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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2010, 10:46:57 AM »
new oki:

Only tested this off throw so far, gonna test after j.421c ender next.

dash > tkj.236a (have last hit of j.236a hit, you will also crossup, the last hit of j.236a hits crossed up). Has similar properties to 22a/b oki and meaties while crossing up.

You can delay it a bit and it won't cross up either for trix.

edit: works off j.421c ender, timing for it is pretty strict though so dunno the practicality of it besides being awesome and cool. Also if it hits it adds damage to your bnb so that might also be another incentive.

edit2: Hmm actually it might be better to just delay it even more and have either two hits or three hits. Testing moar

edit3: works on small crouching hitboxes, and ries. Works on kouma

edit4: Last hit of j.236a hits crossed up this oki is too good.

edit5: bleh. Crouch hitbox rapes it. Even if you get hit can't combo off the last j.236a hit. Gimmick oki. If they block it, you have advantage though.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2010, 10:17:13 PM »
edit5: bleh. Crouch hitbox rapes it. Even if you get hit can't combo off the last j.236a hit. Gimmick oki. If they block it, you have advantage though.

Are you sure you have advantage if they block it?  I remember discovering this a long time ago but when I set CPU to recover A they would always hit me after the j236a.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2010, 06:50:22 AM »
I set it to crouch recover A and I could always hit them after, but I'm going to test it again right now just to make sure.

edit: oop aww, you're right. I might have thought it worked because I tried it out on standing hitboxes earlier. lolol

Anyways heres a mixup I stole from sp00ky's stream yesterday and applied it to wara. (midscreen onry for now)

2a2b5b(omit entirely or only do one hit)2c > 214c nero > 421b (should crossup) > 2E (crosses up again)

Mix it up without dodge and you get a two way.  

edit2: delaying dodge will not crossup so you can do that too
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2010, 11:56:28 AM »
What makes me sad is that C-wara's IAD is so terrible. Unless you time your IAD carefully, the IAD dips down too much and only 1 hit of j.b hits on crouching enemies which makes it impossible to hitconfirm off of.

H-moon retains MBAC's IAD so you can get the 2 hits from IAD j.b to land but H-moon wara is just terrible otherwise.

We should all switch to F-moon. He's got GUARD BREAK SETUPS...and pretty much nothing else.

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2010, 02:33:58 PM »
It seems more like spacing issues. Personally I don't find anything wrong with Cwara IAD.
1 hit of j.b can be hitconfirmed off of. Only place I might see an issue is if you hit it at the tip of his j.b making it out of reach of your 2a and too little hitlag to link into 5b or 2b.

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2010, 09:01:37 PM »
Uhhhh, C-Wara's IAD is fine. 1 hit is not only comboable off, you can easily force the 2 hits by being very slightly higher during your airdash.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2010, 06:20:49 AM »
Its possible to hitconfirm off of, but I still prefer Cwara's old MBAC dash for j.b 2hit/1hit mixups

Also even if you hit j.b at maximum range with one hit, as long as you're in range to hit them with 2b/5b you can still combo as well.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2010, 02:32:58 PM »
lolgimmicks:

Blockstring: IAD j.b (2hits) > 8 > j.b (2hits) j.214a (as close to the ground as possible, dash in 2a after or 2c from max range, this has mad plus frames too so even if they block you can continue pressure) or  (land) 214a

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2010, 01:10:51 PM »
anyone know why highspeed does jump 214c nero summon after arc drive instead of just normal?
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2010, 05:17:47 AM »
It's a theory, but maybe it's for better frame advantage. Haven't tested, and in fact don't know how, but there's a chance that doing j214c right before landing will cause the landing animation to cancel the recovery of the move and let's you do stuff after the Nero summon sooner compared to a ground 214c. Anyone know how to test this?
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2010, 10:15:03 AM »
I was thinking of selecting two waras, making one do hop nero summon and the other doing ground nero summon, timing it so both come out at the exact same time and holding up on both controllers (one who recovers first will jump). But I can't test it atm :(
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2010, 09:56:50 PM »
hi im part of the wara community

