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Atlas Academy => Melty Blood: Actress Again => White Len => : dakanya October 06, 2008, 05:41:20 PM
When's Melty on Steam?
ahaha that's no--wait, what?
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wow no MBAA thread for one of the cutest characters in the game what's wrong with you guys. :prinny:
you're all a bunch of shikis :slowpoke:
JP MBAA Wiki: http://www1.atwiki.jp/shiro-neko/
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Who the fuck cares about White Len?
Crecent White Len:
Basically same as MBAC White Len, same bnb.
5b extends farther
Gains new move, throws ice at a high arc and turns into a spike.
Moves faster
Can throw a 2[c] projectile
Looks as if she takes more damage.
Half White Len:
New crouching pose.
Aerial flip, kind of like Ingrid's (CFJ) 623 kick.
Has Len's 2c?
Teleport
Has twirls
no special normals in air?
Still retains command throw.
Full White Len:
Air fireball and ground fireball.
Has an ice trap she drops and stays for a while.
EX Ice trap? Huge are of effect, can combo off of.
Has Len's 623a/b/c twirl, can combo off of in corner.
My observations from videos.
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Full has a new 2a that hits low!
I think Half has a normal dash but I could be wrong about that.
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Her 2a always hit low
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Her 2a has always hit low like 4 said, and I think all the modes of White Len has the same illusionary dash.
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Lol, I'm retarded.
EDIT: Ok I'm not as dumb as I though, I was thinking of Ren's 2a which hits mid.
Also regarding half moon dash in this vid: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4601987 at 0:55 among one or two other times it looks like she dashes very briefly and doesnt get the typical illusion dash.
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If I'm right, WLen's dash is different in the sense that even after the illusions, she will keep running unlike in MBAC where afterwards she will just walk normally.
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In MBAC you could do it either way, if you pressed 66 it was just teleport and 6[6](as in hold the button) you would run out of it. It's probably the same way in AA.
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I fixed your post with the URL so you can click on it and go to the site.
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Lol thanks
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4918433
Probably the first video with a really good C-WRen in it, she comes in at 7:30. Seems like her 5c is sped up, 5b has more range, 2b is more seamless(in the sense that, there's either a smaller gap between the 2 hits or the pushback got decreased on the 1st hit). EX version of that new ground projectile she has seems to cause knockdown. She can also control the direction of her ground throw, so when throwing in the corner it's probably better to do that and combo off regular throw instead of going for command throw. Also... 2b into 623a works perfectly on the entire cast now. In that video, it connects on Warc and there's also another Joybox video somewhere where it shows that it works on Len. More than likely, it'll work on WRen too so it's good that this restriction is taken off.
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he's Bobu :prinny:
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Also she has what I think is a j.2C that is like j.[C] but throws the orb down at an angle.
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Is it just me or does j.[C] seem to be faster/have less recovery on it?
I'm really liking F-W.Ren.
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Seems like crescent moon can now ground throw in any direction, but with 50% prorate. less damage, more 236C combos.
New move (421?), ice bolt, seems like ex version downs with oki.
236 seems faster. It seems like you can use the second part of 2CC without having to use 2C, by charging, which would mean it could be somehow usefull now. 2B 623A WORKS ON WARC WOOT.
EDIT : Ishould have read more, everything was wrote here before.
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Wow, F WRen is so cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHTsSZ287g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28Bk9rlsb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6KuBbcbGR0
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4987428
She seems much stronger than her MBAC counterpart. Her 2b is more seamless, and the 1st hit actually knocks down by itself if the 2nd hit is canceled, which is really useful since it increases her effective range. 5b becomes a much better poke since it combos into her new fireball, and the new fireball can then be EX cancelled into the EX version of the fireball into another combo, which also increases her effective range by a lot. Her new air fireballs give good +f on block if done low to the ground, and after a throw into the corner, combo into knockdown into either ice pillar/freezing floor followed by j.[c] and her air fireballs look awesome for controlling space. EX fireball is like a faster version of Ky CSE that can be comboed into.
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That stolen from normal len flippything crossup feint is so awesome!!!!
Does f-W.len have j2c?
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That stolen from normal len flippything crossup feint is so awesome!!!!
Does f-W.len have j2c?
yes also bej2c
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F Wren got terrible damage though...
