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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2008, 11:56:15 PM »
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This shit done got way outta hand, but choco has a point about the money match thing.  You can go ballz to the wall in a ft5 it actually takes endurance and mental strength to win a ft10.  With 200 and 500 bux up, I wouldn't back down if I was choco either.  100 ft5 is borderline, I do agree with that, but anymore than that, a true skill showing should go.

Hey hellmonkey, anything over 100 in gg do u guys go ft10 or ft5, because I know in marvel they do ft3 for 100?
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2008, 12:11:43 AM »
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2008, 12:47:48 AM »
This thread was an entertaining read at least.  :V
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2008, 01:34:27 AM »
Well, no matter how good anyone thinks they are, we all would still get knocked out first round at SBO, so we all suck anyways. And yes, this includes myself, anyone who may have won national tournaments, or large FT10 matches.

Seriously, why don't you guys just focus on getting better as a community instead of fighting all the time? Then again, what do i know about being good, im just a scrub... :blah:
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2008, 01:47:27 AM »
Well, no matter how good anyone thinks they are, we all would still get knocked out first round at SBO, so we all suck anyways. And yes, this includes myself, anyone who may have won national tournaments, or large FT10 matches.

Seriously, why don't you guys just focus on getting better as a community instead of fighting all the time? Then again, what do i know about being good, im just a scrub... :blah:

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2008, 02:52:38 AM »
These FT3/5 vs. FT10 arguments remind me of arguments on Track team back in High School.  Which takes more skill: sprinting or distance running?  Answer: They BOTH take skill.

- FT3/5 shows a player's skill in adapting quickly.
- FT10 shows a player's skill in mental stamina.

Of course Tare (and magz) support FT5.  Sion has so many tricks up her sleeve - it will take more effort to get used to her mix-up as opposed to say... Shiki.  Tare intends to overwhelm Choco before he can adjust.

And of course Choco supports FT10.  Satsuki is statistically the worst character in the game.  Her only strong point is okizeme.  Choco intends to take his time on studying Tare's patterns so he can wear him out in the long run.

In addition to skill, both require confidence.  It takes confidence to not panic against a character with sick mixup and you're playing first to 5.  It also takes confidence to remain calm against an opponent experienced with endurance runs. 

Clearly, Tare and Choco have different strengths - and their "first to" preferences reflect that.  Instead of pointing fingers and saying who's a chicken and what takes more skill, why not compromise and go first to 7/8?

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2008, 04:31:08 AM »
Practically speaking, whoever wants the match more had better be prepared to accept the reluctant party's terms. The money match doesn't need to happen.

Politically speaking, I feel that choco may safely ignore Tare's challenges until Tare does well in a live tournament or two. In fact, it'd be best for him to do so- choco has more to lose at this point. More than Tare could possibly lose until Tare does well in a live tournament or two himself.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2008, 05:46:07 AM »
These FT3/5 vs. FT10 arguments remind me of arguments on Track team back in High School.  Which takes more skill: sprinting or distance running?  Answer: They BOTH take skill.

- FT3/5 shows a player's skill in adapting quickly.
- FT10 shows a player's skill in mental stamina.

Of course Tare (and magz) support FT5.  Sion has so many tricks up her sleeve - it will take more effort to get used to her mix-up as opposed to say... Shiki.  Tare intends to overwhelm Choco before he can adjust.

And of course Choco supports FT10.  Satsuki is statistically the worst character in the game.  Her only strong point is okizeme.  Choco intends to take his time on studying Tare's patterns so he can wear him out in the long run.

In addition to skill, both require confidence.  It takes confidence to not panic against a character with sick mixup and you're playing first to 5.  It also takes confidence to remain calm against an opponent experienced with endurance runs. 

