MBAA Capture Guidebook/Framedata | SCANS COMPLETE (KIND OF?)

[Arlieth Tralare]

Attention all Frame-Data peoples:

In order to make it easier to post and to save on valuable screen space, I've made a list of suggested abbreviations that have been used on Half-Moon Len's framedata.

http://www.meltybread.com/meltywiki/len/half-moon-len/

Please use this as a general template for posting frame-data. It's not formatted nicely, but I changed some notation and added spaces after every comma so that the table could add new lines for cells that had lots of crap in them.

Also note that the top headers for the data have been changed or abbreviated.

Advantage -> Adv
VS Damage -> Chip
Guard Damage -> Crush  (think of Guard Crush)
Damage Correction -> Prorate
Notes -> *

NOTE: For pages with Frame Data tables, there is a specialized template marked as "Frame Data" that will delete the sidebar from the page. Do NOT use "Default Template" for pages like this or the table will spill over and look derpy.

Active Frame, Formula Notation:
10*2(5), 5

• 10 frame active
• x2 multiplier
• (5) frame gap
• ,    <-- Commas mark a break between hits, ADD A SPACE AFTER EACH COMMA!
• 5 frame active <-- the last hit

Adding the comma with a space afterwards for long formulas is absolutely necessary to prevent the table from overflowing. Please remember this! Also, the same sort of notation is used for damage (multipliers, commas).

Recovery Notation
Shorter is sweeter! Just use the word "Land" instead of when landing, etc.

Advantage Notation

• (D): Down, like a knockdown.
• (L): Launch.
• (S): Slam, aka Wallslam.

Guard Notation

• (H): High Block.
• (L): Low Block.
• (A): Air Block.
• All: All Block

Cancel Notation

• C: Chain into itself.
• R: Reverse Beat.
• J: Jump Cancel.
• S: Special Cancel.
• EX: EX Cancel.
• H: Heat Cancel  <-- easier to use H than I, it's more visible from an editorial standpoint

Prorate
For "Multipliers", enclose them in brackets.

http://www.meltybread.com/forums/index.php?topic=2296.msg53474;topicseen#msg53474[/list]

[LoliSauce]

You're missing two things. 

Guard: All
Cancel: IH (heat cancel, frame data lists it as "I")

[Arlieth Tralare]

Ugh, I forgot about Heat Cancels. Thanks.

[LoliSauce]

No prob.  And good point on H > I.  I agree that H is better.

[amn]

Crescent Nero somewhat done. I´ve ordered the book since I had problems seeing the numbers/text in the scans. Will correct once it arrives. Excel sheet up in Nero character section.

Edit:
Oh yeah, VS damage should be the red bar "behind" your normal HP

Edit2:
Nero full moon done. Notes comming later though.

[LoliSauce]

Well, because of dumb circumstances, I'm gonna need someone to help me out with transferring the MBAA frame data to excel to convert to tables for the wiki.  So far I have Miyako all forms completely done and ready to be copy+pasted in, and I'm fixing Reis and Roa all forms so that they match with Arly's format.  I'll be uploading them prolly tonight.

Any volunteers would be greatly appreciated.

[Ultima66]

We should keep doing what we always do and have people ask about framedata then make me look it up for them

[LoliSauce]

Irysa, does c Miyako have a j.22?  According to her frame data, that's what it looks like...but that just kind of confuses me. 

Anyway, here's the txt files for Reis, Roa, and Miyako.  They look gross and unorganized, but they're actually set up so that all you have to do is copy and paste them into excel, then just use the table converter macro.

A couple notes:
-There's still a couple kanji that I don't know floating around (mainly in Roa's data), so I just put question marks in place of them. 
-I'm not sure how to list the frame data for the H/F moon shield counter, since it's not multiple hits.  From what I can tell it looks like it's different things based on the state of the enemy.  Same goes for Miyako's 214 dokan punches, and maybe some others that I'm forgetting.  Should they be separated by commas as if they were multiple hits?  That might be confusing for people.  Maybe I should just separate them into three different rows or some shit?  I dunno. 
-There might be some weird errors here and there, since I originally had it formatted differently before Arly set the standard.  I think I got them all fixed right, but there's still the chance I missed something or mistyped somewhere.
-I figured out Miyako's movelist just by what I know of her frame data and move names, so I may have some input incorrect.
-H Roa's 236c and 214c have their active frames listed in **1 and **2 at the very very bottom of his txt file.  They're way too long to actually put into the active frames column.  lol

[amn]

Been busy lately but I should hopefully have the time to finish all of Nero by the end of next week. On another note, I am getting very confused as of what people are working on, and by that I mean complete framedata translation(and whatnot for the wiki etc) including notes and not just transcribing move inputs/numbers (progress post/thread maybe?). If just notes are missing, me or someone else could take that? It would save a lot of trouble if all the numbers are already in a document already since that part is kind of boring to do.