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Eh, Full Moon Wlen looked cool at first, but I played her, here's my opinions:
<Ultima66> and whoever wanted to play full moon wlen, she's worse than she looks
<Ultima66> no more 623 mixups, no more EX ice loops, no more tj
<Ultima66> tk*
<Ultima66> other than that she has the same set of normals as crescent except her 2B only hits once and does less damage
<Ultima66> her new 236 really isn't good
<Ultima66> you see the EX version gives tons of +frames
<Ultima66> but her 236A/B aren't good
<Ultima66> they're just very mediocre zoning tools
<Ultima66> and her 214 is nice but it really doesn't make up for all she loses
<Ultima66> she has len's 623 which isn't bad but isn't a good tradeoff for her old 623 mixups cause that comprised of most of her combo damage and some mixups
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Does F have command throw or shoryu?
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Does F have command throw or shoryu?
I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).
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Does F have command throw or shoryu?
I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).
I meant 214 Incinvible attack by shoryu. I love command throw.
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Does F have command throw or shoryu?
I think she still has command throw, but didn't test. She doesn't have her old spinny high/low shoryu. She has Len's rondo now, except a little different (like 623C's last swing can be charged or something).
I meant 214 Incinvible attack by shoryu. I love command throw.
No she doesn't have it. She only has Ice Plants now. She can do j.214B, but that's not... good.
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This only re-assures my decision to play Cresent W Len... :emo:
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Eh, Full Moon Wlen looked cool at first, but I played her, here's my opinions:
<Ultima66> and whoever wanted to play full moon wlen, she's worse than she looks
<Ultima66> no more 623 mixups, no more EX ice loops, no more tj
<Ultima66> tk*
<Ultima66> other than that she has the same set of normals as crescent except her 2B only hits once and does less damage
<Ultima66> her new 236 really isn't good
<Ultima66> you see the EX version gives tons of +frames
<Ultima66> but her 236A/B aren't good
<Ultima66> they're just very mediocre zoning tools
<Ultima66> and her 214 is nice but it really doesn't make up for all she loses
<Ultima66> she has len's 623 which isn't bad but isn't a good tradeoff for her old 623 mixups cause that comprised of most of her combo damage and some mixups
in b4 Japan comes up with a bunch of innovations with F-WLen and beasts with her. Then I'll come back to this post.
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F-WRen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lo3bQbzeCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUT5sW5-wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idHq2vlae2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyhGdlzHlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vnduQZavI
C-WRen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibBFAqeI2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ti2PX6GIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slP3EAyzXTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2VyaYFYsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_5K0KtCCs
Crescent White Ren has a lot of new combos, seems like the juggle properties or startup speed of her 2c and 2b have been changed to make these possible. Also, 5[c] is most likely faster now since she can combo into it off of a sweep.
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Wow new ice projectile thing gives her oki off of normal knockdowns! She looks so much better. :D Her airdodge is awesome too! Its like a little jump.
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F-WRen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lo3bQbzeCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUT5sW5-wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idHq2vlae2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyhGdlzHlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vnduQZavI
C-WRen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibBFAqeI2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ti2PX6GIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slP3EAyzXTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2VyaYFYsc
Crescent White Ren has a lot of new combos, seems like the juggle properties or startup speed of her 2c and 2b have been changed to make these possible. Also, 5[c] is most likely faster now since she can combo into it off of a sweep.
Ok Full Moon doesn't look like a gimped crescent Wlen any more, but it DOES look kinda like a weaker Warc...
Her 236 can be used like Blood Rings and her 236C can be used like Geass Ring. She has 214 for zoning but it was only getting a lot of counterhits because people aren't used to it, like the first few times people play against Aoko where they'll get CH by orbs a lot. 214C looks about the same for wakeups as her old 214, except now it needs meter. 623 looks really close to just Len 623 in terms of use. She's slower than Warc/Aoko and also doesn't have as much range though, so...
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also doesn't have as much range
???
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also doesn't have as much range
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Air range. Her 2B goes far and her 5B goes about as far as Warc 5C, but in the air she has nothing that's not a projectile that extends as far as Warc j.B.
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also doesn't have as much range
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Air range. Her 2B goes far and her 5B goes about as far as Warc 5C, but in the air she has nothing that's not a projectile that extends as far as Warc j.B.
