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Offline testament101

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MBAA Wara Discussion
« on: September 02, 2009, 12:16:16 PM »
Since there wasn't a thread like this here yet...I figure this would be good for all the players who have questions or what not.  I'm really can't answer much b/c I just started playing him in this game.

First question I have is this...Can Wara gtfo of the corner when he's getting hit by relentless block strings.  I just got finished fighting my friends H-Roa(with F-Wara) and once I got in the corner, I had to eat so many of his guard strings.  The only thing I can think of is C teleport when he jumps or something but that's it and I'm not even sure if Roa can't punish that. 

Also, does he have a decent air-to-air poke?  I figure j.B is good but that shit keeps getting beat like crazy...

inputs, thoughts, w/e else you may have is welcome.

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 12:34:43 PM »
236C has slight startup invincibility. 2B is Wara's anti-air of choice if they keep jumping in on you when you're in the corner. (although this for C-Wara since I haven't had a chance to try the others yet).

jB and jC both work as pokes, obviously jC for when they're under you, just be careful with spacing since as you have experienced they're not especially high priority attacks.

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 01:59:59 PM »
First question I have is this...Can Wara gtfo of the corner when he's getting hit by relentless block strings.  I just got finished fighting my friends H-Roa(with F-Wara) and once I got in the corner, I had to eat so many of his guard strings.  The only thing I can think of is C teleport when he jumps or something but that's it and I'm not even sure if Roa can't punish that.

You can do held shield into shield counter in Full moon between staggers.  You take more damage than your opponent does if you guess wrong but it's still ok to go for sometimes.  Warachia had the best heat activation in MBAC and it's still very good in MBAA, though I'm not sure if it's still the best.  If he does non ex lightning at the end of pressure you can get out after that.  If you know he's going to do 236B(the safe SOKO DAROU) you can jump in the startup of the move.  5b probably beats H-Roa 6c/BE6C into IAD w/e.   

2B is Wara's anti-air of choice if they keep jumping in on you when you're in the corner. (although this for C-Wara since I haven't had a chance to try the others yet).

:( F-Wara 2b doesn't work as an anti-air. 
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 02:13:41 PM »
C-Wara has made me think about changing my main from C-Maids, His options lend himself nicely to my seemingly  random approach to battle. Anyone comfortable in using a charged 2c orb for anything? I've used it a bit on oki with a nero summon to moderate effect. Having it as a ghetto staggered attack is nice to have when someone decides to shield nero or run forward.  Also I've been  trying  to run a variant of the nero/warc lock down with the tk warc summon hidden in nero's shadow or visa versa.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 05:00:22 AM »
C-Wara has made me think about changing my main from C-Maids, His options lend himself nicely to my seemingly  random approach to battle. Anyone comfortable in using a charged 2c orb for anything? I've used it a bit on oki with a nero summon to moderate effect. Having it as a ghetto staggered attack is nice to have when someone decides to shield nero or run forward.  Also I've been  trying  to run a variant of the nero/warc lock down with the tk warc summon hidden in nero's shadow or visa versa.

2[c] sucks. Best thing about it is that it lets you stagger your 2c very easily and the charge startup is similar to 6[c] for okizeme mixup.

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First question I have is this...Can Wara gtfo of the corner when he's getting hit by relentless block strings.  I just got finished fighting my friends H-Roa(with F-Wara) and once I got in the corner, I had to eat so many of his guard strings.  The only thing I can think of is C teleport when he jumps or something but that's it and I'm not even sure if Roa can't punish that.

Also, does he have a decent air-to-air poke?  I figure j.B is good but that shit keeps getting beat like crazy...
as f-wara, you are mostly boned, try 623b though. Fwara's 623 series are actually pretty good, but he has no good ex reversal like c/h do. If you feel realllly confident you could try tk j421, since that is fully invincible past the startup, but is risky as fuck. really funny if it lands though.

As for air to air, it's pretty much jb and ja depending on the range. jb is a good move, you just have to space it properly, it's not mindless like shiki ja ala mbac.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 11:12:34 PM »
lately I've found that I feel like I'm playing SF with F-Wara.  I just fought my friends who are using H-Roa and F-Riesbief and found that 5C is fucking amazing in both of those fights...you basically have to zone like all fuck.  I just hate him not having a decent AA other that 5B which is distance dependent and 6C which you have to judge when they'll be falling on you for it to hit b/c if you let it go too early, you're fucked.

