little sleep and had a job interview the next day, so it was poor planning on Chibi's side (we need to seriously come up with a better format for this!) Anyways, I do plan on revamping Breadcast a lot more, now that people are actually listening (I hope) and hope for some changes in the future...
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Things will change for the better, I'm already looking to change the format to mirror that.
LK falling asleep was him being awake for 2 days straight and me pulling him on the show last minute. Poor guy came back apologizing like crazy afterwards.
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I think the show is good, but I feel like the hype level should definitely be higher. While it's very interesting and informative, a lot of the time it sounds like an NPR show. Half the fun of podcasts is just hearing the commentators bro it up and say stupid/funny shit at really loud volumes; you guys do do that often but it would be cool if you kept that energy going for the entire show, as opposed to short bursts of humor in between long segments of quiet discussion.
TL;DR louder volume
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Okay, I'm getting back into Melty from the ReACT days, and I've spent the entire weekend listening to all the breadcasts from Ep #1 on.
I'm going to have disagree with basically all of the requests for more announcer hype. One of the things I like best about this podcast is that Chibi, Mizuki, Fox, et al. keep things mellow and laid back throughout the show. I never got the impression you guys don't give a shit. Artificially injecting hype isn't going to help a damn thing.
Bro'n it up is fine, but not everyone wants listen to podcasts full of immature guys yelling at each other and telling dick jokes. As someone who was born in the '80s, this is one of the few fighting game podcasts I can actually listen to without going nuts.
Keep it real guys. ;^)