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2010, 11:24:19 PM »
I was thinking of selecting two waras, making one do hop nero summon and the other doing ground nero summon, timing it so both come out at the exact same time and holding up on both controllers (one who recovers first will jump). But I can't test it atm :(

I've tried this technique. What it's telling me is that the ground version of nero summon recovers earlier than the air version no matter how close to the ground you do it in the air. However, the air version comes out slower. Maybe Highspeed needs the extra late nero summon for his setup :mystery:
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2010, 09:16:55 AM »
Karp says that instead of doing dash > nero summon, doing hop nero summon kills the momentum (because when you do dash nero summon it brings you forward by a lot)

but other then that, I dunno really
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2010, 03:01:47 PM »
OTGs - All of these are done post j2c with damage on Vsion with no prior reverse beats and no reduction

Single OTG with tornado oki - 2a 5aaa 5b 2b 2c --> 22a(punish forward tech)/22[a](punish back/neutral tech) - 1976 damage, 60.5% meter gain for you, 13.5% meter gain for your opponent.  If they don't tech and you 22[a] you get massive +frames from last tornado hit(enough to dash pointblank and 2a to CH the other person_)

Double OTG post j2c - 2a 5aa 5b 236a dash 2a 5a 2a 5a 5b 2b - 2259 damage, 81% meter gain for you, 18% meter gain for your opponent

Someone find a way to get both of warc's rings to hit OTG without using a normal between the hits plz.
 
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2010, 09:47:24 AM »
Not sure if many people have noticed this but after laying down a nanaya summon after throw, I've seen jp waras whiff 5a over them:

5a > throw

5a AA > combo

5a > 5d if they reversal

Its pretty gay and awesome
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2010, 05:48:36 PM »
that's mbac level shit ehrik lol

it's like nanaya's corner 5a throw stuff
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2010, 07:30:23 PM »
of course everyone knows that :/

but I didn't think it would be fast enough to do 5a whiff > throw with nanaya out so i never tried
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2010, 03:29:30 PM »
H-wara BnBs

arc drive combo : 2ab5c (1 or 2 hits depending on how far away you are) 5a6aa 2c tk j.236a 2b 5b 6c Arc drive [5.1k (2 hits of 5c) 5k (1 hit of 5c)   on sion]

2ab5c (1 or 2 hits depending on how far away you are) 5a6aa 2c tk.236a dash 5a6aa 2a whiff j.ac j.c j.421c [4.6k (2 hits of 5c) 4.5k (1 hit of 5c)  on sion]

2ab5c (1 or 2 hits depending on how far away you are) 5a6aa 2c 5b 6c (SJ launcher) j.c > j.c > j.421c/air throw/j.236a (gives less meter but is easier and does 10 MORE DMG). [4.6k on sion 1 hit of 5c]

nero setup: 2a2b5c (1 or 2 hits depending on how far away you are) 5a6aa 2c tk.236a 2c > nero [3.8k (2 hits of 5c), 3.6k (1 hit of 5c) on sion]

will find more later tonight

Hwara is pretty useful for some matchups, and he also has MBAC j.b for some reason.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2010, 10:50:10 PM »
what do you mean "MBAC" Jb?

It's shit? lol
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2010, 08:06:00 PM »
what do you mean "MBAC" Jb?

It's shit? lol

No matter your IAD height it'll hit twice
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2011, 06:09:44 PM »
I've been wondering, why do C-Wara players use j236b so much in pressure? Is it plus on block?
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2011, 06:24:29 PM »
I've been wondering, why do C-Wara players use j236b so much in pressure? Is it plus on block?

+f on block, messes with ex shield timing if they do it instead of jb, and if they do jb j236b and they're spaced out a bit most shield counters will whiff if they try to shield counter the jb.
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