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009, 08:43:13 PM »
yes blocking is all well and good but by blocking, you put yourself in the position to get locked down in the corner...I'm not saying try an anti-air all the time b/c it is a lot better to just block more often than not.  However if you need to do something, what do you do?

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 03:20:47 PM »
yes blocking is all well and good but by blocking, you put yourself in the position to get locked down in the corner...I'm not saying try an anti-air all the time b/c it is a lot better to just block more often than not.  However if you need to do something, what do you do?

This is basically the reason why I wrote F-wara off as garbage back when arcade was released, have fun getting out of the corner with him :toot:
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 07:02:42 PM »
F-Wara is not a good character if you aren't good.  623B can work as a reversal if you have a good read (never reversal without a good read) and time to start up.

Other than that?  Block.  Reversal is a really bad thing to rely on.  Pressure is designed to bait this stuff.

F-Wara is a solid character though, I think.  I'm having trouble controlling him for now, but I think if I get the feel for that, I might play him seriously.  2B is so unbelievably solid.  You can make anybody respect anything off of that.  It's just not safe for the opponent to do anything off of this move.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 10:40:27 AM »
I'm having trouble controlling him for now, but I think if I get the feel for that, I might play him seriously.

:( It's hard to get used to new dash in neutral.  I think I'm going to use C-Nero to get into habit of not dashing as much.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 04:45:53 PM »
Eh, I just really can't be arsed putting any work into FWara. I'm so content with how solid C is now.

I like MBAA variety but I'm a hypocrite because I'm still just playing most of my old chars with the exception of F-Nanaya who is the only really changed up one out of the chars I play.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 07:52:49 PM »
Alright, I was trying out F-Wara for heck. For some reason I can't do this EX combo that I always see on vids:

2a2b2c6c 623c 2bBE2c6c jc jc 421c

I just can't connect the BE2c after the 2b after the 623c. Is there a trick to it?
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 08:07:29 PM »
2B must hit as low as goddamned possible, one hit, and you MUST hit 2[C] IMMEDIATELY.

It is by no means an easy combo.  Practice.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 08:26:15 PM »
I have a question in F-warc's Fog skill thingy, what the hell does it do???  :mystery:

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 10:04:33 PM »
Does damage to the opponent standing in it and also gives both players meter gain while someone's inside.

Yes, both players.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2009, 11:06:58 PM »
Weird, it gives profit to opponent!  :o

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2009, 05:59:39 AM »
i guess it's worth noting it makes mixups harder to see through as well, especially considering fwara dash ja is the fastest overhead in the game.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2009, 12:55:05 PM »
Weird, it gives profit to opponent!  :o

On plus side you get more meter.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2009, 03:10:27 PM »
plus side?

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2009, 04:16:29 PM »
As in, even though both you and your opponent get some benefits, your benefits are better. ie More meter...

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2009, 06:00:50 PM »
Oh I get it, well I'd still tr out F-wallachia for now and beat my friends!

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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2009, 02:20:32 AM »
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2010, 05:44:29 PM »
New optimal arc drive corner combo:

close or near or in corner > 2ab5b2c6c >7 or 9> j236c (do not tk the ex) > dash 6c > arc drive

Does from 200 to 250 more damage up to you to see if its worth it or not. Found this combo by accident, currently experimenting more with it. If you're wondering if you can continue after second 6c, for some reason the autosj doesnt come out (might be the limited jump cancels rule). Also if you wanted to try cancelling the second 6c with whiff 2a to get into a air combo dont bother trying opponent will be too high. Also you start off closer to the dead body so keep that in mind

edit: massive typos using touchscreen keyboard, they suck ass

edit2: just noticed my typo on damage. its 200-250.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2010, 09:36:31 PM »
ehrik, since you haven't shown up on irc lately, i'd like to clarify that the 22a meaty mixup is still valid even in original.

I tested it.
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Re: MBAA Wara Discussion
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2010, 03:43:13 PM »
Thanks Irysa, now I just need to remember to use it as oki

also random throw setup:

throw > 214b > 421b > nanaya hits crossed up, you can mix it up with 421a to confuse people. Also doesn't work on some characters like Ryougi where their hitbox changes for some reason when they turn around (nanaya whiffs completely after the 421b crossup).
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