Clearly, Tare and Choco have different strengths - and their "first to" preferences reflect that.  Instead of pointing fingers and saying who's a chicken and what takes more skill, why not compromise and go first to 7/8?
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2008, 06:07:19 AM »
Issuing money matches is a stupid way to generate artificial and unnecessary pressure and false motivation to try and get one to play better. The truth of the matter is simple: you will improve by studying the game, working on execution, gaining matchup experience, and constantly adapting your gameplan. The Melty scene is too young and early for this sort of bullshit. Marvel needs it because the game is old and done, it needs the drama to stay alive. How about we get a tournament where we can get at least half the people there up to HF/Arly/Sp00ky/Zar's level before we start trying to hype shit up with drama. You guys have no idea how poorly it reflects on the community when an outsider watches matchvids and sees maybe 20-30% of the BnBs being dropped; it makes both the game and its players look bad.
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2008, 06:15:05 AM »
Money matches, however, are a great way to quickly make/lose money.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2008, 12:24:17 PM »
Money matches, however, are a great way to quickly make/lose money.

Not if it's first to 10.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2008, 12:33:41 PM »
Awesome, I get to post this again:



This is actually for rounds/set, but it works for sets/match too.

Honestly, it matters most when the players are close in skill (but not absurdly close). The bigger the skill gap gets, the larger the initial jump is but the quicker the function reaches the natural limit (of 100%).

Politically speaking, I feel that choco may safely ignore Tare's challenges until Tare shows up to a live tournament or two.
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Issuing money matches is a stupid way to generate artificial and unnecessary pressure and false motivation to try and get one to play better. The truth of the matter is simple: you will improve by studying the game, working on execution, gaining matchup experience, and constantly adapting your gameplan.
That actually requires effort. Possibly talent, too.

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You guys have no idea how poorly it reflects on the community when an outsider watches matchvids and sees maybe 20-30% of the BnBs being dropped; it makes both the game and its players look bad.
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Then again, for the longest time (and even today, to a small extent) Japanese players drop combos in this game. We understand why, and it is our responsibility as players to fight around the problem as best as possible, but an outsider watching the game is not going to know that. Hopefully they fix that shit in MB:AA.

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Not if it's first to 10.
I actually tried to figure this out -- then I realized that I'm way too lazy to right now.

However, there is something similar that occurs in gambling where you actually would opt to take a smaller edge over a shorter cycle instead of a better edge over a longer cycle. Now this ultimately depends on bankrolls and actual edges gained/loss, but it ultimately comes down to winrate per hour (worked or not).

Short answer: Zaeler is actually right.  :psyduck:

This isn't really about logic, though -- Choco just wanted to pizownor Brandino.
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2008, 01:54:45 PM »
First to Ten was set by Marvel vs Capcom 2 standards. We still follow that standard in all other games, especially at Evo (i.e.: FT10 in 3rd Strike Amir vs Hsien).

Any money match of $100 or over should go FT10, in my opinion. Extended matches are designed to eliminate gimmicks as well as luck.

FT5 if there's a whole bunch of money matches in a row to take care of, otherwise.

However, I do think Choco was in an advantageous position in a FT5 anyhow. Tare doesn't have the tournament experience that Choco does regarding that matchup.

EDIT: Just read Zaelar's comment: He's actually right :psyduck:
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2008, 02:03:56 PM »
Well, no matter how good anyone thinks they are, we all would still get knocked out first round at SBO, so we all suck anyways. And yes, this includes myself, anyone who may have won national tournaments, or large FT10 matches.

Seriously, why don't you guys just focus on getting better as a community instead of fighting all the time? Then again, what do i know about being good, im just a scrub... :blah:

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Also, bellreisa wins this fucking thread.  And if Brandon had beaten Choco but then, say, lost to Jiyuna in the tourney, I'd be saying the same thing.

I side with the Cannons on this one: Money matches are an easy out for people who've convinced themselves that they can't win tournaments.  As I recall (someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong), that's basically how they got started in Marvel - Justin & Sanford were guaranteed top 2 at any tourney they went to, so people looked for another way to make themselves "famous" (lol).