Oh ok yeah thats true.
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It's the fastest projectile in the game.
F. W-Len is awesome. I'm all for it.
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Yeah F and C both look awesome now, I'm gonna have to play both so I can switch for the counter counter pick. Half looks terrible.
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More C-WRen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqMXHbpyA60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUU5VRMMj8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOn1OwmcC68
A different C-WRen than the ones linked earlier. Has a very different playstyle, and uses some really cool mixups. At the end, he switches to Full for a pretty lol match
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs 8:12
C-WLen can do a VSion j2b-like move? And I see those rings you normally get when you do an airdash. What could this mean...?
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs 8:12
C-WLen can do a VSion j2b-like move? And I see those rings you normally get when you do an airdash. What could this mean...?
That's her j.214A. It's in MBAC but no one uses it and it sucks. It's probably good in MBAA.
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs 8:12
C-WLen can do a VSion j2b-like move? And I see those rings you normally get when you do an airdash. What could this mean...?
F has it also.
W.Len seems to win by time out a lot.
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs 8:12
C-WLen can do a VSion j2b-like move? And I see those rings you normally get when you do an airdash. What could this mean...?
i thought it' j214a ... :psyduck:
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http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0iIVYT6Zs 8:12
C-WLen can do a VSion j2b-like move? And I see those rings you normally get when you do an airdash. What could this mean...?
i thought it' j214a ... :psyduck:
It is...
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Who is Ultima66?
WHO IS YOU?!
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Hey, anyone have any vids of H-W Len? I haven't seen her in action yet.
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She sucks so nobody is picking her.
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Based on the Ver.A videos released, F-W Len seems to be able to hold her ice plants out, like Aoko could do with 421 orbs in MBAC. Seems very useful, too, especially for charging dat meter. But despite that, F-W Len's damage is undeniably horrible. I don't think she broke 3K damage in the several matches she was in. C-W Len, on the other hand, looks incredible. =)
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full white len looks way more reliable though. full white len pretty much addresses all the problems she has (except for her air normals being crap). and besides 1 hit knock down 2b is the only thing I want.
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Matt shut up and do more DPs.
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Uhh... shoot. Lost the vid link, but H-W Len sighting. She didn't look bad at all. Her dash is quiiiiick. Its like MBAC W Len's dash, but without the slow startup.
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full white len looks way more reliable though. full white len pretty much addresses all the problems she has (except for her air normals being crap). and besides 1 hit knock down 2b is the only thing I want.
She's hella more reliable than the other WLens, and is just more solid in general.
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Doesn't Full's BnB do like 2k?
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Doesn't Full's BnB do like 2k?
IIRC, it was 3k average. She does her damage more off mixups and being an annoying SOB.
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6277302
F-W Len does a very interesting bnb in the first few seconds of this vid. Seems you can TK j.236c after a 2b for some decent damage. Combo does around 4K damage.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkgLgbEAno4&feature=related
SAT playing H wlen.
Seems like H wlen is much better than i thought. she's like mbAC wlen on steroids.
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Take a really weird character, take away the weirdness, give her nice stuff in place of it, and you have H-W.Len.
She's pretty nice looking. I don't know why anybody said she looked bad at any point. Her crouch is too moe for her to suck.
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After observing H-W Len, I don't really like her anymore. :-\ Her moveset is basically that of MBAC W Len's, but with a few small tweaks. (Most of which, are nerfs) Differences I noticed are:
Pros:
-Quicker ground dash
-nice range on new 2C
-addition of 6aa
-new crouch :fap:
Cons:
-214 a/b/c NERF. Ikimasuwa is gone D=
-completely changed 2a/2b/2c. Loss of old 2c (and 2[c] in particular) kills her ice loop damage. Her 2b is also not as good as the old one.
-j.[c] and j.2[c] seem to be gone... so her zoning is too.
-No more dash cancel mixups
I'd say its pretty safe to assume C-W Len and F-W Len are better grooves by a margin.
