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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2009, 05:51:32 PM »
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6277302

F-W Len does a very interesting bnb in the first few seconds of this vid. Seems you can TK j.236c after a 2b for some decent damage. Combo does around 4K damage.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2009, 11:41:29 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkgLgbEAno4&feature=related

SAT playing H wlen.
Seems like H wlen is much better than i thought. she's like mbAC wlen on steroids.

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2009, 05:08:58 PM »
Take a really weird character, take away the weirdness, give her nice stuff in place of it, and you have H-W.Len.

She's pretty nice looking.  I don't know why anybody said she looked bad at any point.  Her crouch is too moe for her to suck.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2009, 06:26:02 AM »
After observing H-W Len, I don't really like her anymore.  :-\ Her moveset is basically that of MBAC W Len's, but with a few small tweaks. (Most of which, are nerfs) Differences I noticed are:

Pros:
-Quicker ground dash
-nice range on new 2C
-addition of 6aa
-new crouch  :fap:

Cons:
-214 a/b/c NERF. Ikimasuwa is gone D=
-completely changed 2a/2b/2c. Loss of old 2c (and 2[c] in particular) kills her ice loop damage. Her 2b is also not as good as the old one.
-j.[c] and j.2[c] seem to be gone... so her zoning is too.
-No more dash cancel mixups

I'd say its pretty safe to assume C-W Len and F-W Len are better grooves by a margin.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2009, 10:13:29 PM »
Fullmoon White Ren stuff

In general, she's a pretty different character from MBAC WRen.  Her air normals are unchanged, so she still has the worst air normals in the game, but her ground normals are a bit better and her new fireballs are ridiculous.  Her damage is pretty low(even with the use of meter), but she is amazing at controlling space and baiting the opponent into doing something dumb.  If she freezes the ground and has an ice pillar out, she can keep out the opponent for a long time with fireballs and thus get a lot of opportunities to charge meter.  Her 2b being 1 hit, and 5b being comboable into fireball solves her old ground range problem.  Also, she has the same illusion dash but she can't dash cancel normals anymore...

NORMALS
5a: Same

2a: Tsundere kick, hits low(I hope)

5b: Slightly better range than old MBAC 5b, other than that it's unchanged

5[ b ]: Same

2b: A million times better than the MBAC 2b.  It's pretty much the same attack except that it hits once now instead of twice, which is amazing.

5c: Same, I think

5[ c ]: Same properties as the old 5c, but it comes out faster I think

2c and 2cc: Same, it feels like 2c travels a bit farther though, but I don't know for sure

4b: Same

All air normals: Same

SPECIALS
236a/b/c: The best fireballs ever.  A version comes out fast but is minus on block, B version is a bit slower but is better on block(maybe advantage?), C version is the EX and is AMAZING, +million on block and hit.  236c gives ample time to run up and combo off of if it hits

214a/b/c: Really odd set of specials.  214a creates the ice pillar, stays out for a long time, good for controlling space.  214b makes her freeze the ground, also good for controlling space.  214c is the ice web EX, this is basically her reversal or her get-off-me move.  Really good EX, once it comes out nothing is gonna stop it.  Don't do it if you think the opponent is gonna dash 2a you though, since they can recover and block fast enough if they weren't mashing

623a/b/c: Kind of like Ren's 623 series but very different properties.  623a does the spinny and can be comboed into, 623b seems a bit slower but can't be comboed into(not too sure), 623c is the EX version and can also be comboed into.  623[ a ] makes her delay the last hit, turning it into an overhead that launches.

22a/b/c: Illusions.  22a is the same as the mbac 22a.  22b makes her do an illusion 623 spin, but she reappears in her original location.  22c is another illusion 623 spin, but she reappears where she would have landed.

j.236a/b/c: Air fireballs, these are also amazing like the ground versions.  j.236a makes her shoot out the fireball at a 45 degree angle downwards, it comes out very fast and she can't do anything until she lands.  j.236b makes her shoot the fireball at the same angle, but the startup is longer and she pauses in the air a bit before firing.  Also, she gets to move in the air again afterwards, so it's kind of like how Warc bloodrings work.  j.236c is the EX fireball that goes at the same angle, this is amazing just like the ground version and is +million on block and hit.  Has good utility in combos

j.214a/b/c: Same as MBAC

COMBOS
2a2b2cc j.bc dj.bc AT
Boring basic combo to use if she doesn't have meter

2a2b4b j.bc dj.bc AT
Another boring combo to use if no meter is available

Corner throw 2ab wait 2abc xx 214a
This only works if she throws the opponent into corner, luckily she can control the direction of that now.  Gets a knockdown and sets up an ice pillar for pressure

5b xx 236a xx 236c
5b was always a good WRen poke, but it couldn't be comboed into anything significant in MBAC.  But not anymore, if she has meter.  After the 236c, she has plenty of time to dash up and do a followup combo.

