Author Topic: Blocking point-blank Akiha / VAkiha / Kouma Arc Drive (Read 10239 times)

Sprint · « **on:** June 14, 2008, 03:48:05 PM »

vs. Akiha / V.Akiha AD
You must be holding one of the following directions before the AD flash:

Character	Direction
Mech	1/2/3/4/5/6
Aoko	1/2/3/4/5
Shiki,Miyako,WLen	1/2/3/4
Nanaya	1/2/3
Satsuki	4/5/6
Sion,Arc,Ciel,Warc,VSion,Len	4

Then, after the flash, hold '4' to stand and block. Akiha will not grab you so you'll safely block the AD.

Notes:
- Only Aoko and WLen can block it in the corner. They must be crouching before the flash.
- With the characters at the bottom of the list, don't try to predict the AD or you'll just eat any low pokes. Just remember that if you just happen to already be holding '4' when Akiha does a point-blank AD, you can just keep holding it to block instead of having to heat-escape.
- Nanaya randomly gets grabbed anyway.
- Ciel can crouchblock after the flash.
- At a certain range, it's possible to trigger the grab sound without actually being grabbed. Crouchblocking with Ciel does it, as does crouching very slightly after the flash ends with some characters.

vs. Kouma's AD
The grab has more range than Akiha, so it doesn't work as easily. In fact it only works with 2 characters:
- Aoko: Crouch before flash (even in the corner).
- Miyako: Must hold '4' pre-flash.

None of the above applies to AADs. Those have a much longer grab range.

Psylocke · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2008, 05:16:36 PM »

Topic came up from a discussion in IRC about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4bww_Y78Jg

Akiha AD is done

Sp00ky · « **Reply #2 on:** June 14, 2008, 06:42:01 PM »

Nice work gentlemen.

Shizuka · « **Reply #3 on:** June 14, 2008, 07:03:02 PM »

+Heat for you!

F9|Chibi · « **Reply #4 on:** June 14, 2008, 10:12:25 PM »

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

<3

Sprint · « **Reply #5 on:** June 15, 2008, 02:37:50 PM »

Best EX counters vs Akiha/VAkiha AD/AAD in the corner:
(Input at the end of the flash. Timing window is 2f)
Sion: 421C(dodges half)
Aoko: ??
Akiha: 41236C(AD)(dodge only)
Shiki: 41236C(AD)(dodge only)
Arc: 236C(dodges half)
Ciel: 236C(direct counter)
Wara: 236C(dodges half)
Warc: ??
Nanaya: 41236C(AD)(dodge only)
VAkiha: 41236C(AD)(dodge only)
Kouma: 22C＼(^o^)／(free BnB)
VSion: ??
Miyako: 236C(dodge + free BnB)
Hisui: 41236C(AD)(dodge + free BnB)
Satsuki: 22B clash 22C(dodges half) or 22B clash 41236C(AD)(dodges most)
Len: 41236C(AD)(takes 2-3 hits, awesome clashing, free BnB)
WLen: 41236C(AD)(takes 2-3 hits, awesome clashing, free BnB)
Nero: 6[6](dodge + free BnB) or 421C(hits her in the back of the head afterwards)
Kohaku: 214C(direct counter)
Neco: 63214C(AD)(direct counter, dizzy)
NAC: 63214C(AD)(direct counter, circuit break)

Ditto vs Kouma AD/AAD (all direct counters unless otherwise stated)
Sion: 623C or 421C
Aoko: 41236C
Akiha: 623C
Shiki: 623C
Arc: 22C or 236C
Ciel: 236C or 214C
Wara: 236C or 623C
Warc: 236C
Nanaya: 623C
VAkiha: 623C
Kouma: 214C or 623C or 22C
VSion: 41236C(AD)
Miyako: 22C or 623C or 236C or 214C
Hisui: 41236C(AD)
Satsuki: 41236C(AD) or 214C(evenly trades hits)
Len: 41236C(AD)(trades in Kouma's favour, but gives you free pressure afterwards)
WLen: 214C
Nero: 6[6](dodge only) or 61234C
Kohaku: 214C(dodge only)
Mech: 22C
Neco: 63214C(AD) or 41236(AD)
NAC: 63214C(AD) or 41236(AD)

COD3player · « **Reply #6 on:** June 15, 2008, 03:31:47 PM »

Excellent discovery. This information really made my day.