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Fullmoon White Ren stuff
In general, she's a pretty different character from MBAC WRen. Her air normals are unchanged, so she still has the worst air normals in the game, but her ground normals are a bit better and her new fireballs are ridiculous. Her damage is pretty low(even with the use of meter), but she is amazing at controlling space and baiting the opponent into doing something dumb. If she freezes the ground and has an ice pillar out, she can keep out the opponent for a long time with fireballs and thus get a lot of opportunities to charge meter. Her 2b being 1 hit, and 5b being comboable into fireball solves her old ground range problem. Also, she has the same illusion dash but she can't dash cancel normals anymore...
NORMALS
5a: Same
2a: Tsundere kick, hits low(I hope)
5b: Slightly better range than old MBAC 5b, other than that it's unchanged
5[ b ]: Same
2b: A million times better than the MBAC 2b. It's pretty much the same attack except that it hits once now instead of twice, which is amazing.
5c: Same, I think
5[ c ]: Same properties as the old 5c, but it comes out faster I think
2c and 2cc: Same, it feels like 2c travels a bit farther though, but I don't know for sure
4b: Same
All air normals: Same
SPECIALS
236a/b/c: The best fireballs ever. A version comes out fast but is minus on block, B version is a bit slower but is better on block(maybe advantage?), C version is the EX and is AMAZING, +million on block and hit. 236c gives ample time to run up and combo off of if it hits
214a/b/c: Really odd set of specials. 214a creates the ice pillar, stays out for a long time, good for controlling space. 214b makes her freeze the ground, also good for controlling space. 214c is the ice web EX, this is basically her reversal or her get-off-me move. Really good EX, once it comes out nothing is gonna stop it. Don't do it if you think the opponent is gonna dash 2a you though, since they can recover and block fast enough if they weren't mashing
623a/b/c: Kind of like Ren's 623 series but very different properties. 623a does the spinny and can be comboed into, 623b seems a bit slower but can't be comboed into(not too sure), 623c is the EX version and can also be comboed into. 623[ a ] makes her delay the last hit, turning it into an overhead that launches.
22a/b/c: Illusions. 22a is the same as the mbac 22a. 22b makes her do an illusion 623 spin, but she reappears in her original location. 22c is another illusion 623 spin, but she reappears where she would have landed.
j.236a/b/c: Air fireballs, these are also amazing like the ground versions. j.236a makes her shoot out the fireball at a 45 degree angle downwards, it comes out very fast and she can't do anything until she lands. j.236b makes her shoot the fireball at the same angle, but the startup is longer and she pauses in the air a bit before firing. Also, she gets to move in the air again afterwards, so it's kind of like how Warc bloodrings work. j.236c is the EX fireball that goes at the same angle, this is amazing just like the ground version and is +million on block and hit. Has good utility in combos
j.214a/b/c: Same as MBAC
COMBOS
2a2b2cc j.bc dj.bc AT
Boring basic combo to use if she doesn't have meter
2a2b4b j.bc dj.bc AT
Another boring combo to use if no meter is available
Corner throw 2ab wait 2abc xx 214a
This only works if she throws the opponent into corner, luckily she can control the direction of that now. Gets a knockdown and sets up an ice pillar for pressure
5b xx 236a xx 236c
5b was always a good WRen poke, but it couldn't be comboed into anything significant in MBAC. But not anymore, if she has meter. After the 236c, she has plenty of time to dash up and do a followup combo.
2a2b2c tk j.236c land j.abc dj.bc AT
A good combo to use when meter is available
I think she also has corner combos involving the 623 wallslams, but I didn't get to play around with those
After an airthrow in aircombos, a good followup is to do airdash landing j.236a. If timed and spaced right this makes her set up a meaty air fireball, which is +frames on block for her and is also reversal safe.
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I thought F-WLen's 236 set is that ice spear thing? I don't remember seeing any fireballs from her....
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It's just fighting game terminology, 236 is a fireball aka a projectile. It looks like an ice spear yes
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Oh, I see. Melty is my first ever fighting game so I wouldn't really know most of the fighting game terminologies (Had to PM someone to know what DP meant).
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Interesting info, thanks Psylocke.
Not about F-W Len's 2c, it moves her forward like her old MBAC 2[c] does.
A few questions I have are...
Does she still have 2[c]?
Did she learn j.2[c] like C-W Len did?
Does she have command throw?
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that, 2[c] is still in. It didn't feel like it was any different though
No j.2[c], and I'm not sure about command throw, but the input 63214 didn't give anything, so I don't think she has it
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I played F-White Len all day Saturday, she's so much fun.
