MBAA White Ren

[dakanya]

wow no MBAA thread for one of the cutest characters in the game what's wrong with you guys.

you're all a bunch of shikis 

JP MBAA Wiki: http://www1.atwiki.jp/shiro-neko/

[mizuki]

Who the fuck cares about White Len?

Crecent White Len:

Basically same as MBAC White Len, same bnb.

5b extends farther
Gains new move, throws ice at a high arc and turns into a spike.
Moves faster
Can throw a 2[c] projectile
Looks as if she takes more damage.

Half White Len:
New crouching pose.
Aerial flip, kind of like Ingrid's (CFJ) 623 kick.
Has Len's 2c?
Teleport
Has twirls
no special normals in air?
Still retains command throw.

Full White Len:
Air fireball and ground fireball.
Has an ice trap she drops and stays for a while.
EX Ice trap? Huge are of effect, can combo off of.
Has Len's 623a/b/c twirl, can combo off of in corner.

My observations from videos.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

Full has a new 2a that hits low!
I think Half has a normal dash but I could be wrong about that.

[Pfhor]

Her 2a always hit low

[mizuki]

Her 2a has always hit low like 4 said, and I think all the modes of White Len has the same illusionary dash.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

Lol, I'm retarded.

EDIT: Ok I'm not as dumb as I though, I was thinking of Ren's 2a which hits mid.

Also regarding half moon dash in this vid: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4601987 at 0:55 among one or two other times it looks like she dashes very briefly and doesnt get the typical illusion dash.

[BurstOfAnger]

If I'm right, WLen's dash is different in the sense that even after the illusions, she will keep running unlike in MBAC where afterwards she will just walk normally.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

In MBAC you could do it either way, if you pressed 66 it was just teleport and 6[6](as in hold the button) you would run out of it. It's probably the same way in AA.

[mizuki]

I fixed your post with the URL so you can click on it and go to the site.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

Lol thanks

[Psylocke]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4918433
Probably the first video with a really good C-WRen in it, she comes in at 7:30.  Seems like her 5c is sped up, 5b has more range, 2b is more seamless(in the sense that, there's either a smaller gap between the 2 hits or the pushback got decreased on the 1st hit).  EX version of that new ground projectile she has seems to cause knockdown.  She can also control the direction of her ground throw, so when throwing in the corner it's probably better to do that and combo off regular throw instead of going for command throw.  Also...  2b into 623a works perfectly on the entire cast now.  In that video, it connects on Warc and there's also another Joybox video somewhere where it shows that it works on Len.  More than likely, it'll work on WRen too so it's good that this restriction is taken off.

[okuhoshi]

he's Bobu

[Ultima66]

Also she has what I think is a j.2C that is like j.[C] but throws the orb down at an angle.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

Is it just me or does j.[C] seem to be faster/have less recovery on it?

I'm really liking F-W.Ren.

[NoNo]

Seems like crescent moon can now ground throw in any direction, but with 50% prorate. less damage, more 236C combos.
New move (421?), ice bolt, seems like ex version downs with oki.

236 seems faster. It seems like you can use the second part of 2CC without having to use 2C, by charging, which would mean it could be somehow usefull now. 2B 623A WORKS ON WARC WOOT.

EDIT : Ishould have read more, everything was wrote here before.

[Psylocke]

Wow, F WRen is so cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHTsSZ287g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28Bk9rlsb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6KuBbcbGR0
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4987428

She seems much stronger than her MBAC counterpart.  Her 2b is more seamless, and the 1st hit actually knocks down by itself if the 2nd hit is canceled, which is really useful since it increases her effective range.  5b becomes a much better poke since it combos into her new fireball, and the new fireball can then be EX cancelled into the EX version of the fireball into another combo, which also increases her effective range by a lot.  Her new air fireballs give good +f on block if done low to the ground, and after a throw into the corner, combo into knockdown into either ice pillar/freezing floor followed by j.[c] and her air fireballs look awesome for controlling space.  EX fireball is like a faster version of Ky CSE that can be comboed into.

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

That stolen from normal len flippything crossup feint is so awesome!!!!
Does f-W.len have j2c?

[okuhoshi]

That stolen from normal len flippything crossup feint is so awesome!!!!
Does f-W.len have j2c?

yes also bej2c

[NoNo]

F Wren got terrible damage though...

[Ultima66]

Eh, Full Moon Wlen looked cool at first, but I played her, here's my opinions:

<Ultima66> and whoever wanted to play full moon wlen, she's worse than she looks
<Ultima66> no more 623 mixups, no more EX ice loops, no more tj
<Ultima66> tk*
<Ultima66> other than that she has the same set of normals as crescent except her 2B only hits once and does less damage
<Ultima66> her new 236 really isn't good
<Ultima66> you see the EX version gives tons of +frames
<Ultima66> but her 236A/B aren't good
<Ultima66> they're just very mediocre zoning tools
<Ultima66> and her 214 is nice but it really doesn't make up for all she loses
<Ultima66> she has len's 623 which isn't bad but isn't a good tradeoff for her old 623 mixups cause that comprised of most of her combo damage and some mixups

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

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Does F have command throw or shoryu?

[Ultima66]

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Does F have command throw or shoryu?

I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).

[ಠ_ಠ Dizzynecro]

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Does F have command throw or shoryu?

I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).

I meant 214 Incinvible attack by shoryu. I love command throw.

[Ultima66]

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Does F have command throw or shoryu?

I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).

I meant 214 Incinvible attack by shoryu. I love command throw.

No she doesn't have it. She only has Ice Plants now. She can do j.214B, but that's not... good.

[LordPangTong]

This only re-assures my decision to play Cresent W Len...