LoliSauce:
Try finding character wiki entries (if possible) for induvidual characters if you aren´t sure about move inputs, having the book also helps since it apparently has pictures with inputs and the move in question displayed. Nice work so far though!
As for questionmarks on Roa:

*Crescent 214A etc where your questionmarks are indicates additional inputs (such as activating certain things, I don´t know Roa at all so I don´t know what it triggers, possibly projectile activation as Aoko can do with certain orbs and Ren can do with reflectors?)

*294 (thir column, 22A hold) Largest (possibly maximum or greatest)

*Stock 9, and 7/8/9 says "note".

*22C b3 a3 is "strike" or "hit" and so on, b6 and b6 a1 etc is the same

*Last arc: Kanji means negative/non etc, but this refers to unblackable

* On Full moon airthrow it says "drop" or "fall"

*623A same thing as above...same with the two "?" below

*Again, unblockable on last arc

*Half moon again, fall/drop

[Irysa]

she does have a j22 series

sorry for the really late reply. I'm fucking useless and lazy, I'll do more tomorrow, I swear. 

[LoliSauce]

It's cool man, don't sweat it.  I'm not exactly getting them done like grease lightning or some shit either.  

Anyway, here's Sion's stuff.  As usual, there's some shit that I left as questionmarks, cuz I couldn't remember or didn't know what the kanji meant.  Amn, if you haven't already pointed them out yet, give it a look and lemme know what they are.

[Irysa]

"tomorrow" means, 3 days later.


really.

http://bokunenjin.se/irysa/miyakoframes.txt
http://bokunenjin.se/irysa/Maidframes.txt
http://bokunenjin.se/irysa/Tohnoframes.txt

[amn]

Ok, didn´t finish it, was out of town. Comming back in August, dunno if I´ll have time to finish what I said until then, possibly during this week, but yeah. I would like to have your excel/whatever file if you need something checked later on (and if you actually use it) since they probably are easier to read.

[LoliSauce]

Ok, didn´t finish it, was out of town. Comming back in August, dunno if I´ll have time to finish what I said until then, possibly during this week, but yeah. I would like to have your excel/whatever file if you need something checked later on (and if you actually use it) since they probably are easier to read.

No prob.  Right now I need someone to just copy+paste them into excel and repost them for me, since I didn't know that my bro's copy is an expired trial version until recently.

[motoh]

Is this what you're after, Lsauce?  I could do this really quickly this week.

~M

[LoliSauce]

Is this what you're after, Lsauce?  I could do this really quickly this week.

~M

Yeah, that's the first step.  Next I'll need someone to use those excel docs with the exporter to get them up on the wiki nice and easy.  From there, editing is easy.

I'd really appreciate it if you could put em up in excel for me as I finish them.

[LoliSauce]

Irysa, I got a guidebook now.  You won't need to post up move notation for me anymore (unless others want it, but it looks like I'm the only one doing anything with the frame data).

[amn]

I´ll be back next week and then I´ll be able to complete what I started > start something new. Don´t have anything I can work with with me, not that I have the time but yeah, you´re not alone! >_>

[Irysa]

Cool now I can be useless without feeling guilty

 

[LoliSauce]

I´ll be back next week and then I´ll be able to complete what I started > start something new. Don´t have anything I can work with with me, not that I have the time but yeah, you´re not alone! >_>

Sorry amn, I didn't mean to forget about you.  You've been the only one besides me that's put in a significant amount of work.  I really appreciate it!

[AARP|ZTB]

Someone please sticky this fucking thread already.

[Lolly]

better yet, someone help wikify the rest of the data. I hear that Kohaku page has a nice template.

[AARP|ZTB]

I vote this as best thread on forum. seriously top notch.

[WYVERN LORD]

Is most of the frame data from the arcade version applicable to PS2?

[AARP|ZTB]

verA > ps2? Yup. You can use frameviewer to confirm most of the data.