Stupid question, what do you follow up with after j.214C?
:3
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I played F-White Len all day Saturday, she's so much fun.
Stupid question, what do you follow up with after j.214C?
:3
In MBAC, it's j.bbc throw.
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Watched some recently C-Wlen videos, she's looking pretty good, she got more tools to make her a solid character.
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There's some H-W.Ren at the start of the new MBAA Joybox videos.
Okay, fine, her range is nice, but she can't connect a good bnb from half of her range, and 5B 236A isn't much damage. She hits pretty hard though when she gets a bnb off, definitely harder than C or F-W.Ren, especially for the fact it comes meter free.
But either the H-W.Ren sucks or it's just really hard for her to get a combo off.
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Watched some recently C-Wlen videos, she's looking pretty good, she got more tools to make her a solid character.
Yeah the little things they added seem to add up to a nice solid character.
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Bobu on joybox, mostly Fullmoon but he also uses Crescent occasionally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vgraaijec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_ynNF2Kxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBluzKbvohs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBU7xUb8UnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjoeZPKDkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtKpEMSeZ1U
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Bobu on joybox, mostly Fullmoon but he also uses Crescent occasionally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vgraaijec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_ynNF2Kxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBluzKbvohs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBU7xUb8UnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjoeZPKDkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtKpEMSeZ1U
Full looks pretty freaking awesome. Can't wait for august.
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Does the twirly thing in full have and invincibility? Or is it just a Slayer-esque hitbox? I see it seem to go through a lot of stuff.
Also does F retain the taunt 22D? Because it might be useful to hide inside icetraps.
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Does the twirly thing in full have and invincibility? Or is it just a Slayer-esque hitbox? I see it seem to go through a lot of stuff.
Also does F retain the taunt 22D? Because it might be useful to hide inside icetraps.
623C has superarmor.
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/4576264
White Len combo movie, all moon styles
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/4576264
White Len combo movie, all moon styles
That link brings me to a list of videos and as far as I can tell, they're all MBAC, not MBAA.
Edit: Okay, it's the bottom most video. At least I found this in one of the videos:
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x311/burstofanger/cutelen.jpg)
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Oh I pasted the wrong link haha. Here's the link to the actual video
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7333748
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Yeah, saw this the other day.
The Full Moon stuff is very sexy.
^_____^
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H-Moon can do a 5.1k meterless combo on Len starting with 2A. Isn't H-Moon's damage output kind of high?
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H-Moon can do a 5.1k meterless combo on Len starting with 2A. Isn't H-Moon's damage output kind of high?
Half is another generic rushdown character, except her air normals are bad.
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Half has fantastic damage. Everything else about her is horrible.
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7892542
W Len Combo movie!!!
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It's me, I'm the H-White Len main.
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7892542
W Len Combo movie!!!
man I was trying to download that in which I use Google Chrome but I can't...oh well that video was really good, I'm liking F-WLen and C-WLen but for H-WLen, it's true that she does good damage but I'm not so sure about her air normals and such. :-\ :mystery:
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Alright I just google this one its H-WLen but im not sure if anyone saw this one, don't mad at me if you have. :) :psyduck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJecGzf3PJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJecGzf3PJU)
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I'm not sure where this is from, but I found it while surfing nico.
It's some kind of 5 on 5 tourney.
The White Len doesn't appear til around 8:30, but then then rest of the video is basically hers.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11541315
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14075115
At 15:08, we see a H-WLen player come in who actually wins. :psyduck:
EDIT:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14075115
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13976327
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13976465
A week old, but this is a WLen only tournament. Kind of silly, but has some neat mixups.
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They buffed her up in CC didn't they? H's 2C seems to have less recovery, seeing it multiple times in a single combo. I always wondered, why don't people take H-WLen seriously? That 2C looks good.
EDIT: I stand corrected, didn't see properly. Nothing special on that 2C
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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14625258
At around 17:30 C-Wlen does BE214A in the air, which appears to move her lightning fast to the ground.
Also, her EX command throw is now cancellable into 623b, which apparently groundbounces, and is comboable afterwards. I saw a video (can't find it right now) where the player did EX command throw 623b, and then juggled with 2C and 623A, and was able to move the opponent from one corner to the other. Sweet!