2a2b2c tk j.236c land j.abc dj.bc AT
A good combo to use when meter is available

I think she also has corner combos involving the 623 wallslams, but I didn't get to play around with those

After an airthrow in aircombos, a good followup is to do airdash landing j.236a.  If timed and spaced right this makes her set up a meaty air fireball, which is +frames on block for her and is also reversal safe.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2009, 11:02:29 PM »
I thought F-WLen's 236 set is that ice spear thing? I don't remember seeing any fireballs from her....
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2009, 12:05:33 AM »
It's just fighting game terminology, 236 is a fireball aka a projectile.  It looks like an ice spear yes
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2009, 03:24:43 AM »
Oh, I see. Melty is my first ever fighting game so I wouldn't really know most of the fighting game terminologies (Had to PM someone to know what DP meant).
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2009, 02:36:31 PM »
Interesting info, thanks Psylocke.

Not about F-W Len's 2c, it moves her forward like her old MBAC 2[c] does.

A few questions I have are...
Does she still have 2[c]?
Did she learn j.2[c] like C-W Len did?
Does she have command throw?
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2009, 03:03:17 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, 2[c] is still in.  It didn't feel like it was any different though

No j.2[c], and I'm not sure about command throw, but the input 63214 didn't give anything, so I don't think she has it
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2009, 10:39:41 PM »
I played F-White Len all day Saturday, she's so much fun.

Stupid question, what do you follow up with after j.214C?

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2009, 05:02:35 PM »
I played F-White Len all day Saturday, she's so much fun.

Stupid question, what do you follow up with after j.214C?

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In MBAC, it's j.bbc throw.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2009, 07:13:31 PM »
Watched some recently C-Wlen videos, she's looking pretty good, she got more tools to make her a solid character.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2009, 06:44:53 AM »
There's some H-W.Ren at the start of the new MBAA Joybox videos.

Okay, fine, her range is nice, but she can't connect a good bnb from half of her range, and 5B 236A isn't much damage.  She hits pretty hard though when she gets a bnb off, definitely harder than C or F-W.Ren, especially for the fact it comes meter free.

But either the H-W.Ren sucks or it's just really hard for her to get a combo off.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2009, 06:39:56 PM »
Watched some recently C-Wlen videos, she's looking pretty good, she got more tools to make her a solid character.
Yeah the little things they added seem to add up to a nice solid character.

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2009, 06:07:51 PM »
Does the twirly thing in full have and invincibility? Or is it just a Slayer-esque hitbox? I see it seem to go through a lot of stuff.
Also does F retain the taunt 22D? Because it might be useful to hide inside icetraps.

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2009, 06:59:59 PM »
Does the twirly thing in full have and invincibility? Or is it just a Slayer-esque hitbox? I see it seem to go through a lot of stuff.
Also does F retain the taunt 22D? Because it might be useful to hide inside icetraps.
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2009, 09:40:39 PM »
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/4576264

White Len combo movie, all moon styles
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2009, 04:17:01 AM »
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/4576264

White Len combo movie, all moon styles

That link brings me to a list of videos and as far as I can tell, they're all MBAC, not MBAA.

Edit: Okay, it's the bottom most video. At least I found this in one of the videos:

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2009, 08:01:41 AM »
Oh I pasted the wrong link haha.  Here's the link to the actual video

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7333748
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2009, 08:50:33 PM »
Yeah, saw this the other day.

The Full Moon stuff is very sexy.

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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2009, 10:52:32 PM »
H-Moon can do a 5.1k meterless combo on Len starting with 2A. Isn't H-Moon's damage output kind of high?
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Re: MBAA White Ren
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2009, 08:56:22 AM »
H-Moon can do a 5.1k meterless combo on Len starting with 2A. Isn't H-Moon's damage output kind of high?
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