Honestly, if fighting games truly want to become professionalized, I don't know if that shit can stay.  There's a reason you don't hear about big money matches in tennis or golf...

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2008, 02:14:31 PM »
EDIT: Just read Zaelar's comment: He's actually right :psyduck:
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2008, 03:09:01 PM »
Xaq....your got damn len.  Good shit though baby, I gotta find ways around that.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #91 on: March 19, 2008, 03:53:37 PM »
Well, no matter how good anyone thinks they are, we all would still get knocked out first round at SBO, so we all suck anyways. And yes, this includes myself, anyone who may have won national tournaments, or large FT10 matches.

Seriously, why don't you guys just focus on getting better as a community instead of fighting all the time? Then again, what do i know about being good, im just a scrub... :blah:

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Honestly, if fighting games truly want to become professionalized, I don't know if that shit can stay.  There's a reason you don't hear about big money matches in tennis or golf...

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Every Tennis and Golf tournament(Major and side tournies) have stupidly large pots where more than the top three bring home winnings. A $100 golf or tennis match is NOWHERE near big money in that circle. This is not a good comparison in any shape or form. People that play proffesional sports in this country make an insane amount of money and have sponsors and agents(to find them ways of making even more money) And also what is a $100 match when membership to a golf or a tennis club will cost you several times that amount. Once again, Video Games/Proffesional Sports=not a good comparison.
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2008, 04:23:20 PM »
I think FT10 is fine in Marvel or GG, but Melty is slow and boring and I'd probably kill myself before a FT10 finished.  True answer to FT3 vs FT5 vs FT10 = learn Guilty Gear.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2008, 04:35:32 PM »
FT10 in MB is like FT10 in CvS2: everyone loses, especially the spectators.
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2008, 04:36:55 PM »
Yeah I've been echoing Bell's sentiments for a while now (I didn't bother watching one match of the MM to begin with), but I can't stop certain people from doing whatever they want so that's how it is I guess.

But yeah, ft 10 in MB is really stupid, sorry. I gurantee after a certain point that people will go into auto pilot, and that's obviously not a good thing.
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2008, 05:02:56 PM »
Choco, why not let Tare have FT5, since your the one who challenged Tare. Be a sport like Brandon did. I say the last line because of the stipulation you imposed on Brandon if he wanted to have a MM against you. If you really care about being in the "big leagues", as you like to say, then wouldn't it be better to take less matches, as it will potentially require for you to be more solid with your character? Such matches like that give great practice that will certainly help you prepare for the inevitable SBO qualifier we will get. Never say never!

Seriously though, be a sport, sport. =)
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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2008, 08:28:15 PM »
I have nothing to do with this thread but I will post anyway because.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2008, 09:29:25 PM »
Xaq....your got damn len.  Good shit though baby, I gotta find ways around that.

i wasnt there and i dont like lolis T_T. :prinny:

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #98 on: March 19, 2008, 09:39:56 PM »
Tied for 17th....much better than I thought I did. Maybe next year i'll actually play the game prior to FR so I can get dat placement a little higher. Or atleast I won't drop combos out of nowhere as often as I did this year. Tournament ran really good too.

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Re: FINAL ROUND DRUNK RESULTS
« Reply #99 on: March 20, 2008, 12:17:08 AM »
Just thought I'd throw out that the sanford vs duc match was FT7, since we're copying mvc2 for no reason.  I'll also throw out that there are 3/5 mvc2 money matches.  Oh, what to do, copying mvc2 answered one question but asks the same one again.

Money matches are WHATEVER THE FUCK THE TWO PEOPLE PLAYING AGREE ON.  STFU and don't make people suffer through anything longer than first to 5 unless you have $1000 or more in non third world currency on the line to make it at least somewhat interesting for people you see more than once a year.  Unless it's a huge overhyped match between two top players from different regions, no one gives a fuck unless theres money involved, and not just a measly 20.