Chie Satonaka · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2008, 03:36:25 PM »

Too good

Merrubi · « **Reply #8 on:** June 15, 2008, 03:55:07 PM »

I hate this information. ='<

tenkai# · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2008, 05:16:09 PM »

So much for devastating tick throw setups.

Alfonse · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2008, 07:38:17 AM »

Damn this exploit!

Pfhor · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2008, 11:55:26 AM »

Quote from: Sprint on June 15, 2008, 02:37:50 PM

Ditto vs Kouma AD/AAD (all direct counters unless otherwise stated)
Sion: 623C or 421C
Aoko: 41236C(AD)
Akiha: 623C
Shiki: 623C
Arc: 22C
Ciel: 236C or 214C
Wara: 236C or 623C
Warc: 236C
Nanaya: 623C
VAkiha: 623C
Kouma: 214C or 623C or 22C
VSion: 41236C(AD)
Miyako: 22C or 623C or 236C or 214C
Hisui: 41236C(AD)
Satsuki: 41236C(AD) or 214C(evenly trades hits)
Len: 41236C(AD)(trades in Kouma's favour, but gives you free pressure afterwards)
WLen: 214C
Nero: 61234C
Kohaku: 214C(dodge only)
Mech: 22C
Neco: 63214C(AD) or 41236(AD)
NAC: 63214C(AD) or 41236(AD)

Did you try any of these out vs his AAD? I'm pretty sure it grabs during the superflash and doesn't let you input anything.

Also another universal counter to his AD is simply heat after superflash.

Sprint · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2008, 04:05:12 PM »

0f after flash : Can't do anything before it hits.
1f after flash : Can block if you weren't already, but nothing else.
2f after flash : 1f timing window to perform a move.
3f after flash : 2f window.
...etc.

Akiha AD/AAD and Kouma AD/AAD all have 3f after the flash before they hit.

The only moves that you can't Heat/EX after the flash are:
- Satsuki 6216C (0f)
- Nanaya 623C (1f)
- Ciel 22C (1f - incorrectly listed as 2f on the wiki)
- WLen AAD (1f)
- Various LAs

Also yes, Heat is an option vs Kouma, but that's boring

...especially if you're using a character that can EX through it for a shitload of free damage and an okizeme. I'm more interested in ways to smash right through things than to merely escape them

littlebro · « **Reply #13 on:** June 17, 2008, 08:11:52 AM »

For Arc, you can use 236C on Akiha. But you still take around 1700-2000 (6-7 hits). 22C clash frames mess things up. You can completely dodge with AD but the long recovery allows for tasty punish.

Sprint · « **Reply #14 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:35:52 PM »

Yeah, same goes for Aoko AD (first beam misses, and Akiha can shield the second one for a free punish).

A lot of characters can also slightly reduce the damage with their non-EX 'Shoryuken' move, using the short startup invincibility to avoid the more damaging grab.

ehrik · « **Reply #15 on:** August 26, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »

I was able to do the point blank dodge with Wara somehow.

I have a match replay, I dodged it by jumping (The catching noise DID come out, so its not like I jumped beforehand to dodge it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3QZHalCpuI

(Didn't want to up a replay of the entire match so I just cut it out)

edit: oops still processing. Well it'll be done soon >_>

Sprint · « **Reply #16 on:** August 28, 2008, 11:54:18 AM »

You didn't dodge it.

Quote from: Sprint

At a certain range, it's possible to trigger the grab sound without actually being grabbed.

Basically, Akiha was at this range when she performed the move. You wouldn't have been grabbed even if you'd just stood there.

ehrik · « **Reply #17 on:** August 28, 2008, 02:01:44 PM »

Aw oh well. Good to have that cleared up though, thanks sprint.

pulsr · « **Reply #18 on:** August 30, 2008, 02:39:03 AM »

with white len i can just dash forward =/

Sprint · « **Reply #19 on:** September 13, 2008, 02:15:58 PM »

No. Try it from a standing position and you'll find that you get grabbed every single time.

The reason it appears to work is because you're crouching before Akiha performs the AD, and WLen can avoid it simply by standing up from a crouching position. The dash just puts you on the other side after the AD has already missed, putting you in position for a more damaging BnB, but also coming with a slight risk that you'll get hit on the way past.

Practically, you're probably better off just holding [4] to block it and then throwing 623A for a free and easy combo. Once you've punished it a few times they shouldn't be so eager to try it.

GameKyuubi · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2009, 05:00:21 AM »

Does anyone know if this was changed in AA?

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Author Topic: Blocking point-blank Akiha / VAkiha / Kouma Arc Drive (Read 10239 times)